/lit/ - Literature

>>19791055
Tintin in Congo is one of the less exciting ones.

>>19791060
OMG DUDE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SAY IT IS HECKIN BASED AS ALL GET OUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY BLACK PEOPLE ARE PORTRAYED

>>19791132
based

>>19791132
The only funny thing about how they're depicted is in how they're drawn. The most morbid actions in Tintin in Congo are perpetrated by Tintin himself, when Milou is stolen away by an ape and Tintin shoots another ape and wears its skin to chase down the kidnapper.

>>19791055
I liked les bijoux de la castafiore as a kid because it's comfy, there's no bad guy and they just spend some time chilling in the castle
I don't remember the other stories sadly

>>19791055
I love "Tintin au pays des Soviets." It was Herge's first Tintin story, and he taught himself to draw in the process of illustrating it, meaning that most of the illustrations are pretty primitive. The story is bonkers and nonsensical (at one point Tintin beats up a bear) and the depictions of Russians were clearly copied from some anticommunist propaganda pamphlet. It's hilarious and baffling.

>>19791132
kek

best tintin is l'alph art

>>19791196
honestly not a bad take. I think if it had been finished, Alph-Art could have been the best of the lot

>>19791149
Doesn’t he also blow up a rhino with a stick of dynamite

>>19791318
That sounds exactly like the sort of shit Tintin would do, so I'm going to say yes he did.

This one was a bestseller in Mexico some weeks ago (389 MXN = 18.95 USD).

>>19791141
I've seen people hating on Tintin recently. So this is why?

>>19791141
I see nothing wrong with this. What's the deal?
t. non-American

>Anglos as so cucked that the "full" Tintin collection doesn't have the Congo adventure
lmao

>>19791364
based tacco.

>>19791055
>>19791055
When they went to the moon

>>19791386
Yeah you want to one with the colorful covers

>>19791427
Why can I never get the fucking picture to orient properly when phoneposting lmao

>>19791433
You have to crop it a bit so it appears as you took it. It's some kind of bug.

>>19791427
That set also removed the Congo adventure.

>>19791453
Volume one does have it.

>>19791453
>>19791481
It's from like 2007 btw before all the woke nonsense of the 2010s that caused publishers to remove Congo from the collection.

>>19791453
You are incorrect sir

>>19791433
If you do "Take photo" you have to rotate your phone 90° clockwise. If you take the photo, then choose it from the album you need to rotate the photo, save it, the rotate it back to the upright position.

>>19791529
cock and balls :D

>>19791545
dicke and balls and also nuts

>>19791490
Yes. They did add this disclaimer, but the text and art is unaltered. The way it should be

>>19791481
>>19791529
Not anymore

>>19791571
I see the newer editions got woke'd and censored kek anglocucks, p-leeease.

>>19791571
yeah. This makes the original blue voume 1 quite rare and valuable. Unfortunately, mine is damaged - little cousin left it out on its spine and broke the binding. :/

>>19791571
>implying Tintin in America is any better in terms of "wokeness" than Tintin in the Congo

>>19791648
Niggies are sacred for Anglos. Any other group is secondary as long as Anglos please their beloved pets.

>Tintin in the Congo also came under criticism in the United States; in October 2007, in response to a complaint by a patron, the Brooklyn Public Library in New York City placed the graphic novel in a locked back room, only permitting access by appointment.
Do Macdos really?

>>19791690
They're trying to do the whole "This should not be enjoyed by anyone, you should only read it for the purpose of studying the attitudes of belgians towards africa in the 20s" thing.
Which is completely pointless to be honest because Tintin in the Congo is pretty crap regardless of the portrayal of africans. The jokes aren't funny and the plot is nonexistent

>>19791597
>This makes the original blue voume 1 quite rare and valuable
damn I have one but I read it all the time as a kid and spilled food all over it kek

>>19791055
My favorite was "The Calculus Affair"

>>19791490
>It's from like 2007 btw before all the woke nonsense of the 2010s that caused publishers to remove Congo from the collection.
The editions I read as a kid in the mid-90s (in single format, not volumes) had pictures of the 'whole series' on the back but Land of the Soviets and Congo were missing. I had no idea those stories existed until I was an adult. So I don't think its removal from the canon is a recent thing. If anything it seems to be semi-rehabilitated in the sense that everyone who's into Tintin knows it exists now, you can buy it even if it's not as easy to find as the others, and there seems to be a general acceptance that it's okay to read it with the historical context in mind. It's still the only one of the series I haven't read personally, though, since it wasn't in any libraries when I was a kid.
I really liked King Ottokar's Sceptre. And as a kid my favourite was the Land of Black Gold, but only because I thought Thomson and Thompson hiccoughing and growing hair uncontrollably was hilarious.

>>19791055
What happened to euro comics, are there any good series still being made (apart from Asterix) or did they go down the shitter like mainstream American comics?

>>19791978
Where are you from? I can't imagine anyone other than Anglos doing this kind of faggotry.

>>19792301
They are still pretty good but mostly popular in Europe and many are untranslated.

>>19792301
There's a few /co/ charts.

>>19792370
Great! Is any of this currant? I’d like to look into whatever is being serialised/released atm.

>>19792370
Not him but thanks. I liked I Am Legion. It's about this Jewish girl who was genetically modified by the Nazis so she can control creatures (animals and people) who have her blood in their system.

>>19792405
I go on paulgravett.com//articles/index to find current comics. Some of them are euro. There's other eurocomics charts you can find in the megalink on /sffg/, but I think they're all made years ago.

>>19792370
Just looked up a load of this stuff and the art is stunning and the stories look interesting.
I’ll never understand why manga took off when all of this greatness is left in (relative) obscurity.

>>19792462
The art of mobeius especially is beyond describing.
It’s what you get when someone with the talent and imagination of miyazaki dedicates their lives to comics rather than films.

>>19792483
Aesthetically his influence on sci-fi is beyond the beyond. From Blade Runner to The 5th Element to Star Wars, they all copied him.

>>19792370
>Metabarons
Pure kino. Glad I got a couple volumes at a flea market while in France a few years back

>>19792483
>>19792493
for me it's the unfinished film adaptation of Dune by Moebius and Jodorowsky (pbuh)

>>19792564
Jodorowsky drew his own comics called Panic Fables. The art isn't as impressive as Moebius, but it's very strange.

>>19792493
Moebius worked on The 5th Element at least

>>19791055
the first three tintin books - soviets, congo, america- are all a bit crappy and are really only worth reading to see how the character developed
herge hit his stride after that and most of the rest of the books are worth reading. my favourites are the broken ear and king ottakar's sceptre- to me these seem like they have all the ingredients of the best stories, exotic locations, menacing baddies, a sense of adventure and so on.
>>19791386
>>19791529
these editions are nicely produced but they are so tiny you need a magnifying glass to see them. herge's artwork is what makes the stories so special, some of the stories like the blue lotus have got such detailed set pieces, pic related, they need to be read in the larger format.

>>19792719
Man that looks comfy, wish I could spend the occasional al evening in an exquisitely furnished Chinese opium den.
What’s the English equivalent?

>>19791055
Picrel. Oh and Vol 714 pour Sydney.

>>19792736
the english equivalent of le lotus bleu is the blue lotus, anon...

>>19792816
I was asking what the equivalent of a well furnished Chinese opium den is in the uk.
It was mainly a joke.

>>19792346
Yeah, UK. I actually have a German edition of King Ottakar's Sceptre too, in the same format, and I see Congo is listed on the back. So probably censoring it was just an Anglo thing.
Incidentally I live in Belgium now and it's very easy to find here, but that may be exactly because it has a kind of collector's status now and the local comic book specialists want to show off that they have it.

>>19792370
I remember having a crush on Mélusine when I was in school

>>19791055
My South African friend had a poster of this image hung above his bed as a child. Fairly based and redpilled.

>>19793046
oh
well in that case the equivalent would be a chinese opium den. but you are about 120 years too late. they were popular in victorian london. sherlock holmes visited one in disguise in the man with the twisted lip.
i don't think there is a modern equivalent. these days people do other things for recreation like eating avocado toast and visiting garden centres and out of town designer outlet villages.

>>19791055
"Tintin au pays des Soviets" but because it was my first french read

based, terrific thread

>>19791055
Any Corto Maltese readers here? Highly recommended.

>>19791055
Tin Tin against the Soviets played ironically.

FS FUCK OFF NAZI BELGE

SMURFS ARE FULL GAY SPACE COMMUNISM

>>19791171
I think it was depictions of communists, not Russians per se, which makes it pretty accurate.

>>19792738
>taking the goat

>>19793053
Derailing, but out of interest, why was is you moved to Belgium?

I don't know which I like most but this one is crap.

>>19793053
Tintin in Congo is still available at my city library, original swedish edition from 1978 (and reprints from the 00s). It's still available for purchase on all the major swedish book sellers' websites too. I'm not sure where all this censorship is allegedly happening. Is it just the anglosphere?

>>19793046
shisha lounges, sadly

>>19795908
lol

>>19795801
it's just in /lit/'s mind. the book is freely available. but, it does come with a warning- my copy came with a red paper band around it, like pic related, with a note on the back that it reflects the paternalistic attitudes of the time, or something like that.
>>19795789
yes that one is quite poor. an experiment by herge that didn't quite work out

>>19791055
The cartoon is better.

>>19793053
>and I see Congo is listed on the back. So probably censoring it was just an Anglo thing.
I checked. It's in the French edition, the Spanish edition, the Italian edition, the German edition. Literally only Anglos removed it. Why? False wokeness?

>>19796784
>it's just in /lit/'s mind
lol no, see: >>19791386
all modern anglo editions do not include it

>>19792301
lot of very good graphic novels coming from france, most of em untranslated.

>>19796784
>an experiment by herge that didn't quite work out
The last three Tintin books that were finish were all sort of deconstructions of the series as a whole.
Castafiore Emerald was a non-adventure. Nothing remarkable or dangerous ever actually happened, but Tintin was led to believe it had until the big reveal at the end.
Flight 714 deconstructed Rastapopoulos from a serious villain to a joke villain.
and Picaros had Tintin refusing the call to adventure for the first time, only going reluctantly after he realizes The Captain and Calculus had to be rescued.

>>19791055
>2014
>Be yuro highschool student
>History manual
>An entire page dedicated to the case when a butthurt congolese student in Brussels sued the Hergé copyright's owners for muh racism for "Tintin au Congo"

>>19792370
I recommend Monstress, great comic. Also, here's another chart for you lot.

>>19791055
Has anyone here read Monsters? It has been 35 years in the making.

I miss /co/

>>19791055
>What's your favorite Herge Tintin Short/Story for young adults and why?
The best single volume is probably Cigars of the Pharaoh, classic Egyptology-style adventure, any kid who likes Indy can dig this.

Far and away the best story is the two-parter Secret of the Unicorn/Treasure of Rackham the Red, though. It's inarguably *the* iconic Tintin story.

>>19791055
Thorgal are my favortie kino strips though

>>19792370
>no Spirou
What in the doublefuck? Should be up there with Asterix, Tintin and Luke.

>no Gaston
Okay that tears it, this list is made by an ANTI-FRANQUINICAL BIGOT

>>19792698
Yep. Mézières (artist of Valérian) also did.

>>19795801
The homos at Serieteket in Stockholm removed it though. Or was it the other homos at the children's library in the same building? I forget, but there was a kerfluffle a few years back about censoring children's access to niggy-nig caricatures.

>>19791690
"Hello Brooklyn Library? I'd like to make an appointment to read the racist Tintin book please. As soon as possible"

>>19792736
there's still a few underground opium dens left in east london

>>19791055
I think The Broken Ear is one of my favorites, but with TinTin it’s hard to go wrong. The first anon is right that Land of the Congo is one of the most boring ones, though.

>>19798144
>>19792370
So what is the greatest comic of all time? Like the Berserk of comics.
inb4 >berserk, you know what I mean.

>>19798641
Imo The Sandman comics

>>19798747
This is the page I was looking for

>>19791055
I have a fondness for the china one. It’s dark and exciting. And it has lots of military stuff.
The moon stuff is cool as fuck. Iconic

>>19791055
>this is supposed to be bad
>the vile racist caricatures of Japanese on every page of Blue Lotus apparently don't matter at all
Amerilards actively buttfucking the only minority that bothered to assimilate again, kek

>>19798943

>Europeans
>"""to the moon"""

>>19799271
Yea, it made sense at the time.

>>19799271
What, you don't think it's realistic that a team of mixed-national engineers and Belgian astronauts could go to space?
If I were you I'd be complaining about the fact that a teenage reporter and a merchant sea captain with a failing liver were selected as the first astronauts. Because the middle aged deaf scientist who dreamed up the whole thing in the first place was friends with them.

>>19799283

Why did you assume that I am familiar with the details of gay euro comics?

>>19791132
Things can be both not very exciting and based at the same time.

I always hated the animal cruelty in the early comics.

>>19791055
Destination moon is my fav. I've read only 3 tintins though

>>19791055
I like all the latest albums. If I had to pick one, it'd be Flight 714. Tintin kept getting better the further it went.

>>19792370
The artwork in Obscure Cities is exquisite

>>19799602
You reek of insecurity, pal.

As a kid my favourites were the 2-parter Secret of the Unicorn/Red Rackham's Treasure - great adventure stories, sadly ruined by the Spielberg movie.

I have old Magnet 1980s and Mammoth 1990s editions of some of the books, and none of those lists Land of the Soviets or Tintin in the Congo on the back. Those don't seem to have been widely available in English until the 2000s.

>>19799893
ruined in what sense?

>>19799900
After the Secret of the Unicorn section, what should have been the Red Rackham's Treasure section gets replaced with generic Hollywood action movie nonsense.

>>19799904
The Tintin movie also took parts from The Crab With The Golden Claws, right

>>19799907
Yes, it includes bits from Crab with the Golden Claws too.

I remember reading there was meant to be a sequel (based on The Seven Crystal Balls/The Prisoners of the Sun I think) but nothing seems to have come of it.

>>19791132
Stay mad

>>19794763
>I think it was depictions of communists, not Russians per se, which makes it pretty accurate.
It really isn't; it highly caricatured. Immediately after arriving in the Soviet Union, Tintin is targeted by an assassin who attempts to kill him by inducing him to slip on a banana peel. There's also an episode involving a haunted shack containing Trotsky's hidden gold, an aviator named "Comrade Lindbergski" and other off-the-wall nonsense.

I'm not knocking the comic, of course; I love it for how weird and wacky it is.

>>19798459
my thoughts.

>>19795789
Yeah, this one is easily the most uninspired and dull to read through.

>>19791132
touch grass spastic

>>19791055
where can I pirate them all in English or German?

>>19791055
For me, it's pic related

>>19792370
Sad thing that Requiem will likely never be finished. Issue #12 was supposed to be published in 2017

>>19791132
All the Congolese kids learn how to read with Tintin au Congo. They love it because there's nothing wrong about it. Or maybe you just suppose that Congolese are too stupid to see what is wrong in it ?

>>19791055
I remember being scared by pic related as a kid.
>What's your favorite Herge Tintin Short/Story for young adults and why?
I don't have one. I liked reading them as a kid and younger teenager but as an adult they are pretty boring in terms of dialogue and plot and are usually unfunny as well.
They look really good though and I enjoy the aesthetics of the first 70 years of the 20th century. Besides that I don't get why adults like them. That goes for a lot of comics with similar faults, especially Asterix and Lucky Luke. Just nostalgia?

>>19800494
he gets around a bit huh

>>19798751
He looks like Owen Wilson

>>19798747
>>19798751
I find gaimans prose works to be mediocre (apart from coralline which I liked as a kid), are his comics any better?

>>19801739
his comics are the only thing worth reading by him. sandman is pretty good.

>>19799602
nice reddit spacing homo

>>19791055
The best Tintin is the Red Sea Sharks

>>19799602
why are you in the tintin thread then

>>19792370
This list misses a lot of the more comedic comics, not even going to look up their French or English titles, I am Dutch, but yeah euro (or french/flemish) comics beat both american and japanese comics

>>19802055
Any recs?

>>19802059
Its been almost two decades, but I can name a few. Loved the work of Belgian André Franquin notably Gaston (Guus Flater) and Spirou et Fantasio (Robbedoes en Kwabbernoot), a Dutch comic book artist that is really good is Marten Toonder and his Tom Poes comics. More basic but a big part of Dutch and Flemish culture are Suske and Wiske by Willy Vandersteen. A lot of the weird experimental stuff (moebius etc) was already mentioned in the infograph and in other posts. Perhaps a fun recomendation for English speakers are The Trigan Empire series. Basic story but the art was great and by Don Lawrence. Don Lawrence also drew the Dutch comic Storm.

Tintin is Indiana Jones rip off
just sayin

>>19802170
This is actually true because Tintin was based on the old Indiana Jack pulp books, that inspired Indiana Jones

>>19802170
>>19802179
terrible bait

>>19791055
Tintin in Tibet is my favourite

fun fact, the castle in The Black Isle is based on my family's ancient home

>>19802215
An aristocrat among us, tell us how does it feel to be better than the plebs?

>>19802226
Pretty good. I try to stay humble

>>19802226
>among us
sussy

>>19792370
Can Americomics compete with this or is it all capeshit for menchildren? I know DC owns Vertigo but that was British.

>>19801739
Sandman is literally the only good thing he ever wrote.

>>19802348
Some of the more independent-oid, creator-driven Americomics are okay. Recommend Prophet, crazy Moebiusesque SF. Hellboy, Usagi Yojimbo and Girl Genius are obvious mainstays you probably don't need anybody to tell you about.

>>19802348
The Americans have some pretty good comics as well that aren't commercial capeshit. I like Charles Burns comics, Paul Kirchner comics, Jim Woodring comics, etc. There's also Will Eisner, of course.

>>19799254
There's only 1 fucked-up looking Japanese guy, and he's the villain.
Also sticking up for the Shooting Star, that one was great.

>>19802367
>>19802388
Alright, thanks. I will check them out.

>>19802421
Wasn't that the one Herge wrote when his office or paper or whatever was working for the nazis in occupied Belgium? I wonder why they didn't charge him with being a collaborator like they did with some of his colleagues.

>>19802367
>Prophet
You mean pic rel? I can't believe both covers belong to the same comic.

>>19802450
That's it, but you should start with the first book of the reboot.

See, Prophet has a really weird publication history: it started out as a shitter Liefeld title that got something like 18 issues before getting canceled for being shit. Then these other guys took it up maybe 20 years later, and actually made it great *while sticking to the established lore from the first run 100%*. You don't need to read the Liefeld garbo at all to understand the new one though.

>>19802450
Early Image comics all looked so awful

>>19802440
I was sure it was a 50's era one, but I looked it up and you're right. It can't be the only one, though. It looks like he was denounced as a collaborator but he got away with it since it was only cartoons.

>>19802348
This was great.

>>19802872
>Not choosing the black and white version

its only worth reading black and white, the color ruins a lot of detail and contrast

>>19791392
How can tintin be so cute all the time? Even being carried by 4 slaves he looks so candid and innocent

>>19791318
yup. Even as a kid that seemed pretty fucked up to me.

>>19795789
I read all of Tintin when I was younger and I have literally no memory of what this is about

>>19798747
Sandman is great but there's too much of it. If it was trimmed down to just the best stories it would be fucking phenomenal.

>>19803574
fatass castafiore lost her big emerald right after gypsies moved in next to the castle
turns out it was a magpie
fin

>>19803628
oh right, I do remember that.
yeah that one sucked.

>>19793243
She cute

>>19802872
The first two books are great, but after that it just turns into a pretty generic fantasy adventure. Shouldn't have abandoned the Barxism.

>>19803628
>>19803637
The earlier Anons who said it was experimental were totally correct, Tintin in Tibet is the last of the real Tintin-adventure stories (and even that's pretty deconstructive in its way). Bijoux was a deliberate experiment, Hergé wanted to see if he could make a story exciting even though nothing actually happened. IIRC he was badly depressed and kind of sick of Tintin at this point which is also why 714 is a bizarre inverted adventure where from the protagonists' perspective nothing gets discovered or is even remembered afterward. (He also pretty much retconned it by having Rastapopoulos reappear as the villain again in Alph-Art.) It's also why Picaros is the single fuckin' album he drew in the fifteen years between Flight 714 and his death.

>>19803375
what is the original?

>>19804111
It was published in black and white originally, then after it became a smash hit the whole thing was colorized.

>>19791648
It shows the us army stealing oil from the Indians. They are theories that say that Hergé is some sort of anti-colonial leftist

let's see your tier lists lads

>>19804294
You nailed it, from what remember these rankings seem great except id swap cigars with the black island.

>>19801902

Will never not do it. Reads better.

>>19791427
>>19791529
These look nice on a shelf but the enjoyment factor just can't compete with the wide-open spread of the individual books.

>>19804294
I haven't read any of them in over a decade, but as a kid the Blue Lotus was the one that was always coolest to me, probably because it felt genuinely pretty mysterious and not as wacky as the others.

>>19804294
>even the Anglo tier list leaves out Congo
Meming aside though tis is very close to mine except I never liked the two Moon books so they'd be B tier for me whereas Cigars is S and Ottokar is A.

>boo hoo hoo there's no explosions
I can't believe all these manchildren sleeping on Castafiore Emerald

>>19798439
Great choice anon. My brother got the archer comic from his Polish friend and it was really fun.

>>19791352
>I've seen people hating on Tintin recently. So this is why?
In the USA, Tintin used to be a standard fixture in bookstores in the children’s section, but that changed at some point.
I asked at Barnes & Noble for Tintin, and was told some might be in the regular graphic novel section.
The general gist I got was that Tintin was no longer a standard comic book at every bookshop anymore.
Add in the original two Tintin books, ‘…Soviets’ and ‘… Congo’ only really became readily available in english after Tintin disappeared from popularity, only Tintin fans probably realized the political incorrectness of the first two books.
I’m guessing, some comicbook blogger mentioned Tintin, and then people who didn’t read Tintin started reading Tintin books during the woke era, and have gotten pissed off at an author who has been dead for decades.

Since Spielberg directed the one Tintin movie, I think most people ignore the “anti jewish” controversy Tintin used to have.

>>19791132
Black people portray themselves like that in real life, that doesn't make them based.

>>19791392
This is funnier nowadays, when you watch a documentary like this,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bB3kuuBPVys

About the used clothing market in Africa, and then see this section of a Tintin comic from 90 years ago.

>>19791690
>Tintin in the Congo also came under criticism in the United States; in October 2007, in response to a complaint by a patron, the Brooklyn Public Library in New York City placed the graphic novel in a locked back room, only permitting access by appointment.
>Do Macdos really?
Back when pornography was illegal in the United States, and many other countries, The New York Public Library had one of the largest collections of pornographic literature in the World.
The Vatican had one of the other largest collections.

>>19792346
>Where are you from? I can't imagine anyone other than Anglos doing this kind of faggotry.
‘…Congo’, ‘…Soviets’, and ‘…Alph-Art’ were not available in the US for decades.
I’m not sure when they were translated and released, but the US publisher, Little Brown, did not offer them for sale, and I’ve only started reading them recently, despite having all the other Tintins when little.
‘…Congo’ provides some missing context from ‘Tintin in America’ that I only realized after reading ‘…Congo’.

>>19802215
May I congratulate your ancestors on their strength and tenaciousness.

For me, it's the Blue Lotus

>>19792719
When you realize Tintin, a character who is Belgian, is looking thru a curtain depicting a rooster, and the rooster is a symbol of Wallonia, one of the regions of Belgium.

>>19799665
>The artwork in Obscure Cities is exquisite
They need to translate all of these into English, and rerelease them in a combined set.

>>19791055
Thread theme:

https://youtu.be/lhYAq9uoXQM?t=1320

>>19805598
They're being slowly released by Alaxis Press through IDW, but you can kiss your dreams of a collection/box set goodbye – they seem to only go out in limited print runs, then not get reprinted. The assumption seems to be the market is limited, which is probably correct. A very niche comic.

>>19805873
I've never heard of Obscure Cities, and now I'm sad I don't have what's already been released. Time to do some digging I guess. Thanks.

>>19805914
There are old NBM editions of some of the comics, but they're horribly printed. Copies of the new Alaxis releases seem to sell for the usual inflated algorithm-tard figures.

>>19791132
>Oh no! Cartoon characters don't look like real life! Racism!
Surely your post was bait, wasn't it?

brAp

>>19805495
>>19792370
Alfred Bestall's Rupert should also be in the classics. It too was censored for being politically incorrect. Many of its annuals are hard to get now.

>>19792370
>No Spirou
>No Gaston
Why even bother.

>>19791055
In Québec we used to have a huge Tintin knowledge competition every year or so. Absolutely insane stuff, like ''What was the 4th license plate number discernable in Tintin au Congo, and which bubble did it appear in?''.
For me and my family these were almost as important as the Olympics. I was always amazed by how insane the questions were and how insanely good the participants were. They could name you by memory in seconds the number of people that were in any single bubble, describe them in details. the texts, everything.

>>19808543
I have a copy of the very first edition of Gaston Lagaffe. Its probably my most treasured book.

I love McConey/Lapinot. Wish more were translated

>>19805568
Wasn't he mixed up with the Walloonian League or whatever they were called, the Belgian Hitler supporters?

>>19792719
>herge's artwork is what makes the stories so special, some of the stories like the blue lotus have got such detailed set pieces, pic related, they need to be read in the larger format.
Tintin gets ragged on for racism in its earlier volumes a lot, and while that's accurate, Herge really doesn't get enough credit for the effort he put into the later volumes to get cultures right. It's still pulpy fun, but look at that image you posted: that's not a generic "oriental" room with chinese, korean, and japanese iconography thrown together. It's distinctly chinese. It's part of what makes the series such a fun read, even all these years later.

>>19809097
I think Herge had a Chinese friend that helped him depict it accurately. Herge was also ahead of his time by depicting Japanese Imperialism in a negative light before public sentiment had turned against them. Anyone that judges him entirely on his original work and decry him as a racist is just looking to be offended.

>>19809318
It's funny because it's all true

Even the eating nests of birds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPTHmLy4zs

>>19800933
ah shit i watched the cartoon as a kid and this scene gave me nightmares for months

>>19801739
I've only read his Norse Mythology book, but The Sandman is much better than that.

Blessed thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUYZCq6tdt8

>>19809318
Yup, his friend was named Chang Chong-jen, the character was named for him. They lost contact during the Cultural Revolution, and Tintin in Tibet is largely Herge expressing his desire to reunite with his friend. They were reunited a few years before Herge died.

>>19809439
That soundtrack's like a madeleine; I haven't heard it in at least 15 years.

>>19809465
>actually be named Chang
That dude is a living racist stereotype!

>>19810223
Chang Chong Chen, no less

>>19808646
You mean you don't have these competitions anymore?

>>19812256
They aren't televised anymore at the very least.

>>19809465
This makes me happy, thank you.

>>19809318
>>19809324
Kek, all I could think of while reading that image was all the horrifying videos I've seen of Chinese people eating literally anything that moves, and of the mass child killings and abortions of one child policy.

>>19799602
self-loathing is strong with this one

>>19793336
People are more into health and active living now. Running, playing sports, working out etc. No one worked out in the Victorian era.

>>19799602
if you don't like
> Gaston Lagaffe
> Spirou (both young and adult)
> Achille Talon
> Philemon
You have no fucking business on this board.

>>19798641
Everyone (and/or every generation) has a different answer to that, and I don't believe there's a clear winner such as with Berserk for manga. Whereas in Berserk you'll find a plethora of elements that makes a very great a mount of people agree to it as probably the greatest long running manga series.

One of many possible answers: I've heard it said that 'the chninkel' (Le Grand Pouvoir du Chninkel) is considered by many the greatest comic book ever. It's made by the same writer and artist duo behind the famous Thorgal series. It's a fantasy tale with biblical elements about a little creature called a Chninkel set in a land devided by three kingdoms/rulers who are always at war. Writer Van Hamme himself described it as a Tolkien-inspired offbeat version of the New Testament. It was originally released in black and white which has it's own charm, but it got a very good colour version in 2001 which really does it justice and makes the world come to life in a different way.

It's a great comic book to be sure, but it's only one possible answer of many and it being fantasy it wil automatically not be for everyone. It also helps that it's usually sold as a single book, while a great deal of classic franco-belgian works are long running series of shorter volumes. This results intwo things: any single volume could be considered a great comic and a classic, but it will be shorter then a 'graphic novel' or a bigger book like Chninkel and therefore leave less of an impact. Second, a beloved classic series will have, over the decades, different artists and writers work on them, which results in many uninteresting or trash comics even in a classic series and which effects the perception of a series and wether comics from it will be considered at all.

>>19798641
From Hell or Watchmen. They're very well written as far as comics go. And the art is good as well.

>>19812387
What killed the interest in Tintin? Was it the woke crowd?

>>19791055
>Tintin

>>19792433
Oh neat. I've been looking for some summaries of what's coming out that isn't capeshit focused. I usually just check the Europe, Image and Fantagraphics sites so I know I'm missing everything that comes from other publishers.

>>19792405
There's a publisher called literally 'Europe Comics' that does contemporary european comics in English. Fantagraphics does them too but I always think of them as an American publisher.

>>19815114
Tintin is just dated. Few things last. And regarding the "woke crowd", if that was a sincere question at all, they've probably done more to revive Tintin by reminding people that the series exists in their complaining about Tintin In Congo than anyone else in recent decades..

By the way, if you like Tintin the style is called "ligne claire" or "clear line". You can find other artists that do this kind of style. There's also a variant called the "atomic style"

>>19815114
traditional comics are generally less widespread now, but tintin is still popular. there is a tintin shop in london, pic related. it's near covent garden, so that is an expensive piece of floor space. i've been in it a couple of times and it is always packed. it is only a little shop but even so they must be selling a fair amount of stuff. i would imagine the most expensive stuff only sells to nostalgic adults though.

>>19798641
Berserk is a hot steaming pile of sophomoric shit, and it's unacceptable that anyone would speak highly of it on a literature board. Dude stole Hellraiser's monsters and tacked on the same stupid edgy teenager story for retards as every other shonen anime. Pardon, seinen! Because rape and gore means it's for grown up people like me! No mom, ugh! It's not a phase! I really love this manguh!

>>19815860
Blessed, there is still hope for this world.

>>19815860
Do they sell Congo or are they fags?

What do you think about this comic?

>>19817081
It’s to far fetched, would never capture the public imagination.

>>19817194
How about this?

>>19817264
Where's the joke, Buckley?

>best thread in fucking months
>it's about comics

>>19791978
The situation with the Belgian Congo was a story of genuine atrocities, not run-of-the-mill Things-Fall-Apart-style colonialism. For that reason the postcolonial dialog and self-questioning has been going on among the Belgians for many decades longer than it has with any other colonizing country. Herge was apologizing for Tintin in the Congo as far back as the '60s. Not because of what it depicted, but because of what it was diminishing.

>>19817643
In what way? I thought it was pretty realistic.

>>19804294
Flight 714 and Tintin in Tibet would be higher and The Shooting Star would be lower but otherwise that's about right.

>>19817643
>the postcolonial dialog and self-questioning has been going on among the Belgians for many decades longer than it has with any other colonizing country.
This is super weird though because the whole problem with the Belgian Congo was that it was King Leopold's personal possession, not subject to the government of Belgium at all, so he tried to squeeze every last penny out of it because he thought the Belgian government were giving him a too small stipend. That's what caused all the atrocities, and when the Belgian authorities found out they actually deprived him of it immediately by legislation, and after that it became a model colony where nobody had his hands chopped off for fucking up the rubber quota. So why Belgians as a people would need to feel bad about the Belgian Congo is beyond me, they locked that shit down as fast as they could.

>>19817585
It's well known the best discussions of topics appear on unrelated boards.

>>19815081
>It also helps that it's usually sold as a single book, while a great deal of classic franco-belgian works are long running series of shorter volumes. This results intwo things: any single volume could be considered a great comic and a classic, but it will be shorter then a 'graphic novel' or a bigger book like Chninkel and therefore leave less of an impact. Second, a beloved classic series will have, over the decades, different artists and writers work on them, which results in many uninteresting or trash comics even in a classic series and which effects the perception of a series and wether comics from it will be considered at all.

For example, as a Belgian one of my favourite series is 'De Rode Ridder' (the red knight). It's about the adventures of a Flemish knight in the middle ages, solving mysteries and fighting to protect the innocent. It's often some scooby-doo type mystery, like some local lord uses a fake monster to scare his people in order to take advantage of them, but there's also real monsters and magic. It's very campy due to the setting and the language used by the hero and the villains. It's fun to read while being not 100% absorbed but instead consciously aware of reading an overtly old-fashioned comic while sipping your coffee on a sunday afternoon.

Anyway, this series started in 1959 and has had a bunch of different authors and artists take over. It has gone full sword and sorcery, even science fiction, it has had many trash albums. It's still one of my favourite comic book series ever and a national treasure. Nobody would select this series or a volume from it as 'best comic ever', it's too niche, too old fashioned, and it's quality is way to inconsistent over the years to be compared to something like Berserk.

Half this book is spent dabbing on America and it's hilarious.

>>19791171
Au pays des soviet is probably the most 'no fucks given' Tintin ever gets but it's also the most nonsensical story. It's also the one with the highest amount of people wanting to kill him.

>>19794763
It isn't. Herge read a book that was propaganda anti-communist to the point of it being even more bullshit than the bad living conditions in the USSR.

>>19792738
Good choice and taste.

>>19795789
Herge wanted to make a mystery where it's all red herrings but it's just bad. The comedy with the captain is funny though.

Have you guys realized Hergé would occasionally draw a cameo of himself ? Can you find him ?

>>19820791
Probably this guy.

>>19820838
Indeed

>>19820999
He seemed the most out of place. Also his hair seemed weirdly modern.

>>19791055
Explorers on the Moon was one I got at a book fair as a little kid and really loved.

I still think it's a great story for kids to pick up on. Men setting out to achieve against the elements and saboteurs relying on preparation, intelligence, and teamwork.

>>19820838
Yup and his wife at the time is the girl beside him.

Boenpes

>>19822792
My nigger.