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>>19733781
I can’t take claims of “neo-feudalism” seriously when we are clearly transitioning to socialism.

>Borders between nations fading
>Family structure eroded
>Consolidation of wealth and means of production into the hands of the vanguard party (Western elite)

>>19733814
>everything is being privatized
>it's socialism bro
Americans are dumbest fucking nigger apes to have ever existed

>>19733781
Already claimed by Berdjaev in "The New Middle Ages". Nothing original.

>>19733826
If they slapped a hammer and sickle on Amazon’s logo you would be celebrating it as a great socialist institution. Read “The People’s Republic of Walmart”. The megacorporations are creating socialism as we speak.

>>19733838
you're fucking retarded. get back to work, lunch break's over

>>19733814

>Borders between nations fading for capital and the professional class
>Family structure eroding for the lower classes. The professional classes are taking good care of their families and networks
>Consolidation of wealth and means of production into the hands of the propertied elite

It's techno-feudalism we're facing

>everything i don't like is socialism
>no, everything i don't like is feudalism
>socialism!
>feudalism!
>socialism!
>feudalism!
consider getting a job

>>19733856
>>Borders between nations fading for capital and the professional class
>>Family structure eroding for the lower classes
Marx thought this was good and needed for the emergence of socialism from capitalism.

> The professional classes are taking good care of their families and networks
Not true at all. Hell, members of the professional class don’t even have kids, and what networks they have exist for furthering their careers.

>>19733856
>>19733879
I forgot
>>Consolidation of wealth and means of production into the hands of the propertied elite
You should look at it as being equivalent to the CCP: an elite class managing the means of production on behalf of the working class

>>19733826
We see the government as just another company. The difference between a state and a company is arbitrary from a practical point of view. And we are already living in an age where a private company has more power than the state on whose alotment of land it is headquartered on. One solution is to reduce the individual power of all companies as much as possible and to keep their power in a perpetual equilibrium relative to each other, while at the same time maintaining the individual freedoms of the citizens as much as possible. If either the former or the latter fails we will militarize under the leadership principle.

>>19733888
Is China communist, or are they capitalist? I can never get a consistent response.

>>19733838
And how exactly, pray tell, are they creating socialism? Because from this angle, all i see is consolidation, monopolies, erosion of worker bargaining rights, and mass privatization even of things previously publicly subsidized. Very hard for me to wrap my head around allegedly socialist corporations conducting mass layoffs and stock buybacks.

>>19734012
They are communist. Just look at them. Anyone saying they are capitalist is being disingenuous.

>>19733781
This whole thing’s gonna blow up anyways, you can’t maintain advanced civilization with negative fertility rates and a sub-100 IQ population,

>>19734026
So you agree that Taiwan is part of China, right? They hang the flag of the ROC and a pic of Chiang Kai-shek, famous Chinese nationalist

>>19734012
Only extreme tankies think it's communist and then only by stalinist definitions of "communism in one state" engaged in death struggle with capitalist states, which is basically a religious mythology. Everybody else thinks it (and the USSR) were "red capitalism," in the sense that the party replaced the bourgeoisie as the dominant class. Communism is a classless society, any society with a peasantry dominated by a party apparatus is not a classless society.

The last people who weren't tankie stalinist LARPers to have faith or interest in Chinese communism were the '50s and '60s Maoists who thought that Mao was basically a fascist communist who was going to do Stalinism "right" so that it doesn't implode into a decrepit corrupt USSR. But it did exactly that, so finding sincere Maoists is hard, mostly all you can find is ex-Maoists who are now like 80 year old professors.

The only CCP supporters left are psy-op'ed tankie edgelords online, the left's equivalent of Nazbols or "beefsteak nazis" (brown exterior red interior) since they are red exterior brown interior. Just USSR-admiring quasi-fascists, people who would be fascists if they were ethnonationalists but for whatever reason that's not an option for them so they pick the other "team" and start LARPing with its "aesthetics" instead.

>>19734025
They are doing literally what they should be doing to bring about the socialist stage of development: eroding nations, eroding families, and building the productive forces. The suffering of workers now is a necessary sacrifice to speed up the transition to socialism. Again, it’s similar to the CCP. The average Chinese factory worker might not be happy, but they need that to reach the socialist stage.

>>19734054
I can't tell if you think they are deliberately doing that or if you understand it is an unintended consequence of terminal capitalism, but i assure you these corporations function solely on the axiom that the party can't end, not that there are long-term socialist mechanisms at play regarding their corporate strategies

>>19734039
Yes

>>19734040
1. See >>19734026
2. Socialism in one state is the only legitimate approach to building a socialist society. There’s a reason the CCP is so pro-Stalin, to this day. If it looks like fascism it’s because they took the good parts of fascism and made it work.

>>19734075
>unintended consequence of terminal capitalism
That’s the thing: it’s not unintended, it’s the point. That’s why they do what they do. Not for profit, not for their nation or anything like that. They do what they do to bring about the socialist stage of development.

>>19734085
>Yes
thank you for the correct response.

>>19734092
But this makes no sense from a capitalist standpoint, nor from the interpretation of both words and actions conducted by these companies. They have record-breaking profits and seek more and more at the expense of literally everything that might stand in their way. To any observer this is clearly just unchecked greed and the predicted cause of capitalism's inevitable demise.

But lets say this is all part of their plan for a socialist revolution. Why would they want such an event? Why would they want their party to have to stop? If they function on pure greed, how does collapse reconcile with it? What do they hope or expect to achieve once the collapse happens? And considering, as i said, that the fall was already predicted to occur under these very conditions, is it not more reasonable to assume this is just the natural trajectory instead of a deliberate plot?

>>19734114
>Why would they want such an event?
They are Marxists, they want to follow his theories.
>Why would they want their party to have to stop? If they function on pure greed, how does collapse reconcile with it?
The elite are much more benevolent that you seem to think.
>What do they hope or expect to achieve once the collapse happens?
They want to achieve the socialist stage of development and then the communist stage. Why? Again, they are Marxists and want to bring about what Marx wanted.

>>19734144
Incorrect on all counts. They're not Marxists. They are capitalists. Marx was a capitalist too. All communists necessarily capitalists and they can't be communists without being so. You have the causality precisely backwards.

>>19733781
Uh, reactionary bros, wasn’t this the retvrn to tradition we wanted?

>>19734144
Ok, I just wanted to confirm you had no idea what you were talking about. Please see
>>19733826

>>19734205
The funny thing is that you socialists are literally getting everything you wanted, but now that you see what it is, you hate it. The sad thing is that you can’t accept that this is what socialism is. I genuinely hope you understand this sooner or later.

>>19734217
>the worst excesses of terminal capitalism are actually socialism, not what comes after its inevitable collapse. checkmate
i feel like maybe you didn't read and take to heart the post i so nicely quoted for you

>>19734245
Whatever makes you feel like you are right, I guess. Hopefully you’ll wake up someday.

Can I be a knight?

>>19733781
>Here's your Charlamagne bro

It is a decent book, although I prefer pic related.

>>19734217
Please go back to facebook or /ptg/

>>19734025
>pray tell

absolute pretentious faggot

>Here's your Joan of Arc bro

this is an extremely embarrassing thread
however, we have just witnessed the biggest wealth transfer in all of history under the guise of a pandemic
>>19734464
i want her to step on me

Uh-oh.

I skimmed it and felt the book was social science garbage. All fluff and sophistry. Which /lit/ loves, of course...

>>19733838
that's not what that book argues

>>19734621

>>19734464
Who’s her Gilles de Rais?

>>19734452
I see you have chosen not to engage with a single question i asked. shifty pseud faggot

>>19734685
You sound surprised that this individual could read an entire popsci book and have no idea what the fuck it was about

>>19733781
>he needed to read a book to learn this
i learned all of this in 2002 from my nigga El-P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJFq6VjHJI
>You're behind the walls of new Rome, you wanna buy the farm (you wanna kill yourself)
>But the land's not yours to own (but your life's not yours to take)
>Who owns Police? Who holds fold green, sold sand to beach?

>>19734920
Me

>>19734054
This is a retarded culture warrior understanding of "socialism." Capitalism erodes families and nations, capitalism needs "productive forces."

>>19733814
>>19733838
Embarrassing

>>19733838
>you would be celebrating it as a great socialist institution
No I wouldn't be
wtf

>>19735220
are you trying to mock me? if not please find your own adjective to describe this thread as i have already used that one.

>>19734431
good to see this on /lit/

>>19735262
>posts the most braindead delusional takes on western capitalism
>thinks socialists want amazon and walmart to adopt the hammer and sickle
>posts tranime bullshit
im so sorry you have to live like this

>>19735322
>>thinks socialists want amazon and walmart to adopt the hammer and sickle
but they do. half of bunkerchan posts are bitching about bezos and gates not giving antifa enough money.

>>19733781
So who wants to be a feudal lord lol. I'm down. Buy yourself some property anon. You'll do fine

>>19734054
And they call /lit/ a smart board lmao

>>19733781
The whole "Mexico's taking over" bit is one of the things the right has been the most incorrect on, we're reeling the Northern Mexican states into our economic orbit and away from Mexico city in a truly fascinating way. Imo, in the future we will see something akin to border stock markets where these small techno-fiefdoms will be sold. There's this idea on the right that the reason liberalism is bad is because it doesn't actually cause any of the positive things is purports to aim for, but imo it's equalizing everything and everyone as we speak. The real fear for me is that the future humans will be happy under neo-feudal liberalism, that it will make good on all of it's promises.

>>19734351
You say it as if he has to be the man Charlemagne was to wield the same influence

>>19733838
>The megacorporations are creating socialism as we speak.
Good one anon, thanks for that.

>>19733781
LARP

>>19735701
Hey to be the retard's advocate, lots of anons take Moldbug seriously and that guy believes the CIA was a communist organization

>>19735560
this place is peak midwit and always has been

I often think that it would be best to just mostly avoid using terms like "feudalism" and "socialism". As we can see in this thread, such terms have so much emotional baggage and are interpreted so differently by different people that they are more of an impediment rather than an aid to understanding.

>>19733838
Maybe read something that isn’t legitimate propaganda mkay?

>>19733838
>>19735777
> Leigh Phillips is a science writer whose work has appeared in Nature, Science, the New Scientist, and the Guardian, among other publications. Michal Rozworski is a union researcher and writer based in Vancouver, Canada. He holds graduate degrees in economics and philosophy and publishes frequently on political economy. Michal Rozworski is a union researcher and writer based in Vancouver, Canada. He holds graduate degrees in economics and philosophy and publishes frequently on political economy.
Never mind, you’re utterly hopeless. It’d be best if you just killed yourself

>>19735790
>its propaganda ONLY if produced by slobbering retards picked up off the street
what kind of person do you envision, exactly, that produces what you would call propaganda?

>>19735808
The type of inbred idiot such as yourself that believes mega corporations are ushering in the new “people’s republic of (brand).” The fact that you can’t see blatant propaganda published by Jacobin magazine of all people really elucidates us on your midwit intelligence

>>19733838
good one

>>19735087
Beat me to it

>>19736146
We can team up

>ctrl + f God
>phrase not found
Evola probably best explains how a "neo-feudalism" is oxymoronic. The so-called feudalism of the future will never resemble the feudalism of the past because the metaphysical human and social orientation has diverted away from "upwards" and shifted "inwards" since the death of God. The ruling class of today lacks all nobility and divine association that imbued previous ruling castes with obligations toward their subjects. Say what you will about the worst despots of the Middle-Ages, they would still be preferable to the bourgeois-nihilist hard-materialist utilitarian that rules over the world today. At least under a theologically structured feudalism you knew who your lord was and that he feared eternal judgement all the same as you, now we don't even know who our lords are, for they certainly aren't the politicians we ostensibly elect

I know that some pseuds will consider my take as a seething midwit cope but I for one am glad that many (((smalll businesses))) went bankrupt. I don't know how it is in other countries but in my country all business owners are heartleass fucking demons who expect you to toil 70+ hours like a chink sweatshop worker for their dreams. A big chunk of the middle class in my country have embraced the advent of multinational corporations because of their humane working conditions and greater upward mobility. If you work for one of these entities you'll get a >40 hour work week, mandatory vacation days, holydays off, yearly raises, paid overtime and a salary closer to what you can get in a western yuro country. If you work in a local sweatshop also known as a small local business you can expect to work anywhere between 60 to 80 hours/week with no breaks, no weekends, no holydays for less than minimum wage and God forbid you ask for vacation days, on top of your employer considering every possibility screwing with your contract so they can pay less taxes.
Tl;dr fuck small businesses

>>19733781
The fact that neo-fuedalism IS on its way and anti-intellectualism and Trumpism on the rise, is why most people will not agree/accept these realities.

They are happening because people are no longer capable of perceiving their own reality with any sort of objective truth. Too many have been brainwashed into bringing about this new system for us to do anything about it.

The right will continue to vote against their own interests until there is no middle class.

>>19734026
You are actually a very unintelligent person if you believe that and aren't trolling.

China is extremely capitalist. The communism is a facade so that their people think the movement is for them.

Hitler literally did the same thing by pretending to be a socialist until he gained power, and then murdered every socialist in his own party.

You are a dumb nigger.

>>19733838
Crony capitalism doesn't exist, tardo.

>>19733781
so hospitals are like monastries and doctors are the new bishops. as a medical student it feels good. I want to be a prince bischop

>>19734621
Bolsonaro is protestant

>>19733781
You realize "tech oligarchs" would be part of the Third Estate too, right. The big socioeconomic aspect of feudalism is the concentration of wealth and power in control over land.
This entire thread is a torrent of sophistry.

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>>19735404
t. has never EVER read marx

>>19733814
you gotta be trolling bro lmao

>>19737939
he might just be because every single one of his responses gets ridiculed yet he still comes back for more beratement

>>19733814
You got no clue

>>19733838
>The megacorporations are creating socialism as we speak.

>>19733826
Frogposting and still believing people care what you think. Crazy.

>>19733781
Who cares

>>19738290
He gets a pass for naming the mutt

>>19733814
wildly retarded take

>>19733838
>The megacorporations are creating socialism as we speak.
This is your brain on /pol/

>>19734040
So communism is utopia?

>>19733781
This is what is planned but it won't pan out. Pluralism is going to get backstabbed and/ignored until it's completely anathema. The model deserved to be ended decades ago but people as always tolerate too much until some tries to kill them directly.

>>19733781
>muh feudalism bad
reddit shit, I wish we had actual feudalism like during the middle ages

>>19733814
>Borders between nations fading
https://unherd.com/2021/11/theres-nothing-woke-about-crypto/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0263276421999439
Enjoy new virtual borders

>Family structure eroded
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-nuclear-family-was-a-mistake/605536/
The rich ones technically still perform the 'extended' family, since their children are tended by servants. The poor can't afford none, so their children become dumb.

>>19736410
This. Its gonna be more like late Late Roman Empire with uncaring and irresponsible patricians exploiting plebs from their self sustainable estates guarded by foreign born mercenaries, while everything around them declines. Elites will commit more follies and excesses as their unaccountability, moral indifference and social detachment increase. One could hope for barbarian takeover, restoring some sanity and basic freedom for commoners, but modern technology and pushing transhumanism can cause the mass extinction instead. Could end up being so bad that one day we will wish for the islamic beheaders to save us all from technocratic Hell on Earth.

>>19733814
this "socialism" you are referring to is called stake-holder capitalism and DAVOs/WEF do NOT want anons to be class conscious and see the relation of workers and the means of production.
you are correct anon, we are going into a world of "socialism". I'm am glad you are against it.

>>19736585
>wageslawing for a corporation
>middle class

Janusz, you got it wrong. They call some desk cucks and accountants a middle class because they can get a 30 years loan for an apartment and lease a car. Thats a great lie, an illusion created to appease people enough without allowing them actual social mobility. Financial independence and property are traits of middle class, which wage workers do not have and wont ever be able to achieve, except for few high skill professions. The whole system depends on keeping them indebted. Middle class consists of those villified small and medium business owners and its being exterminated. Also those good working conditions are largely temporary, in globalized economy with interchangeable population they wont be necessary to attract workers. The only thing that keeps corporations from exploiting you just like ancient slaves is national state. And that state is now being replaced by unaccountable global entities.

>>19733814
Sure, sure, the corporations will shower you with gibs and rights instead of replacing you with 1000 millions of migrant workers or siccing the private security on your ass. Good luck with appealing to the politicians or prosecutors bought by the great capital. Or better yet, appealing to the global government hidden somewhere in New Zealand, kek. After you get cancelled onnline, perhaps take pontoon and try to get there with the paper placard. Hope you will manage to avoid mines and drones on the way, buddy.

>>19733781
> Our society is being rapidly reduced to a feudal state

I fucking wish.

>>19733781
I agree we should eventually deal with our "royalty", "clergy" and the "People that perform blood libels", yes.

>>19737911
Fascit economy; it's only be called Communist while it's "working".

>>19736410
How naive must one be to think that the lords of the middle ages sincerely feared the judgement of god?

>>19733781
No, I believe this is something different.
You can make comparisons, sure, but calling it Neo-something would be misguided. It's very much its own thing, the world has changed long since feudalism last expired (several centuries to barely a hundred years ago depending on interpretation)
So no I do not agree. The dynamics will be very different now that shit like TV exists.

>>19740932
t. doesn't know what communism nor fascism is

>>19740932
Cope. You don't know what communism nor fascism is.

>>19741039
>The abscess on the King's left arm dried up in early September 1380 and Charles prepared to die. On his deathbed, perhaps fearful for his soul, Charles announced the abolition of the hearth tax, the foundation of the government's finances. The ordinance would have been impossible to carry out, but its terms were known, and the government's refusal to reduce any of the other taxes on the people sparked the Maillotin revolt in 1381.


Yeah, they were materialist atheists, trust me, bro.

>>19741039
The clergy? Absolutely, you are correct. Literally everyone else? No, you are absolutely, comically wrong. The Medieval period is full of people doing incredibly stupid things in the name of very sincerely held religious beliefs that were usually wildly divergent from whatever garbage the Pope was rubber-stamping that day.

>>19733781
i reject this meme as feudalism was based compared to what we have now as a creepy cyberpunk dystopia

>>19738512
okay midwit don't complain when amazon owns your asshole and rents it out

>still thinking socialism even exists as a concept.
It's so fake and retarded that if you could reach the world of forms you wouldn't be able to find it.

>>19733781
In other words: the 20/80 principle exists
More news at 9

>>19733904
Corps still don't have more power than the state. They aren't sovereign and they just follow the trend like everyone else.

>>19734040
The USSR was communist in the way that they advertized their goal as being communism. Of course, communism is a mythical fantasy that just serves as religion for leftists. The state has always been with us and it will never go away.

Now that Capitalism has an undisputed choke-hold on the world, it's just going back to its roots, like company stores, child labor and and unfettered pursual of maximum return for minimum possible investment.

>>19742445
>They aren't sovereign
why be sovereign when you can control the sovereign?

>>19742477
Then they would be sovereign but they aren't. They follow the rules of the bureau and hope to dodge some regulations. They don't have social power nor influence beyond their goal to make money. Beyond that, they don't care about power

>>19742512
>They don't have social power nor influence beyond their goal to make money. Beyond that, they don't care about power
are you naive or just ignorant?

>coming of

read lenin

>>19734040
I think you're right but that a distinction should be made between a system where the corporate heads are given positions by the government, and systems where moneymen give positions to politicians

>>19736585
>multinational
>good

>>19733781
What comes after that?

>>19733781
This is nothing like feudalism you fucking retard

OHH MUH EBIL MEBIEVAL TIMES ITS FEUDAL I TELL YOU
shut the fuck up

>>19733904
>The difference between a state and a company is arbitrary from a practical point of view.
The big difference is that a state can put a gun to your head and force you to pay. Otherwise correct.
>And we are already living in an age where a private company has more power than the state on whose alotment of land it is headquartered on.
Not in America. The US government is the most powerful organization in history.
>One solution is to reduce the individual power of all companies as much as possible and to keep their power in a perpetual equilibrium relative to each other,
The power then goes to the organization responsible for balancing the power.

Just read:

>The Road to Serfdom by Hayek
>Civilization and its Discontents by Joseph Stiglitz (phub)
>The Managerial Society by Burnham
>The Affluent Society by Galbraith (similar to The Managerial Society)
>The Great Transformation by Polanyi

Hayek knew this from the beginning. Stiglitz is excellent. He's a Nobel Laureate, led the World Bank, Clinton's Economic team, and the push for our current model for 30+ years. Then after being a career insider he became redpilled, pulled a 180, and spent the last 20 year debunking his brainchild.

And he supports Georgism. You can't be more based than that.

>>19733781
Ya I did read it, the guy's a conservative that just takes a bunch of assumptions from American liberalism and sees deviations from that as abnormal and therefor calls them "feudal". There's no reason to believe capitalism should necessarily result in wide spread property ownership with a big "middle class" that can leverage from capital gains on their property, it was mostly New Deal era reforms that secured and institutionalized that growth model from collapsing already in the 1930s and allowed suburbanization to carry on. Also his entire notion of class is stupid... if you seriously believe all tech workers are better positioned than plumbers/mechanics/etc you're not analyzing reality well probably. There's been no real dramatic transformation in the American class structure in modern times beyond a rise in the lumpenproletariat since the 1970s with homelessness and such growing.

> If you agree with its analysis, then what is the way out?
Like I said he's basically a typical American conservative that sees some strategic liberalization as a way to bring back the 1950s... but what he sees as "feudal" forms of property and class relations are perhaps just not imposed by politics but normal market calculations

>>19744099
>Hayek knew this from the beginning
Hayek thought social democracy would defeat liberalism and that would lead to Stalinist communism taking over the globe and gulags.

>And he supports Georgism
Henry George ironically wanted to tax out of existence the primary form of gains that the American middle class used to secure their wealth in the 20th century.

I refuse to read books written by journalists.

>>19743845
If we're not living in feudalism, why is this very thread filled with feuds? Please read the thread before you post next time.

>>19733814
Everyone's calling you retarded but you're right, doesn't mean the ruling class won't try to maintain the contradiction. This neo-feudalism stuff is boomer sentimental bullshit. Just crying about change. Small businesses are inefficient and nothing to worship.

>>19744845
>Henry George ironically wanted to tax out of existence the primary form of gains that the American middle class used to secure their wealth in the 20th century.
Fucking based

>>19744052
>The big difference is the state can put a gun to your head and force you to pay
Corporations can and have done this too, just look at the banana republics in the past in Central America. Even worse is when they can convince the actual state to intervene on behalf of their profits.
>The U.S. government is the most powerful organization in history
Perhaps at being in debt and being a bureaucratic nightmare. The only reason the US seems to be powerful is because the military can enforce their banking system, which in turn allows them to hold more debt, in a self fulfilling cycle. Thus it could be said the banks are in fact the most powerful organization in history.
>The power then goes to the organization responsible for balancing power
Yes, that is the point and I believe a corporatist republic with a system of checks and balances would be ideal at holding this equilibrium

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>>19733838
It's frightening that as the techno-feudal lords acquire more power, as literally everything becomes privatized, the talking heads you listen to have somehow managed to convince you that we're moving towards socialism.

>>19734093
>even chinaman has to larp as a westerner to appear "based"

how embarrassing, i bet you don´t like seeing your face on the mirror

>>19734180
yes, moldbug will work as a serf in the new establishment

>>19734621
das rite

>>19733781
>Our society is being rapidly reduced to a feudal state, a process now being exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Remove the second "being".
> many others stuck into the status of a property-less serfs.
Clunky, ungrammatical sentence. "Stuck into the status"? Plus, "serfs" should not be plural here. It should be "status of a propertyless serf". Come on.

I stopped reading here. There must be many more errors but I can't be bothered pointing them out. An illiterate author is not worth reading.

>>19736410
>your lord was and that he feared eternal judgement all the same as you


i find that hard to believe, it was all realpolitik to them, same as the pope, it was a fucking charade

>>19737424
isn´t Bill Gates one of the biggest landowners in the US, the transition is happening

>>19733781
The difference to real feudalism is that feudalism would strictly determine your state in life at birth. We're not quite there yet. Of course the privileged class has a huge advantage, but there's still no legal framework against social movement.

neoliberal retards need to stop talking about feudalism they have no idea how it actually functioned for example you had strong local and family bonds under feudalism you only worked part of the year and had more days off than the modern wagie you would actually know the name of your ruler its not some corporate technocrat living on another continent

>>19746611
it´s funny how morons like you think that life in rural areas was some sort of utopia, it was living in hell, and they didn´t had machinery like we do now, so all the stuff they did was by pure sweat and blood, of course dumb 4channers like you never leave the house

>>19746638
i never said it was utopia but this everything i don't like is feudalism is retardation of the highest order from people that know nothing about feudalism it is clearly better in some aspects than the modern world

lotta trannies seething in this thread

>>19746660
go work in a farm then, oversocialized 4channer


feudalism only worked because they were competing factions within society that restrain each other, not allowing one to completely dominate society, you had the noblity, crown, merchants, the church, etc..

if feudalism were to comeback you will lick the boot of a big corporation like the cuck you are because there will be no competing factions in the first place, the current society doesn´t have any resemblance to something akin to a descentralized system of power

>>19746692
low iq commie kys

>>19746709
you can´t refute my argument tradcuck

>commie

lol, you wish, i´m smart enough to know that all ideologies and religions (including yours) are pure bullshit