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Have I just been memed into thinking that lots of people here believe such pulp? Is it just an elaborate scheme to fool redditors into not visiting?
If not, then how did you fool yourself into believing it?
There are thousands of interpretations, yet all of them eventually end up sounding completely insane.
How is it not a disgusting, dishonest and untrue ideology, disproven even before it existed? Seems as though even children with the most basic questions are able to shake it's flimsy answers to ruin
Whenever anyone speaks of finding any solace in this I am always skeptic. They inevitably end up sounding like greasy Arab merchants trying to dupe you into buying shitty, half broken souveniers.

>> No.19814539

Philo's collected works are surprisingly cheap for anyone looking for the original allegorical-mystical approach to the Bible. Get Origen and McGinn's anthology of Christian mysticism too, it has a beginning section on biblical allegorical mysticism.

>> No.19814582

>>19814509
No matter how deluded and removed from reality you think it is, no matter how repugnant and ignoble you think it is, you cannot deny that it must have some sort of pull, since it managed to convince all of Europe, including its intelligentsia, for the better part of two millenia and became the foundational text of the world's largest religion. The world's second largest religion is more of the same, although it rejects the book.

>> No.19814597

>>19814509
Aquinas and duns scotus

>> No.19814635

>>19814509
It's just /pol/tard tourists doing all they know how to do. Nobody takes self-proclaimed Christcucks on 4chan seriously. Anyone deriving pleasure from posting to 4chan, a degenerate Taiwanese hentai site, is evidently not a Christian of any conviction. Notice how there are so few Muzzies on 4chan? That's real conviction.

>> No.19814645

>>19814582
There was never any convincing of the intelligentsia. Christianity initially spread by breeding, Christian women having many kids and raising them in the new religion. Once it was dominant there was never any real debate about the truth or logic behind the ideas, until the 20th century, when the religion fell like a house of cards once questions were being asked.

>> No.19814652

>>19814582
Convince them?
It didn't convince them, not the vast majority of them.
They were born and it was instilled in them from infancy to believe. As they grew, not understanding much anything as children, they were told to believe. When they were schooled they were told to believe. Years went by with it's dogma drilled into their minds, there was no need to convince them of anything. And when they were able to make rational decisions, and they were to question even the slightest things, they were met with resistance from their entire community

>> No.19814662

>>19814645
>until the 20th century
The Christnigger's intellectual insecurity was on display centuries before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
>the Roman Inquisition tried Galileo in 1633 and found him "vehemently suspect of heresy" sentenced him to house arrest where he remained until his death in 1642.[2] At that point, heliocentric books were banned and Galileo was ordered to abstain from holding, teaching or defending heliocentric ideas after the trial.

It was all downhill from there.

>> No.19814677

>>19814509
It seems like you're doing a very shallow surface reading with a worldly lack of spirit and have not even begun to see the layered depths. It seems you may also be unaware of the connections between its truths and your own inner condition. In many ways this is understandable because the world is a very powerful draw and illusion. You are in Babylon.

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>>19814677
>It seems like you're doing a very shallow surface reading with a worldly lack of spirit and have not even begun to see the layered depths. It seems you may also be unaware of the connections between its truths and your own inner condition. In many ways this is understandable because the world is a very powerful draw and illusion. You are in Babylon.

>> No.19814713

>>19814652
My point is that Christianity won over paganism. Not just in a few instances, but so much that it took over a continent. The same continent that would go on to rule over all the other continents. It convinced Roman Emperors and Germanic Chieftains, it convinced the people, it even convinced some of the philosophers.
And I mention the intelligentsia because it is never beholden to the opinions of the masses. Well perhaps the majority are, but those people who we remember in the history books. All those philosophers, they were daring and did question things. People who are much smarter than anyone here by far, were genuinly convinced of Christianity.

>> No.19814742

>>19814713
>Christianity won over paganism
by assimilating it in Pauline desperation

>> No.19814752

>>19814652
Conditioning is a hell of a trip and its instilled reactions have everything to do with time. Take guilt: we would all like to believe guilt is related to empathy. That it stems from projecting ourselves into the shoes of our victim. Guilt is however an extrapolated fear response. It is not a noble response to correct a bad behavior but a precaution to avoid revenge from the victim. Monkey brain is warning you with the bad feeling we call guilt that if you piss off the other monkeys sometime in the future they might just fucking kill you. Religion twists all of our natural responses through a gilded filter to make them seem noble or larger than life. It does serve a purpose to make life a more rich experience, but the cost is truth and also most religions contain self serving dogma as a feature not a flaw. Corrupt self interest is not endemic to religious thought it is a phenomenon where religions that include wealth extraction techniques, conquest, and power gatekeeping end up being the dominant religions. Similarly to how cheap pos fast food franchises dominate with cost cutting measures over barely profitable higher quality passion businesses.

My larger point being that it is very complicated to untangle the messages your primitive brain is sending you when it processes an experience. Religion gives you a framework to not have to do your own thinking. You stole someone's possession and feel bad. Religion calls that feeling guilt. It's actually just naked fear wearing fancy clothes.

>> No.19814753

>>19814662
God, so misleading. Do you do it on purpose?

>However, originally Pope Urban VIII had been a patron to Galileo and had given him permission to publish on the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a hypothesis, but after the publication in 1632, the patronage broke.[4]

>Historians of science have made numerous interpretations of the affair.[2][5][6][7]

Galileo broke the rules. Worse, he published a book of smartypants vs. retard, where retard was the Pope, the fricking head of state. Word used was "simplicio" I believe i forget my Italian.

Notice the fact there were multiple interpretations by historians. It also evades many things, like how the Pope still, despite officially losing his patronage, provided him pen and paper to continue writing. Look up books from Galileo and check how many are after 1632. Ah, he was also given fancy quarters in some papal tower.

Also last but not least, Galileo more hurt than helped the Copernican hypothesis. Fine, he was good at physics and stuff, but he was ass at astronomy. His arguments were beyond brainlet tier and was closed off from corrections.

Part of the reason is that the star movements were just as weird under his theory. Well, not his, it was by that monk Copernicus, but what he fanatically supported. Thing is he was close, but wrong. Orbits were NOT circular, but oval.

By the evidence of the time, Galileo's theory went against it all, and no serious scientist respected his books. What fit better but still not quite was the old view (gotten from the Ancient Greeks not the Bible, btw). Guy should have stuck with what he knew and not make an ass of himself and hurt scientific progress on the way.

And most especially he shouldnt have published a book where he called his patron, the head of state, a retard.

>> No.19814763

>>19814662
Aha, scroll down to "Modern Views" in your wikipedia (barf) article. It mentions some of what I've written.
Wikipedia again contradicts itself on the same page i hate that website.

>> No.19814784

>>19814752
Is this a copypasta from reddit I don't know about?

>> No.19814791

>>19814713
I cover this in my ramble but all religions are successful based around their ability to procreate. It's a pure numbers maxing game. Most successful religions have entire tracts dedicated to health and wellness rituals, hygiene, and food prep instructions. Religions that specifically mention procreation as a duty outbreed. Religions that promote conquest overpower. Religions that make monetary contribution compulsory also get an edge by becoming a secondary government entity hierarchy to climb. The fact is that desert religions have the most of these elements compared to pagan religions. These are not virtuous qualities they are merely the qualities that grow a corporation. Would anyone argue that insane cost cutting measures are virtuous because they grow the corporations who participate in them?

>> No.19814818

>>19814713
>My point is that Christianity won over paganism. Not just in a few instances, but so much that it took over a continent.
Did it? See how much syncretism there is in all parts of the Christian world

>> No.19814823

>>19814509
How many times have you read the bible

>> No.19814825

>>19814582
I have never understood the "pull". It has always seemed like complete nonsense to me despite having genuinely tried to understand it. I grew up in an orthodox family. Still thought it was bullshit as soon as I became old enough to understand what religion was.

>> No.19814830

>>19814825
The Bible, how many times have you read it

>> No.19814836

>>19814823
How many times had you read it before you became a Christian?

>> No.19814838

>>19814836
Don't answer my question with a question.

>> No.19814843

>>19814830
By myself, 1
Counting mass, no idea
It's all bullshit from start to finish. Only Ecclesiastes and some Psalms were good.

>> No.19814850

>>19814843
How many times have you read the Qu'ran?

How many times have you read the Chumash?

Do you understand Abraham?

>> No.19814851

>>19814753
This is such cope. Throw any historical fact at Christians and they'll go through absolutely insane mental gymnastics to end up with a narrative that somehow supports their worldview.
>>19814713
>People who are much smarter than anyone here by far, were genuinly convinced of Christianity.
Is this supposed to be an argument? Putting aside the fact that you're exaggerating, being very smart doesn't disqualify you from believing in stupid shit.

>> No.19814853

>>19814753
>pay a scientist
>he does science, rather than just become your mouthpiece
>seethe
lmao

>> No.19814859

>>19814850
What is your point? Just be straight about it instead of asking questions.
>Qu'ran
None, I grew up around devout Muslims, that was enough for me
>Chumash
No idea, I haven't read all parts of the Pentateuch simultaneously, some I've re-read more than the others.
>Abraham
Huh?
Just state your point, why is it so mind boggling to you that I just don't believe in all that shit

>> No.19814863

I just ordered a Bible and I can't wait to start reading it. I'm astounded I left such a large gap in my cultural and historical education for so long.

>> No.19814870

>>19814791
I wouldn't say that Abrahamic religions have more such elements. Sure, you have the command to be fruitful and multiply. This was given to Adam and Eve, but there has pretty much always been a positive attitude towards children in Christianity and the prior Judaism or whatever you want to call it. However, many of the pagan gods were associated with fertility. There is no such aspect in Christianity, except perhaps some saint. But that would be later on. More importantly, Christianity, the early variant of it at least, stresses celibacy. Children are a blessing, but the means to aquire them is inherently inferior to entierly abstaining from sex. This did not exist for the pagans. There wasn't this voice amongst them that said that it is better to not marry at all.
Regarding conquest, I think there was a cult of Alexander the Great, and look at how Achilles was idealized. Christianity was more pacifist, especially in the begining. It became more Hebrew due to the Germanic tribes converting .

>> No.19814874

>>19814859
>why do you find it mind boggling that I don't believe in all that shit?
Because it's your cultural inheritance. And to reject it is to reject your own being.

>> No.19814876

>>19814703
he's right tho, you're in babylon.

>> No.19814879

There are prophecies in there that have happened. All the references in Isaiah and Psalms to the coming Christ. The destruction of the temple, etc.

>> No.19814889

>>19814874
Nah, that's complete bullshit. I should be compelled to believe in the Bible because some of my ancestors did? That's retarded, why not be a Sumerian revivalist larpagan then since the overwhelming majority of my ancestors come from Mesopotamia?

>> No.19814891

>>19814874
Always hated this logic
His ancestors rejected their original pagan religions for christianity. They rejected their cultural inheritance. He inherited a grotesque middle eastern perversion of his culture.

>> No.19814894

>>19814876
Depressing how christians are often incapable of substantiating what they say and just resort to some variation of "you're wrong because the book says so and the book is true because it says so in the book"

>> No.19814896

>>19814853
>>he does science
thats a stretch
he got famous for shit not related to astronomy yet... just go skim through his heliocentric shit and laugh
also check the one that is a back and forth (i.e. strawman) of himself all smug against a character called "retard" that was full of quotes from the Pope's research. Indeed, the Pope was into this too and he actually financed his ass in good faith despite conflicting opinions (Pope believed in the current scientific consensus). 100% food, lodging, paper, materials. Then boom hey retard. Ugh.

The charges were excessive (verdict passed jury with 3-2) indeed but charged he should have been and banned from writing astronomy for the good of mankind and the grave of Copernicus-sama, like holy shit shut up, you arent an astronomer.

Well, I recall the charge was not from the Pope himself but straight from the prosecutors and all through the normal legal system, which would make sense as the Pope continued fully financing his research and giving a fancy big house until his death.

>> No.19814898

>>19814879
Never found that convincing. It's not like there's uncannily precise predictions, it's vague as shit

>> No.19814905

>>19814851
>Throw any historical fact at Christians and they'll go through absolutely insane mental gymnastics to end up with a narrative that somehow supports their worldview.
Mental gymnastics? This is a valid historical interpretation. Wiki itself says on the first section it has many historical interpretations my dude.
Also no rebuttal? I expected more from /lit/

>> No.19814912

>>19814905
>no rebuttal
I'm not the guy you were talking to and this isn't debate club. Just pointing out how frequent the "actually this historical event was interpreted completely incorrectly, here's the true and conveniently pro-Christian interpretation" thing happens.

>> No.19814919

>>19814912
>this isn't debate club
It should be.

>> No.19814921

>>19814919
This site is 18+

>> No.19814923

>>19814896
>he should have been and banned from writing astronomy
The christcuck answer to any and all dissenting views or inconvenient characters is to silence them. It's just a cult that got big enough to be called a culture.

>> No.19814928

>>19814894
the book doesnt say youre in babylon
which you know
if you read it

>> No.19814940

>>19814928
Where'd you get your ridiculous Babylon fear mongering then, disingenuous little faggot? We both know your entire worldview hinges on the Bible (or so you claim, most "Christians" here are just larping)

>> No.19814944

>>19814894
I'm not even a christian, although I very much sympathize with it (I am not because I don't see compeling evidence the supernatural stuff & that jesus was son of God). But I meant that we are in babylon, the world today is ridden with sin, and the message that jesus brings about love being donation of oneself is right on point. Chrisitianity is very much on point about everything related to how to behave.

>> No.19814949

>>19814662
>>19814923
the church was already moving to a heliocentric model
galileo threw a hissy fit and accused the pop of heresy when the ancient continent spanning organization didnt move as fast as he liked
ntm his arguements were garbage compared to others that already existed
sorry he had to spend the rest of life in a comfy mansion I guess

>> No.19814950

>>19814889
>>19814891
This is your curse to collect and atone for.
When you become blinded and ignorant of the world, return to your roots to understand again.

>> No.19814951

>>19814944
>Chrisitianity is very much on point about everything related to how to behave.
Like what exactly?

>> No.19814955

>>19814940
>I've read the Bible 0 times
Your ignorance is darkness and affects no one who sees light

>> No.19814957

>>19814923
>It's just a cult
I know this kind of claim gets a lot of shit for being a heckin' redditism but it's true. All the elements are there — disregarding intellect and inquiry if they don't conform to the "truths" of the book (in which case they're deception born from pride); systematic hostile dismissal of anything that goes against the acceptable worldview ("demons", "satanic deception"); assessing new data through the lens of your belief system without being capable of objective reevaluation ("this can't be true because it would go against Christianity", I recently saw a guy say this in reference to NDEs)
It's extremely pernicious and I have honestly no idea how so many intelligent people fall for it.

>> No.19814958

>>19814940
Continuing >>19814944:
See, for example, the way you seem to attack others with little reason to do so shows how much you sustain your beliefs in resentment. You don't need the bible to understand how resentment is bad for you, for that you can use your own life experience + neuroscience (check https://purityispossible.com/))

But the bible does say it:
> Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires. -James 1:19-20

>> No.19814963

>>19814851
>Is this supposed to be an argument? Putting aside the fact that you're exaggerating, being very smart doesn't disqualify you from believing in stupid shit.
I never said it wasn't stupid, I said that the teachings of Christianity and the Bible has some pull to it. This is evident because so many peoplewere convinced by it. There is some part of it that has appealed to billions of people. And not just retards either, but also many of history's greatest minds. It clearly has something going on, whatever you think of it otherwise.

>> No.19814965

>>19814955
I accept your concession.
Also your light is a lie, but you'll understand that in the future

>> No.19814966

>>19814940
the Christian tradition
passed down as a lived way of life for generations
>larping
as opposed to whatever you do on here, which is surely very authentic

>> No.19814970

>>19814958
>noooo you can't react with hostility to an obviously condescending, passive-aggressive shitpost
Please drop the self righteous act

>> No.19814973

>>19814950
What are you talking about? Christianity isn't my roots. It never felt like it either. I think I was around eight when I figured it made no sense to me at all. You're trying to make a round peg fit in a square hole or however the metaphor goes.

>> No.19814977

>>19814957
doesn't meet the academic standard of a cult, JW's maybe

>> No.19814978
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>>19814509
It's funny when atheists act so superior but most will just accept whatever the dominant culture tells them to accept.

>> No.19814980

>>19814965
provide a truth then
easy to play around and call 'larper' if you never stake any belief
>>19814970
>condescending, passive-aggressive
sad
you being in babylon is a genuine concern
you just cant see it otherwise

>> No.19814986

>>19814963
>It clearly has something going on
So do other religions, lest they die and become forgotten. Christianity and Islam are particularly successful because they proselytize a lot as opposed to most other religions.

>> No.19814990

>>19814951
> Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires. -James 1:19-20
> Do to others as you would like them to do to you. -Luke 6:31
> Don't sin by letting anger control you. Think about it overnight and remain silent. -Psalm 4:4
> Get rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you. -Ephesians 4:31-32

> And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. -Matthew 4:31-32


You don't even have to beleive in God to understand what is being said there. You mere have to have the capacity for abstract thinking.


These are just few examples, the bible goes deeply into the best solution there is to the multi-prisioner dilemma that is living in society.

>> No.19814998

>>19814912
Yeah this happens often.
Listen, I dont speak English natively. We get taught differently. Most Anglosaxon Protestants believe in crazy theories against Catholicism and Spain in particular.

OUT OF THE ANGLOWORLD we are NOT taught like you and do NOT believe the myths you do. Havent checked but the Galileo article likely has another tone altogether in othwr languages.

For example, genocide in the Americas. The English did genocide, but the Spaniards didn't. The fact WASPs see it the other way around is just propaganda that run all the way to today.
It went like this. The first dynasty in colonial times advocated equality. Look up the testament of Isabel the Catholic. The King actually sent Christopher Columbus to prison for mistreating natives. Same with the discoverer of the Pacific and a few other celebrities of the time.
The second ruling family, Habsburgs, were completely uninterested. The colonies were independent for all intents and purposes. They sent inspectors and charged 10% in tax iirc but it was mostly reinvested in the colonies where they built universities and roads and such. The first universities were from money from European Spain though iirc not colonial budget.

The third family, Bourbon, was bloody and violent. Higher taxes, imposing the teaching of Spanish, militarism. This also happened to be the only time were the natives actually revolted in, for example, the Incan Empire.
Indeed, not even minor revolts for 300 years all until the Bourbons.

However, no genocide. Kinda. e.g. in the Incan case the 2 revolts were put down by executing the involved nobles and their families. Maybe qualifies? Oh yeah, nobles. The Incan nobles kept their territories after the conquest and centuries after, Spain couldnt be arsed ruling it so they left it for self rule and minor taxing. Some unpopulated coastal areas were taken for settling though.

Now another myth of switches. Look up Spanish Inquisition executions and then the one for Protestant England's. Spoiler: Think a number and divide by 100, thats the Spanish Inq casualties. It was another complete switch, the vast vast VAST majority of Inquisition cases ended up with demanding a public apology. Thats it.

>> No.19814999

>>19814970
You can, but is not ideal. The capacity for both evil & good exist in each and all of us, that is other good thing that the bible brings.

>> No.19815001

>>19814957
Sounds like pretty vague criteria you can apply to anything desu. Cult seems to be a meme word for thing me no like

>> No.19815003

>>19814966
>the Christian tradition
So I was right
>this is true because the book says so and the book is true because it says so in the book
Wow you sure convinced me there
>as opposed to whatever you do on here
Don't project, I don't pretend to be someone I'm not, especially not some zealot who speaks in cryptic self-aggrandizing aphorisms
>>19814980
>provide a truth
You first
>you being in babylon is a genuine concern
Yep, passive aggressive condescension, self righteous posturing, faked "concern", the hallmarks of Christianity. "People who don't buy into my cult are lost and damned". Sad and stupid worldview

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>>19814645
>when the religion fell like a house of cards once questions were being asked.
And what were those questions? I ask because you seem to be making all sorts of declarations without substance behind them. As though you are only posturing as an antheist because you have the impression that doing so makes you smarter.

>> No.19815010

>>19814977
Really? The standards are high then.
>>19815001
It's not that vague when you look at things impartially and realize most other religions aren't really like this.

>> No.19815017

>>19815008
I'm feeling some good ol epistemological weight over here

>> No.19815020

>>19815010
cults nearly always have a living leader, arguably christianity was a cult but then jesus died and it became a religion.

>> No.19815023

>>19815010
Uh yeah because if thats all it takes to be called a cult again anything even certain mundane political ideologies are pretty cultlike

>> No.19815024

The fundamental truth of reality is most likely some kind of extreme idealism, at least that's what I've always believed according to my experiences. Personal gods and historical "revelations" seem kind of petty in retrospect, but Christianity isn't the only one to be guilty of this.

>> No.19815025

>>19814949
>sorry he had to spend the rest of life in a comfy mansion I guess
amirite?
>>19814923
mate, ill say it again, Galileo brought division and conflict. Copernicus was a priest ffs (or almost was, it is unclear)
Heliocentrism was just starting to gain traction. A famous proponent insulting the Pope and writing bullshit gave it a bad image. This isnt about dissenting views mate.
>>19814919
You are not me

>> No.19815027

>>19815020
Ah, I see. You could make a case for the Pope and patriarchs.
>>19815023
>even certain mundane political ideologies are pretty cultlike
...Yes

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>The BIBLE IS BAD BECAUSE...BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!
Why is it that atheist discourse can never rise above petulence and self-assurance? All you retards ever do is scream "BIBLE DUMB" at the top of your lungs and try to browbeat people into compliance. Meanwhile you take the axioms of the the dominant cultural narrative at face vale, which proves more than anything the intellectual feebleness of atheism.

>> No.19815034

>>19815003
>People who don't buy into my cult are lost and damned
there are non-Christians who are not in Babylon
you however, certainly are
damned or not
>because the book says so
why do 1+1=2
>because the book says so
how do we know this chemical reaction does thi
>because the book says so
how do we know murder is bad
>because the book says so
youre a pseud
>self-aggrandizing
wtf are you talking about you insecure boy
> I don't pretend to be someone I'm not
what are you

>> No.19815040

>>19815030
>try to browbeat people into compliance
The irony.
>you take the axioms of the the dominant cultural narrative at face vale
Can't speak for atheists because I'm not one and think atheism is retarded. But just because the zeitgeist is dumb doesn't mean your equally dumb beliefs are valid.

>> No.19815041

>>19815024
>The fundamental truth of reality is most likely some kind of extreme idealism
Yes, sophists usually come to this conclusion. But it's not your fault, you've been lead astray by a a pernicious and retrograde philosophy that retreats from truth as it tries to construct a universe apart from Christian revelation.

>> No.19815042

>>19815030
I think these who tantrum as you described are the leftists that have rotten values, and therefore are internally fucked up.

>> No.19815047

>>19814713
video games have given you brainrot

>> No.19815048

>>19814928
Yes it does, unless one is born again and baptized out of Babylon.

>> No.19815050

>>19815041
kek
Every time I interact with Christians, I become more convinced of my position. Idealism existed before your cult came to be, and remains more likely than your beliefs being true; a "retreat from truth" perfectly describes the consequences of Constantine's reign.

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>>19815040
>But just because the zeitgeist is dumb doesn't mean your equally dumb beliefs are valid.
European civilization never made greater progress than under the banner of the Cross.

>> No.19815056

>muh religion of the book

reminder that less than 50% of people were literate in yurop until the late 19th century (and worse elsewhere) so nobody cares about your epic takedown of the bible or related writings, it was always a culture of folk wisdom and you're gay for trying to apply a reddit DEBOONK lens to it when most of it is just the spiritual animus of a given people throughout history.

>how can you believe that! it's retarded!

man if you ever talk to a low class person even today it's obvious why they believe insane and retarded shit, the human mind when left to itself conjures up the wackiest scenarios. the fact that you can't understand this, or even see the limited virtue in it, is a You Problem. most of humans throughout history were literalists for this kind of thing and didn't possess your modern burned out nihilist brain.

>> No.19815057

>>19814874
>Because it's your cultural inheritance. And to reject it is to reject your own being.
Holy copium

>> No.19815061

>>19815050
>Idealism existed before your cult came to be
Yes, which cause a great stagnation that made Christianity all the more appealing.
>a "retreat from truth" perfectly describes the consequences of Constantine's reign.
Then why did subsequent Christian generations outpace theirn predecessors?

>> No.19815062

>>19815034
>there are non-Christians who are not in Babylon
Such as?
>you however
You don't have the power to judge anyone else's soul :^)
>why do 1+1=2
Comparing your desert cult's claims to mathematical axioms now, is there a limit to Christian intellectual dishonesty and relentless pilpul?
>pseud
Not an argument
>insecure
No need to project, underageb&
>what are you
A theist

>> No.19815064

>>19815040
>The irony.
For thousands of years children just inherited a living tradition of belief from their family.
Only recently has a massive state apparatus done everything it can to break this act of passing down knowledge and replace it entirely with public education curriculum written by a kabal of unelected bureaucrats.
>I'm not one and think atheism is retarded
is this a neopagan thread?
im fine with this
I just hate naturalists
>>19815056
based

>> No.19815069

>>19815056
What's your position? You seem to be calling out both religious people and atheists

>> No.19815071

>>19814582
>it managed to convince all of Europe, including its intelligentsia
The "intlligentsia" was never convinced. The intellifentsia was and had always been pagan.

It convinced slaves, women, subhumans and illiterate retards. Then, when it proved to be useful to control the masses, it was IMPOSED. Yes, imposed. Paganism was banned and eventually punished with death in the late Roman Empire.

>> No.19815072

>>19815062
>addresses none of the knowledge claims
did you read those axioms in a book?
or will you continue to lie

>> No.19815075

>>19815053
This is such a sad cope, and not an argument.

>> No.19815080

>>19814950
This is why you're hated, you've not refuted what we said, you just spout platitudes

>> No.19815083

>>19815061
>which cause a great stagnation
Not a spiritual one, that's for sure. But like most (if not all) Christians, you love the world and your trinkets, so I think by stagnation you meant something more literal, sadly.
>outpace
Case in point.
The Christian mindset is alien to me. Pure spiritual materialism.

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>>19815069
my position is the truth. i am not a christian myself but to admonish people for being christians in the past or even today reveals a lack of understanding and more importantly, soullessness.

>> No.19815087

Cool it with the anti-Babylonian remarks. Babylon doesn't even exist anymore, and the ressentiment is juvenile. You're like those guys who still celebrate their war against the Seleucids every year by lighting candles.

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19815089

There is more positive evidence for Christianity in the form of Eucharistic miracles (Communiuon hosts turning into heart tissue) than fof Evolution or any other cornerstone of modernity.

>> No.19815091

>>19815085
I don't admonish people for being christians, most of my family is. I admonish people for being self righteous obnoxious proselytes.

>> No.19815094

>>19815089
Kek

>> No.19815095

>>19815089
lol

>> No.19815099

>>19815083
>Not a spiritual one
Then why were the Greeks in a constant state of disenchantment with their beliefs?

>> No.19815101

>>19815064
>just inherited
There's no reason why you would HAVE to follow this though
>I just hate naturalists
Me too, why are we arguing?

>> No.19815102

>>19815056
>they believe insane and retarded shit
this is incredibly true
atheists love to point to rising disbelief
but its really just a rise in woman who block you for being a Scorpio
or say their boyfriend only beats them because he's a Taurus
or think the ghost of their ancestor will grant them strength

all of these beliefs are more true than whatever a secular humanist will try and tell you
>>19815091
I suggest you scroll up to the OP before you make these accusations

>> No.19815103

>>19814978
>but most will just accept whatever the dominant culture tells them to accept.
Really vague what "dominant culture means". If I existed in a super Christian society, then Christianity would be the dominant culture. Arguably Christianity in the U.S is more dominant. In which case Christians would be the ones doing whatever "the dominant culture tells them"

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19815105

>>19815089
kek it's the epistemological weight poster

>> No.19815106

>>19815094
>>19815095
Again, no argument, just self-assurance and dismissal.

>> No.19815108

>>19815072
>did you read those axioms in a book
No. Will you continue to deflect and vomit your pilpul, cultist?

>> No.19815111

>>19815101
because op is a faggot

>> No.19815116

>>19815099
>source: dude trust me

>> No.19815118

>>19815103
American culture is controlled by secular jews.
>>19815105
I remember you, too. Still don't have an argument I take it?

>> No.19815121

>>19815108
>continues to lie

>> No.19815125

>>19815116
Considering the fate of neoplatonism, it's not much of a stretch.

>> No.19815129

>>19815089
>positive evidence
Yep. Just don't look too close at the pathologists' backgrounds and so on.
>>19815105
Holy shit are those cultists being tortured for their beliefs? The absolute WEIGHT of this epistemology

>> No.19815136

>>19815125
Eh, Neoplatonism was never going to catch on, it was always made for aristocrats. The One is too abstract for peasants, they need a personal God like Yahweh.

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>>19814509
If the Bible is fake and Jesus was just a guy who died.. tell me, why did Saul (Paul) and James (Jesus' Brother) convert to Christianity after Jesus' death and then were willing to die for that.

James was stoned and Paul was boiled alive and exiled.

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>>19815129
>One guy in the forensic team was Catholic, that means you can't trust the results.

>> No.19815144

>>19815121
>continues to deflect
I accept your concession :)

>> No.19815146

>>19814713
My point is that Liberalism won over Christianity. Not just in a few instances, but so much that it took over a continent. The same continent that would go on to rule over all the other continents. It convinced American Presidents and European Prime Ministers, it convinced the people, it even convinced some of the philosophers.
And I mention the intelligentsia because it is never beholden to the opinions of the masses. Well perhaps the majority are, but those people who we remember in the history books. All those philosophers, they were daring and did question things. People who are much smarter than anyone here by far, were genuinly convinced of Liberalism.

>> No.19815153

>>19815136
>Neoplatonism was never going to catch on, it was always made for aristocrats
kek. Neoplatonism was just some Egyptian hocus pocus welded haphazardly to greek philosophy. It appealed to midwits.
> The One is too abstract for peasants, they need a personal God like Yahweh.
Is that why every new age pseud is a pantheist or a gnostic?

>> No.19815154

>>19815142
Source for all these claims?
>>19815143
>One guy
All the physicians who testified under oath were very devout Catholics. Nice try, but I'm finding the epistemological weight kind of light today. Where are the incoherent walls of text?

>> No.19815159

>>19815154
>who testified under oath
kek, was there a trial? Not only have you not looked at the evidence, you're making shit up.

>> No.19815163

>>19815136
Caught on pretty well with christer theologians actually...

>> No.19815164

>>19815153
>Neoplatonism was just some Egyptian hocus pocus
Read a book, stop embarrassing yourself.
>every new age pseud is a pantheist or a gnostic?
>is that why [thing that never happened but fits my worldview]?

>> No.19815165

>>19815064
>>19815101
Naturalism is the only correct view

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19815166

Why is it impossible for anti-Christians to argue in good faith?

>> No.19815173

>>19815159
>oaths can only happen in court
So not only have you not looked at the evidence, you're also really dumb.
>>19815163
Christian theology is the most shining example of
>you made this?
>I made this

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>>19815143
One guy who believes is all it takes to overload the scale of epistemological weight. Just ask Paul

>> No.19815176

>>19815164
>Read a book, stop embarrassing yourself.
Neoplatonism was literally just plato + Egyptian magical thinking.
>is that why [thing that never happened but fits my worldview]?
Read the occult threads on /lit/.

>> No.19815180

>>19815154
>Source for all these claims?
It's in the Bible.

>> No.19815181

>>19815176
>occult threads on /lit/.
No new age there. Mostly traditionalists. Some eastern religion, some Christian esotericism, a bit of Kabbalah and Gnosticism.
Most of those things are way more likely to be true than Christianity by the way

>> No.19815183

>>19815175
>This respected forensic investigator was willing to risk his career and reputation by approving an obviously false miracle. Trust me, bro.

>> No.19815187

>>19815166
>accusing others of what you're guilty of
Typical of christrannies.

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19815188

>>19815181
>Most of those things are way more likely to be true than Christianity by the way
And this is because?

>> No.19815191

>>19815176
One of Plato's most important discourses, the Timaeus, is framed as being an Egyptian story. In the Phaedrus, Socrates is chided for telling Egyptian stories.

>> No.19815192

>>19815144
>throws on concession comfort blanket
when your done getting all of your knowledge from books and participate in your community, you'll find some faith
>>19815146
ye but liberalism made things suck
just coasting off of historical momentum really
>>19815153
those pseuds are alright compared to what we face
>>19815154
I have to agree
the positive evidence guys dont get it

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>>19815187
Why are the trannies?

>> No.19815198

>>19815183
>risk his career and reputation
More like risk becoming famous and cashing in on it in one of the few European countries that remain quite staunchly Catholic.
Stop distorting reality to fit your worldview.

>> No.19815199

>>19814986
Yes, most religions have certian commonalities and noble sentiments expressed throughout them that is worthy of respect. Take Judaism for instance. They view their covenant as a burdon, their obligations as chores, and whenever the opertunity arises, they try to cheat God, treating His covenant as some legal contract that they as lawyers find loopholes in. This is truly a base religion. Yet it would be downright silly to claim there are no redeeming, even beautiful, qualities of it. To dismiss it as nonsensical drivel, as you may with Scientology or what have you, is retarded.

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19815204

The reason I got into the Bible was cuz revelation is fucking cool and shit. Plus most of the stories you read or watch or whatever are based on Bible stories.

>> No.19815205

>>19815183
Who in his Catholic country was going to ruin him for agreeing with the church? Are you some kind of moron? Not every society has been 2010s globalized American culture

>> No.19815208

>>19815188
>And this is because?
They don't base their entire worldview on a collection of Jewish stories from antiquity for one

>> No.19815211

>>19815192
>I have to agree
>the positive evidence guys dont get it
Then you're as much of a retard as him for taking his baseless accusations at face value.
>>19815198
Can you show how exactly Dr. Zugibe cashed in on his work?

>> No.19815215

>>19815196
How many of your clergy are?

>> No.19815219

>>19815192
>participate in your community
But I do, brainlet.
>find some faith
I do have faith. But not in your cult

>> No.19815221

>>19815205
Since when is America a Catholic country?

>> No.19815227

>>19815208
Most traditionalism is based on Jewish kabbalah, you retard.

>> No.19815229

>>19815211
>moving goalposts
Concession status: accepted.
Not very epistemologically heavy today, I'm disappointed.
>>19815221
Holy fuck now I can't even see the goalposts anymore.

>> No.19815233

>>19815229
What goalposts did I move?

>> No.19815236

>>19815227
Either you don't know what Traditionalism is or you don't know what Kabbalah is but I've rarely read such an abhorrently stupid post, and so confident in its stupidity too

>> No.19815239

>>19815221
I am saying there were no consequences for agreeing with the church. He seems to think there would be consequences for affirming a miracle as true if it were false, as if he lived in a secular country that both hates public religion and expects all authority figures to have a denomination they belong to but ignore doctrinally. In that case he would be ridiculed for siding with the Catholic church even though he was expected to have a religion or elss not be trustworthy as a public figure.

>> No.19815253

>>19815236
Are you actually retarded, or is this just an elaborate troll?
>>19815239
You really think a forensics expert living in New York would risk his reputation on a dubious miracle?

>> No.19815255

Epistemological weight schizo got btfo on /his/ of all places and now he's coping here.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12615096/

>> No.19815260

>>19815253
>Are you actually retarded, or is this just an elaborate troll?
Not an argument. Feel free to try making one anytime :)

>> No.19815265

>>19815233
>state that he risked nothing at all and the worst thing that could've happened to him was fame and money
>"uuuuh can you show me the bank statements???"
You're more retarded than usual today, and that's saying something.

>> No.19815275

>>19815260
>Not an argument.
Where are yours?
>>19815265
>fame and money
>For a proven fraud
>that he never actually profited off of
Are you retarded?

>> No.19815277

>>19815089
Read the Holographic Universe

>> No.19815282

>>19815253
>New York
Rockland County, NY is not "New York," it's like West Virginia but with Haredim instead of hillbillies

>> No.19815287

>>19815255
/his/ is a faggot board, never been there.

>> No.19815289

>>19815275
>>For a proven fraud
Not proven, that's the point. Are you missing it on purpose? Rhetorical question, it's all you ever do. :^)

>> No.19815292

>>19815277
>Read my pop-sci schizo book.

>> No.19815295

>>19815287
>exact same talking points
>exact same posting style
>"never been there"
kek, you are such a fucking faggot.

>> No.19815300

>>19815295
I see a bunch of reddit faggots arguing in the same tone as you, if that's what you mean.

>> No.19815302

>>19814662
real quick, what religion was galileo

>> No.19815303

>>19815292
>christian plugs his ears and covers his eyes when confronted to something that provides an alternative explanation to his stupid worldview
How surprising!

>> No.19815308

>>19815289
You're saying that an American scientist would risk his reputation on a fake miracle and then cash in on it when he never did.

>> No.19815309

>>19815300
And I see you and every single one of your arguments getting destroyed. Cope harder.

>> No.19815314

>>19815292
>schizo book
What, like the desert quadrilogy?

>> No.19815317

>>19815309
What arguments, it's just a bunch of faggots like you going
>Wow...just wow!
And incrediously posturing at Bible passages.

>> No.19815318

The more I read the Bible, the more foreign and incomprehensible it seems to me. Sure, you can pull some quotes that are good advice or positive morals. But all of the supernatural events are unbelievable, and the way people talk and act is baffling.

I suppose I can understand replacing a set of pagan beliefs with Christian ones. But it assumes a baseline belief in supernatural events that I find really hard to understand.

>> No.19815323

>>19815308
Americans have done dumber things before. And don't act like this wouldn't have propulsed him to fame either way. Not that there was any way to demonstrate he lied in the first place, though.

>> No.19815328

>>19815303
>Pop-sci midwit thinks his conjectures disprove Christianity

>> No.19815331

>>19815317
You got raped so hard that you just stopped posting at some point. Stop pretending, you're just embarrassing yourself further at this point.
>b-but they were tortured it says so in the bible
kek

>> No.19815332

>>19815323
>And don't act like this wouldn't have propulsed him to fame either way
Then why didn't it?

>> No.19815339

>>19815328
>disprove Christianity
Huh? There's nothing to disprove, Christianity can just be dismissed outright.
>>19815332
>implying he's not well known and that this event didn't make him more famous than he was before
Just digging yourself deeper, huh?

>> No.19815345

>>19815318
Kind of the opposite for me. I don't care much about the supernatural events, they're present in every religion, pajeets today have their siddhis or whatever, it's no big deal.
But to act as if the Bible is somehow the keystone of the universe is such a primitive and narrow-minded view I struggle to see how so many people just accept that with no further inquiry. I don't like a lot of aspects of dharmic religions but at least they got a better cosmology.

>> No.19815357

>>19815318
The bible was completely superceded as a means of building a propagating society by the koran; both are competent at destroying non-monistic systems but where they have conflicted we find more formerly Christian places than we do formerly Muslim. The koran is much more streamlined and has less idiosyncratic baggage (no old testament, no trinity, etc.), it's just one prophet, one god, one community, etc. Technological and economic advantages gave Christian countries an advantage for a few centuries but now those countries are all secular anyway and invite Muslims to settle in them. Even Muslim countries that attempted secularism like Turkey have abandoned it for Islam again. The Europeans will not even have a religion to return to. But I digress. The Bible is quite the product of its time and place. That it succeeded as a missionary religion for so long really owes less to contemplating the corpus of scripture itself and more to the mobilization of masses under the dream of immortal life

>> No.19815362

Christians, can you convince me that subjective idealism is wrong and that the world is anything more than an insubstantial illusion?
I think Berkeley believed the same thing yet was a Christian, weirdly.

>> No.19815368

>>19815357
How come eastern evangelizing never caught on as well as abrahamic evangelizing? The Buddhists have nichiren but nobody cares

>> No.19815390

>>19815368
It caught on very well. Look how many countries Buddhism is (or was) in as a major religion that are not India. Japan was at the end of the world in a sense, so they had not really exported much of their culture religious or otherwise until the 19th century

>> No.19815394

>>19815390
I guess. Still, it never spread to Europe.
What about Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism?

>> No.19815401

>>19815339
>Christianity can just be dismissed outright.
Sound like you're just lazy.

>implying he's not well known and that this event didn't make him more famous than he was before
And did he somehow profit off of this?

>>19815331
Sounds like the oter guy just got tired of trying to reason with midwits.

>> No.19815413

>>19815401
>Sound like you're just lazy.
Nah, just think the Bible is bullshit.
>did he somehow profit off of this?
I don't know — and neither do you :^)
>the other guy
Heh.
>just got tired
The levels of cope are staggering. You just gave up when you realized all your arguments could be dismantled easily by asking "source?" and the answer turned out to be "the Bible" every single time. You got utterly destroyed.

>> No.19815424

>>19815413
>just think the Bible is bullshit.
And yet you're incapable of articulating why and only shout platitutes.
>I don't know — and neither do you :^)
He never even published a book on it or did any sppeaking tours, so it's difficult to support your conjecture.
I'm not the other guy you argued with, you're just paranoid.

>> No.19815425

>>19815394
Asoka is supposed to have sent missions to the Diadochi. The Christian legend of Josaphat and Barlaam is Buddhist in origin. Other than that, the land route to India closes effectively with the rise of Islam. When Christian missionaries go to Asia with the Portugese, Dutch, English etc. they consider the Buddhists and Hindus idolators. As some beliefs became better understood beyond the worship of statues, it was often concluded the Buddha was at best a virtuous pagan since the ethical code is similar, the metaphysical beliefs and practice are however very different. Hindus got less sympathy since their gods are very obviously demons to the Christian missionaries who mediated most knowledge of eastern religion until formal studies began at European universities in the 1800s

>> No.19815433

>>19815424
>you're incapable of articulating why
For the same reason I think the Quran is bullshit. Hint: it's in the thread you got destroyed in that I linked.
>it's difficult to support your conjecture
I'm surprised that bothers you, as a Christian. kek

>> No.19815444

The world is exactly as the Holy Bible expresses that it is. The obvious direction and conclusion of the world matches up perfectly with what the Holy Bible predicted over 2000 years ago. Before long humans will have created our own counterfeit god with AI and robotics.

>> No.19815445

>>19815425
Hmm so Hinduism didn't spread because it could more easily be considered demonism by Christians? That doesn't explain why Zoroastrianism or Taoism never spread though; they predate Christianity, right?

>> No.19815454

>>19815444
>current events bad therefore magic zombie jew
At last I truly see...

>> No.19815465

>>19815444
>The world is exactly as the Holy Bible expresses that it is.

In what ways?

>what the Holy Bible predicted over 2000 years ago

What concrete predictions does the Bible make?

>> No.19815467

>>19815445
Zoroastrianism/Manichaeism was floating around in the eastern Roman empire along with early Christianity, temple Judaism, Hellenism (neoplatonic theology) etc., all contemporaries. The syncretic Gnosticism was suppressed as the church became the institutional religion. Taoism is just being Chinese. Hard to export.

>> No.19815473

can someone pls recommend me what I should be looking out for when picking up a bible in order to read it for greater literary understanding?

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>>19815444
>the Holy Bible
That's a funny way to refer to Fanged Noumena

>> No.19815477

>>19815454
I'm not referring only to "current events", tiny mind, I'm referring to the entirety of the human situation, from the personal, to the cultural, to the societal, through the historical, etc., into the ultimate result that it is all obviously building towards.

>> No.19815481

>>19815467
I see. Thanks for explaining. I don't think Zoroastrianism can really be considered gnostic though, dualistic for sure but not gnostic.

>> No.19815486

>>19815477
doesn't every prophet of automation wants the very paradise your priestly world-deniers put into their heads?

>> No.19815488

>>19815477
>the entirety of the human situation
The Dhammapada is better in that regard, and much more condensed. A small treatise on the human experience and its trappings.

>> No.19815495

>>19814509
Read the New Testament first, THEN read the Old Testament.

>> No.19815498

>>19815481
Gnosticism is a hellenistic reception of Zoroastrian ideas mixed with some Judeo-Christian ones. The relationship flows one way

>> No.19815501

>>19815498
Oh I didn't think the entirety of Gnosticism was derived from Zoroastrian influences on Platonism.

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>>19815488
I got both trips >>19815444 and dubs of holy 7 >>19815477 for the LORD God Almighty and the Holy Bible and you got mere dubs of nothing special 8 for fake and gay Buddha.

>> No.19815520

>>19815515
Ok zoomer larper

>> No.19815524

>>19814509
>Have I just been memed into thinking that lots of people here believe such pulp?
This is bait, do not respond to it.
>Is it just an elaborate scheme to fool redditors into not visiting?
This is bait, do not respond to it.
>If not, then how did you fool yourself into believing it?
This is bait, do not respond to it.
>There are thousands of interpretations, yet all of them eventually end up sounding completely insane.
This is bait, do not respond to it.
>How is it not a disgusting, dishonest and untrue ideology, disproven even before it existed? Seems as though even children with the most basic questions are able to shake it's flimsy answers to ruin
This is bait, do not respond to it.
>Whenever anyone speaks of finding any solace in this I am always skeptic. They inevitably end up sounding like greasy Arab merchants trying to dupe you into buying shitty, half broken souveniers.
This is bait, do not respond to it.

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>LOL YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT DO YOU?!
Behold, the fruit of 300 years of atheist discourse.

>> No.19815529

>>19815524
The braindead cultist in all his splendor.

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>>19815520
I'm almost 50, son (you will never be a woman).

>> No.19815536

>>19815526
>LOL THE BOOK IS TRUE BECAUSE IT SAYS SO IN THE BOOK
Christrannity and gaytheism are a false dichotomy. Both are embarrassing.

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>>19815526
I believe Jesus wept

>> No.19815543

>>19815533
Ok boomer larper

>> No.19815556

>>19815536
Says the guy just regurgitating r/atheism arguments.

>> No.19815559

>>19815542
The Emily Dickinson bunions thread
You opened it
We came

>> No.19815566

>>19815556
They're right about this one though. However they're wrong about the metaphysical.

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>>19815543
BEHOLD, my dub dubs >>19815533 after trips and dubs and REPENT.

>> No.19815571

>>19815567
Boomers are so embarrassing holy shit

>> No.19815630

>>19815566
So you're just another teen atheist who latched onto idealism when materialism was untennable? Good to know.

>> No.19815641

>>19815630
Ouch, the projection... What was it about tradlarpers being the next stage of fedora atheists again?
That being said, even nondescript idealism is a more intellectually honest position than Christianity.

>> No.19816042

>>19814645
>until the 20th century, when the religion fell like a house of cards once questions were being asked
Name one important question asked in 20th century which wasn't addressed by church fathers over millenium ago?

>> No.19816100

>>19816042
You do realize, the debate over theology has changed significantly? You can't just deny Zeus and Thor and then go "there, only my god could exist, yours are stinky." No one cares about denying pagan gods, the question is why isn't Yahweh imaginary too?

>> No.19816142

>>19816042
Why would anyone care what a bunch of random Jews and spiteful mutants have to say?

>> No.19816159

>>19815641
What does that mean--intellectually honest?

>> No.19816589

>>19814509
get saved anons, this is the real gospel that can save you from hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOv_kvk4M8&ab_channel=BaptistBiblePreaching

sermon for people who's doubting their salvation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qe2iQE2ImQ&t=433s&ab_channel=Matthew

>> No.19816660

>>19815641
>What was it about tradlarpers being the next stage of fedora atheists again?
at least LARP is meant to be entertaining. What I'm experiencing is this:
>God, yes! Do I believe in God? Am I taking this seriously? Yes, I am. No, no! There's no God! Or is it me? It has to be me. I just can't believe because I've been atheist for too long. Forgive me God, have patience please! What am I even saying? Who am I even talking to! Oh sorry, I am so sorry! Please, help me stop being an atheist! But no, it's useless, once you open your eyes, it's impossible to believe! Or maybe my eyes are still clouded because I doubt! Ahh, please, save me from nihilism!
And so on, it's extremely draining.

>> No.19817913

>>19814635
Absolutely underrated comment. Also, key phrase: "deriving pleasure." I notice you didn't get the usual Christschmucks saying "B-B-B-B-BUT JESUS VISITED THE DREGS TOO." Every time I see a Christschmuck so clearly enjoying himself on 4chan, I learn more about how much faith Christianity is able to provide -- barely any.

>> No.19817927

>>19815641
>That being said, even nondescript idealism is a more intellectually honest position than Christianity.
Nondescript isealism is just a coping mechanism for atheists who found out the hard way that materialism is a dead end. That's why it never moves anywhere beyond a mitwit social club.

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>>19816100
You really think nobody has every addressed this?
>>19817913
>Christschmucks
>schmucks
Almost had me, Rabbi.

>> No.19817979

>>19817934
>> schmucks
> Almost had me, Rabbi.
Why are you even on the /lit/ board if you're this fucking dense?

>> No.19817993

Why do Christkikes seethe so hard at this:

(KJV John 4) "How is it that thou, being a (((Jew))), askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? [...] (((Jesus))) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: (((we))) know what (((we))) worship: for salvation is of the (((Jews)))."

INB4 mental gymnastics. Christkikes are just weak infants who can't let go of the Jew. They thump their chests so hard, calling people Jews, but they Can't. Let. Go. Of. The. Jew.

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>>19817979
Why are you using jew words?

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>>19817993

>> No.19818008

>>19817998
You're so fucking dense.
I bet you think the dudes on 4chinz calling people goys are Jews too.
You don't belong on the /lit/ board.

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>>19818003

>> No.19818016

>>19818003
> mental gymnastics
Jesus was a Jew.

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>>19818008
Yes, pagans will fight the jewish agenda.
>>19818016
"Jews" didn't exist.

>> No.19818033

>>19818012
If Jesus wasn't a Davidic Jew, then he can't be the Jewish Messiah, and therefore your religion is a farce.
Calling Jesus a Judean is just another way of calling him a Jew. The word 'Jew' literally means 'Judean'.
Christniggers aren't good at remaining internally consistent.

>> No.19818047

>>19818022
>"Jews" didn't exist.
Oy vey, so the Jews didn't kill Jesus then and we've been blamed all this time. Thank you for clearing it up. I would love to bite your foreskin.

>> No.19818068

>>19818047
brutal smackdown lmao
the problem is that, outside 4chan, christians don't have a problem calling jesus a jew
yet on 4chan, those desperate to believe that jesus was some aryan overlord have to patch one leaking hole in their boat, only to expose another

>> No.19818080

>>19818068
/pol/
> THE JEWS KILLED JESUS. CHRISTIANITY IS THE ANTI-JEWISH RELIGION.
also /pol/:
> JESUS WASN'T A JEW. JEWS DIDN'T EVEN EXIST UNTIL TALMUDIC TIMES.

>> No.19818088

>>19814582
Under pain of death maybe you fucking faggot

>> No.19818222

>>19814652
Schopenhauer has a bit in his essays where he talks about how one of the great advantages religion has is how it is drilled into your head from the time you're an infant and how even if you're not a believer anymore it is still so ingrained in your mind it's almost impossible to truly escape it.

>> No.19818256

>>19814509
If you have any doubts about Christianity being true read this. Especially if you're pagan.

https://www.joshuatcharles.com/blog/2019/3/13/did-god-prevent-the-rebuilding-of-the-jewish-temple

>> No.19818262

>>19818256
I have never taken stock in a random foreign people's temple being magical to the exclusion of all others as being necessary to inform my views about metaphysics or soteriology.