/lit/ - Literature

>>19821548
desu, I think since feminism has its own thinktanks, so should incels, given they're the polar opposite.

>>19821548
Who

>>19821548
I don't deny it's existance, but it holds little useful information because nobody wants to understand that the main issue is culture that allows top tier men to poach women from the mating pool. What's more this culture conditions women to go looking for the top-tier males who for the most part lease them during their primes, then discard them once looks are starting to fade.They do have a point though, in our age women are a shitty business deal because you can't get them early - mid to late teens, which causes like half of their best years to not get to any man even top tier guy.

Globalism is also an issue because you're no longer competing with the hometown - that mostly had like 2-3 top tier males, but with the actual elite of the entire world. The elites has essentially cut off 8s,9s and 10s from the rest of us because those are getting flown in to get shit on by Sheikhs, Russian Oligarchs, Jews, Eurocrats etc - who disgard them and we mortals only get them at like 30s at which point they're not that top tier anymore anyway. So we're stuck with 7s and 6s who get so much attention to that they become insane because guys better looking than them - but still not top tier in terms of status - don't want to commit unless they have no choice etc.

TL:DR: No books are currently explaining this paradox. Hypergamy and shit is just an obfuscation, and I will not be surprised if elite sponser women hate to bait our gaze away from them. The real issue is top tier men who have monopolized all the hot women and have created a culture that poaches them out of the mating pool.

There's also the age factor. An old rich ugly scrooge gets more top tier pussy than Chad himself because Chad can only meet 7,s and 6s and only very rarely - through stroke of luck anyone above that and only for a while.

>>19821548
sauce sauce sauce sauce

>>19821548
why are his pupils so large? its freaky

>>19821665
Psycho-active chemical compounds.

>>19821643
In The polygamous sex, Esthar Villar says this is ultimately the problem.

>Although the average polygamist actually wrongs only another man, not his wife, he is rarely aware of this: a woman who regards her husband as her father cannot be the victim of sexual infidelity. For an 'adoptee' her partner is not primarily the lover, so she is jealous only when she is threatened with losing the provider in him. She would of course prefer to be her husband's 'only child', but once there is a 'sister', she will settle for at least not having to take second place. As long as the goodies are fairly shared, and the 'father' is sufficiently well-off to provide for more than one 'child', she does not care, basically, what he does with the others.

>It is not towards women, therefore, that the polygamous man should be feeling guilty, but towards men. Since the male and female populations are roughly equal in number, every man who indulges himself in having two women is taking away another man's partner. A sheikh who possesses a hundred 'sex objects' is not doing the women any harm: in his harem they are well taken care of, the sexual 'exploitation' is distributed over a large number and therefore minimal, they need not be separated from their children and they always have company. It is only the poorer men who are humiliated: ninety-nine of them are deprived of potential partners by the sheikh.

>>19821675
That's cringe

>>19821548
Houellebecq's "Whatever."

Houellebecq wrote about it in his first novel. And most subsequent ones, but the first remains the best.

>>19821643
But hypergamy is relevant here.
The way you describe things makes it sound like women have no agency, no say in the matter, which conveniently absolves them of responsibility.
But this isn’t true, women have never had more rights and freedom of choice than they have now.
The only explanation is that women choose to get shit on by oil sheikhs and Russian oligarchs because they are following their hypergamous instincts instead of saying no, even if it means “dating down”.

>>19821677
Yeah that explains it nicely, but it doesn't touch on how modern world enables it even more via social media and other shit - which gives elites easy access to top tier pussy (more so than before internet).

>>19821643
Nothing is good, everybody is a fucking freak

>>19821643
>An old rich ugly scrooge gets more top tier pussy than Chad himself because Chad can only meet 7,s and 6s
Real talk how good it feels to fuck a girl has little to do with how she looks

>>19821698
Well it was written in like the 70's so...
But yeah, of course globalism and then social media turned it up a big degree.

>>19821710
based

>>19821689
Of course it's relevant, but it wouldn't have been this bad if we had a culture that would have prevented this global competition to screw over everyone but the top-tier men. Women are getting fucked over just as hard as loser men because they're "leased" and after that's done - and they're mentally broken because it was all a 'lie' - they in many cases stop dating at all because they have failed as women to attract top tier male.

A proper culture prevents top-tier males from fucking over everyone or at least limits it far greatly than we currently do.

Also women are dumb. Whatever "agency" they have is irrelevant, since at this stage pretty much anyone who's willing to enter the debate in good faith, will agree that women must be protected from themselves.

>>19821548
You're stupid.

>>19821710
The validation of fucking a beautiful woman sure as hell adds to the experience. Also for some strange reason my load is always bigger when I fuck a hot chick compared to average - not sure why though.

>>19821740
>validation
Lol come on man, get a grip

>Also for some strange reason my load is always bigger when I fuck a hot chick compared to average - not sure why though
Purely psychosomatic

>>19821548
No, suggesting that women can do wrong is illegal.

>>19821752
I get it: don't seek validation and all, but lets be real here, if we stood between a choice of fucking a hot woman and an uggo, we would all take hot and never look back ever again. Besides it just feels better for some reason. I truly think that Greeks were right; aesthetics are indeed saintly.

>>19821682
>Whatever
What a stupid fucking name, and with such hideous cover.
The french name is so much better.

>>19821548
not about incelism but it touch the subject and it's a fun read

>>19821716
Funny, seems strange that it didn't become common knowledge. Suppose it was because things were still "good" for the common man back then.

Today this kind of knowledge is essentially "lost" for like 80% of our population.

Is... is that a woman having sex with the most attractive men that she can get? Noooooooooo I'm going insaaaaaane save me incelman

>>19821815
>the french name is so much better
I’m really unsure of why they wouldn’t have directly translated the french title considering the exact phrase is used in the book and alluded to on a few separate occasions. The publishers must have given into their marketing team, which was a huge oversight. “Whatever” is an embarrassing title.
I never had an issue with this cover. They cigarette packet cover on the other hand…

>>19821710
Probably the most retarded thing i have ever read on 4chan

>>19821710
you never had sex in your life

>>19821851
>>19821860
Not everybody is attracted to just the flesh like simple monkey fucks.

>>19821860
I had sex this morning

>>19821883
I'm only talking about "the flesh" here. Yeah obviously if you love her the sex will be better. But some pussies just feel way better than others, and you can never tell by how she looks or acts or anything really.

>>19821860
>>19821851
Both of you are virgins and everyone can see right through you.

>>19821926
Pussies feel better for two reasons:

> She's young and still tight (good lord pussy at 17 is tight as shit dude)
> She works out and has a fit body, and at that stage they can control pussy - to a degree - to a point where it can become tighter.

>>19821548
This one partially

>>19821953
>>She's young and still tight (good lord pussy at 17 is tight as shit dude)

>>19821710
absolutely fucking this. I think the most lame sex I've had has always been with those pretty little beauties, man they tire early. Chubby average-looking girls are easily the most fun
>>19821740
>validation
I pity you for being caught up in this
>>19821953
> She's young and still tight
complete bullshit, vaginas don't really change that much. Did your dick get slimmer from banging tight pussy?

>>19821710
No one fucking asked normalfaggot cunt.

>>19822020
Imagine not knowing that shit, yet still trying to project virginity upon others. Probably didn't get laid in highschool, and what's more never fucked a fit woman.

Get laid virgin

What would it talk about though? It's just common sense that when you make sex and relationships a completely free thing up to the individual that isn't couched in tradition or rituals this produces unequal hierarchies, just like a free market produces some few rich people and a whole lot of poors.

The reality is that everyone knows that this is true, but liberal society has no solution to it, because the whole point of liberalism is to trash coercive traditions, rituals and social rules in favor of individual liberty.

>>19821548
WE DEMAND THE SAUCE WE DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHATEVER STUPID SHIT IS BEING DISCUSSED HERE

>>19821548
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/11/the-new-superfluous-men/

The interview with the author on Aufhebungabunga is pretty good as well.

>>19822137
The article was pretty self-explanatory though, and said nothing of particular interest.

Again, everyone who has slightly above room temperature IQ knows that this is a problem, but nobody has or wants a solution, because any solution might involve violating core liberal principles.

>>19821826
she tried but it just never caught on
of course it wouldn't, when you read the whole book which does squarely blame women at the root of the problem.
Honestly I can't see how anything can ever change considering the people in power though. Women obviously wouldn't want this changed. The men with influence wouldn't want this changed. The government wouldn't want this changed, it just gives the average guy more incentive to work harder in the hopes of reaching that 1% moneywise one day when he's 40 and getting his share of young pussy that was taken from him by another 40 year old when he was 20. Everyone who fails is too burned out by that time to care enough, assuming they correctly identify the problem and don't just think "welp that's the way it is".

>>19822043
Don't care, keep wanking over your bogus social theories

>>19822079
How about not shitting on incels for a start?
I read the article posted and at the end it it’s STILL ambivalent on wether society should be understand or scornful towards the problem.
Unfucking believable.

>>19822335
A capitalistic, liberal society will naturally hate the people at the bottom because a liberal society says that every individual is responsible for their own life which means that if you're at the bottom of it, it's your own fault for making bad decisions, hence everyone is justified in hating you.

And the same logic applies to female company, if you're an incel, just like if you're poor, you have only yourself to blame and society doesn't have any obligation to help.

>>19822364
Then you don't have an obligation to work as hard for the society. Granted, the elites have opted for ethnic suicide by going the immigrant-route, but I have a sneaking suspecion that they don't give much a damn beyond their lifetime so who cares - right?

Personally I find it laughable. We've destroyed our nations because everyone is a coomer, or wants to snag a top-tier man, who opts to lease you, and then you cry with your cats being childless. Yeah there are people who still breed, but there's a substantial population who's childless and will die childless because the culture allowed it to happen.

>>19821548
Economists should be shitting their pants at this trend. It signifies the impending collapse of our society within two generations. We are halfway through the first.

>>19821548
>tfw cant even be mad at girl for picking Chad over me because I'd pick Chad too
>realize I'm actually gay
Damn, what the fuck

>>19822421
They've already accepted that collapse will happen, at this stage they're just trying to set themselves and their descendants favorably for the new age. A lot of Roman elites mixed with germanic, greek, celtic and semitic lines once they saw that Rome was done for.

I'm personally calling that in 50-80 years some Europeans within elite will start to embrace Islam openly, assuming it doesn't fall prey to sodom that is our culture. Americans is harder to predict, because catholicism will enable a lot of degeneracy of their culture unless some Latin Martin Luther-like figure comes out of the shadows and inspires the people to let go of degeneracy - doubt that it will happen.

>>19822457
I doubt it as well. I plan on retiring to an Orthodox monastery when that time comes near.

>>19822457
>I'm personally calling that in 50-80 years some Europeans within elite will start to embrace Islam openly
Europoor here, the muslims here aren't trad in any way. Muslim youths are smoking, drinking and fucking alongside the natives. Islam is just a fresh coat of paint for a old house.

>>19822403
>Personally I find it laughable. We've destroyed our nations because everyone is a coomer, or wants to snag a top-tier man, who opts to lease you, and then you cry with your cats being childless. Yeah there are people who still breed, but there's a substantial population who's childless and will die childless because the culture allowed it to happen.
All the people I know with kids are normalfags or larp as boomers. Mostly good virtuous people. It's not over entirely.

>>19822421
>Economists should be shitting their pants at this trend
Why? Women are statistically the biggest consumers there are. Having a culture that glorifies women going out every night and having to buy countless products to make themselves fuckable is "good" for the market.

>>19822521
Decent point so long as women and men keep working. New children can be made by artificial insemination and designated birthmother surrogates.

Men primarily work to obtain sex. It is the ultimate motivator. Men can only be kept working as long as the remote possibility of sex exists. This is decreasing year by year for millions. Maybe the problem will fix itself and mass suicide will take over.

>>19822505
That is true, but you have to remember that their religion allows for deception, and even outright ignoring of its rules until they're ready to strike as a majority - taqiyya is a thing.

Lebanon was somewhat like that when it was Christian majority, the muslims acted somewhat in a non-muslim fashion, then they reached 50/50 and it caused a civil war.

I'd like to think that you're right, and maybe you are, but the cases I've read about historically do not paint a picture you're trying to convey

>>19821548
I want a woman to look at me like that. That's literally all I want. I will work on myself until I attain this.

>>19822555
Anon, that will not happen before collapse sets in. The results we are seeing right now should have been like in the 50s if not 60s for it to even have a modicum of a chance.

The technology is in its pre-infant stages, because humans aren't goats and sheeps they've been testing this shit on.

>>19822421
>>19822521
Economists ARE shitting themselves at this trend. There are articles about how there are 30 million lonely men in china and india and how it's going to be more. You can imagine how things are gonna be in india in 20-30 years with the climate change and their gangrape problems.

Germany for example has a super old population, almost half the population are over 50, the whole system would drop if they didn't accept in foreigners for work.

>>19822571
Looks better without makeup.

>>19821548
I don't think hypergamy is real, or at least I think incels exaggerate it. I go outside and see ordinary looking men with girlfriends everywhere I go. I don't know what these fucks are going on about

You would Like First Love by Turguêniev

>>19822571
She has makeup on in both videos. More female lies.

>>19822633
>I go outside
already a step too far for them

>>19822633
>I go outside
stopped reading right there

>>19822633
I don't necessarily buy into it all myself but I think dating has gotten significantly more difficult as well as maintaining a longterm relationship. There's less incentive for people to compromise on things, especially for women, and this harms the chances of unattractive men. I share your anecdotal experience but that doesn't negate the fact that less and less young men are having fulfilling relationships and divorce is an expectation rather than an exception.

>>19822683
> and divorce is an expectation rather than an exception.
I agree with the anon for the last iteration of this thread that men are just predicting cheating or divorce and just dropping out instead

>>19822633
How does that disprove hypergamy? Hypergamy is getting with the best person you can, they’d just say those girls are with them because those are their best options.

>>19822571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xxqg4PHg3M

>>19822905
It's also a possibility that they have compatible personalities and enjoy each others company. It's not ALL about looks

>>19821548
sauce pls

>>19822918
>It's not ALL about looks

Any ugly man knows it's more about looks than normies are willing to admit though. I mean, if you're not a 7 at least there's no point using a dating app if you're a man for example, and dating apps are unfortunately the primary way people in younger generations meet eachother.

The future is a harem.

>>19822565
>That is true, but you have to remember that their religion allows for deception, and even outright ignoring of its rules until they're ready to strike as a majority - taqiyya is a thing.

Right, because that's exactly what 15-16 year old danish-speaking arab niglet zoomer twinks do, they sit down and plan how to characterize the downfall of Western CivilisationTM with a synchronized jihadic uprising.

Nigger, all they worry about is watching niggerball, playing niggerball on playstation, getting shoes for niggerball and chasing dumb white sluts.

>>19821651
>>19822962
>>19822093
bros ...
https://spankbang.com/5i4j4/video/will+not+let+you+get+away

>>19823019
Based beyond comprehension

>>19822671
>>19822677
This. I don't even know where 'outside' is. The Grand Canyon is outside. Maybe I will find a decent woman there. When someone tells you to go 'outside' to meet people, they might as well also tell you to go to Hogwarts to learn wizardry.

>>19823019
What the fuck, it actually is a woman?
The video itself is pretty hot, I’m saving it for Sunday.

>>19821548
Sex and Character

>>19823140
I have noticed that going outside (in the city, in your suburb, etc) is not even close to enough anymore. Nobody out there wants to even make eye contact with another human being, let alone talk to them and certainly not make a new friendship. Old people are the exception because they come from a time when the physical world was the only way to have human contact, they didn't give themselves mental illness by spending all their time online.

>>19823019
I love you

>>19822505
I believe it. I don’t know the ratio for cultural assimilation, but second generation gotta be well over 75%

Incels just need to hrt themselves
Im already on it

>>19823677
post bussy.

>>19821548
polygamy is good with rules for commitment. Its basically eugenics

>>19824245
Lol retard

>>19823147
Do you save your cum for the sabbath?

>>19821953
It's genetics. Just like some dicks are bigger than others, some pussies are larger and some are smaller.

>>19821710
I disagree with this. The SENSATION of fucking 10/10 and uggos are arguably the same. But that's it just the sensation. But when fucking a girl, you're looking for something more than SENSATION, right? Otherwise you would be content just fapping.
What is it that you crave other than sensations in sex is of course feelings of significance. So that's it, sensations in sex can be reduced to a message conveying "you're significant" and said significance is determined by "how significant" your partner is (high SMV, beauty).
I disagree if people say "don't let anyone validate your worth", or those who think that you can make others feel good by saying "you are worthy", it's like telling other people that unicorn exists even if they don't see them. So yeah, in conclusion, you want to have sex, but at the same time you ACTUALLY don't want to have sex you want something else and this "something else" can only be PROVEN by sex. That's what makes incels crazy. The solution I guess is to aspire to become great in something, become great scientist, philosopher, etc. so that you get "what you want" without sex.

>>19821643
This reality is so bizarre to me and I really do not understand where it is coming from. I'm 24, 5'10", no career, maybe a 6-7/10, and charismatic. I have ZERO issues having relationships with hot women. And since I'm on this shithole, I obviously have mental issues as well
What are you guys doing wrong? Do any of you actually ask out women?

/lit/ has the worst incel threads

a lot of people dont know how to talk to each other anymore, so less people get laid. it's that simple. people who can fuck will fuck. those who are too afraid stay lonely.

>>19822565
>That is true, but you have to remember that their religion allows for deception, and even outright ignoring of its rules until they're ready to strike as a majority - taqiyya is a thing.
>Lebanon was somewhat like that when it was Christian majority, the muslims acted somewhat in a non-muslim fashion, then they reached 50/50 and it caused a civil war.
Listen bud as a Christian Arab I have to inform you that it is 10,000,000x more complicated than that. And this "taqiyya" that I've been seeing spread around lately as the universal muslim concept is largely bullshit.
Muslims are 24% of the world's population and have a history going back 1000+ years. Stop the weird generalizing theories because they always fall apart at the slightest amount of scrutiny

>>19824283
This is about trends not exceptions

>>19821548
Nobody cares that you don’t have sex loser

>>19821710
I'm inclined to believe at this point that uglier girls, on average, are much better at sex. The really pretty ones are lazy and they just go starfish mode. Ugly girls have to earn it.

>>19824311
>Listen bud as a Christian Arab I have to inform you that it is 10,000,000x more complicated than that.
Yeah "Christian" arab lol
>read quran
>say to the unbeliever: we are the Religion of Peace™
>do this the unbeliever: kill him then rape and kill everything of his, it's your right lol
>Muslims enacted this every single time they could
>bro it's actually more complicated than that, they're not just lying and laying low until they reach critical mass
the only reason why I'm not worried about Muslims anymore is that the globohomo will get them too.

>>19821548
anon just because your ex or crush is a huge slut doesn't make 'hypergamy' a meaningful thing nor say anything about society. just call em as you see em without trying so desperately to find a bigger picture to blame.

>>19824406
They don't take themselves as seriously, that's why they're better at fucking. Ugly chicks are underrated

>>19821557
they arent the polar opposite lol, they both don't have sex

>>19822571
She looks like Rami Malek. Looks better with makeup, but mostly because she's smiling.

>>19824427
I'm literally posting from Bethlehem you stupid fucking faggot. You have no awareness of how ignorant and uninformed you sound to anybody who has any actual knowledge and experience with any of the unexamined terms, memes, and concepts picked up from the last internet on sites like these that you throw around like a clown. Keep dancing, its funny

>>19822457
What alternative reality is anon living in where protestants aren't the biggest feminists around (which is the theme of the thread)? Enjoy your female bishops and non-sacramental divorceable marriage. Luther even embarrassingly allowed the polygamy of the lord of Hesse to have him fighting his wars. A Martin Luther like figure today would just allow the current elites to openly have ten wives each and divorce them when they are in their 30s.

>>19821548
Required watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq1ek10qtGA

>>19821548
My diary

>>19822457

>Martin Luther

Anon, are you a fucking retard? This guy is the degenerate. The west is cucked because of this faggot. You've got all your history fucked up.

>>19823850
This is a sfw board you silly

>>19824633
Good vid. Our dating practices are wack and ineffective. We've unwittingly sacrificed familial stability, long-term mate satisfaction, and birthrates so that (in essence) it's possible to get lots of pussy in college, but only if you're attractive. Compounding mistakes do not bode well for the future.

>>19822571
imagine thinking "working on yourself" will get you a gf. you have to be tall and have a nice face that's it. it's already decided when you're born. sometimes people get lucky and get a cute gf even though they're ugly though (i did) but that was purely luck

>>19821677
Yeah, FUCK sheiks

>>19824572
Was Islam or was it not born in war? Mohammed united the tribes under Islam, and then what happened anon?

>>19823014
>>19824311
Trusting the word of shitskins is pointless because you're allowed to lie to non-believers as much as you want. Whoever trusts a shitskin on these kinds of topics is an idiot, an enabler or is a useful idiot.

That aside I don't even care if your religion wins in Europe, I care mostly about Americas

>>19824406
Uglier or mid tier girls are just sluttier. Top tier of females actually are less promiscuous, because their standards are so high only a ridicolously low amount of top tier males can have sex with them .

>>19825239
I never understood the problem people had with Starfish sex. She has turned herself into a fucking doll for you to do anything, and on top of that she has just given you hatred-ammo for that sweet hate-fucking.

No Starfish can last hate-fueled jackhammering. Also being rough helps alot.

>>19821548
This is a good primer on female sexuality focused on humans / mammals. Has some spurious evo psych hypotheses posing as supported theory, but is mostly good.

No books on "muh black pill hypergamy," exist because it doesn't exist. 96% of men and 98% of women have had sex by aged 30. 80% of men have had at least one marriage by age 40.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db19.htm#:~:text=Key%20findings,-Data%20from%20the&text=The%20probability%20that%20men%20will,of%20the%20same%20age%20range.

Muh hypergamy is marketing. A combo of sex in media and black pill fags trying to push their political shit. Number of partners at the same age is down for both women and men in every generation since the Boomers. Females and males in developed countries are having sex later. The survey showing men having a larger rise in no? It was one data point that made the news because it was unexpected. Women pulled up to get closer to men in the same survey the next time it was given. It was also about frequency, not virginity.

>>19825214
>these kinds of topics is an idiot, an enabler or is a useful idiot
The irony you gutter sweeper

>>19825331
Ask a black pill fag how it is that 80+% of men have been married by middle age but women only fuck the top 10%. Are people getting legally married and not having sex?

Ask them why the one study showing men diverging most from women is valid, but all others are not, and why that same survey became invalid the next time it was given and showed less difference.

The black pill shit sees everything as transactional and based on immediate visceral pleasure. The core adherents are probably low level psychopaths because they don't seem to understand empathy at all, or even that people can get things other than physical pleasure or money to buy physical pleasure out of relationships.

>>19821643
Walls of text just to cope that women go for chads and not for losers like you.

>>19825339
Shitskin mad cuz he got found out.

>>19825359
Have sex incel

>>19824572
I know a Christian whose family fled Lebanon because of Muslims and he would disagree with you and call you a massive Muslim-loving faggot

>>19825368
Please keep dancing its fun
>>19825380
I know a muslim family from Lebanon that fled here after they were getting targeted by christian death squads
Westerners try to project these stupid fucking monolithic groups with simplistic dynamics and it doesn't fit at all. Tell your friend hes a fag. Lebs come in all shapes and sizes, the mouth of one means nothing

>>19822565
>>19824311
>>19824427
>>19823617
I have good reason to doubt that western born and bred muslims even know what taqiyya is. I had to explain to a class of muslims who Joseph was, a prophet from their own book. Those people are losing their own faith, aside for not eating pork.

>>19825394
Even niggers lie better than you do, you're not tricking anyone here.

Also Muhammad was a faggot who took it in the arse, and here's a picture for you

>>19825411
Irrelevant. The lifestyle that is brainwashed into them will not become available due to cultural chasm, which will cause resentment and fertile grounds for muslim radicalization.

>>19825413
Nice twirl, now try a side step

>>19823019
God she's ugly, and her tits suck. Cringe.

>>19825345
>Are people getting legally married and not having sex?
Probably. Regardless marriage rates are at an all time low due to how much a scam they are for men. It’s basically gambling at this point, you are betting on your wife not fucking your over and divorce raping you. You have a 50/50 chance of your marriage ending in divorce by the way.
>Ask them why the one study showing men diverging most from women is valid, but all others are not, and why that same survey became invalid the next time it was given and showed less difference.
This affects women too, but the way it affects them is they ride the cock carousel for a good decade, which leaves them used up and embittered, so they decide to become spinsters.
>The black pill shit sees everything as transactional and based on immediate visceral pleasure. The core adherents are probably low level psychopaths because they don't seem to understand empathy at all, or even that people can get things other than physical pleasure or money to buy physical pleasure out of relationships.
It’s this cancerous culture that has reduced human relationships intonations mere economic transactions. No one actually likes this shit but every time a critic piped up they shut them down with accusations of inceldom.

>>19824276
Yes I’m a secular Jew if that’s what you’re asking.

>>19825331
People don't buy into this stuff based on facts. A cursory look for facts would show things like the male rate for having sex at 19 only being 4% from the female rate, or like you said, a large majority of men being married. The studies are also for unmarried people. Married people have sex significantly more frequently and taking out that whole segment skews the results.

Male virginity and not having sex is on the rise relative to females, but the difference is a few % points. Even in the one study black pills love to cite, it's still 10%, not the 10/90 gap we're told exist, but that's one paper, and surveys from the same period didn't find a gap as large.

>It's the new generation

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/05/06/CDC-40-of-US-teens-are-sexually-active/8811588709258/

4% gap is not hypergamy. Sex is going down for men and women.

Why is the myth so appealing? I think it has to do with the ideologies embraced. Finding modernity and consoomerism lacking, your 4chan types are hit with the visceral fear of becoming Nietzsche's bovine Last Men. Post-modern philosophy, the death of positivism from the unslaught of folks like Wittgenstein and Quine, has taken the ground away. They can't embrace physicalism and scientific progress as a goal because that suggests technocracy, but globalization has been eroding their standard of living and, more importantly, status. They can't embrace post modernism, because relativism is more unstable, it further destroys the ground, and is dominated by the left. However, if you want order, you can't go that way.

But since no coherent conservative alternative to neoliberalism has emerged (neoliberalism of course being the explicit policy of the US GOP for a century, but somehow now a curse word despite them still embracing it as policy), they flounder on shit like Evola or BAP.

These philosophies tend to be budget Nietzsche. Evola I found was fairly interesting, and BAP has a leg up on Rand at least, but it's still a fairly incoherent mash up of things. Nietzsche denuded of the nausea with a political bent attached (or with Evola a very strange denuding of German Idealism from the things that help it avoid solipsism, merged with Nietzschean ideas, but then a sort of metaphysical realism that overturns the greater innovations of German Idealism in dealing with universals.

The result is normally some ideology of the heroic. You want to be Alpha, Chad. And this means having sex. You have to be John Savage in Brave New World, but you also can't hang yourself because you're a warrior.

It results in a love/hate relationship for an image of modern woman as a Tinder scrolling turbo sexual being. Her validation is required to define one as Alpha, but she is detestable. Add in men constantly seeing women in unrealistic sexual scenerios due to ubiquitous pornography at their fingertips 24/7, and it's no surprise it is pathological.

>>19825496
It's a good sign Stocism is making a comeback because that at least is a more coherent philosophical alternative.

But it has been denuded into mere self help shit. The fear of becoming a beast the ancients had is turned into "productivity" bullshit.

The point I'd like to see stressed is:

1. There is no Cartesian I, ala Hume. There are multiple stands of thought and will competing to drive behavior. Buddhist anattā is perhaps a bit too far for what is mean, but better than the specter of Cartesian Dualism.

2. There are different levels to these drives ala Aristotle, with the intellect being a higher form.

3. Freedom from animal desires, being moved by that which you cannot fathom, being a slave, comes from self control, reason, and focus on being as being. Few get at this as good as Paul in Romans.

>For we know that the law is spiritual,(S) but I am of the flesh,[c] sold(T) as a slave under sin.(U) 15 For I do not understand what I am doing,(V) because I do not practice what I want to do,(W) but I do what I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 So now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh.(X) For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it. 19 For I do not do the good that I want to do, but I practice the evil that I do not want to do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, I am no longer the one that does it, but it is the sin that lives in me. 21 So I discover this law:[d](Y) When I want to do what is good,[e] evil is present with me. 22 For in my inner self[f] I delight in God’s law,(Z) 23 but I see a different law in the parts of my body,[g](AA) waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?(AB) 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!(AC) So then, with my mind I myself am serving the law of God, but with my flesh, the law of sin.

Christ, the Logos, is the path to freedom because it is the portion of man (the "light" according to John,) that can fathom universal laws, cause and effect. Man lives within the circuit of cause and effect, but he can observe that which dictates the circuit. Freedom is contingent on the recognition of the Logos and participation in it. Otherwise you're forever driven by animal instinct, social conditioning, etc.

However, a big barrier to this being a motivator for modern men is that, fearing the loss of ground, they are fleeing from physicalism, including physicalists philosophy of mind. So they think themselves already free because the soul is made of magical substance and isn't dictated by their environment. But ala Berkeley, you can reject ontological idealism and still accept physicalism as a predictive schema for how being works.

>>19824283
>This reality is so bizarre to me and I really do not understand where it is coming from. I'm 24, 5'10", no career, maybe a 6-7/10, and charismatic. I have ZERO issues having relationships with hot women. And since I'm on this shithole, I obviously have mental issues as well
>What are you guys doing wrong? Do any of you actually ask out women?

>>19825529
Plus, I just dislike Evola because he leads people to use the word metaphysics as a stand in for "serious thinking stuff bro," instead of the study of being qua being it is normally defined as.

So you get /lit/ discussion of metaphysics you click into and it's a bunch of random shit, not nominalism v realism, modality, time, parts/wholes, indeterminacy, ontological status of the external, etc.

But it also seems like people getting into idealism, where the parts that made it work have been axed, also is a bad substitute for post-modernism. Not to mention there are workable post-modern solutions like various pragmatic systems (e.g. evolutionary espistemology, harm principal based ethics, etc.).

>>19825556
The issue I have with Evola haters like you is that you refuse to look past his nonsense, and focus instead on his sound advice. He's still right if you cut off his magic bullshit, but people that shit to discredit him because he's essentially advocating to revolt against the dominant narrative which is bad business for people in power, and too dangerous for conflict-averse faggots.

Everyone has bullshit. Nobody is capable to land 100% coherent bullshit-free advice, which is why you must take what's good and leave the rest behind.

>>19821548
this is one area where houllebeqc (wellbeck) is not blackpilled enough

>>19824283
Share your secrets anon
>>19821643
It’s Instagram. That’s it. Biggest flesh market. Easy to access

>>19821548
mark fisher:capitalist realism
article related
https://www.alluvium-journal.org/2021/06/04/lay-down-and-rot-incels-and-lost-futures/

>>19824283
You’re a normal gag and we aren’t, that’s it.

>>19822633
I was reading this cosmopolitan about women who hooked up with their coworkers, and what really struck me (and I wasn't looking for this or anything I just happened to notice it) was that in every single case the man was a senior to her, either in time at the company, or position. No examples where the woman was in a higher position, and even more surprisingly no examples where they were equal.
That's what hypergamy is, so of course you're gonna see ordinary looking women men with girlfriends. You seem to think it's like a guy dressed in gold outfit walking around with a entourage of ghetto or homeless looking women behind him.

>>19821643
>An old rich ugly scrooge gets more top tier pussy
I really wish that were true anon cuz even big billionares like bezos or gates are of no match to handsome & tall billionares or millionares like elon musk, leo dicaprio, etc..

>>19821677
Villar literally banked on incels and most likely never believed what she said. Her prose was trash too.

>>19825672
>>19824283
>>19825541
>>19825594
Normalfags are too stupid to notice trends, and also have a tendency to play up their numbers. He's probably fucked like 3-15 chicks and thinks he's a player who knows shit.

>>19825331
>>19825496
i don't think you know what hypergamy means lol
The sex rate could have a 1% difference and every woman in the world could still be in a hypergamous relationship with a man. Actually it could have 0% difference and every women could be in a hypergamous relationship.

>>19821548
ultra realistic VR is the final solution to the incel question. everyone knows this is true, but unfortunately we are in the awkward position of waiting for the technology to catch up with the social demand. until that point comes in the next few decades, things will only get worse.

>>19824283
>I am above average in looks and charismatic
>I have ZERO issues having relationships with hot women.
Whoa no way dude, thats crazy

>>19821548
Attention
I hate incels
Thank you for your attention

>>19823019
God, this is so depressing
I'm so lonely, I just want a relief

>>19825581
No, I think that's exactly the right sentiment to have.

Philosophy is full of total ass pulls that are nonesense. The social organization of Plato's Republic is retarded in many aspects ("hurr, don't play music I don't like"). Aristotle has some hilarious attempts at science that go wrong. Spinoza has the monad stuff. Hegel has some God-awful trainwreck prose and bad ideas mixed in with pure genius.

The bigger issue I found with Crowley and Evola was that the good content was generally things that others had expressed with less bullshit, in better terms, before them. There is nothing wrong with synchretic systems, but there is a risk of creating incoherence when you're just pull shit together.

The other problem is that the whole wave of late 19th century early 20th century esoteric writers had a very big problem with tending to pull from various mystical /esoteric traditions, the wisdom of the East, Kabbalah, etc. simply to coat their new systems with a patina of authority.

There is nothing wrong with borrowing ideas. Hegel's dialectical, and his ontology is obviously inspired by Behemism. It's using Boehme's mystical insight as a way of framing the ontological necessity of aspects of reality. However, it doesn't pretend to be Behemism at all, and it is a substantial transformation. But since esoteric writers want to draw on the authority of whatever system they are claiming to represent, you will get something more like "X is the essence of Y mystical tradition," and generally these are gross simplifications.

Sort of akin to Joseph Campbell on myths. He has an "explain it all" system that can tie disparate traditions together, but it's only because it goes in knowing what it wants to find. But then the authority of the mythical tradition becomes grounds for supposing the psychological argument has some necissary truth, when it fact it is the psychological argument driving the analysis, what gets included in the narrative, and so that should be vetted by itself.

>>19825723
No it couldn't, not with real world SES distributions. If women are all chosing mates based on status it doesn't explain how most low SES men end up married. Nor does it explain lower SES men having more not less partners.

Why even attempt to have a partner when there's someone better than you around the corner ready to cuck you? The only possible scenario in which both you and your girlfriend would be happy is if you are god. Absolutely no weaknesses.

>>19826074
>If women are all chosing mates based on status it doesn't explain how most low SES men end up married.
do they get married in the current dating scene m8?in the past yeah, but now?

Modern incel relationships should be like that:

Incel stays at home, keeps the house up, does chores, raises the kids.
Girl is the breadwinner, females are nowadays more educated than men, fucks chad on the side.

Everyone wins.

>>19826240
Male psychology is simply not adapted to that lifestyle.
Even in the age of condoms and reliable paternity tests men get murderously jealous and don’t want to share their woman. Male psychology has not had time to adapt to this new development.

>>19826293
>paternity tests
don't paternity testing services get bribed by women who may promise paying them with their divorce settlements later?
what about governments that interfere in this?Countries like france makes it quite difficult for fathers to get paternity tests done, as should be expected as french women love the big german & dutch cock.

>>19826240
why would the higher status woman want shitty incel genes for her offspring? unless you are implying that the incel raises chad's kid for him while begging for crumbs of pussy, but then I don't see why he would agree to that. your arrangement doesn't make much sense for any of the parties involved.

>>19826240
The incel does this shit to himself, he deserves no right to bitch.

>>19826655
oh yeah m8, the average ricecel or currycel definitely wanted to be short and ugly.
https://www.documentarystorm.com/short-and-male/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG05ePWRQE

>>19826681
Just get jacked and make money, no excuses.

>>19826690
Ok

>>19826722
Being short doesn't even matter dude

>>19826757
>he doesn't know about physiognomy

>>19826757
Sorry but this is turbocope. Height and dick size are hugely important. 5’7” guy with 5 inch dick can buy himself a hot wife but he will never have her love and respect.

>>19825807
fug

>>19826770
I'm 165 cm.
When I was younger at least 10 woman confessed to me or had confirmed feeling about me, but I was too lazy, insecure and gay to do anything about it, I explicitly rejected most of them.
I think I have some charisma and average boyish looks (that are fading away) but my dick is extremely small and ugly

Height it's a mere inconvenience, not a death sentence.

>>19826864
>When I was younger at least 10 woman confessed to me or had confirmed feeling about me
what was ur age back then?

>>19826885
between 16 and 20, I'm 25.

>>19825331
>80% of men have had at least one marriage by age 40.

Sounds like a horseshit stat.

>>19826897
>between 16 and 20
were u cute or good looking but in a feminine way, idk someone like bieber or the k-pop twinks?

>>19826074
>If women are all chosing mates based on status it doesn't explain how most low SES men end up married

Marriage is a bad proxy for access to pussy. There's probably billions of people who are technically married but never even give each other a hug let alone put dicks in vaginas.

>>19821548
All talk about the rise of inceldom and hypergamy is at times quite derivative and ends up becoming pseudo-intellectual babble. I don't think it's far off that these exist however. In fact I think it's very real. The people who got it right was Houellebecq and the incels themselves. Their solutions may not be the answer but they have provided insight on what's really going on at least at the fundamental standpoint. Anyone who denies the incels pov will be the same who will deny there own failures in relationships.

>>19826794
Your post is pure life-denying conjecture. You're literally more obsessed with penis than the average woman.

>>19826945
Or maybe it's you that's full of life-affirming nonsense and can't handle the reality that women care a lot more about looks than you think they do.

Working class men are out because now they've built the modern world there's no use for them. Women are status obssessed narcissists. Modern women's issues can be boiled down to wanting all the benefits of being sexually attractive with none of the detriments. Women trying to get their cake & eat it per usual by shaming & using social media to put the pressure on.

>>19826924
Not really.
Medium build, able to grow a beard very early, above average body hair, long hair.
psychically, the only uncommon characteristic I have it's the color of my eyes and beard, and that's only consider attractive because here in Chile, it's uncommon, and in my opinion it's not even a game changer.
I honestly don't know what did they saw on me besides my fabricated charm.
So yeah in my case, neither height or looks matter that much. although I lack the knowledge to be 100% sure

>>19827051
>the only uncommon characteristic I have it's the color of my eyes
greenish blue eyes?caucasoid features?

>>19826963
You were talking about dick size. Dicks are ugly and women don't obsess over them like men obsess over pussy.

Of course women care about looks. But not to the extent that incels theorize. Sociological studies indicate that most people end up with partners who are similar to them in intelligence and attractiveness. Those findings are much better supported than the incel "hypergamy" conjecture. The fact that the average american sleeps with 5 people or less is especially damning to that unscientific line of thought. In short. Touch grass, lift some weights, touch pussy, in that order.

This whole topic depresses me.

>>19827104
Do other men obsess over pussy? Do men really think "oh god look at that beautiful pussy"? They're quite ugly too imo.
I understand a nice pair or breasts or a butt but the looks of the actual pussy? It's not something I really care to see much, outside of the, you know, secrecy of it. Doesn't really have aesthetic value on its own.

Fuck mods for deleting the other incel thread

>>19827104
>The fact that the average american
b4 online dating and resurgence of feminism & female empowerment went mainstream?perhaps yes, but in the last 4-6 things are certainly not looking good for an average man m8.Infact, sexless marriage b4 the 4-6 years among ur average everyday couples was really common, cuz hey y should a woman waste her energy and time harbouring children of an average looking 'genetically subpar man'?

>>19827104
Here in Norway a study was done it found that Norwegian women were more likely to marry a high status male that had kids from a previous marriage than a man that had lower status and wealth but no children. In other words, indications that women are naturally polygamous as long as it benefits them too.

So women are definitely hypergamous, and while I can agree that incels perhaps overstate how hypergamous they are, it's just wrong to say they aren't.

>>19827124
Me too. I feel like it's a symptom of the end of the Western world desu.

>>19827173
I curse myself for being an ESL fag

>>19827180
>study
sauce it anon

>>19827167
Which one?

>>19827180
Link the study please. I'd like to look at it

>>19827194
The book club one.

>>19827080
Yes, green but no more "caucasoid" than the average.
JBW it's a myth

31khv, gave up a long time ago.

They don't want to deal with average men, they don't even see us as average, they see us as below average because of their fantasies/experience with the easy to access high status men, they would much rather date men 10-20 years older because of their life experience, they only want finished products despite being inexperienced and immature themselves. We're just not worth the effort, everything has to be exceptional and developed or it's worthless. At my age no woman wants to deal with inexperience. I'll probably hire a sex worker at some point, but it's clear relationships aren't going to happen for me.

>>19827191
>>19827195
Couldn't find it desu, it was in a news article but the link is dead. I guess you can just disregard what I said.

Incels rise up!

>>19827209
this its over

>>19827173
Your understanding of evolutionary psychology is on par with your grasp of english. People are more complicated than you're making them out to be.

>>19827209
Unironically find yourself a non-Western woman. I say this as a Slav living in America with American friends who've married Serbians, Ukrainians and Russians. Their worldview is much less distorted than the average Western woman. It gets memed a lot but stereotypes are largely rooted in truthful observations and anecdotes. You have to be careful for golddiggers of course but a large portion of them just want access to a better future and a place for their kids to grow up in that isn't rife with war and corruption. Don't knock it till you try it.

>>19827219
enlighten me, my sire

>>19825807
fag

Incels, you have nothing to lose —except your virginity— and everything to gain! Combat female hypergamy!

>>19827233
I plan on finding myself a ditzy Ukrainian qt, sage her from a life of sexual slavery from the Bratva some day.

>>19827271
Not really because globalisation goes both ways -- I'm unfuckable in America but turns out there's a girl in the philipines right now making $1.25 an hour that will find me alluring. Yeah she could cheat on me when we come to America, but so can hypergamic women get dumped for a younger girl, it's a gamble you have to take!

>>19827233
I'll look in to it anon

>>19826074
>married
You're fucking retarded

Incels are painfully right on this issue. Say this as a sex haver. The only reason I made it even despite being a no college degree loser is because im 6 foot and decently handsome

>>19821548
What ethnicity is she?

>>19827351
jewish

>>19822079
I disagree, entirely. However, I am not a raving /pol/tard, and honestly can't say what political system would work, especially on an economic level, but I digress.
Traditions in western society are what held together the nuclear family. Outside of left-wing extreme circles, most people support the nuclear family. It's proven that no sex before marriage leads to significantly lower divorce rates, and that the more partners you have, the more likely you are to become divorced.
There is a lot of merit to cultural traditions, especially in the west.

>>19827360

>>19827243
There's no key to decoding why people act the way they do? Psychology as a field is in it's infancy and the human brain is so absurdly complex that it's essentially a black box. We can only study behavour and suggest mechanisms behind it, but this too is a paradigm that leaves out as much as much as it adds in. The "why" of human behavour is such a massive question it's practically unanswerable by science.


Evolutionary psychology as a paradigm is pretty suspect, because there is little convincing evidence for it and no more will ever come to light unless we invent a time machine. And it cannot explain complex behaviors which makes it quite fucking usless in my opinion. Take an evolutionary psych perspective and try to explain why people are driven to make art. You cant.

The main mistake incels make, and this is a crucial error, is that you ignore the fact that learning exists. Women are not just machines that exist to create the most high quality offspring possible. Elanor rosch contributed an incredible amount to congitive psych and that woman never had children. Explain that. Oh wait, you fucking can't because your theory is fucking paper thin and a shitty disguise for a reactionary ideology. Literally one example and your shit falls apart.

>tfw impossible to not be an incel because of my fetishes
Cucked by life itself.

Women with degrees think they are entitled access to the best men, they're mentally drunk on status and cultural signifiers.

I think that these kinds of things exist as a form of self flagellation therapy for both the readers and the writers. They're upset with themselves that they've relied too much on cultural signifiers (ie taste in fashion, media, etc) to determine who is going to be a comfortable mate. It's psychologically painful when the idealized version of their person based on their surface level interests turns out to be an unreliable perception. However, it's damaging to their own self esteem to realize they failed to manage their own expectations with the romantic prospect who wears vans and reads murakami, so instead they assign the blame on the external concept they built up, spreading their newfound distrust of one person onto a larger segment of the population. I think most people want their equivalent mate, but these tirades written by men and women often have their own emotional immaturity buried within. Women who think they can spot Bad Men via various archetypes and taste markers will repeatedly find themselves duped by men who are good at manipulating such symbols.

Modern women's issues can be boiled down to wanting all the benefits of being sexually attractive with none of the detriments. Sure she only got the promotion because she was hot, but fuck you if you're not treating her like the smartest most talented person in the room. Sure she spent her 20's fucking guys 5 and 10 years older than her, but now that's she's on the other side of 30 and watching her male peers fuck college co-eds, it's problematic, toxic, and inappropriate. Of course she got to skip the line to the club because she's sexy and wearing a skimpy dress, but point that out to her and it's catcalling, sexual assault, toxic masculinity.

Social media & clown world in general has also put men dating younger women on blast. legal women can't "consent", it's all "power dynamics" now. women trying to get their cake & eat it per usual by shaming & using social media to put the pressure on.

>doze pew pills
wonder what she's taking

>>19822565
>another autistic “muh taqiyya” fag

>>19822619
Good.

>>19825807
I'm not risking it

No..... Moar females...... Moar

>>19825046
>imagine thinking "working on yourself" will get you a gf
Why wouldn't it? It just won't land you the 10/10 you dream about. But improving yourself can at least bump up who you qualify for by a point or two.

>>19827180
Women generally don't give a fuck so long as they get theirs, they don't even mind having to share. So long as they get theirs. It's overstated how hypergamous they actually are, but the reason this overstatement isn't true isn't because of women. If it were up to women every single out would be dating at least tiers above. It doesn't happen because it just isn't possible logistically. Yet.

>>19827104
end up with, yes
not that they choose
and it doesn't account for the time before they settle down, settling for what they can get. They fuck and date 3-5 points higher on attractiveness scale while young and there's no commitment. But when it comes time for who they end up with, they end up with someone similar to themselves (who I'm more than willing to bet is still higher than them, even if slightly)

None of this is new or denies females hypergamous nature. And on that note hypergamy has to do with status, not intelligence. So who gives a fuck if they end up with people similar in intelligence. Maybe in school that shit counts towards hypergamy but not in the real world.

>>19827444
>Social media & clown world in general has also put men dating younger women on blast. legal women can't "consent", it's all "power dynamics" now.
Yeah this is the newest thing I see often, a 25 year old dating a 19 year old girl should be illegal and shit like that. It''s so obviously coming from a place of sheerr seething jealously. The worst are the girls who actually admit that yeah they had a bf that was like 25 way back when they were 17 or 19. Those are the ones that serioulsy try to have their cake and eat it too. The ones who never got that (because they were too socially inept or ugly or whatever) at least they aren't completely hypocrites.

>>19825046

I'm 5'11 with a good face but grew up with abusive parents, I was a social pariah who could never get a haircut, own a phone, or wear normal clothes until I landed my first job. Never had a gf or more than a couple friends and am in my mid 20s. I am so depressed I can barely string together a sentence anymore. Imagine instead of being ugly, getting brutally disenfranchised for reasons out of your own control

>>19827777
you can go to a bar and get a gf easily
if not then you're not as attractive as you think

>>19827811

"Going to a bar" in the shit hole town I live in means picking up a fat alcoholic bitch with a smoker's voice. And I'm too fucking tired to socialize effectively

>>19827819
by bar i mean wherever the fuck young girls hang out and get drink

>>19827378
>Take an evolutionary psych perspective and try to explain why people are driven to make art. You cant.
a by-product of hyper exploratory behaviour that seemingly rewarded those who exercised that instinct to it's fullest and ended up passing on those genes?An example could be the discoverers of the new world, the first primates who played with fire, etc..It's obviously a very risky trait to possess and can easily get u killed if u explore in the wrong area, but it could also be extremely rewarding if u find or stumble across something entirely new and useful.
> Elanor rosch never had children. Explain that.
Anon, some if not many human traits in a given population are normally distributed.U're bound to have outliers and u can't do much about it, except maybe culling the outliers in every generation so as to decrease the variance.
>she contributed an incredible amount to congitive psych.
So did people like noether, Lisa Randall et all in other fields.Dude these females are borderline males, and possibly autistic, which is y having children does not seem to be their first priority.They seem to be far more masculine than ur average MtF tranny.They're OUTLIERS.

>>19827829

My plan is to move back to my college town after saving some money and finish my degree and get a real job before it's too late "social expectations" force me to lash out or kill myself

>>19821710
requesting the image of the /fit/guy fucking that slampig that was bringing her slurp drink over to make this anon discard his theory

>>19825496
>>19825529
>>19825556
Fairly coherent explanation of this. I’m unsatisfied with macroeconomic explanations as many incels are extremely young and from prosperous families. They have the means and the time to be sexually successful. Inceldom seems to come from ideological grounds and not material ones, and it is doubtlessly because sex is a status symbol among young men. Those young men (and women) who can survive long stretches of loneliness usually do so for a greater goal. Maybe that’s why you see incels coming from the middle class. They’re too young to have a career and the lives of middle-class americans are highly tracked (high school —> college —> job) and highly competitive

>>19827951
>many incels are extremely young and from prosperous families
kek, that's a bad b8
>They have the means and the time to be sexually successful.
a tiny minority, rich enough to afford cosmetic surgeries and who can actually have tangible gains-say growing to 6'2 from 5'8, can become successful; be it in career, relationships, etc..

>>19822093
kek, gif has been saved

>>19824515
Like 2 sides of the same coin.
/thread

My issue with the whole situation (well, one among several) is that women are practically more sexually free than ever to do as they please, but they still keep up the pretense that they're shamed or marginalized for being promiscuous. It's just dishonest.

>>19822633
I don't see it.

>>19827948
I got this for you, lookmatch of 2020

>>19828080
cute couple

>>19825807
Fag

>>19828080
Damn she's big
Bet she'd eat his shit with a smile if he asked

>>19828080
High test af

>>19825807
fag

>>19828080
I will never forgive guys that pull this shit.

>>19828108
Most likely vice versa

>>19825807
die

>>19825807
Incels are the future. They are a revolutionary subject. I've studied revolutions, trust me. The incel uprising is nigh at hand.

>>19828333
How I make money off it?

>>19828340
promising them IVG, artificial wombs, cheap surrogacy, cheap cosmetic surgeries, etc..

>>19827351
French https://twitter.com/lil_purrmaid

Asian women will love you deep deep if you have money.

>>19825807
Like the Chinese guy

>>19825807
cunt

>>19825807
no

>>19825807
take your meds

>>19827840
Literally all cojecture. There's no way to prove what you're saying is true. You might as well not say it. Congats on completing a statistics course btw but I belive they teach you the reasonable limits of probablistic thinking in those.
>>19827738
Evidence?

>>19826240
If this how the family is going to look like?

>>19828043
Don't see what?

it's kinda cringe to call these 'virgin losers for life' as incels.
A better name could be invir, or better inveer.It has a much more masculine and aggressive energy attached to it.

>>19829134
Incel has tranny energy though which adds injury to insult

>>19825807
Negroid

>>19829140
>Incel has tranny energy
because it was named by a woman?

>>19829171
You mean a man?

>>19829176
no, a literal XX woman.

>>19825556
>use the word metaphysics as a stand in for "serious thinking stuff bro," instead of the study of being qua being it is normally defined as.
Yes, because people actually prefer serious, grounded thought to speculating about conceptual nonsense which has its only basis in linguistic and logical problems.

>>19827819
>means picking up a fat alcoholic bitch with a smoker's voice.
Beggars can't be choosers.

>>19824633
He's trying to decouple being handsome with being healthy or intelligent, and cites a handful of studies to that end. But women seek handsome men because that is their biological teleology; it is a pure, vitalist essence they're looking for, not just psychometric parameters hiding behind a beautiful face.

>>19823301
It is true. These are strange times.

>>19825694
>most likely never believed what she said.
Why do you think so?

>>19828080
I seriously hate this guy.

>>19822828
>men are just predicting cheating or divorce and just dropping out instead
I don't even begin.

>>19828080
americans by any chance?

>>19823301
>Nobody out there wants to even make eye contact with another human being, let alone talk to them and certainly not make a new friendship.
I got a phonenumber from a girl just the other day (she won't give me her pussy though).
You must be ugly or completelly uncharismatic.

>>19823301
What they classify as mental illness today, will be the normal behavior in 20 years. YOU will be the mentally ill one, locked in an asylum for wanting to talk to someone in person...

>>19828108
>>19828155
>>19829692

That's the reason why she's with him.

He doesn't treat her bad because she's less attractive than what conventional media depicts as average attractive woman. She is made to feel valuable as those coom-goals.

Just fuck standards and you'll be mentally healthier.

>>19829855
I have annihilated my standards and girls still aren't attracted to me. Jesus, I'm not nearly as fat as that chick. I might as well kill myself.

>>19829875
>girls still aren't attracted to me. Jesus, I'm not nearly as fat as that chick. I might as well kill myself.

Don't, here's my post from a different thread that I think applies here.

Eat better (go through the pain of breaking your addiction to bad foods)

And then after you eat and shit better.. start doing little bits of body weight exercises like mastering the heel-down squat and plank to songs you like.

You can start socializing for intimacy-gratifying friends. (Like, platonic women/men friends that will talk about deep life issues with you and trade hugs with you). And then you can start considering sex.

But I guess a sexless life alienates you from the perspective that sex is the same regardless of looks league like a normie and you double down on being an outsider from pride.

>>19821643
Nothing you say disproves the importance of hypergamy. You're just basically saying that women's hypergamous instincts can be culturally conditioned.

>>19830149
I have actually had sex before if that changes anything. I had a successful run from when I was 20-22. Now I'm thirty and I haven't had any sexual contact in nearly 8 years.

>>19830202
Take some psychedelics or meditate and read that post again out loud with your ego shrunk a little and brain plasticity boosted.

>>19830244
I am the same age, expecting my first kid.

I went through rehab after nearly crashing my car and ruining my relationship. Now I discovered meditation on a level I take seriously and stop smoking cigarettes, stopped drinking, stopped cannabis, no more hard drugs and I had set a new years resolution that I will never take out my frustrations on a single living soul no matter how pissed I get.

Idk if my short story gives you any encouragement. But I used to be anxious about being alone with my own thoughts. I have severe intrusive thoughts but I have been getting a good handle on it with CBT, talk therapy, daily breathwork meditation and good diet.

I tried psilocybin mushrooms again in the middle of my out patient treatment and I feel like I'm getting the same kind of benefits when I meditate.

Idk if it's self-fulfilling desires or confirmation bias but I feel like if I can move along that vector of brain-change with meditation, I can get the benefits of psychedelics way past what I can achieve with psychedelics (since one can't develop a tolerance like you can with psychedelics).

Tl;Dr, just be at peace with your situation no matter how shitty and if you love life and self improve, you'll attract people that you'll appreciate eventually.

>>19830149
Or you go somewhere else where women are easier AND better
And you let those trash die out
Nothing is free
Why should we do this to get what ? a used up whore ?
I want a virgin

Western civilization is reaching a crisis point where it is simply unable to reproduce itself into the future. The changes in mating behavior in recent decades is an expression of deeper socioeconomic factors. Given the death of the extended and nuclear families as institutions combined with stagnant wages and rising inflation and cost of living, the expenses of housing and childrearing have risen to become astronomical for most people, which is to say nothing of the risk of divorce and child custody laws having basically demolished marriage, or even the general toxicity of the ideology and culture. Young people today are comparitively more impoverished with fewer rights or prospects than Medieval serfs. To have a child as a minimum wage worker in our society is to basically condemn one's own offspring to starve to death in darkness. So who would have a child? capitalism has raised the cost of entry to future generations so high that the lower classes are basically priced out of continued existence and everyone sees the writing on the wall or at least senses what it says and so is scrambling to get away from that bottomless pit. That has resulted in almost comical hypergamy among women and hypercompeditiveness among men in the sexual marketplace combined paradoxically with the total decoupling of sex from marriage or reproduction, essentially resulting in the institution of polygamy but in a strange sterile and promiscuous form never really seen in history. Basically the entire society has embraced the death instinct and is destroying itself at full speed. I'm surprised they aren't erecting statues of Moloch. The bright side of this is that societies that fail to reproduce themselves are inevitably replaced by societies that do. History is a self-correcting process.

>>19830364
What will replace us? Islam. I hope Islam and not something even worse.

>>19830245
I see. I guess we're in agreement.
>>19830364
>The bright side of this is that societies that fail to reproduce themselves are inevitably replaced by societies that do.
Who else is going to out-reproduce whites? If you live in the modern West, your group's birthrate will eventually fall. This can be seen with blacks and mestizos in America, and it can also be seen with Muslims (who are predominantly non-white) who live in the West and become liberalized.

>>19830364
good i hope those whore get genocided and forever
i can't to have a laugh when there will be millions of childless miserable roasties

>>19830364
>>19830393
>>19830414
whatever comes next so long as women are knocked back down to where they belong or worse I consider it a success

>>19821677
she's not wrong

>>19825659
stop mentioning that faggot

>>19821557
>>19824515
Hippieism was proto incelism, and feminism is incelism for women. Don't buy it? Consider the whole idea of body positivity, not as a vague platitude but in regard sot what specific body type is used as the body type that is meant to be freed from unfair biases (usually a fat women who isn't conventionally attractive). Imagine an incel version of this, but with the fat ugly bastards troupe being the thing incels wish to make "beautiful". Fits, doesn't it? They took different routes, but they are ultimately made from the same stuff. The incel industrial complex is out to get you. Every time you think about rejecting the drive to better yourself, it is the incel industrial complex trying to break you.

>>19830202
Pol Pot basically solved this by not allowing women to marry outside their "class distinction"

>>19821548
>>19823019
Isn't it ironic that the webm in the thumbnail of a thread about "Hypergamy" depicts a snippet from a video produced by a single woman with a dildo emulating a traditional heterosexual fantasy.

>>19829804
>I got a phonenumber from a girl just the other day
Do people even need a phone number nowadays? Like, isn't all you need is a person's social media? I have never been in a relationship and haven't made a new acquaintance in at least 4 years so i wouldn't know

>>19825807
Me too.

>>19828080
>used to lift. I was more dyel than the guy but was in pretty good shape
>got matched on tinder with who agreed to come to my house and turned out to be much fatter than pics shown (she had exactly the body of pic rel)
>not that I have been with many girls but, best sex of my life

>>19830414
You are already seeing the fruit of that tree friend. Go to any dating site and look at late 30's women and how they are under the impression they can still have that baby. Its pitiful to say the least...

>>19825331
>96% of men and 98% of women have had sex by aged 30. 80% of men have had at least one marriage by age 40.
How would they know?

>>19828080
Ponder that architecture...

>>19830658
Phone number is a step up from social media. She's probably got a load of dudes sending her DMs on insta but if you got her number she's sure to reply when you send her a message.

>>19829996
only good post itt. this man is light years ahead.

>open thread
>third post is a wall of text
>scroll down
>huge quotes
>scroll down
>posts with a dozen replies
>scroll down
>women hate posts
>scroll down
>coomer bait pics
>scroll down
>philosophy
>scroll down
>niche book recommendations

yeah... this is gonna be a good thread...

>>19824633
very interesting channel, I agree with everything he says.

from a catholic perspective this is a very deep argument for the incarnational nature of "original sin", interestingly. I can see why Christianity is viewed a "slave morality" but essentially the game he's arguing for is indubitable nasty, brutish and short. just because something is "natural" does not mean it is "good", due to our corrupted natures. how can anyone say a species with violent intrasexual conflict, constant raping of women in a way which pleases their hypergamous instinct, and hence a perpetually disenfranchised male underclass is "good"? societies without monogamy and marriage (parts of sub saharan africa, traditionally) arguable have this paradigm in place still. "war is good bro!". go cut your leg off then, since pain is neutral. "well I would've been born a mogger". what if you were born with one limb? should you just die? should you be human sacrificed, as was common pre-christianity? civilization is not natural, and that is why it works.

>>19828080
Hate this.

Just try to get rich so you can compete niggas

>>19821682
9thpostbestpost
Whatever is an excellent book which a shitty title as >>19821815 >>19821847 said.
The movie is also quite good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfxgB0_IUoI

>think this for awhile
>focus autism energy on getting handsome and ripped
>realize most people are dyel and ugly as shit
>realize "chad" usually marries some ugly whore or some girl below him that loves him
>all of the "hot" girls are gold-diggers and status chasers

Perception is everything.

>>19831167
He’s playing a character for views brother.

>>19832099
This
You kicked me when I was down, now you come crawling to me when I’m on top?
You didn’t love me back then and you don’t love me now, you only live my money!
You don’t deserve me, whore!

>>19831167
>just because something is "natural" does not mean it is "good"
I agree, though humans are a unique species as well. Not only are we merely parts of nature, we are also reasonable and can come to ethical conclusions. Nature gave these things to us. Nature is reasonable and ethical through us.
>how can anyone say a species with violent intrasexual conflict, constant raping of women in a way which pleases their hypergamous instinct, and hence a perpetually disenfranchised male underclass is "good"?
These things are despicable though that does not mean that the species as a whole is bad.
>civilization is not natural, and that is why it works.
Humans are parts of nature and therefore it is not unnatural. Beavers build dams, ants builds colonies, and humans build cities/civilizations

>>19825807
Ok..

>>19832099
Not sure what in the world is supposed to be contrary here.
We could have told you all this. We did tell you all of this
>realize "chad" usually marries some ugly whore or some girl below him that loves him
Yes this is called hypergamy. No clue what makes you think they're not status chasers too.

>realize most people are dyel and ugly as shit
Yeah, and the ugly whores that would be getting matched up with them are being taken by chad, as you yourself noted. And the "hot" girls aren't touching them with a ten foot pole either. Which brings to the rise of inceldom.

So we have your big realization be that we live in an Age of Hypergamy and the Rise of Inceldom. You could have found all that out with far less effort and time of you just listened.

>>19832411
Not really. You just choose to not improve your self above others

>>19821548
Hypergamy is just the same thing as letting women have a choice. Any age where women have liberties is an age of hypergamy. Simple as that.

>>19826794
>your brain on porn

>>19830545
>Imagine an incel version of this, but with the fat ugly bastards troupe being the thing incels wish to make "beautiful".
A more appropriate analogy would be "weak" men who wish to make their lack of merit into something that women should find attractive. lack of assertiveness, competency and social graces is far worse for a man than being fat or ugly

>>19821851
Funny, I just had the same experience

>>19821548
Gravity's Rainbow

>>19825413
>nobody other than the group I dislike could possibly disagree with me
>therefore everyone that does must be of said group
How do you manage to find your way onto a literature board, anon?

>>19825046
>you have to be tall and have a nice face that's it.
"no"

>>19827811
Are you currently in a relationship, anon?

>>19822364
>A ... society will naturally hate the people at the bottom because a ... society says that [it is just] which means that if you're at the bottom of it, it's your own fault for making bad decisions, hence everyone is justified in hating you.
FTFY

>>19822403
>Yeah there are people who still breed, but there's a substantial population who's childless and will die childless because the culture allowed it to happen.
Do you base that on any numbers?

>>19821548
Wild thread anons.
Anyway
>Have Sex