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People knew in the 2000s what the seminal book of the 90s was. Do we now know what the seminal book of the 2000s was? There was a lot of consensus back then apparently that it was Infinite Jest, so it's rather weird that there's no such consensus for the 2000s. Could it be that the internet was actually the final nail in the coffin for literature, that what function literature served as the media of serious artistic expression has become lost now and is to be found again--somewhere else, most likely?

>> No.19830430

>>19830189
You only think that because young blood, people did not start thinking of it that way for a decade or, other than the obvious marketing angle, which who wouldn't. In the 90s it was just another big impressive book and all our heros had just sold out to pop culture or dead, our movement was being co-oped by the mall and mtv. No one was looking for the next big thing, what was the point, our fuck you to the world got hung on a rack with price tag affixed.

>> No.19830436

Twilight unironically

>> No.19830457

>>19830189
90s - infinite jest
20s - 2666 & the pale king
2010s - nothing
2020s - nothing

>> No.19830480

>>19830436
Fotm. It's hp. Twilight and hunger games are just aftershocks. 2010s has no book because no one after 2010 reads. The closest is GoT but far far fewer people read the books and only consumed the show. It's fitting that literature died with a series that could rival the bible in sales and influence. We have truly reached the end of literature and if you don't see that you are totally delusional. Books will still be written, but the art of the novel is dead. Only the base essence will be extracted from the novel's corpse and carried onward into other mediums.

>> No.19830491

>>19830480
The book industry now exists solely as a way to vet scripts for movies.

>> No.19830494

I didn't immediately get into Infinite Jest, but I didn't dislike it. However I did quickly become exhausted by the constant footnotes and operating two bookmarks to read it like a choose your own adventure novel. I didn't get much past 1/4 read I'd say.

Is it worth trying again but without reading the supplementary writing? I personally feel that it's indicative of a poorly planned book, but I'm aware I'll be in the minority.

>> No.19830517

>>19830457
2010s - Taipei by Tao Lin
2020s - Leave Society by Tao Lin

>> No.19830597

>>19830491
The only vain hope the novel has is a renaissance. That's why laughable pure aesthetic movements like dark academia are not so silly. Only through anachronistic fetishism does the novel have a chance to experience a rebirth in relevance. Without a current of rebellion or a veneer of clashing styles there is nothing to compete against race fetishism, altruism grifting (yang/political figures in general), and wish fulfillment power fantasies ad infinitum.

>> No.19830605

>>19830457
>20s
Do you mean the 00s?

>> No.19830627

Wallace's suicide was a symbolic castration of the literary history as a whole, and the rendering into obsolescence of it moving forward. While he was alive, he single-handedly preserved the yet realized uselessness of the medium, a stubborn bulwark whose subjective and analytic endlessness justified to himself and to the world the permanence of literature. But it couldn't, in the end, persuade itself forever. Literature, as everything, matters insofar as it reacts and interacts with silent technological progress, the material shape of reality. It was once useful as a tool and a reaction to industrial changes, but is now boiled down to being a reactionary, pornographic, obscure tool of use only for those who wish to suffer the illusion of meaning and advancement. We're outside the era where fiction has a communal, spiritual, moral, and intellectual function. Its replacement is bitcoin.

>> No.19830892

>>19830627

you're wrong and i hope you break out of your depression one day

the word resides in the soul

>> No.19830895

>>19830457
Have read not read 2666 but I hear about it so much from reputable critical sources that it might indeed contend for the 2000s seminal book.
As for the 2010s, it's almost complete void. I guess a few idiots would say Houellebecq's Submission.

>> No.19830896

>>19830892
How come?

>> No.19830907

>>19830627
Wallace is the epitome of hopelessness of literary arts.

>> No.19830983

>>19830430
This guy mark fishers.

>> No.19830986

>>19830457
>2010s - nothing
I'd go with Conversations with Friends. It may be mediocre, but it was a mediocre decade, and Bobbi is great enough of a character to make the book stand out compared to its competition.

>> No.19831055

>>19830983
I only know who he is from seeing threads on him from the catalogs. Elaborate?

>> No.19831060

>>19830189
00s – The Kindly Ones
10s – Witz

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19831084

>>19830597
>Only through anachronistic fetishism does the novel have a chance to experience a rebirth in relevance. Without a current of rebellion or a veneer of clashing styles there is nothing to compete against race fetishism, altruism grifting (yang/political figures in general), and wish fulfillment power fantasies ad infinitum.

>> No.19832439

>>19830189
2000s
Unironically Harry Potter

2010s
Capital by John Lanchester was good. Hardly seminal though.

>> No.19832803

>>19830494
By supplementary writing do you mean the footnotes? There is information in the footnotes that is as important as anything found in the main text. You should certainly not skip them.

>> No.19832834

>>19830491
You're not very informed are you? That's not how publishing operates at all