/lit/ - Literature

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

Anyone know what book inspired the 'WHAT WAS WILL BE' story in Stellaris? I wanna fucking read it.

>ask for book with sex, banned
>spam bakker for years, untouched

>black and/or female writer
I do not read that book.

Bakker is the blinding light
That devours darkness with might
The one that gives you clear sight
The bringer of day in the darkest night

What's the Appendix N for Sci-Fi books anyway?

>>19889675
What's the sci-fi version of D&D?

>>19889725
gurps, used by erikson and bakker

>>19889507
>Bakker is the blinding light
>That devours darkness with might
>The one that gives you clear sight
>The bringer of day in the darkest night
With them no one dares to start a fight
Cause Bakkerchads fill them with fright
Like Bakker no one knows how to write
Toward him they are full of jealous spite

>>19889786
Really goes a long way to explain why their shit sucks.
t. GURPS player

If you are new to /sffg/ we recommend Bakker, start with The Darkness That Comes Before, come back to discuss, then keep reading the Prince Of Nothing series, after that you are officially one of us!

If you don't like it, go to goodreads and write an embarrassing review so we can have a good laugh.

>>19889400

>>19889400
The number would be about the same.

>>19889917
Read Dune instead. It fails trying to be like Herbert in a cringe way.

>The sword light was shining, dozens of big trees within a radius of 100 meters were chopped into three by three sword shadows, the tree body soared, the leaves withered, and the picture was quite magnificent!

> As these big trees fell to the ground, billowing dust rose up.

> So overbearing!

Uh hello authors, you don't need to kill trees...

I joined your Goodreads club and half of the people are bronies, probably the bakkerfags

>>19889276
lol no
they are all words from lotr that I don't understand
swear to god i'm leaving this book with a dictionary's worth of geology knowledge

>>19888597
>mfw Felix goes all out in the end

>>19889408
So, The Darkness That Comes Before is going to be part of 2022 reading challenge?

>>19890042
What the fuck are you on about? Your screenshot doesn't show any words.

>>19890078
Apart from hummock, I mean. Only a degenerate number of tabs. Don't use google translate. It's shit.

>>19889675
A few of those authors also influence sci-fi, like Jack Vance, Edgar Rice Burroughs, I'd guess authors like Jules Verne or H.G. Wells would be on the list. Maybe series like Dumarest by E. C. Tubb.

hehe
I have a book 4 goodie to post when I feel like hooking my kindle up to my computer and grabbing the bookmark

when was the last time you got your hands on actual kino?

>>19890125
No one gives a fuck, schizo. Stop spamming every thread with this shit.

>>19890145
Thanks for the bump, 2016+ newfag.

>>19890142
Unironically

>>19889812
>>19889507
bakkerfaggots can only manage elementary school attempts at poetry, not surprising anyone at all.

>>19890155
is that the story with mana stones, pretty girl thief and the guy carrying bridges over the grand canyon?
god that shit was depressing and way too long

>>19890166
The only reference I didn't get was the mana stones one.

>>19890166
You mean this?
No, by a long shot.

Every book where the protagonist is a dark overlord is a bit childish/satire. The overlord is weak, a pushover and soaked in onions. Perhaps they are leading an army of monsters. But there will be no fun stuff like raping and killing innocents.

The closest I've come to this is Nagash from Warhammer. But he loses at the end.

>>19890142
Kek that lil smirk

>>19889408
Read "A Shadow in Summer" by Daniel (((Abraham)))

Should I read this book? Or is this a trap?

>>19890317
I can smell this picture. Its not unpleasant.

>>19890317
Obvious bait is obvious bait.

>>19890317
WHO

>>19890352
Cope, chud.

>>19890357
You seem to have me confused with one of the other shitposters.
But such low level cognitive capability is to be expected of bakker faggots.

>>19890388
>Replying to bait

>>19890399
He didn't deny that he was a shitposter, just that he wasn't one of the others so it's not as if he was going to submit anything of quality or note.

>>19890399
Such is the level of the brainlets around here. No wonder /sffg/ hasn't died yet.

Bakker posters just repeat the same posts. Their brain is too small for quality bait. What you anons reading? Book 2 Gentleman Bastards by Scott Lynch here.

>>19890463
Nice blogpost.

>>19890463
Been bouncing between reading the Armored short story anthology, and Krzhizahanovsky's Autobiography Of A Corpse. Enjoying both.

are we being raided by americans again?

>>19890353
Some random Bakkerchad.

Are there any great wuxia books which can be considered classics except Journey to the West?
I've read Reverend Insanity and it was a blast, however I couldn't care less about other webnovels.

I have just finished reading this trilogy. It was the longest tragedy/cautionary tale I have ever read. I went into it without any prior knowledge so I was expecting a very different kind of story until about the first book's halfway point, and I wasn't initially on board with it, but in the end the three books come together very nicely.

But oh man, if the third book's story came in some kind of serialized format, for example a tv series, the shipper meltdown at the end would have been something spectacular. A shame this will now never happen.

Discuss. Simple as.

>>19890777
>I was thinking it was like a big video game, except I was on the screen. Or virtual reality maybe. I sort of felt my head for the gear, but there was not any.
Wolfe wrote isekai gamelit. It's a confirmed kino genre.

>>19890317
stop posting my boobs PLEASE.
i reject b*kker, i reject s*t*n, i reject materialism, i have accepted christ.
stop reading and posting about rsb’s onanistic drivel. read tolkien and repent, yes, even (You), wretched sinner, still may be saved from eternal fire by our saviour’s divine grace.

>>19890777
is there one that is not sight up power fantasy

>>19890941
post timestamp titties or no conversions today.
it's okay if you do it for jesus.

>>19890777
I liked Legend of the Arch Magus. Do you know if any books are being published this year?

Why the fuck doesn't E William Brown publish?
Is he taking notes from Rothfuss, GRRm and Lynch of how NOT to be an author?

>>19890978
I am rereading it for the third time and getting a kick out of it
>girl who can kick your ass confronts you for beating up her brother
>ask her how she can be sure she got the right guy
>offer to lead her to the right guy
>right guy is you but now you're within a zone where kicking a student's ass is illegal and considered shamefur dispray
>taunt her so she leaves her retarded lackey to kick your ass instead
>kill lackey, pack him up in a box and leave at back door

>>19891010
Hehe, he kept half of the corpse in case they didn't get the message.

What happened to Jim Butcher?

>>19891092
Got Butcher'd ;)

What should I read if picrel are my favorite authors?

>>19891204
>literotica.com/c/gay-sex-stories

>>19891218
How do you know so many gay websites? Does your boyfriend know you read those?

>>19891249
that's just your section of that website.
I'm a man of culture, i only read the non-consent stories.

>>19891249
I often browse bakker subreddit

>>19891262
Does Bakker have a sub-reddit?

>>19891268
Yes, but it's worse than this place for discussing his books.

>>19891262
I thought that Bakker was a misogynist. If there really are gay themes in his books, I might unironically give it a try.

>>19891281
Of course the bakkerfags are literally r/trash

>>19891303
All reddit fan clubs are trash, pal.

>>19891296
what higher form of misogyny is there than denying women power of male sexuality?
and the whole thing where he had to make the women's school of magic for them, they weren't stronk and indepenent enough to do that for themselves, they needed a handout from a man.

>>19891296
Based.

It's an amazing story. You should give it a try. He really tackles homosexuality's struggles in a really intense and dramatic way.

>>19891309
Not him, but that was an obvious critic on the patriarchy.

>>19891325
This desu.
>>19891296
Bakker is a pretty progressive guy.

>>19891332
>>19891325
>>19891318
Sounds good enough for me.
I will start it soon and update you on my progress ;)

>>19891325
>a dumb liberal progressive criticising sane, normal behaviour.
Nothing to see, move along

>>19891325
*critique or *criticism
bakkerfags showing off is sad.

>>19891364
Yes, I'm an ESL. Good luck trying to shame me, chud. Won't work.

>>19891360
Based.

Truth SHINES!

>>19891374
>Yes, I'm an ESL
Looks like you're a ways away from correctly interpreting nuance on the level of your claim then.

>>19891387
Your grammar is not correct either. Your sentence is missing commas.
And for the record, I didn't read his books in English. So your argument is invalid.

Don't be so hateful, please. Makes you look unnecessarily silly.

>>19891325
I saw his Q&A as well. He was indeed flabbergasted by some people's responses to the misogyny in the books.
I guess that's to be expected from Low IQs, though.

>>19891204
Hard to say, really.

I would say the Malazan, but that's very debatable.

>>19889408
Why must we ruin Bloodborne by associating it with (((((genre fiction))))

>>19891447
>>>/v/

>>19891402
>Your sentence is missing commas.
Yeah but the difference between you and I is that I drop those out of the ignorance of familiarity.

>>19891387
>interpreting nuance
Not him but interpreting nuance is for faggots, I only deal in absolutes.

>>19891533
Based Thousandfoldthought chad.

Okay, explain this bakkerfaggots:
>If all human events possess purpose, then all human deeds possess purpose. And yet when men vie with men, the purpose of no man comes to fruition: the result always falls somewhere in between. The purpose of deeds, then, cannot derive from the purposes of men, because all men vie with all men. This means the deeds of men must be willed by something other than men. From this it follows that we are all slaves. Who then is our Master?

>>19891569
Explain what?

>>19891573
You don't get either huh? Figured.

>Gets filtered.
>Starts projecting.
Many such cases.

>>19891595
>>19891569
If you don't understand that simple paragraph, then there truly is no hope for you.

>>19891533
Yeah but then you probably aren't offended by the notion that women /need/ men to build nice things for them.

>>19891595
You didn't answer my question.

Explain WHAT exactly? Which parts don't you understand? You are fluent in English, no?

>>19891607
So you can't explain it. Ok.

>>19891616
It's a 50 word quote. There's nothing to specify. You seem more confused than me.

>>19891617
No, not really. It's you who can't understand it.

>>19891617
You really think we are your brainlet friends? You think reverse psychology will work on us?

>>19891630
You can't prove you understand either. Otherwise you would have explained it.

>>19891625
Quote from who? And where? Are expecting me to explain a 50 word quote from some random author? Can't you read?

>>19891625
because it's just more masturbating with words, it sounds good but it's rather meaningless.
the man doesn't understand compromise and natural selection I guess.

>>19891636
>Otherwise you would have explained it.
Oh... pffff AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>19891639
The post clearly asks bakkerfaggots to explain it. If you don't know then it wasn't directed at you. Stop asking me to elaborate.

>>19891653
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>19891636
Not my problem, unironically

The Unholy Consult gave me the blessing of the atomic Christpill and I would hope to offer it to you too Anon.

>>19891664
Then why reply?

>>19891613
Frankly I don't care about that.

>>19891656
I was trying to be nice. But what exactly is a "Bakkerfaggot" in your eyes, if we are to delve into etymology? Anyone who has read Bakker? Because I certainly have, but I'm not here sucking his cock or obsessing over him like you are.

You don't need to be so defensive. If you can't elaborate, then why should anyone bother with you? We don't even know where you got that quote from, or if it's even a real quote at all.

>>19891687
>Quote from who? And where? Are expecting me to explain a 50 word quote from some random author?
If you were a bakkernigger you would already know this. You're just asking petty questions.

>>19891636
Non sequitur.

Big word, right? I will wait for you to google it.

>>19891661
Not my problem.

>>19891701
Who are you quoting, retard? Are you that aggravated that you can't even quote properly when people call on your bullshit bait?

>>19891711
Good. That makes 2.
>>19891702
I don't care. Arguing won't hide your hide the fact you clearly don't understand it either.

>>19891569
I'm guessing none of the people baiting you in replies have even read bakker.

It's a short, vague, obscure and probably fallacious philosophical argument. It's meant to hint that maybe the gods control events in the world, and not men (there will be more on this later in the books.)

Remember that it's a quote from the ancient sage Memgowa, not Bakker. So the holes in the argument aren't attributrable to Bakker. He's imitating ancient philosophy.

>>19891723
Your previous post. Did you lose track this quickly?

>>19891732
>won't hide your hide the fact
Oh, you're tilted now.

>>19891733
>I'm guessing none of the people baiting you in replies have even read bakker.
Thought so. Thanks.

>>19891739
>u mad!
Ok.

>>19891701
>You're just asking petty questions.
Don't listen to him, he is trying to use deception and misdirection because he is a bakkertranny.

you guys are really not very intelligent, are you? (You) kind of make outer/lit/ look like geniuses in comparison i must admit

>>19891732
>I don't care.
Neither do I.

Accept defeat.

>>19891754
>Accept defeat
Why? I've proven we both don't understand. As was my intention.

>>19891569
This is shit bait. You were miss-quoting the same author yesterday on purpose. And people called you on your bullshit.

Stop destroying /sffg/.

>>19891760
>miss quoting
What a strange cope. This is copy pasted. Go check yourself.

>Go check yourself.
The absolute state of this general.

>>19890399
The vast majority of the autistic bakkerposting is from one retard seething about it and falseflagging. The unpozzedness shit and the bad poetry are also him.

>>19891771
>the bad poetry are also him.
I wish I could take credit for that, but no, the bakkerfaggots really are that terrible.

>>19890777
The Library of Mount Char and Choice of Magic is not isekai nor gamelit.

>>19891673
I would have thought the later TSA books would slightly inoculate one against religions with eternal conscious torment. They really rub your face in what hell actually implies.

It's a classic antireligious debate tactic, a way to make religious people squirm and change the subject. I think it's even partly intended that way by Bakker, who grew up with fundamentalist Christianity.

But you're still gonna say that yes, all that is good and correct. It's right that most people who have died are shrieking in hell, there will be no end to their eating, etc. And your mom does deserve to be raped to the being, decanted into screams, etc.

>>19891733
>Spoon-feeding the shit-poster
Don't complain about the sate of /sffg/.

>>19891806
Nah you can tell its the same guy who was going on about unpozzedness and sjw. Before that he was talking about anal honey.

Its literally just unremitting seethe over Bakker being discussed and other stuff being shit on.

>>19891818
>/I/ wish /I/ could take credit for that
Read it again and let it sink in...

>>19891204
The fact that no one can answer this simple question is a testament on why mostly only those 4 titans are discussed here.

>Inb4 RI
>Inb4 Craddle
This is a literature board.

>>19891859
>no one can answer
It was answered immediately.

>>19891859
Is RI not literature? What is it then?

Hey bros, haven't read a book in years. Do I need to know anything before starting? Can I really just go for it?

>>19891893
If you can read, you're good to go.

>>19891900
Should I read physical or on screen? I have the option to go to my local library and borrow one. What do you guys do?

>>19891904
Don't read on a screen unless you have an e-reader, buddy. Otherwise it doesn't really matter.

>>19891816
A few days ago he posted asking about a chapter opening quote from TWP chapter 9. The current quote was from TWP chapter 11. That proves he's reading the book.

More people should be discussing the actual contents of Bakker's books instead of meta shitposting.

>>19891911
Why? I read on my phone. Is that bad?

>>19891930
not that anon but I just can't really stand staring at a small bright screen for hours. If the e-reader is those electronic ink ones it sort of feels more natural to read

>>19891920
Where he purposefully miss-quoted him? Yeah, I remember that too.

>>19891934
The advantage is not the ink itself, it's both the reflected light and the ink not emitting pixelated light directly to your eyes. It's like looking at an actual book page.

>>19891930
the stories stick in your head better when you read a physical book.
I do read plenty on my pc because pdfs are free and easy to find, but I go out of my way to get a physical copy of anything I really enjoy.

>>19891944
yes, that's what I meant when I said it felt more natural to read. I don't like that the newer Kindle is purely touch screen though, the old Kindle I was using had buttons to flip the page but it broke

>the stories stick in your head better when you read a physical book.
What did he mean by this?

>>19891961
The new Oasis doesn't have flip buttons?

>>19891961
>had buttons to flip the page but it broke
Your next book should be a how-to on soldering.

>>19891904
Well, looks like my library doesn't have book of the new sun or the way of kings, so I'm going with Dune

>>19891970
oh, I guess a newer model came out, I got my current one in 2019 or 2020 or so.
>>19891973
sounds like a good idea

>>19891983
Put in a request.

>>19891904
>Should I read physical or on screen?
Why not both?
Get an e-ink device. You will have something physical to hold in your hands, and a screen to read on.

>>19891983
Can't go wrong with Dune. Enjoy.

>>19891983
Read Cradle

>>19891939
It's mildly suspicious but could easily have been accidental.

Are machine translated Chinese web novels about traveller's and signing in while they cultivate low key to immortality literature?

>somehow, Shadow of the Torturer won my book club's vote

I hope this goes well, I read the first 10 or so chapters and then had to stop because Dune took up all of my free time. Anything special I should do as the organizer?

>>19892040
>about traveller's and signing in
What?

But I guess the answer is yes. The more important question is why no western authors ever write about mc cultivating to immortality?

>>19892088
Isekai, and signing in is a terrible form of system where the protag is magically given everything he needs for completing a simple task or simply being in a unique location

>>19892088
>The more important question is why no western authors ever write about mc cultivating to immortality?
I've read a few self-published stuff like that but it was all smut though

>>19891813
NTA, nor even a Christian, but I wanted to say your representation of Hell seems overly simplistic or even patently false for many varietes of Christianity, such as Mormonism for example.

>>19891813
typical b*kker brainlet, the meaning of my post was completely lost on you apparently. read something other than backwoods canadian edgelord phd dropouts for once

>>19892120
>nor even a Christian
NTA as well, but we can tell. Because you don't know what the bible says about hell, apparently.

What are some good fantasy series which don't feel like they were written by DM's or TTRPG players?
I hate raymond e feist

>>19892153
The Holy Bible.

>>19891673
What do you mean? I'm a Christian but haven't read any Bakker yet.

>>19891813
You're conflating Dante's Inferno as something more than fantasy. Hell is oblivion, nothingness. It's honestly "exactly" what an atheist believes will happen when they die. The horrors of hell comes from someone who loves God and views eternal separation from him as eternal torment. But if you don't love or have any interest in God, heaven would be akin to a fiery hell.

>Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going. - Ecclesiastes 9:10

>>19892169
>What do you mean? I'm a Christian but haven't read any Bakker yet.
Nom him, but I would advise you to not ask those questions if you intend to read Bakker. It would spoil the fun

>>19892097
Signing in thing was early SAO stuff. Most isekais these days just reincarnate their mc into new world after death

>>19892153
Not possible.

I just want to self insert as a weak guy who makes friends and gets stronger and goes on adventures yes I've read cradle help me out please

>>19892217
Naruto, One Piece, Bleach.
Pick your poison.

But if you really hate yourself read the Wheel of Time

>>19889408
Ok fags, I’m giving you ONE (1) opportunity to recommend me epic dark low fantasy. Don’t fuck this up

>>19892217
>I read Cradle
You have to read Reverend Insanity next.

>>19892153
From the top of my head - Gormenghast

>>19892251

>>19892266
I don't like american literature, got anything else?

>>19892273
Nice false flag loser

>>19892273
Read bakker

>>19892286
I’m not a faggot.

>>19892286
You should always read bakker but he is the opposite of low fantasy.

Literally
> Low fantasy, or intrusion fantasy, is a subgenre of fantasy fiction in which magical events intrude on an otherwise-normal world.

Meanwhile on Earwa, normality tries to intrude into an otherwise-natural world.

>>19892266
>This book unironically exists.
>>19892273
Bakker is Canadian.

>>19892302
> Meanwhile on Earwa, normality tries to intrude into an otherwise-natural world.
otherwise-magical, I mean

Earwa is magical, the Inchoroi are trying to make it normal.

>>19892266
>it’s real
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41461786-black-future

>>19892289
Is this your gag-reflex working?

>>19892308
There is definitely nothing normal about it or tranny bakker.

>>19892310
>>19892307
Everything about that book is depressing.

>>19892319
That incel has been losing steam lately. I will give him one more week.

>>19892169
> You're conflating Dante's Inferno as something more than fantasy. Hell is oblivion, nothingness. It's honestly "exactly" what an atheist believes will happen when they die.

That's one view, but most Christians throughout history have believed in eternal conscious torment, and many continue to do so. For example

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/j-i-packer-on-why-annihilationism-is-wrong/
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/yes-hell-is-real-and-eternal

>>19892289
Well, I am. But I don't remember asking.

>>19892310
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43202366-thugs-breed-my-bratty-daughter
Nice. So this is definitely a tranny.

>>19892199
Oh well I hadn't seen them until recently when lots started popping up on translation sites

Thoughts on this book? Getting Bakker vibes, thought I might check it out.

>>19892397
Female cock is KINO.

>>19892397
wtf? it has an aduiobook?

>>19892397
>(JOB)
kek'd
>>19892413
KDP erotica getting audiobooks is very common. handsfree reading is popular for obvious reasons

>>19892087
Encourage people to discuss their interpretations.

bakker

>>19892251
Conan

What you faggets reading?
I got that time loop book that dropped today.

>>19892533
If I told you, I would derail the thread.

>>19892550
Thread was derailed from the start.

>Thread was derailed from the start.

>>19892562
Holy KEK

>>19892533
Name it

t. time loop enjoyer (as long as it's not excessively cringe and fetishistic fanfiction)

>>19892562

Bakker chads truly have the best memes.

>>19892533
speaking of time loop stories, how does one write a story where the antagonist is a time looper and is defeated with reasoning beyond "he ran out of loops"?

>>19892533
which time loop book that dropped today

>>19892579
https://www.amazon.com/False-Ascendant-Progression-Fantasy-Menocht-ebook/dp/B09MCCV5P2

>>19891893
Download books (https://z-lib.org/)) and buy a Kobo for buttons/paperwhite and live like a king.

>>19892087
>Anything special I should do as the organizer?
I can't even imagine a BOTNS read along - probably be ready for a lot of "wtf did we just read". I think just go in willing to look stupid and learn something new - it's a great book to throw wild theories around on.

>>19892533
I'm not reading much right now since I'm busy writing. Last sff I read was the Silmarillion, my second read through, truly great.

Don't promote piracy, lads. Our genre is already in the gutter as is.

>>19892533
reading aeronaut's windlass after seeing someone mention it a week or so ago
i like it

>>19892617
Which book did you publish, anon-kun?
Was it the rabbit one?

>>19892533
Rereading Lyonesse. So comfy.

>>19892639
I'm not an author. But even if I was, I would be so shit that no one would download my books, much less buy them. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, though.

>>19892533
Just started the Darkness that Comes Before I'm this(>>19891360) anon.

>>19892533
Just picked this up. It's almost certainly going to be godawful, but I don't really care.

>>19892617
>paying for shit books
Nah. Pirate ebook -> buy ebook if I like it -> buy hardcover if i really like it and the cover art is at least passable
And no matter if you like it or not, never buy a book whose author is dead. Fuck publishers and fuck (((estates)))

>>19892513
Yeah, that's kind of what we did when we read Dune. It was a lot of "what do you think he meant by this?" and pointing out Biblical and other literary references.

>>19892600
Not knowing much about the story beyond "rereads are valuable, and the story answers questions long before they're asked" that's kind of what I'm expecting. I have it set up so the first reading ends at Severian's exile. I found some google page for someone else's book club from r*ddit that has chapter summaries, chapter questions, and includes some definitions for some of the terminology Wolfe uses. Please tell me if you think this is worth using beyond the dictionary.

https://sites.google.com/view/bcotns/chapter-1?authuser=0

>>19892659
>never buy a book whose author is dead.
I got no problem with secondhand bookstores.

>>19892533
Much better than the first book.

>>19892659
>And no matter if you like it or not, never buy a book whose author is dead.
Translators need to pay the rent too.

>>19892617
If I were an author and people were pirating my books, it meant they were reading them, and through word of mouth I might make more sales. I don’t see it as any worse than borrowing the book from a friend or buying it second-hand, the author gets no royalties from used books.

That said, I only pirate books if the author is dead or if it's already such a popular book it doesn't matter.

>>19892710
I only pirate books if they're insanely overpriced. My absolute limit for new books is $9.99. Anything over that is a pirate. Spending $20 on ebooks each month is nothing.

>>19892710
>If I were an author and people were pirating my books, it meant they were reading them
it's the same thing with pirating movies, the ones only pirating and never paying never would have paid to begin with, the word of mouth advertisement and discussion they generate helps keep you famous so that the people who will buy know you exist.
and amongst the readers who pay ou will find a loss of profit in the form of bakkerfags who ensure many will never have an interest and actively avoid your works out of negative association.

>>19892741
Books are criminally expensive in certain European countries. Translations are often double the price, or more.

Just finish the Unholy Consult, sweet Sejanus what the fuck!?

>>19892800
All part of the plan Unironically.

Anyone actually read this? I watched some reviews of this which cracked me up.

>>19892810
At least that little shit was put kicking and screaming into the NG coffin.

>>19892397
anyone have some similar recommendations minus the futa and emphasis on the mommy?

>>19892834
There's a lot to unpack. It's going to stick with you for at least a month now. You will probably come up with the wild theories yourself. I know I did.
God damn, what an amazing series. I don't even care if we don't get the rest of the story.

>>19892266
What percentage of these books are purchased by black men?

>>19892869
I would not be caught dead with that on my bookshelf

>>19892881
Those books weren't published in paper. Only an idiot would allow that.

>>19892830
Rape apologist book yikes

>>19892800
>>19892848
My theory about the ending, invented to cope with all the hints and plot threads that didn't amount to anything:
The No-God destroys meaning, so when it awakens, Earwa stops following any laws of narrative

>>19892830
>SHAD M. BROOKS

>>19892310
>My wife's boyfriend read this to me through the window of my cuck shed. I almost burst through my chastity cage
>This book is life changing! The only thing better is browsing reddit and that time my wife's boyfriend bought me a switch.
>All these white boys are hilariously mad. It's extremely good and I hope this becomes reality some day.
Some shitpost reviews, there are some rather serious reviews that are alarming.

>>19892891
yeah basically the semantic apocalypse brought on by black sabbath computer god aka edgy neuroscience metaphor reveals that le everything is le meaningless so all le darkness that comes le before swallows up le narrative and bakker goes insane and fucks off from life innawoods. it's such a cowardly and pseud edgelord mentality desu. it takes true courage to accept that there can be grace even and despite our fallen and potentially meaningless nature, this is what it means to have faith, this is basic kierkegaarde and also nietzsche
so maybe proyas is the saved one after all

>>19892342
So either she is extremely unlucky to have the same name or she did publish those novels and didn't expect this to happen. My only question is, what's her business?

>>19892891
>>19892910
My two cents:
Kellhus planned his own death.
Kellhus was looking for the No-God and had two main missions: Deliver the No-God to Golgotterath and discover the plans of his Dunyain brothers. Only then could he unlock the last piece of the thousand fold thought puzzle before dying and embarking on his conquest of the Outside.
Kellhus knew who the white warriors were, because of Ajokli, but he had no way of knowing who the No-God was. Which was why he waited patiently for the No-God to manifest himself
I find it way too convenient for Kellhus to go to such strains just to Rescue Esmenet. I do not believe he truly cares for her (Bakker himself confirmed this in a previous Q&A). Why didn't he bring them along and leave The Empire to Maithanet is also beyond me. Kellhus did know more than we were led to believe, that much is for sure.
We have strong reasons to believe that Ajokli might have been able to be aware of the No-God due to its Nature(God of deciet) and his pact with Kellhus, or at the very least been able to see a future beyond the hypothetical demise of Kellhus, hence the reason why Kellhus went back to Momemn.
The real world is both inconsequential and essential to conquer the Absolute. Inconsequential since the real war has to be fought on the Outside, and Essential because in order to weaken the Ciphrang, Kellhus needs Kelmomas to rain destruction upon the world.
f I recall correctly, Aurang was reflecting on the prophecy of the No-God's return shortly before Kellhus killed him.

I think that we are being incredibly naive to assume that Kellhus lost control at any point, especially considering that we know very little of what happened during the 20 year time skip, although we can safely assume that some massive events (As evident by his alliance with Ajokli) took place.

>>19892266

>>19892928
I believe her. Literally anyone could come up with that pseudonym. Nor would any one be so stupid as to expose their real name like that when you're not forced to publish anything under your real name.

Why is this board always drowning in a sea of dicks?

>>19892958
Women don't read

>>19892958
Your mother is working tonight.

>>19892978
Then you should all wrap up extra, AIDS is no joke.

Anyone read this? Seems interesting

>>19892533
Reading Lord of the Rings for the dozenth time

>>19892931
Also Kellhus calls himself a inverse prophet, something along the lines of bringing word of the mundane to the outside. So dying was certainly part of the plan.

>>19891859
People will piss and shit themselves if any of those authors are brought up. But ask what they read and all you get is crickets, or something so laughably awful making fun of it isn't worth the effort.

>>19892533
Roadmarks by Zelazny

It's my first time reading him and I'm having a lot of fun

>>19892675
>Please tell me if you think this is worth using beyond the dictionary
I think it's great to have starting out to help you get your bearings; those first few chapters can be overwhelming due to the purposefully obscure language. Over time though I'd suggest dropping it entirely, even the dictionary because many of the obscure words don't even mean what they literally "mean" because of the translation of an alien text shtick.

>>19892617
I agree people should buy but I do use piracy to sample since I bounce off a lot of stuff. But I specifically meant that for that new reader anon - getting an eReader and a dozen free books is great for forming a good reading habit.

>>19889408
Do I need to read The Hobbit to understand The Lord of the Rings

>>19893222
No.

>>19893222
There is a chapter at the start of LOTR that explains all the relevant information

If I read the Mistborn trilogy will I remember what happens in it in a year?
Will I think 'Wow I'm really glad I read those books, they were really worth reading!'?

>>19893436
it's k

>>19893436
Why don't you read it and tell us?

>>19893436
I dont know about wow but its been a few years now and I think can remember the general gist
swallow rocks hero and girl beat big bad, oh shit he knew what he was doing, lets save the day by the skin of our teeth by eating more metals.

>>19889408
Recommend me battle-centric fantasy, I’m already aware of the Powder Mage series

>>19893222
You absolutely should read The Hobbit first

>>19893504
Bakker.

>>19893615
He said battle not buttsex.

>>19893504
Read Cradle!

>>19891893
Just go for it anon.
>>19892087
I think encourage people to go in blind. Great choice anon.

>>19893631
You see any buttsex in that passage? You've gone insane. You're seeing butt sex everywhere.

>>19893665
Nice try, you're not getting me that easy.

>>19893504
>>19893615
For a taste of Bakker's battles, read chapter 6 of TDTCB. You can read it without knowing anything else, and it won't give significant spoilers.

(It's the battle of kiyuth from Cnaiur's perspective).

>>19893615
How can someone write this then go on to write about curved phalluses? It's true what they say. All good artists are degenerates.

>>19892251
I’m going to second Conan. Swords and sorcery is the best sub genre of low fantasy.

>>19892533
The Fifth Head of Cerberus, I love it. >>19892830
I haven’t but I like some of his vids. Is it good?
>>19893222
No, but I’d still read The Hobbit first.

Excerpt from a random review of a random recently published fantasy novel:

Things got better in the second half, but the first half had so much misogyny (including internalized misogyny), racism, casual antisemitism, homophobia, rape/assault, and disregard for trauma that I nearly gave up just for that reason alone.
And the trigger warnings, oh the trigger warnings! If you have triggers around anything to do with assault, rape, attempted rape, torture, cutting, body self-hate, or pedophilia, this may be an incredibly difficult book for you (this is not an exhaustive list).
the way his fear that the abuse "made him gay" is handled is gross

>>19893769
Nobody fucking cares.

>>19889408
I’m reading the reviews for The Black Company and a lot of them say that the text is almost entirely devoid of detail and characterization, how true is that?

>>19890978
>>19891010
Started this at the shills recommendation and am just past this part, into the foreigners coming into the village. This shit reinforces its concepts too much and waxes philosophical on simple ideas like there's a profound nature to it. I'm interested in the Gu and more pivotal moments in the character's life that he's reliving, but I feel like they're few and far between at least for this portion of the series. By the time they get to the next 'realm', he'll have thrown off the curve of advancement. Sticking with it but I've got a foot in the grave.

would akka beat a top tier anagogic sorceror in a 1v1 (like eleazarus) I think he would mid diff, question is if an average gnostic sorceror could

>>19893839
People will tell me Bakker doesn't write "anime trash like Sanderson" then turn around and post stuff like this kek.

>>19893839
Have sex.

>>19893934
this

Poop

>>19892533
Finishing the quadrology.

Do the humans in the Rendezvous With Rama books ever meet the Rama ayys? What do they look like?

I'm asking because I made it through the first three books but I dropped the series because Garden of Rama was complete fucking trash.

I should have quit at the parts in Rama II where the cuckoldry shit started happening honestly.

>>19892617
I will use z library and libgen as much as I like thank you very much. I'm not paying actual meatspace currency for a fucking Bakker book.

>>19892533
A Walk to Aldebaran, it's an interesting little read thus far

Any fantasy books about employed mages? Maybe career mages? Employed to the state, maybe something privatised? Medieval preferred

>>19894197
The book I couldn't write in last year's NaNoWriMo

What is the best bolo story?

>>19894002
Read it and find out, anon.

I really liked the red, blue and green Mars books. Can you guys recommend me more stuff like it?

What's the comfiest edition of ASOIAF to read?
I have a mass paperback edition of the first book but it's very small

>>19894515
Roy Dotrice audiobooks for a 90 year old man talking about pink masts.

>>19894528
>tfw no fat pink mast
why live bros

>>19894016
It's Ok to be poor, anon. No need to be so defensive about it.

just finished book of the new sun by gene wolfe lads, new to lit and sf/f in particular, can i get some recommendations to start me out with?

>>19891890
It’s commie chink shit.

>>19894692
banned by the chinese government

>>19894690
Read the Canon.

>>19894690
Roadmarks by Zelazny

>>19893810
Read at least until wolf king arc, you can drop it after that

>>19894709
>>19894718
thank you

>>19894744
Read Tolkien, Herbert and Bakker

What should I read if I only know read Sanderson?

>>19894752
Are you that much of an indecisive bitch that you can't decide for yourself?

>>19894752
Bakker. Start reading some real literature.

>>19894752
Dying earth by Vance.

New thread
>>19894777

>>19894773
I’m not a fag.

>>19894778
And it's saved.

>>19894781
Yes you are >>19892319. You have an amazing gag-reflex.

Why are we being raided by americans again

>>19894789
No threads is shit.

>>19892800
You have to ask yourself, could he not just have defeated the Inchori, but saved them? And the Progenitors, and the Dunyain, and man?

What would Absolute Knowing, guided by the Absolute Concept, being knowing itself as its self, do in the Golden Room?

>>19892931
Just to add important evidence for this:


"So then why does He demand so much of us?” Proyas blurted. “Why entangle us with judgments? Why damn us!”

Kellhus drew up his manner and expression to answer the bodily cacophony of his warlike disciple, becoming the perfect counterpoint: ease to rebuke his disorder, repose to shame his agitation, all the while reading, counting the cubits of his disciple’s pain.

“Why is wheat sewn and harvested?”

Proyas blinked.

“Wheat?” He squinted as though ancient. “Wha-what are you saying?”

“That our damnation is the Gods’ harvest.”

For twenty years now, he had dwelt in the circuit of his father’s Thought, scrutinizing, refining, enacting and being enacted. He had known it would crash into ruin after his departure …

Known that his wife and children would die.

“What? What?”

“Men and all their generations—”

“No!”

“—all their aspirations—”

The Exalt-General bolted to his feet, flung his bowl across the chamber. “Enough!”

No flesh could be sundered from its heart and survive. All of his empire was doomed—was disposable. Kellhus had known this and he had prepared. No …

It was the hazard of the converse that had eluded him …

“The World is a granary, Proyas …

The fact that his heart would also crash into ruin.

“And we are the bread.”

+++++

Essentially, Kellhus always planned for his empire and kids to die, which certainly suggests losing. In the same chapter here, Kellhus goes to the Outside to talk with the Ciphrang. He is safe because "there is a head on a pole behind you." Based on him wearing a dead man on his hip for an entire book, we can take it that Kellhus can suspend death by trapping a soul. So, it would appear he decapitated himself so he could go to the outside while in a superposition between life and death that leaves him immune.

Plus, agree 100% him just happening to grab the No God and being him to where he needs to be is too stupid otherwise. Second, Ajokli's plan does not seem like Kellhus's preferred plan since he wants to reach the Absolute, not live long on Erwa.

Another important detail is that Kellhus begins using magic without cants or the Mark. This could be two things. Ajokli has manifested before the Golden Room, which is possible but seems unlikely because when Kellhus buys Proyas time from Hell and answers him, he says Kellhus type shit based on Dunyain logic, but is already using this non-Conventional magic. The other option is he is using Cishaurim magic. This has no mark and comes from passion, or spirit, not the intellect. This is how he can fly and float without cants.

This seems more likely in light of the Survivor's sections. He finds the Duyain's focus on the Logos wanting, and sees love for his defective son as a reality they had missed.

>>19892617
>Don't promote piracy, lads. Our genre is already in the gutter as is.
I'm outside of the US, my only chance of getting Bakker and Wagner uncensored books (like "The Once and Future King") without getting wallet-raped is piracy.

>>19895470
Bakker is obviously riffing off forms of Absolute Idealism, although no one author sticks out (certainly doesn't scream Hegel to me, I know Bradley less well, doesn't scream Schelling either). But in most forms logic has another counterpoint in Spirit. Like the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, this is hard to define by system. It is being coming to know the objects of thought, which is reality, as part of the self, or taken on the scale of the entire world as opposed to one person, it is God, the Absolute, coming to know itself, a concept from Behemism. Boehme's God isn't quite Kellhus's God of Gods, but there are similarities.

Spirit can be love, it's the recognition of the self in other in the Phenomenology, and an important concept, sort of how the survivor sees it. But it also has a quality sort of like Atman in Hindu philosophy, that which experiences. Or it's the interpretant in Piercean semiotics. Point is, you need it for Absolute Knowing.

So the Cishaurim know the world is a granary, we know this from TGO. They worship the Solitary God, who seems like Kellhus's God of Gods. It stands to reason Kellhus used Cishaurim magic to get to the Outside if Gnostics haven't seen the Gods but the Cishaurim have.

This all points to him being prepared for this outcome, plus the inverse prophet thing.

Finally, it might just be a huge plot hole, but the Ordeal is irrelevant. Kellhus can BTFO the Consult himself. So why bring them all there to die? It makes way more sense if he is sending his believers to the Outside on purpose to connect with them there.

This also works with the inverse Jesus motif, which shows up most in the Circumfix but is obviously apparent in the whole subsistence in the Logos thing to. I mean, Bakker does use ancient phil terms kind of randomly (Gnostic in SA isn't really related to Gnosticism), but Logos is obviously most associated with the Biblical claim that Christ IS the Logos, the meaning that generates Being.

[/spoilers]

>>19895517
The ordeal was not irrelevant in my option. He had to deliver the No-God to weaken the Ciphrang and found out what his brother's plans were. I don't think it's that trivial

Also: Inverse Prophet / Circumfix(Reverse crucifix) is a nice touch by Bakker. The parallelisms are there.

> no one here discussing the absolute kino of a chapter from Practical Guide to Evil
plebian tastes gentlemen