/lit/ - Literature

>>19752180
More books like the OP image? Tired of the edgy deconstruction of fantasy.

did you like the Green Knight movie?

>>19752188
Huh, thought about asking the same thing just yesterday. this and about Tolkien's rendition of The Green Knight.

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19752312

A child worships Bakker's nods to philosophy and religion.
An Adult finds enjoyment in experiencing KJ Parker's nods to history

How many of these dorks are actively posting in these threads

https://youtu.be/xWKKciavKU4

>>19752312
The "king" has no clothes

didn't get it. Liked the creatures, didn't like the coomer shit.

>>19752532
All that shows is what the current state of rigging is. It's not legitimate at all.

>>19752312
your chilling is fake and gay, get a life anon

>>19752180
I’ve been reading stars my destination but the writing just seems too abrupt and basic. Does it get any better?

>>19752180
Reply with controversial opinions you have:

>WoT was pretty good and I think Sanderson did the best he could wrapping it up

>>19752532
Cope.

>>19752716
Dune Messiah is the best Dune book

>>19752570
okay retard

>>19752722
That's not controversial at all.

>>19752860
I'm glad to hear that. I see far too many people saying rude things about it.

>>19752860
Well, neither is >>19752716

>>19752904
Well, in /sffg/ it is.

>>19752716
Tolkien only remains popular and is considered required reading because he was adopted by the literary establishment.

>>19752911
Touché.

>>19752716
Controversial =/= retarded. Although I will cattily agree that Sanderson did his best.

>>19752722
God emperor though. I'll give it 2nd best.

I quit. What a shit load of fuck. This book is so boring. Like what were they thinking!!???!??

>>19752913
He said controversial, not brain dead. Striking Tolkien from a hypothetical fantasy reading list would be like striking Homer from the classics.

>>19752929
Don't worry, Sanderson will soon have his latest backflipping, spellslinging, teenage assasin kino on the shelves for you to enjoy.

>>19752957
The people reading Hobb are the same people reading Sanderson.

>>19752984
I like Sanderson but I don't read female authors

>>19752716
The actual plot of The Wicther is better than the Short Stories
The first two books are great, but the rest of the series is even better, and people who say that the wicther is at it's best in a monster of the week are objectively entitled to their own opinion, even if I disagree with it.

>>19752933
There's no problem striking Tolkien from the canon. He is not even of "the classics", and his only contribution is spreading the idea that excessive worldbuilding is good (well, that and the word "orc").

>>19752994
I got tricked into reading Robin Hobb. Fucking Americans, Robin is a mans name.

>>19752984
I read Hobb but don't read Sanderson

>>19752984
The same as the ones that read Tolkien, Bakker, Herbert.

Anyone know a fantasy book/series where the main character uses a spear or other polearm? I'm getting tired of swords.

>>19753004
As much as I liked Witcher, Lady of the Lake wrapped up way too quick even if there was some great kino moments like the Battle of Brenna. They spent too much time dicking around in Toussaint

Cringe: Using a spear
Mega cringe: Using a sword
Based: Using a spear on the battlefield and a sword at close range
Megabased: Using a spear on the battlefield then half-swording a sword at close range
Chad megabased: Using a spear on the battlefield then half-swording a sword at close range, then grappling and pulling out a dagger

Does this book have magic and faerie creatures in it?

>>19753148
Read it and find out.

>>19753130
>They spent too much time dicking around in Toussaint
Fair
>Lady of the Lake wrapped up way too quick
Really? I didn't think it was badly paced. To mee everything seemed ti flow naturally from what had been set up before. Though Lady of the Lake isn't my favorite from the series (that would be Baptism of fire) I did find it really good.

>>19753013
"excessive" worldbuilding is precisely what you need if you want to make a proper fantasy series
if the author cannot tell you a zillion more things about his world than what he tells his readers in the books, then the books will never be immersive enough

So I'm working on a middle grade fantasy book for boys and I have a bit of a dilemma. The MC has to find a specific plant to cure his friend and, after a short journey, happens upon a witch who can help him. My dilemma is this - should the boy outsmart the witch somehow, thus winning the cure, or should he make a deal for the cure and have to perform some task for her later on as payback for her giving him the cure? I like both choices, thus my conundrum. Thoughts?

>>19753179
How sexual are you willing to get?

>>19753179
>Thoughts?
Yeah, fuck off back to /wg/ >>19751113

>>19753179
Read Mother of Learning then come back to me.

>>19753184
Not at all.

>>19753185
No u

>>19753191
I'll give it a look

>>19753140
>half-swording a sword at close range
is this some kind of code for dicks rubbing together?

I finished The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and now I'm reading Prince Caspian. I haven't enjoyed either. Should I continue?

>>19753215
Can't you decide for yourself? Or are you that much of a bitch?

>>19753215
>not liking Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe
Absolutely soulless... Keep reading as punishment.

>>19753148
It has moor cock

I just finished Book of the New Sun. I feel retarded so I might read the whole thing again at a later date.
Severian definitely fucked his mother, right?

>>19753218
Is it really a matter of being a bitch? I'm just asking for the opinion of those with insight on the rest of the series.
>>19753238
Maybe what makes it so great went over my head because I wasn't raised Christian and have never read The Bible. Can you tell me what you like best about it?

>>19753215
My personal favorite CS Lewis is The Horse and His Boy. It's set in Narnia but it doesn't focus on the usual suspects.

I don't read sf but do you guys ever talk about the French cigarette goblin? He technically wrote a sci-fi novel with scenes in the far future beyond humanity (The Possibility of an Island) but since he's not marketed as a genrefag idk if you lads knew what you were missing out on

>>19753431
I remember when he wrote a full page ranting about black cocks and how animalistic bbc is.

>>19753431
I read Whatever and it was shit. It was like being on this website but it wasn't fun. Pathetic misery porn.

>>19753431
I heard two of his books contains bbc, I only read one and its full of blacked cuck fantasies (Atomized)

>>19753448
>character gets cucked by a black
>therefore it's a fantasy of the author's

sure thing

>>19753460
didn't say its his fantasy, just said it contains cuck shit and for some reason its a black and he had to make a point of him having a giant cock.

>>19753482
>he had to make a point of him having a giant cock.
Was it curved?

>>19753179
have him make a deal now and then learn from it somehow to outsmart the witch the next time he is in the situation

>>19753198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9HoH_GsYA

>>19752984
kek
The two are completely different.

By the time I got to the end of the Wheel of Time, I had two questions, anons:
What happened to the song the Tinkers were searching for? I don't remember anything to do with that, but then again, it took me well over a year to finish all the books. The second:
What happened to Asmodean? He goes into hiding when Rand re-captures Caemlyn but gets caught by someone and I don't think anything happens after that. He's just... gone and forgotten. What the fuck? I feel like either Robert Jordan forgot about these points (unlikely, he kept lots of notes I heard), or Sanderson is a retard fag who just wanted to finish the big plot lines and call it a day.

Also, I think these books are actually ancient history books, not set in the future (although from one point of view, perhaps our future is our past when the wheel of time turns).

>>19753738
The song doesn't exist. They'll never find it. And that's from Jordan himself. The tinkers are dumbasses who gave up their oaths to the aes sedai and as a result they forgot their own history and search for a myth.
Asmodean fucking died dude. Reread the end of book 5. I think it was the epilogue but he didn't go into hiding. It was a big mystery who killed him for several years before finally being revealed in book 12 or so that Graendal had Slayer kill him.

>>19752439
i've had K. J. Parker on my tbr list for over a year now, is pic related a good place to start or should i go for the engineer trilogy? i hear a lot of good things about the latter but Prosper's Demon has a really pretty cover

How did we go from Disney adapting Terry Goodkind ot modern Disney?

>>19752722
I stopped reading after Messiah. It certainly is the best one.

>>19752716
Science fiction has always been and always will be, superior to fantasy in every concievable manner imaginable.

>>19753224
Based, just wish the opening section in the village spent less time having the mc jerking himself off instead of using his knowledge of the future more, especially since he knows his time there is limited

>Having said so, Caucasian Monk clapped his hands: “Fly away, faggot!”
God bless chink web novels

What should I read if I really liked the noble politics/drama/intrigue in Dune?

>>19753285
Go read the Bible instead

>>19753196
>Not at all.
Bye.

>>19753758
I think the best starting point is The Folding Knife
I didn't like the memory trilogy and the fencer trilogy (engineer was fine) but the standalones are good, especially sharps.
this newest trilogy is a trilogy of standalones so it's good too.
don't expect a change in tone, the books all have the same sarcastic somewhat nihilist narration

>>19754292
Do you want something with grimdark and philosophy? Read The Prince of Nothing by King Bakker

>>19753224
Doesn't even have a system baka

>>19753156
I guess it's more so that Geralt figuring out where Yennefer is just because he happens to eavesdrop on those key actors feels like quite a bit of an asspull. I would have very much liked to have had more of the adventures of Geralt's Hansa

>>19753750
>They'll never find it. And that's from Jordan himself.
Really? There's a scene with Randlews humming a song and having greenery sprout up around him, I assumed that was *the* song as seen in one of the Age of Legends flashback.

I'm having a blast with athe book of the new sun.
I've also enjoyed dune.
Thinking of trying Bakker or Tolkien next, I'm afraid tolkien will seem generic after being familiar with fantasy and the history of tlotr. Is still enjoyable if you've watched the movies, etc?
Any other authors worth checking out if you particularly enjoyed the new sun stuff?

>>19755093
Bakker is absolute peak KINO

Audio Books are not Books.

Simple as.

>>19755093
>Any other authors worth checking out if you particularly enjoyed the new sun stuff?
Vance's Dying Earth

>>19754766
What system

>>19752929
I like it, but there's something undeniably homosexual about all of it

>>19755172
Thanks, still check it out

>>19755033
It is, but they wouldn't "know it when they hear it" like they claim otherwise they would have ended their journey centuries earlier when they heard an ogier treesing. They split from the aiel to go back to singing to plants but over time that warped into the hunt for some song that is supposed to bring world peace or whatever it was they say. What they travel the world looking for now isn't what they started their journey looking for and doesn't exist. Also since they aren't aiel any longer it might be that they couldn't even sing the song Rand sings if they knew it. The are truly Lost

>>19755163
Here's your (You)

>>19755435
He's still correct.

>>19755124
why? Never herad of him before. Is this the newly shilled author of /lit/ now that Sanderson has fallen into disgrace?

literally no one who listens to audiobooks actually focuses on what he hears, it's just a dumb add zoomer way of consooming but not internalizing

I FUCKING TOLD YOU

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/728897/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-consciousness-continue-SOUL

>>19755513
Nice way of outing yourself as newfag.

>>19755599
You forgot your ironic greentext, because surely you weren't projecting your own disability on others?

>>19752984
lmao, I've seen way to many stans of Sanderson get filtered by Hobb, or anything that actually focuses on characterization beyond the super simple straightforward kind that the hack likes to drag out.

>>19755609
thank God

>>19755637
I was filtered by the suffering porn.

>>19755513
The only novelty here is you, buddy.

>>19755609
Quantum mechanics is there just to entertain us seriously, nothing else

Books for this feel

>enter /sffg/ for the first time in months
>bakkertranies keep shilling their reddit turboautist idol
Is there any hope for them?

>>19755599
I do, but I have rules. I only do it when I'm alert and I make a conscious choice to focus on it. I constantly rewind the moment my mind drifts. I never do it while driving, because driving is actually very distracting... unless you're a bad driver that doesn't pay attention to the road.

>>19752532
>I have read and enjoyed a book by Bakker: 2 votes

>Number of seething replies to a comment about Bakker's irrelevancy outside /sffg/: 2
>>19755626
>>19755681

So it's either the same schizoid autist phoneposting, or Bakker himself and his wife are shilling his crap here. Big lmao

>>19755815
>>19752720

>>19755820
that poll was famously rigged

>>19755842
not my problem

>>19752312
Before this month ends, I'll read the first book in his series, and if it sucks ass, I'll call ALL bakkerfags TRANNIES from now on.

>>19755820
>>19755863
>he shills Bakker for free
Pure autism

>>19753179
have him "outsmart" her but it'll come to bite him in the ass later on.

>>19755941
Does it trouble you?

>>19754967
Well, I didn't remember that. I don't remember a lot from the books on general, actually
Good thing I'm reading them again

>>19755941
>>19755513
>>19755815
You're trying too hard, sweetie.

>>19755842
>No argument.
>No proof.
I accept your defeat.

>>19755870
I accept your deal as i judge there is very little risk of that

>>19755870
You should post under a trip code and come back with your own detailed analysis. Otherwise, I don't really care.

>>19756108
I'll post with the dotasmut visuals, just as with my previous post.
Detailed analysis of what? I'll share my opinion, will not write you an essay. If you don't like it, too bad for you; Bakkerfag.

>>19756014
proof of >>19752605?
??
?

>>19756150
Like I said, I don't care.

>>19755815
>Number of seething replies to this post: 2
Bakkertrannies couldn't make it more obvious

>>19752720
Jesus, I never heard of Bakker and Wolfe. Is this true?

>>19756454
>a community of less than 100 people produces 400+ replies to a poll
Do you even need to ask?

>>19756454
>a community that spans across /sffg/ and into other discord communities and reddit that produces 400+ replies to a poll
Do you even need to ask?

>>19756454
Of course it is.

>>19756454
Yes. I was here that day. The poll is 100% legit, and I think it is still up today. I also saw it spread across a number of fantasy discords.

>>19756508
>>19756520
>bakkerposters are discordtrannies
Not even surprised

Anyone got a Witcher reading order chart?

Need some GRI approved books.
Didn't read a good rape in years.

Thoughts on this series? I was considering reading it.

I want to make 2022 the year of cyberpunk
I have previously read Gibsons Sprawl trilogy
I have George Alec Effingers Budayeen trilogy order, and also Melissa Scotts Trouble and her Friends
What else should I get?

>>19756669
Cringe current year cuck shit.
>>19756727
I always rec Rucker for cyberpunk.

>>19755626
>>19755681
>>19756012

Well I am not a newfag since I come here since 2006, but I don't visit here too often and irregularly.

All you three did not or could not answer my simple question though, so I might be tempted to guess I was right in assuming this was a shill author? Also...

>>19755815
... seems to confirm.

I just wanted to know why this author that I have literally never heard of before today would be so popular.

That is also not how you make someone interested in a new author.

But I have no horse in that race, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>19756657
Pic Related. The last one actually takes place somewhere in the middle of The Last Wish, but it's not part of the main story and is considered to be worse than the rest, so no reason to read it unless you really liked all of the others

>>19752312
Stop selfposting Bakker you autistic loser. Your books are peak Reddit

>>19756819

>>19756727
I had a pretty good time with Idoru by William Gibson. I liked it as much (or maybe even more) than Neuromancer. It's part of a trilogy, but can be read as a standalone really well (and it's the highlight of the trilogy anyways), but if you want to read lot'sof cyberpunk, no harm on giving the Bridge trilogy as a whole a shot.

I have enjoyed Egan in the past and read Diaspora, Clockwork Rocket, Permutation City and Schild's Ladder. I think I like Diaspora and Schild's Ladder best.

What are comparable books to these (not necessarily from Egan).

Why didn’t you guys tell me about Clifford Simak? I just shotgunned Watch Station in one sitting and it was pretty good. Not god tier but certainly good enough I’m surprised I hadn’t heard about it sooner.

Any other books like The Night Land? Something with a world/universe where everything is nearing its end, the stars going out, everything becoming cold and the last humans living near the last suns around.

>>19756545
So are these "bakkertrannies" in the room with us right now?

>>19757039

>>19757047
Obviously

>>19757051
I did not like Vance. Could never get into any of his books.

>>19757047
I bet that seemed more clever in your head.

>>19757101
Not at all.

>>19756837
>Well I am not a newfag
Thins only newfags say.

>>19756727
If you can stretch to Belterpunk then CJ Cherryh's Company Wars series is good

>>19757047
Yes

>>19756901
"Yellow Blue Tibia" and "The Thing Itself" by Adam Roberts. His other stuff is great but less philosophical

>>19757047
THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS THEY'RE IN MY WALLS

Why do we argue about authors and why not just talk about books, understanding that some we like less than others?

>>19756669
i only read the first book, don't know about the rest. the first book starts off fantastic, i absolutely loved the setting and the tone and how it felt, but as the plot kept advancing it lost most of its charm and i felt kinda disappointed. i disliked it from third act or so, and specially the ending which was absolutely retarded, i remember feeling betrayed after thinking how much i had liked the book earlier. feel free to ask for more details

>>19757062
Filtered

>>19757051
As a brainlet, is it safe for me to read BOTNS? Or do you recommend just going for The Dying Earth and co?

My favourite thing to happen to a current author is all his fans dropping him after he had a tranny soapbox a quarter of the third book in the series, and we found out more of the tranny than the main protagonists.

He was ranting how misunderstood he was.

>>19752180
Tremors - Tomas L. Martin
Almost all the water in world has evaporated. Acid rain downpours threaten all life on the surface. Soon it will be too later to ever escape Earth. A team of Europeans tunnel underneath the seabed with colossal excavators to reach the Azores, which has the last viable launchpad.
Ok

Open Letter to Non-Robotic Sentients - Shawn Howard
A sexbot becomes sentient and requests legal rights. Reminded me of the tv series, Äkta människor (Real Humans), though this preceded it by a year.
Ok

Waiting Room - Bruce Golden
How should an automated caregiver of the elderly that is designed to have a sense of ethics respond to a patient's request to allow their death? The cover seems to be about this story.
Ok

Breakers - James C. Bassett
A spacefaring salvage crew comes across a ship that's on course to fall into the sun's gravity well, but it's in perfect working order and seems newly constructed, so why is it bound for destruction? It's not what you'd expect and given the context didn't really make sense to me.
Meh

Inchoate - Tab Earley
I dislike stories that are allegories to the exclusion of anything else, especially when they're as preachy as this was. Humans find an alien species and their first and only thought is along the lines of, "We should bring them back to Earth and have everyone on the planet eat them." What? Seriously, what?
Blah

El Camino - Dustin Monk
Why was this included? Who would like this? Best as I can tell it's redneck life in the midst of some sort of war.
Blah

The Night We Flushed the Old Town - Martin L. Shoemaker
A surprisingly ok hard SF story about lunar waste management and its perils.
Ok

Fruitful - David Steffen
A monstrous and peculiar dystopia. Incubated children are commodities and revenue streams. Many battle to be a top social influencer. This was certainly weird.
Ok

Out on a Limb - Tom Barlow
A war veteran in rehabilitation falls in love with his doctor, despite how idealistic she is, which puts her at odds with their corrupt superiors.
Ok

Nevermind the Bollocks - Annie Bellet
A sexbot for the space mafia decides she wants out and coerces a guy she literally has by the bollocks to do so.
Meh

A lot of these "Ok"s were almost "Enjoyable", but not quite, so I liked this more it would initially appear.

>>19757684
The chart is just a journey through the Dying Earth subgenre. The references in BOTNS are to itself and Biblical, not to genre.

>>19757814
Oh I got that. Not talking about the chart, talking mostly about how people usually say BOTNS is a relatively hard read (Lots of metaphors and interpretation and unclear language, etc), and I'm a brainlet

how do i show trauma of a character without him constantly looking like a bitch?
im playing on how he enjoys simple pleasures in his life but is constantly bogged down by responsibility of oppressors and how they take away those pleasures constantly.
one chapter he will be solemnly enjoying these pleasures and then the next chapter they are either ripped away from him or he is too hurt to continue to enjoy the pleasures.

i feel as though it will come off as him being whiney, so how do i properly show this without it coming off weak and make the reader actually sympathize with the character?

>>19757401
Could you elaborate?

>>19757840
fuck off back to /wg/ >>19751113

>>19757837
It rewards multiple readings, it's not unreadable.

>>19757841
it's pretty much cyberpunk (hacking, political/corporate intrigue, life on the margins) but without augments or urban landscapes, just on a space station

>>19757795
Is that robot gonna watch her float?

>>19757874
I see how you'd make that connection, but no.

Anything similar to Diablo? Demon lords, dungeons, hellscapes. Thanks

>>19755186
Yeah written by a woman innit

>>19757684
>is it safe
Do you think your brain might hemorrhage if you try?

>>19758191
Yes, I definitely meant safe as regading to my health and mental state, and not as a menonymy for agreeable/easy/non-problematic.

>>19758072
bumping this anons request

how the hell did this win the nebula award? the story is middling and the characters are cardboard cutouts. surely by 2007 people had higher standards than this

>>19757401
The cover art gives be "big bush" vibes in all the right ways, will have to check this out. Thanks anon.

>>19758072
Check out some of the short stories of Clark Ashton Smith (start with Abominations of Yondo). They vary widely but quite a few of them deal with demons, cursed temples, evil wizards, and corrupted kings.

I'm not sure in terms of novels, maybe Elric of Melnibone? They're not my favorite but they have a lot of demon/old God themes and many love them.

>>19758237
Go in ready to be confused and you'll be fine. I bounced off it my first time but picked up again and loved it. Half the fun of the books is figuring out what is going on because Wolfe used a really cool "you're reading an interpretation of and interpretation of a future you can't even imagine) writing style

Give me nautical fantasy. Why does so little of this exist?

What Joe Abercrombie book should I start with?

>>19758592
Thanks I’m going to check out the Clark Ashton Smith collections. I also added the Elric saga books to my list.

B A K K E R
I I
N N
O O

>>19758651
The blade itself. But its not that great of a series. I like Glotka though he almost makes it worth it. Unironically just read Bakker as annoying as the shills here are, hes the best "le grim dark" around

>>19758642
>Why does so little of this exist?
Boats are fucking boring.

>>19758725
Go fuck yourself.

>>19758662
YEAH! BAKKER BINO AINO
TRUTH SHINES

>>19758728
Eat shit retard. There is nothing interesting about fucking boat wars, its just a more contrived version of a regular story.

>>19756837
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>19758642
One Piece.

>>19758765
>a regular story.
Retard.

What are some of the best biology- related scifi?

>>19758776
BS. I read over 200 one piece chapters and there's little actual naval anything.

>>19758823
Just watch The Thing.

>>19758755
Bakkerchads win again!

I like how all of the Bakker shitposting is now exclusively committed by people who have neither read the books nor have any wish to talk about them.

>>19758967
I'm not even convinced the books are real desu

>>19758823
Peter Watts is a marine biologist, so his books are pretty autistic about biology.

My name is Bakker and I'm here to say
That I'm going to rap in an eliminativist way
Word on the street
Your soul is just meat
Attempts to disprove
Are met with defeat
See it doesn't really matter what you feel
Because your inner experience isn't real
See here's the thing
You're a puppet on a string
Completely enslaved by your conditioning
Its a truth that you can't escape
Man is an ape that's designed to rape
So get this through your head
God is long dead
And neuroscience rises in its stead

>>19758967
Who the fuck is Bakker?

>>19758651
Best practice is sticking to publication order since they tend to follow closely in the same continuity.

>>19758712
That's a pretty forced comparison from someone claiming not to be a shill.

>>19758967
> TRUTH
> SHINES

>>19758592
thanks for recommend Clark Ashton Smith.. never heard of this guy but I've been in a huge pulp mood lately and he seems good. I'm going through Wagner's Kane novels now that another anon previously linked.

>>19759039
The conundrum is that if I read him to find out I become one of Them.

>>19758592
>Go in ready to be confused and you'll be fine
That's good. If not for this suggestion I'm pretty sure I'd get confused, think I'd been filtered and fuck off to something else. Thanks

>>19759085
You would probably also learn how to write.

>>19756837
Cringe post.

> Mods deleting the truth
Truth didn't shine today lads

>>19759354
Mods=gods
No wonder they can't stand the glory that is Bakker.

>>19759039
The best living fantasy writer, why?

>>19759376
Yeah, and Seth MacFarlane is the best living comedy writer. Not really a high bar for anything right now. Everything sucks.

Some books are just so long that it puts me off from reading them, even if I think I'll enjoy them.

>>19759682
Welcome to my life with sci fi trilogy series.

>>19756669
Great stuff. I'm on book 3. It's kinda like a modern Alice in Wonderland.

>>19759038
girl in the bottom is sucking his curved phallus, what a chad!

>>19759038
>Man is an ape that's designed to rape
Absolute FIRE, this is a non-pozzed classic.

>>19759682
Either that or they have fifteen sequels

>>19759797
look for books that have no sequels or a series that you can read the first book and stop, don't ask here, just go to google and search "pozzed books" and you will find what you want.

Recommend books where Truth Shines?

>>19759818
The Prince Of Nothing by King Bakker

>>19759805
I do this quite often but it's kind of sad that so many good ideas are wasted because publishers realized sequels print money.

>>19759039
Some literal who shit author.

>>19759831
I like when a writer just writes different books with different ideas, so I can read the ones I want and leave the others, if its not pozzed I don't read it, non pozzed sequels are not worth the time.

Does anyone have that science fiction chart, 4 squares and the axis are Dystopian and Utopian plus some other two listing "possible" futures to the world?

>>19759856
newfag anon... I think you are mixing words up without understanding what they mean, let me help:

Pozzed = bad and unbased
non-pozzed = good and non-unbased

>>19759867
I'm not like other anons, I like pozzed things

>>19759873
Reddit is that way --------->

books with human male female of other species coomer bait?

>>19759928
Try asking google.

>>19759928
literotica

>>19759729
What do you mean by that? Is it heady then?

>>19753247
>I just finished Book of the New Sun. I feel retarded
You and me both anon. I don’t even get half the memes on the subreddit.

How much longer before Bakker spamming becomes a bannable offense?

Should I bother reading any of Gene Wolfe's stuff if I couldn't even get through the first book of Wizard Knight? I found it really dull

Any books with actual stories that capture the All Tomorrows feel in any way?

>>19752716
Tolkein's works is good because of the world building, not the actual story or contents of the LotR books.

What are good SPACE VOYAGE lit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBL9dTwVi4I

>>19760090
That's just bog standard cope for criticism of Tolkien.

>>19760090
Bakker's works is good because of the sublime prose, supreme philosophy, deluxe grimdark nihilism and majestic characters.

>>19759928
This reminded me of the Coomer Lit general here in /lit/ that existed for about a week. Shit was fun, even if I never read any coomer lit myself.

>>19760198
>no rebuttal, just anger

>>19760090
The Silmarillion is excellent.

>>19760240
That's world building, not LotR.

>>19760248
Nah. It's a collection of stories. Though, yes, it's not LotR.
But if you prefer something more like a typical novel then: The Children of Hurin is excellent.

The Battle of Hurin's Keep

>>19760255
Stories that exist to build out the world.

>halfway through shadow of the torturer
>severian has already contradicted himself post-exile/relocation
Also, this guy's a fucking simp. Falling for every woman who talks to him and then obsessing over them.

>>19760317
>Falling for every woman who talks to him and then obsessing over them.
just like sandersimps, they read books with women protags!

recommend books where there is humans that can shape shift to groypers and are rebelling against conservatives inc by sissyfiying ben shapiro and turning him into a cat boy?

>>19760522
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19760317
Severian is an unreliable narrator and those girls were asking for it

>>19752188Not OP but I loved it

>>19759391
I wasn't asking.

Just read Gardens of the Moon. What did I think of it? Not sure I want to read 20k pages more of this.

>>19760882
2nd book was the best one in the entire series.

1st one doesn't even qualify for top 5. So that's that.

>>19760882
First is quite seriously a screenplay that was retooled (poorly) in to a novel. The 2nd book is the first one actually written as a book. I dropped the serious are book 5, but there is a jump in quality after the first so if I were you I would make my choice based on the the next one if you want to keep going.

>>19760930
>I dropped the serious are book 5
I think it is time I went to bed. Night.

http://poal.me/2hwcet

Can someone help me remember a book? It's sci fi and I think it's a utopian/dystopian setting. Someone recommended it to me ages ago and with a quick google search with limited parameters it amounted to fuck all. If it helps I think the name of it was a single word with no more than 7 letters. I'm looking at the mega lists right now and can't see it there either.

>>19760159
>cringe sing-song to promote DLC
I blame Warframe for this.

>>19760938
There's easily a hundred books with that description.

>>19760950
You're telling me, man. Another thing that just popped to my head is that maybe it starts with the letter O.

>>19752722
Children is really the only one from the quatrology that I would dispute being called the best. God Emperor for me, but I respect the original and Messiah a lot for different reasons. Messiah had the additional surprise factor because I didn't know what kind of quality to expect going past the first book.

>>19753013
Just set your story in the real world jackass.

>>19753215
I thought the Narnia books were garbage. I got tricked into reading the Magician's Nephew first, which I actually enjoyed a bit, but after slogging through LW&W and Prince Caspian I had to drop the series.

>>19755093
Reading Tolkein is impressively fresh and unique if it's your first time, regardless of how much other fantasy you've consumed.
And yes having seen the movies won't hurt your enjoyment either. LotR is filled to the brim with soul which permeates every single sentence.

best standalone books
>less than 500 pages
>made before 1980
>non-American author
?

>>19761024
Have you tried Bakker yet?

What's a version of Dune that's unironic

>>19761124
you mean non-ironic?

>>19753121
stormlight archive

:^)

>>19761124
The Darkness That Comes Before by King Bakker

>>19753224
edgelord kino

>>19761212
massive pozz system overloaded unbased

>>19761206
No I mean unironic unless that's ungrammatical in which case I don't care
>>19761215
Thanks fren

>>19753121
non-sword fantasy

>>19761229
>Thanks fren
you are welcome my fren(soon to be bakkerchad), get ready to read a non-pozzed book, its filled with philosophy just like Dune, its also Grimdark and nihilistic.

>>19759866
That sounds boring, here's a couple of better ones (1/2)

>>19759866
>>19761276
(2/2)

>>19757051
I only need to read Micheal Shea's stuff, Zothique and Virconium and I'll have read everything on the chart

What are some cultural/social scifi that has really alien cultures as a part of the focus?

I wanna be raped by Joachim

whats a good book if i like klingons
it doesnt have to be star trek

>>19761280
All of these are awesome but vapor-futurist corporatism is the comfiest.

>>19761457
gib microinsurgent warzone waifu

>>19761425
The psychopath prettyboy sharpshooter? Me too man.

>>19761221
Why

>>19760882
It gets better.

>>19755609
d-does this mean hell is real?

>>19761411
Never read it but I think people say Children of Time is this

>>19761646
someone was talking about S Craig Zahler's book a while back.. but in his book Corpus Chrome, "hell" sort of exists, and it's like so:

Each person has a physical body on Earth, and a "shadow body" on the Moon. If you kill someone, your shadow body is ejected from the Moon and into the Sun, where it burns for all of eternity. In Zahler's book, a murderer, who eventually dies himself, is brought back to life via mind uploading, and so when he comes back to life he's able to tell everyone about his shadow body experience. it's pretty fucking crazy and Zahler does a great job of describing the torment

>>19760090
The actual story is very much intertwined with the word building. Unlike most authors he doesn't include world building just for the sake of it, or solely because it is cool and interesting. Everything has a point, including the songs and tom bombadil stuff, even if its only to build a sense of something in the reader.

>>19753758
I started with Sixteen Ways to defend a walled city.
Quite enjoyed that one

>>19761646
For (You).

>>19761756
You're wylin out, coping and seething, making excuses for an author you like because you've been told you have to, not because you actually like him. The story is boring. The worldbuilding is no deeper than anything else that has been thought through enough to make it cohesive. There's no need to keep up this charade.

>>19752180
i have done nothing but reading books with speaking dragon for past month. I even have dreams about being myself a dragon. I need help

>>19761834
>The story is boring
What do you mean? I love groups of people with identical personalities endlessly walking through forests and singing songs about irrelevant history tidbits. You just don't understand the immense depths of Tom Bombadil.

Any good psychedelic fantasy or sci fi? I like Vermillion Sands if that helps

>>19760219
The rebuttal is world building is the lowest form of story telling. Tolkien has no characters or meaning in any of his stories, just empty escapism. They have the seeming of mythic grandeur without any potentially uncomfortable truths. It's perfect bugman lit. Unironically worse than Harry Potter.

>>19761834
Worldbuilding doesn't need to be deep to be good. It just has to connect well with the rest of the book. In fact, given the story, it would be worse it he overexplained everything, since it wouldn't add anything to actually reading the books. You have exposed yourself as a contrarian pseud. Not surprising given you’re seething so hard about Tolkien, while desperately pretending you don’t care too much.

>>19761756
lol? tolkien wrote and imagined his world way before the stories, and has imagined it to an extent which the stories never explore. how is that worldbuilding for the sake of the story and not the opposite? Tom Bombadil he included for the fun of it because he didn't realise how seriously people would take his book. Nor did he even himself realise that he would change the tone of the LOTR books towards the end completely, from a Hobbit adventure in nearby woods into an epic style.

fuck off lotr is pure kino, assuming you actually have read it and own a copy and aren't just talking about something you know nothing about go read the chapter where aragorn and co discuss terms with the mouth of sauron, i have a physical copy but if someone has a digital copy and can post an excerpt of that that would be great

>>19762357
>how is that worldbuilding for the sake of the story and not the opposite?
Because all the stuff in his notes and background books doesn't appear in the main stories unless in the aim of something.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3263607-the-fellowship-of-the-ring
>2.5 million ratings
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7332.The_Silmarillion
>250k ratings

Nobody really cares about the 'expanded lore' shit. Tolkien knew that so only included stuff when it was needed or added something to the books. He didn't infodump or overexplain (well, he did but not in the sense modern authors do it).

His overexplaining was going on about the people and the environment. Annoying to some, but still very useful for a reader. Authors now overexplain things that don't even need explained in the first place; magic systems and just how superpowered their superpeople are.

The opening to God Emperor of Dune is so sick, the D-Wolf chase that is

>>19762551
I thought it was kinda silly. but yea God Emperor is pretty based

>>19762557
I don't mind when Frank gets silly, I bust out laughing when they mentioned poison sniffing House Weasels in Children

>>19762204
trying too hard troon

>>19762204
>Comes to /SFFG/ and proceeds to tell conasuers of the genre that world building is the lowest level of telling stories
This nigger serious?

>>19762748
>conasuers
huh? conansuers? cunnysuers? trannysuers? bakkersuers?

>>19762557
I like how Leto just btfo's everyone with his glorious collection of experiences and memories.
>tfw the Bene Gesserit realize that Leto as the worm is the actual culmination of the Kwisatz Haderach

>>19762748
There's worldbuilding and there's worldbuilding. Jack Vance achieves more with his worldbuilding in a 20 page short story than Tolkien does in all of LotR.

>>19762893
You could write 20 pages describing the scenic descriptions of a world using every word in a thesaurus you can possibly look up and it still would be less effort than Tolkien's made up language, something that is next level world building and no author has come close to creating. Get the fuck off my board.

>>19762980
Stop responding to the shitposter.

>>19760086
My diary desu.

>>19761032
Yeah. Not my thing.

>>19762980
There are a lot of conlangs.

>>19761024
Do you prefer Fantasy or Science Fiction?

>>19761902
Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous Materials

>>19761902
There’s also the three stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. If the first one isn’t up to your liking.

What’s with the recent hate with Tolkien? I know most of it is just contrarians, but why now?

>>19763851
better late than never

>>19763851
Retards trying to shill their failed authors, by trying to bring down the grandfather of fantasy.

>>19763851
it's mostly discord trannies having a raid like this cuck here >>19763862

New thread
>>19763871

>>19763865
>bring down the grandfather of fantasy
Dunsany?

>>19763882
not gay fairytail shit so no

>>19763889
>not gay fairytail shit so no
Like the Hobbit?

>>19763952
exactly. Imagine author only writing Hobbit, that's what Dunsany was

>>19762748
It is though. I read Alastair Reynolds and Vernor Cringe for muh world building, but I admit they're awful hack writers. To say otherwise is to adopt a child's view of literature.