/lit/ - Literature

>>19786199
It's kunstsprache. it takes some time.

>>19786199
firstly, nice dubs. read the first book and until you have gotten used to the syntax and some more difficult stylistic devices like hyperbaton. only then move on to conticuere omnes etc.

>>19786199
I have a similar question. After reading LLPSI, what classical works am I ready for?

>>19786272
llpsi is reddit-tier. just learn the grammar, memorise declensions, tempora and moods then start with something very basic like the vulgate or hyginus

>>19786288
Fuck off

>>19786293
>Fuck off

>>19786298
>t. obsessed boomer mad that self learners are learning Latin in 6 months and it took them 4 years of college to start reading Latin literature

>>19786293
This is more your speed, you slack-jawed LLPSI stooge and charlatan. You pollute every Latin thread with your inane rubbish about this highly overrated book and I, among many others, charge myself with the baleful task of countermanding your claims with the tried and true trivium of education. Nowhere in LLPSI is there grammar; nowhere in LLPSI is there rhetoric. Nowhere in LLPSI is there dialectic. This libellus horribilis knowingly negates the hard-foughts fruits of the civilization whose heart it so haughtily propounds to encapsulate merely by way of emphasising orality per se. For shame!

1) you need to get used to nouns being disconnected by their adjectives
ex: saevae memorem Iunonis ob iram. Saevae is modifying Iunonis and memorem iram.

2) you need to get used to certain grammatical features that only exist in poetry
ex: in prose, comparative adjectives + quam; in verse, comparative adjectives + ablative

3) you need to get used to words being used in a poetic way
ex: unda terram inter fluctus aperit. terra = land, but in this context, it means the bottom of the sea

4) supplying prepositions that are often omitted in poetry
ex: mari summo = in mari summo

5) having a large Latin vocabulary

FIVE STARS
WOW. Start reading and understanding and even speaking instantly! This book is a real achievement. You pick it up and from the first page you can read and understand latin. There are some labelled illustrations as in a kid's book, but it's a lot of Dick and Jane type simple sentences at first, and they just keep adding vocabulary and show the endings of the words switching in different contexts, showing rather than telling that adjectives and verbs agree with subjects, gender, etc. There are lots of little notes in the margins that are helpful too, all super intuitive. Fill in the blank quizzes at the end of each Chapter. For pronunciation, I've heard there are other guides that go with this, but I downloaded audio files for 99 cents per chapter that come in either classical and church latin pronunciations, and then you know pronunciation too and can read along to practice or make up your own Latin sentences. I use this with my son who is 8 and he's able to follow along no problem.

>>19786377
obsessed

>>19786383
>obsessed

>>19786334
>>19786377
>>19786298
>blocks your path
Nigger just because you spend all day on reddit and youtube watching your favorite e-celebs promote this book doesn't mean its not useful. Would you kindly share with us where you learned Latin instead of kvetching that your 4 years of "study" was brutally mogged by 1 book for children. All that time WASTED!

WASTED !

>>19786370
>1) you need to get used to nouns being disconnected by their adjectives
>ex: saevae memorem Iunonis ob iram. Saevae is modifying Iunonis and memorem iram.

>>19786393
>nigger
>kvetching
>all caps
>reddit spacing
nice try

>>19786334
I am not him but I do think that immersion is the best way to learn languages. You might not acquire the skillset to do perfect translations from one language to another, solely through immersion, but it is how I have learned every language that I speak. Even in my native tongue, I use incorrect grammar at times. It is not disrespectful, for I have neglected the trivium and I am therefore denied its benefits. It is silly to say that you have to do grammar exercices for months to pay respects to a language and its knowledge. Besides, one can learn through immersion and then decide to build on top of that with grammar. If you have no interest in doing subject, verb.... Zzzz.. exercises or to gain the knowledge you do gain from doing them, then they serve no purpose

>>19786387
>>19786398
The state of /lit/
Yes I am a Federal Agent I have come to /lit/ to get people to read the book LLPSI which is as we all know detrimental to one's learning capabilities. Does the nigger word make you feel anxious? Wait until you finish memorizing your grammar charts and can finally say "black" in Latin.

>>19786400
ohe - salve tu quoque bon vir. rectne vales? iam enim te ceperat taedium otii et congerronem desiderabas qui Latine loquitur ipse?

>>19786370
>to nouns being disconnected by their adjectives
*from their adjectives

To add to point 5, you can get Pharr's edition that glosses rare words and you can use https://bridge.haverford.edu/ to create a high frequency list of words for the Aeneid in anki. I would recommend only to commit to memory words that Vergil uses more than 10 times. Your time would be better spent actually reading the text rather than memorizing highly infrequent words.

>>19786416
you may laugh at the guy and as an oldfag, there is no shortage of pol tourism on this board, indeed.. but like every irony it contains some truth. the homeland security knows that Ameri-euro rmves will be the biggest threat >Historically, mass-casualty domestic violent extremist attacks linked to RMVEs have targeted houses of worship and crowded commercial facilities or gatherings. Some RMVEs advocate via online platforms - i.e. here - for a race war and have stated that civil disorder provides opportunities to engage in violence in furtherance of ideological objectives

when we encounter methods like llpsi that is deracinated from the tradition of learning and the identity that it births, we produce soulness trinkets, maunderers who can speak but not grasp the radices (radix - root) of the history that calls upon them to act as heros.

if this book was used upon an insitutional basis, we would be dealing with something like the case of mohabat khan wrested from his nawabship in junagadh, i.e. kingship depletion for the sake of polishing a ma durga bust three kms away from a fucking ted talk about drawing cartoons in hull

>>19786469
seconding Pharr. Virgil was my first actual text in college and that edition made it a much smoother transition

I have 2 semesters of Latin with Wheelock. I am now starting to read the Aeneid. Fuck the LLPSI and its shills.

>>19786199
About 8 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes and say around 15-20 seconds, depending on how good you are.

there's always "read" and read, you may be able to go through it slowly almost word by word but you may not really appreciate it much like this, as some puzzle to solve
should go for easier prose reads first

what is the problem? Just get LLPSI and read a grammar on the side. Why would you need a textbook to teach you the theory of grammar and inflections? And if you can't infer the rules yourself from the use in the texts then you're a low IQ nigger anyways.

>>19786600
>>19786615
found the schizo

If by LLPSI you mean Familia Romana, Colloquia Personarum and Roma Aeterna as well as the rest of the latin texts that have been simplified/augmented in the LLPSI series, if you truly understand what these texts are teaching and saying, than the Aeneid and Eclogues will be difficult but not impossible for you
I think you should stop focusing on what you can eventually read with LLPSI when you're finished and just get started
Remember, you should be trying your best not to translate the text into your native language as you read, also you should be using the exercise book just to make sure you're getting the right lessons from each chapter, pirate it if you like
Finally, remember that the LLPSI method while it does have it's inherent claims of being superior to other systems of teaching, the method ultimately is based on the amount of text you're made to read and so it's not meant to be a miracle teaching method, just a more effective one that gets to the core of the learning process more quickly

>>19786672
based wheelock chad, LLPSI on suicide watch

Ultimately it doesn't really matter, if anons find Wheelock to be a compelling and useful way to learn Latin then that's a great thing.
If they don't and they want to give LLPSI a try then that's also good.
I like LLPSI and got nothing out of Wheelock. Others have a different experience and so if you're satisfied with one method and you're making progress in reading Latin texts then it doesn't really matter so long as you aren't trying to tell yourself that Latin is just really hard and that it's normal for Latin to be incredibly difficult and slow to read in essentially an unnatural way. Mary Beard is one such example of a classicist who is incapable of sight reading Latin and she tries to shift the blame away from her education (she has put a lot of time and effort into learning Latin) and onto Latin and Greek which is wrong.

>>19786861
>I like LLPSI and got nothing out of Wheelock.
That is because you are a dumb nigger.
>Mary Beard is one such example of a classicist who is incapable of sight reading Latin and she tries to shift the blame away from her education (she has put a lot of time and effort into learning Latin) and onto Latin and Greek which is wrong
That women blame men for their own incompetence is a truth so banal it requires no explanation.

Thank you.

>>19786861
>Mary Beard is one such example of a classicist who is incapable of sight reading Latin
I think that is due to how Latin is taught. Both LLPSI and Wheelock's use the passive route. The first only trains you in reading (passive) and the second in translating (passive). Although they have exercises, LLPSI suffers from fill-in_the_blank type and Wheelock has like 3 sentences per chapter that you turn from English to Latin.
If students were trained actively, i.e. by writing and speaking it, as the Humanists were, they would they have no trouble with reading in Latin as comfortably as their native language. Many writers from that era write so well in Classical Latin style that scholars would be fooled if asked if it was written by a Roman native in the 1st ce BC or by an Italian in the 15th/16th ce.

>>19786919
I think the difference is also the amount of Latin that those people would have read back then.
The Humanists in the Renaissance would have been obsessive about reading Latin and Greek because it was essentially a new world of learning for them and so would be spending a lot of time reading it, there wouldn't have been as many translations available of these texts and so essentially if they wanted to read these texts they'd have to read and read and read.
These days people aren't nearly as likely to have to read Latin or Greek as they were back then, for modern people there's nowhere near the same level of impetus towards actually reading as much Latin or Greek as they can, at least not thousands upon thousands of pages of it (admittedly I have only read 100 pages or so of simplified Latin so far).
You're right that output is necessary though although I tend more towards the language learning camp which says that input (reading/listening) should be the primary form of language use and output should come later.