/lit/ - Literature

>>19875757
I lost my wife, house, and life savings over Kant. Not a joke.

That’s a good idea for an arthouse movie. Protagonist becomes too absorbed in philosophy and eventually dissolves into an ideal or something.

>>19875792
this is not a joke i almost lost a dear love

>>19875773
Keep going

>>19875792
>That’s a good idea for an arthouse movie
God fucking Christ

>>19875757
>reads hegel
>becomes an unlovable autist
Many such cases!

>>19875837
Was regular npc. Met npc girl while npc. qt 10/10. Nice tits. Had traumatic experiences. Needed to make sense of things. Want to believe in God and soul but lacked faith. Turned to philosophy. Recommended Kant. Denies theoretical knowledge of metaphysical objects. Become obsessed with proving Kant wrong or showing how Kants teachings can bed developed to allow for such knowledge.

>>19875913
Dedicate more time to this than wife or work. Get fired for failing work performance. Go through savings to survive. Can't get new job. Interviewers never call back. Wife gives up heartbroken and leaves. Also stopped fucking her bc lost interest in sex. Lose house. Move back in with parents. Meanwhile entire time obsessed with reading Kant.

>>19875757
Unironically start looking into Christian theology. Yes, you are simply a creation of another conciousness-- God. The Christian doctrine is all about the beauty of just that.

>>19875955
How>>19875955
>you are simply a creation of another conciousness
Why they neber teach me this in church?

>>19875955
I am a Christian, I believe that the only thing tying the collective societal unconscious together is God.

>>19875986
Explainen furter please

>>19875978
Going to church will not truly teach you theology. Church is about the appreciation of the Christian tradition, education on more practical matters, and of course, celebration of and communion with Christ. For the abstract stuff, you have to do your own research. From the Catholic perspective, I highly recommend a book by a guy named Sheed called Theology for Beginners. It helped me connect a lot of dots.

>>19875994
They can't because the true task is sisyphean. Jung did his best and even he admitted to stretching beyond himself purely in the name of the adventurer's spirit. No one man can play host to all the collective experience contained in the collective consciousness.

Christcucks stick a crucifix in the dam and call it a day when the "dam" is a sieve and each hole the eyes of another soul streaming forth animating essence from the other side.

To OP,
Stop being a bitch and obsessing over the rules and state of the game. Seek out what resonates with you. If you don't know where to look jealousy is a ready made springboard. That will at least get you moving and shaking so you can start actively experiencing rather than passively watching and have the hope of developing a more refined motivator later. Manifest experiences in line with your resonance.

>>19876060
I don't get it. You want him to be jealous? To motivate him? But he's already motivated by Hegel. He's jealous over Hegel. He wants Hegel, to be one with Hegel, so through Hegel he may obtain absolute knwing and be one with Absolut.

>>19875994
We are all perceiving a reality created by our ideals, but the only thing keeping us together is the absolute spirit, God. His rule is what keeps us from reaching a post-Babel state.

>>19876105
I want him to drop the obsession with spooks. It's an inward focused abyss lacking any resolution. The only value of the abyss is deconstruction back to a (relatively) blank slate. I want him to turn his attention outward to noticing his desires and pursuing them. Pursuing meaning rather than dissolution. Jealousy is a response to encountering an unexpressed desire so it is a workable foundation to start from.

>>19875757
You didn’t understand Sartre if these are your conclusions. Also you’re a gigantic retard.

>discord text
>girlfriend
Anon, I...

>>19875939
Anon... you could have just read Steiner...

>>19876711
Steiner?

>>19875757
anon break up with this normie bitch. I don't care if I "exist" because I would fucking kill myself if I was forced to date normies fuck.

>>19876836
Ok but good luck finding an attractive non normie bitch.

imagine reading one persons point of view without any counterpoint and then devoting your life to it.

>>19876842
there are many of them. it's just that they are all crazy.

>>19875757
You seem really childish to me. I wouldn't put your developmental state above a late High School student even if you have read Hegel.
>"why do anything if I am just an ideal created by some force? God may have created me, but what is my meaning? Am I just a puppet?"
You dont seem German to me, but I am still going to tell you what I would tell any German.
You are (if sincere underneath the puerile selfishness) at the exact point where reading Heidegger only ever starts to have a purpose.
I really dislike how you put your thoughts, but the conundrum is that through Hegel (as through so many other means) you know the infinite, the absolute, but then again end up in the finite existence that commonly is man. Why can't you hold yourself in the transcendental absoluteness and bear whitness to all its motions and instead more often live a simple life of a lone man?
It is because of this why Heidegger's philosophy begins with der Alltäglichkeit (The Quotidien), because the "What do I do and what is MY meaning" question seemingly is forgotten in all the thousand pages of Hegel. Heidegger gives you an approach for this while not ignoring that all this rests on the insight from the ancient greeks, but more importantly Kant, the German Idealists, Nietzsche &Co. and then developse all this further and so much grander. Read Heidegger and understand him beyond how french marxist used him.

And don't bother talking to a gf or any girl about this. You are being cringe.

>I love you more than Hegel or Sartre
kek

>>19877452
I'd say most normies are actually crazy but a crazy shared by so many people it's not considered crazy. By non normie i mean women who are actually contemplative and self-aware and who read and who show self-control.

>>19876719
Or A. N. Whitehead if you aren't redpilled enough.

>>19878908
What's steiner about?

>>19879480
German idealism + Christian mysticism + western occultism + phenomenology

>>19875913
You just needed to resume with Schopenhauer. He proves the existence of Platonic ideals and uncovers the nature of the noumenon all the while staying in the framework set by Kant.

>>19878908
Not that anon. I was considering reading him but decided not to. He just gives me satanic vibes, in contrast to Jung who gives me divine light vibes.

>>19879854
>I saw before me the cathedral, the blue sky. God sits on His golden throne, high above the world—and from under the throne an enormous turd falls upon the sparkling new roof, shatters it, and breaks the walls of the cathedral asunder.
Understandable, anon. I think I will stay reading Steiner though.

>>19879885
The dream was communicating to him that the clergy and organized Christianity in general has become corrupt. Which is obvious of course. Now post the quotes from Steiner about the battles he had in other dimensions with angels and demons.

>>19879854
Steiner seems to have been a really gentle person, definitely odd though since he claimed to be a visionary like Cayce.. Cayce is also a bit odd but very gentle seeming, on that note.

I recommend at least reading How to Know Higher Worlds.

Also since we are openly acknowledging esoteric things here I will say that all Steiner people I've interacted with have been extremely nice and had an aura of calm and good will. I listen to the Rudolf Steiner audio channel and really like the guy who does the readings. I listened to him in a podcast where he talked in his normal voice and even when he's not sounding deep and meditative he seems like a sweet person.

>>19879902
So why does he look like possessed by Mephistopheles?

>>19879790
Sounds interesting. Where would I get started with him? And does he address the problem of why anyone should believe what he says?

>>19879811
Then why does he deny all the categories but one?

>>19879992
>Sounds interesting. Where would I get started with him
I would probably start with an outline of Esoteric Science.
>does he address the problem of why anyone should believe what he says?
Yes.

>>19875757
You misinterpreted it. It's actually just some based racist stuff.

>>19879992
I'd start with pic related although the other recommendation is good too.

>the problem of why anyone should believe what he says?
He's pretty open about the fact that what he's proposing is an occult science or mystical science, meaning all the certainty of science (wissenschaft), but admittedly for those who can actually carry out the mystical or occult intuition themselves. He can't "show" you a mystical truth since it's part of the definition of mystical truth that it has to be directly intuited, he can only show you the way and report findings. His ideal is to make knowledge of higher worlds possible for others, by showing them how to awaken and train the faculties that are already dormant and partly awakened in us at this stage in our development. So the scientific part is about making it systematic and making the mystery open to all, like Christ took the pre-Christian mysteries and made them open to humanity, also opening the possibility of theosis for all.

It's ultimately based on Goethe's mystical science. If you can read philosophy reasonably well I recommend reading his earlier books on Goethe and Nietzsche. He was called in by Nietzsche's sister after Nietzsche's fall into madness to be the philosophical interpreter of Nietzsche's literary remains, so he met Nietzsche but it was after he had gone crazy.

Anthroposophy's practical side also comes out of this, since it's all about intuiting the underlying metaphysical essences and structures of things and then "attuning" yourself to them, hence all the focus on properly educating kids and living in tune with nature. Even people who aren't doing the mystical side can still benefit (according to them at least) from stuff like biodynamic farming, or from learning (in their eyes, fully awakening) geometric intuition as a child before suffocating your thinking with mathematical abstractions. They love projective geometry for this reason, I think.

That's the one informal "proof" I can think of for it, that it has so many interesting insights you wouldn't expect and gradually forms a well-connected system. Steiner will say some crazy shit one moment, but then give a weirdly compelling discussion of how and when European consciousness lost sight of some vital principle that makes fully developed mysticism possible.

>I love you more than Hegel and Satre
Fucking kek I love YOU faggots

>>19879998
He says all of them are reducible to that one. All of them are the same thing.

>>19876836
I guarantee you're a normie. Specially if you're using 4chan you're most likely a normie who thinks he's an abnormie main character.

>>19875757
Nah bro women are fucking terrorists

>>19880066
Hegel explains what I long suspected