/lit/ - Literature

>>19875685
Yes. Otherwise how can you actually refute their arguments?

>>19875685
You should read whatever books you like without sticking to a particular set of beliefs. An example, I don't read authors whom I know to have fetishes I hate. So I have never read Joyce. This creates variety among individuals and is good.

>>19875685
Living in a leftist zeitgeist will only make you familiar to the most watered-down and massified versions of said ideas. Of course, that doesn't mean those ideas are good in the first place, but you're delusional if you think you'll ever understand the zeitgeist (or refute some of its presuppositions, for that matter) without going a tad deeper

>>19875685
You have baby brains

>As a right-winger, is there any point to reading
no

Contemporary? Hard to say, modern leftists spew out a lot of fucking schizo tier schlock its almost not worth digging through. I think the leftist "classics" are worth going through though. Especially to learn the who, what and why lead to these very gay present

There is no point in reading if you are going to ascribe to a social ideology.

>>19875685
I'd like to point out that most non-west*id marxists are actually very socially conservative and as indifferent or outwardly disgusted by LGBT liberal globohomo as anybody on the right. you got more in common than you think.

>>19875685
As a leftist, we are absolutely NOT living in a leftist zeitgeist. We are living in a neo-liberal zeitgeist, which mouths leftist social positions but is right wing on economic and foreign issues (the issues that actually matter and which concentrate power). The top billionaire just increased his wealth by over $100 billion in a single year while the bottom 40% of the USA lost wealth. A real left wing zeitgeist would be a return to a post war focus on labor through policies like The New Deal and the domination of labor unions which actually ensured the economic gains made by the most advanced production machine known in human history actually fueled wealth increases for ALL workers, NOT for the corrupt ownership class. Both parties in the USA are laissez faire capitalists happy to receive lobbying dollars from private companies to do their bidding. Nancy Pelosi just said she needs to be allowed to buy stocks because it's a free market even though she guides regulation on the very market she would be investing it.

>>19875685
Just don't buy there books pirate them kekekek yeah get there perspective it's fun to learn i know what multiple different political leanings think and feel

>>19876137
Economically right and culturally left, the worst combination for a healthy society. Our entire political system is two neoliberal factions battling it out.

>>19876162
>You will own nothing, and be gay
Literally the future of our societies

>>19875685
Saul Alinsky is worth reading to understand his tactics and how to use them against the left, but don’t waste your time reading theory

>>19876172
For a healthy economy, you need a balance between the interests of businesses to turn a profit and expand and the interests of the labor force to materially increase their lives through hard work which has the added bonus of a growing market of consumers which feeds back into the ability for businesses to grow. If either side gets too much power, we descend into a dystopian hellscape, which we have currently done since, to quote Warren Buffet, "blessings are showered upon us (the super rich) by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species." If you can't take the time to actually understand the left wing theory of advancing the interest of workers then you are doomed to perpetually participate in a one sided economy where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, that is to say, a degeneration of every value or virtue which once existed in society.

>>19876194
Don’t care

>>19876166
>be me
>want to get vaxxed
>go to my jewish doctor
>"Mr. Goy, nice to see you. How are you doing today!" he says in a thick jewish Jersey accent.
>he gives me the shot
>he turns around, looks at the vial, and has a worried look on his face
>"Ummm I don't know how else to tell you this Mr. Goy, but the shot I just gave you wasn't a covid vaccine, it was estrogen. I'm afraid your penis will have to be removed."
>he hands me a prescription for estrogen and a playlist of sissy hypno, and schedules me for sexual reassignment surgery the following week
>tfw I'm now a Chaturbate camwhore who usually streams herself getting machine fucked by a BBC dildo

>>19876220
Cool

>>19875685
>when we we're living in a leftist and progressive zeitgeist
You're a pseud and a retard, nice for you.

>>19875685
>putting yourself in a category of another's design and filtering everything you should/shouldn't interact with through it

yeah, you do you op

>>19875698
>You should read whatever books you like without sticking to a particular set of beliefs. An example, I don't read authors whom I know to have fetishes I hate. So I have never read Joyce. This creates variety among individuals and is good.
...what?

>>19876137
>We are living in a neo-liberal zeitgeist, which mouths leftist social positions but is right wing on economic and foreign issues (the issues that actually matter
Anon just as a matter of curiousity
Has it ever occured to you,
like at any point in your life
even for a brief moment,
that the slaughter of millions of unborn children by their mothers and the inability of western adults to create and maintain lasting relationships as a result MIGHT have some profound impact on the world at large??
Like i could point DIRECTLY to multiple studies which show the EXTREME increase in anti-social behaviors displayed in children who grow in broken homes opposed to tradional homes (with FAR MORE correlation with this factor and criminal behavior then with economic class i might add)
but would it even matter to you??
I dont really se how any person gets out of college and never questions this shit.
If you ARE still developing your worldview i suggest you keeep studying
because this position frankly seems rediculous.

>>19876232
OP here. Don't get me wrong, I think there is some value in reading classical left literature like orthodox marxist texts since most conservatives and and progressives don't understand the core principles of Marxism, but I see little point in reading modern leftist theory like BIPOC studies and queer theory. A lot of it looks to be rehashed Foucault.

>>19876118
>I'd like to point out that most non-west*id marxists are actually very socially conservative
Overstated but perhaps in a relative sense, but relative to their own societies? Like most communists in the world are Indian and Chinese, and while the latter can be fairly conservative in some respects, they're really not as conservative as you think and the young people in that country are pretty much the same as in western countries. The Indian communists meanwhile are the only real party there that supports LGBT rights.

https://youtu.be/kYR2TPFxrJE

>>19876899
Also was reading a study about Chinese attitudes towards LGBT people recently, and it was interesting and paradoxical. Like, one of the conclusions was that acceptance and tolerance of LGBT people in China as friends and co-workers is widespread across most of the country (with the exceptions being Tibet, Xinjiang and the Hui region... although Tibet was very accepting towards lesbians for some reason).

On the flip side, few Chinese report wanting LGBT children. So, this is apparently due to old Confucian stuff and filial piety about passing down the family bloodline. So 99% of the problems people have is with their parents.

What people also miss about the Xinjiang reeducation camps is that it's really about integrating (in an illiberal way) a pretty backwards and conservative region of the country into modern industrial society. So, for example, reproductive rights for women are part of the their program over there -- along with pairing reeducation camps with providing primary education and economic opportunities to genuinely provide an alternative to radicalization as the other half of the program. They have cultures in places (up until this decade) where women couldn't handle money, were expected to not go to school, and must marry and have children after reaching puberty. How do you go about integrating this group into mainstream society? The Chinese approach was to send them to boarding schools away from the parents, give them vocational training, and to get them on birth control. So the Communist Party is fairly woke by the standards of continental East Asia.

Now, I don't think an LGBT curriculum is part of the reeducation. But either way, there's a weird notion among some internet weirdos who want to gull right-wingers into communism by pointing to China as a positive example. But China is China, it's not the United States. Even in a hypothetical science-fiction future where China rules the world (which you're not going to see in your lifetime), the biggest effect on American culture that will have will probably be more Chinese restaurants and movies in the theatre.

>>19876137
Economically you're right but socially you're wrong

>>19876137
>A real left wing zeitgeist would be a return to a post war focus on labor through policies like The New Deal and the domination of labor unions which actually ensured the economic gains made by the most advanced production machine known in human history actually fueled wealth increases for ALL workers, NOT for the corrupt ownership class.
Lmao I bet you favor welfare policies too.

>>19875685
>As a right-winger, is there any point to reading leftist literature
Yes, educating yourself

>>19875685
Read Henry George
if it doesn't save you... go on, friend.

>>19876508
Fuck off incel. Adults are discussing here

>>19875696
Why try? You don't have to interact with them. You don't have to convince them.

>>19876137
>As a leftist, we are absolutely NOT living in a leftist zeitgeist
leftism means taking HRT and deifying black people. we are living in a leftist soceity.

>>19876508
Aborted babies tend to be at higher risk of factors which lead to crime. The drop off of violent crime since the 90s may actually be the result of legalizing abortion, just goes to show there can be consequences you wouldn't be able to expect which crop up after the fact. Also I find the breakdown of the family to be one of the worst plights plaguing our societies and the fact that the right wing has allowed the complete abandonment of family values is one of their most damning failures. As I indicated earlier, I think both right and left wings play an important role in society and should be relatively balanced.

>>19876976
Be specific please, this isn't twitter, you don't have a character limit
>>19877172
I do favor welfare policies, but ONLY UNIVERSAL. Any means testing of ANY KIND is unacceptable. Ideally welfare would take the form of UBI or a negative income tax... Oh hey, some guy named Milton Friedman recommended that, but I'm sure he's just a crazy leftist.
>>19877284
>If I redefine leftism to be only the retarded extremes, then leftism is bad
Trannies will never be real women and black people are no better than any other kind. Identity politics are cancerous and are an artificial graft fueled by neo-liberals who use those issues as a distraction from what matters, foreign intervention and economic policy

>>19876507
President Obama I am merely arguing that everyone should branch off in his own direction rather than read the same curriculum as everyone else. In the grand scheme of things this contributes a positive cross-pollination and variety of thought. Also it's perfectly reasonable to discard an author because of his fetishes.

>>19877415
>Be specific please, this isn't twitter, you don't have a character limit
Leftist thought dominates socially. The postmoderns of the 1960s won. The Marxists of the 1960s won. Any guy you find on the street is going to have their views socially.

>>19877172
>Lmao I bet you favor welfare policies too.
Shunning welfare politics makes sense, when you have a clan-like extended family, or, at least, organized around a church (think ancient sumerian temples), i.e. have a tight network of close personal connections.
THEN, local kin/kith support outweighs the necessity to rely on Big Brother. THAT'S how it was throughout millenia. But you're probably too socially disintegrated for that.

>>19875685
>we're living in a leftist and progressive zeitgeist
Lmao