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>>19733680
>Wait a minute, the transgender undercurrent that's been sweeping the west these past few years is financed by the rich to remove excess undesirable males from society because war cannot fufill this function anymore??
yes, and I support it.
It's primarily the sterilization of autistic males

Transitioning isn't a "protest against the system" and no transgender person has ever thought it was. Transitioning is the physical re-alignment of the body with the internal perception of Self as woman. If a person grows up all their life feeling inside that they are a woman, but sees a man's body in the mirror every day, then that person will feel like they need to change their body to match with who they are. It's that simple.

>>19733702
Isn't the whole transgender movement predicated on the axiom that whatever you are is alright? That you should be at peace with yourself in your own skin?
Why are estrogen pills and genital mutilation needed if sex is just a social construct? Cant I be at peace as a woman in a man's body? The difference is artificial anyway

>>19733680
Stop trying to make tranny movement sound badass

>elites try to use tranny phenomenon to deradicalize fringe men by feminizing them
>trannies are the most batshit insane aggressive psychos on earth
>elites try to use trannyism's necessarily close association with "let's all be friends and validate eachother" leftism and progressivism to prevent young fringe men from becoming violent right wingers
>trannies are the so batshit insane they're 50x more violent and aggressive ass communists or anarchists than any right winger
>epidemic of tranny antifa violence/aggressive tankie rhetoric a major factor in provoking right wing ideology online since everybody who doesn't like trannies becomes the opposite of whatever they are, and nobody likes trannies
>elites try to use trannies to prevent society from fragmenting
>epidemic of trannies directly responsible for increased fragmentation, as even normal people can see them and go "wtf is happening to our society"

EVERYONE LAUGH AT THE ELITES!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>19733702
I'm not sure, there's clearly a proliferation of these types of creature that wasn't as big a few decades ago. Not to mention encouragement from the establishment. In some countries people's taxes pay for dick-chopping surgeries of the insane.

>>19733707
Right. Nobody in the transgender movement wants to force people to transition. They argue for the recognition of transgender women as women; that's their main goal.

>>19733733
Men are not women. And no delusion will change this.

>>19733702
Sounds like bullshit to me. Too much looking in the mirror and not enough looking inward. You people are dumb.

>>19733702
>with the internal perception of Self as woman
What does this actually mean?

>>19733702
But it isn't the internal perception of Self as woman, it is the perception of woman on the screen. The first generation to grow to adulthood with endless, infinitely diverse porn at their fingertips has also become the first one to absolutely explode in MtF cases. People joke about sissy hypno porn but you can find many people honestly admitting it singlehandedly made them go to great lengths to be sodomized and used as a fucktoy. Anime and hentai being so prevalent, filled to the brim with overly attractive and overtly sexualized women has aided in the male brain seeing only sexualized women, and confusing the Self for what has infested their brain from overexposure.

>>19733749
autogynephilia, a male fetish for being a woman

>>19733736
The argument isn't whether men are women. It's whether transwomen are women. In my view, it is clear that what we call "womanhood" is a socially constructed category and separate from sex. For example, the way women act, talk, walk, hold themselves, what they dress like, how they talk to each other and to men, what kinds of things they like doing -- all that is what defines a woman. It's hard to express it in stringent categories, but it's a way of being that permeates one's entire life. If a transwoman participates in all these things, why shouldn't I call her a woman?

>>19733750
This is a very intelligent post against a very dumb one.

trannies BTFO again

>>19733702
>Dude just mutilate your genitals because you have a mental disorder lmao

>>19733680
This argument falls apart because plenty of elite people and their kids are becoming trans. They would not fall for propaganda that they created.

Personally, I see the trans stuff as being mostly organic. Liberals want to support a socialist cause, but since all the big ones are done, they’ve been moving into fringe causes like trans rights. Trans people themselves are not really political actors as they are pawns in this culture war.

>>19733725
There are those in queue for elective surgeries in Canada waiting months if not years because 21 year olds overexposed to porn for the past 15 years want an axe to the crotch

>>19733755
>In my view
Your view is wrong and I do not consent to the debasing of clear scientific and social standards. Go away.

>>19733702
>transgender person
Lmao

>>19733760
If by elite people you mean faggots like Will Smith and so on, I'm not sure thats relevant. They're just court jesters and are not particularly bright.
Tell me when the next generation of Rotschilds become transgender and childless

>>19733760
>Political blocs are pushing this agenda in order to accrue political capital but its still totally an organic movement guys
Are you just fucking retarded, or are you drowning in cognitive dissonance?

>>19733755
>"womanhood" is a socially constructed category and separate from sex
Stopped reading there.

Even if the image of what a woman should be is partially socially-constructed (I don't dispute that), believing that having a woman's body means nothing and that you can be 100% equal to a man is the most idiotic thing humanity ever came up with. And I don't mean equal as in "equal rights", that's another matter. It is simply absurd to claim that female and male are the same thing. They are different and you should strive to find your own particular authenticity inside the sexual dimension that nature assigned you.

>>19733755
Why is there such a fixation on mutilating yourself if you can be a woman as a man acting like a woman? Its not society telling you to cut off your dick to become a woman

>>19733760
>They would not fall for propaganda that they created
this has happened much more frequently over the course of history than you seem to understand

>>19733773
It’s organic because it was grassroots up, not pushed from the top. The average Reddit liberal supported trans rights before the Democratic Party did.

>>19733760
>They would not fall for propaganda that they created
Wrong. Their parents are simply using them.

>>19733760
>Liberals want to support a socialist cause, but since all the big ones are done
Socialism is probably the most dead and unresponsive it has ever been in the past 150 years, at least in the west. unless youre refering to, like, social/civil causes

>>19733755
"Transwomen" are just men who feel they're women. Cut the crap, kid.

>>19733780
Give an example then.

>>19733789
I meant “social cause”

>>19733777
>Stopped reading there.
Stopped reading there.
>>19733778
Yeah, you don't have to go through transition in order to be considered a woman. That's a heresy called transmedicalism. Not all transwomen go through transition; the ones who do wish to be recognised as women, and they know transitioning will help them in this. Also, they probably feel more confident about presenting as a woman if they have female secondary sexual characteristics. You should probably ask a transwoman though not me why they do it.

>>19733755
A woman is an adult member of the human species of who belongs to the female sex. That's it. MtF trannies can be adult, they are definitely human, but they're not female. Therefore they will never be women.

Lmao what the fuck is wrong with America man. Get help.

>>19733760
Yep
I’m old enough to have watched the same game get played with gay people earlier.
Half of the arguments on both sides are just word-replaced.
Stupid political games.
People just want to be left alone and do what they have to do.

>>19733812
In this case doing what they have to do is getting fleeced by doctors with operations and estrogen pills and have their life cut short. Exactly the same thing as for gay people very astute observation

>>19733795
If what you think is le truth, then why this transgender phenomenon never took place before? Why, suddenly after 2010, the world fills up with trannies? You're telling me this isn't socially-constructed?

>>19733831
Bad argument, he'll respond with court eunuchs and other such situations

>>19733812
Yeah, this. I'm too old for this circus show. It's just the same damn astroturf every time

I remember when the big spook was Gay Marriage... whatever. I'm on team White Race Suicide Club

>>19733831
There were transgenders before 2010. There was even a transgender Roman emperor. The reason for its increase is due to social acceptance of alternative sexual and gender dynamics than cisgender heterosexuality.

>>19733835
>he
That's good, so we can laugh at them.

>>19733835
I hope he doesn't, because eunuchs have nothing to do with trannies

>>19733840
>The reason for its increase is due to social acceptance of alternative sexual and gender dynamics than cisgender heterosexuality.
Prove it. Or falsify that it's not social contagion + endocrine disruptors.

>>19733840
Bullshit. People before 2010 simply acted like the other sex if they felt so, without *becoming* the other sex.

Just kill yourself retard.

>>19733840
Do you believe the explosion is a spontaneous, natural result of this acceptance, or could socioenvironmental pressures be contributing to this phenomenon?

>>19733850
>Dio states that another "husband of this woman [Elagabalus] was Hierocles", an ex-slave and chariot driver from Caria.[5][77] The Augustan History claims that Elagabalus also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, while Dio says only that Zoticus was his cubicularius.[5][78] Dio says that Elagabalus prostituted himself in taverns and brothels.[6]

>Dio says Elagabalus delighted in being called Hierocles's mistress, wife, and queen.[79] The emperor reportedly wore makeup and wigs, preferred to be called a lady and not a lord, and supposedly offered vast sums to any physician who could provide him with a vagina.[79][80] For this reason, the emperor is seen by some writers as an early transgender figure and one of the first on record as seeking sex reassignment surgery.[79][81][82]

>>19733869
You're not proving anything by clinging to one historical example.

>>19733869
neat, a sex-crazed freak whoring themselves out in brothels ended up running an empire. truly an inspiration

>>19733869
so wait the essence of transgenderism is cooming too much? You just get bored of being a man and want to coom like a woman? Some kind of orgasm envy because men can coom once and women can coom endlessly?

>>19733702
>Transitioning is the physical re-alignment of the body with the internal perception of Self as woman.
Maybe the brain is wrong and not the body? Funny how all these trannies make idealist arguments when they are nothing but nihilistic materialists

>>19733890
It's not orgasm envy, it's pic related

>>19733755
I'm a cripple. I lost a leg some years ago. It's ok, my prosthesis is great. I go on with my life. But anybody telling me they need to chop off a perfectly healthy body part to become "the real me" is mentally ill to me. There's no way in hell that cutting off a fully functional body part is not a sign that there's something deeply wrong with your head, not with the organ these lunatics deem a burden.

>>19733911
That pic doesn't make any fucking sense. I only see people. You see "autogunephilics" and homosexuals. The one with mental issues is you.

>>19733680
Why is everything 4D chess with you people?

>>19733933
>Whenever I connect all the data points, they form a star shape... What does it mean?

>>19733927
Some trannies are better than others

>>19733927
>unlike you racists, I am colour-blind

>>19733911
theres no way im reading all that lol i would do the blonde on the upper right corner though

>>19733941
Exactly.

>>19733942
>I would fuck a man btw! Is anyone interested in that I would fuck a drag queen!
Trannies unsolicitedly sharing their fetish preferences in a public setting? I can't believe it!

>>19733942
>roughly 50-100 words
>"nigga i aimt readin all that"
id facefuck the blonde, too.

>>19733952
>KYM filename

>>19733721
>trannies are the most batshit insane aggressive psychos on earth
Taking the warrior/hunter/killer aspect and pump it full of female illogic will do that.

Do these threads ever change? It's always just "Fucking degenerate trannies KYS" vs "Trannies are real women, fucking cis shitlord"

What matters is that trannies are hot, then they are accepted, discounting gay panic killings.

>>19733925
People have panniculectomies every day anon

>>19733927
pfft what a fag i only see clouds of atoms

>>19733782
>The average Reddit liberal supported trans rights before the Democratic Party did.
I'd love to see any kind of evidence for this. Trans rights were absolutely not a topic of common discussion even as recently as the Obama administration.

60%+ of posters in this thread are shillbots

>>19733973
Sauce

>>19733721
Yeah trannies will attack people unprovoked, had to learn that one the hard way. I'm pretty sure this whole thing is going to go down in history as one of the greatest atrocities ever committed though. Whoever thought this one up is going straight to Hell. It's literal democide, a war crime.

Captcha: wdGAY

>>19734079
Trannies and black people are the two minorities most likely to go from 0 to physical assault with a stranger if they feel insulted, or sometimes just randomly

>>19733680
>Wait a minute, the transgender undercurrent that's been sweeping the west these past few years is financed by the rich to remove excess undesirable males from society because war cannot fufill this function anymore??

wars could remove massive chunks of the male population. how many trannies are there in reality? like 1% of men at most. very ineffective

>>19734115
AGP propaganda almost exclusively targets autistic males.
It's just eugenics of the mentally disabled (and that's a good thing)

>>19733684
>>19734125
Oh well, i might be autistic myself, but the silver lining is atleast only the incredibly retarded and/or dysfunctional autistic males fall for this shit. You don't have to look very far to see that the rest hate trannies

It might be cruel but atleast it's eugenic, i doubt anyone who had it in them to become a tranny in the first place would contribute much to society anyways

>>19734125
Don't trannies have a really high average IQ? I saw Nick Land say something like "they're the jews of gender" and it seems pretty true.

Why would we want to see all these intelligent young men turned to trannies?

>>19734160
Bro that’s a glownigger honeypot account.

>>19734178
Unsurprising. They're "vertical thinkers" so they really don't know any better other than that special skill/skills that they're genius at. I don't there's an active effort to groom them, most just take the bait themselves

>>19734178
Addressing your first sentence, your second is just you using your fetish as bait, there is actually an interesting divide where AGPs tend to be high IQ autists, hence the programmer meme, but the body dysmorphics are usually below average IQ to the point of borderline retardation.

>>19734178
Some people with mental issues tend to have high IQs, also the autists are like this.

>>19734160
>Only the people that are bulletproof don't get shot
What the fuck is this kind of logic?

>>19734178
I don't know, that anon sounds kind of retarded or at least naive.

>>19733702

all the tranny globalhomo is population culling and getting people to fuck themselves by not being male or female (thereby also giving up their rights as only men and women are recognized in law)

>>19733680
>the transgender undercurrent that's been sweeping the west these past few years is financed by the rich to remove excess undesirable males from society because war cannot fufill this function anymore
you only post this because you like how saying it feeds into your self-image. anyone who thinks about it for 1 minute can tell it's nonsensical. this is not a defense of trannies, it's an attack on you and your dumb theory.

It's just white people evolving to adapt to their environment

Alright, anyway, normal people get caught up in the psychiatric nonsense all the time, it's just a matter of how much they're lied to and otherwise coerced. Don't go blaming this shit on them. Fuck. They've been giving kids speed for decades now because of bullshit "ADHD" diagnoses.

>inb4 I have ADHD and I literally can't focus
Yeah, who told you that one, your doc or your naggy cunt of a teacher? How much are you paying them again?

>>19733911
>cherrypick old and disliked for the left panel
>cherrypick young passers for the right panel
Don't even give a shit about any of this but that infographic is completely dishonest.

>>19734125
Autistic just means white.

>>19733680
>by the rich

>>19734305
>climbed back to the top of the caste system by wearing a skirt
Based, the white man marches on

>>19733680
The point of transgender ideology is, I believe, a massive brainwashing effort — social engineering just for the sake of social engineering, with the addition of profits for Big Pharma, psychiatry, and the healthcare system.

Even transgender activists admit the excesses of the movement aren’t entirely natural, seem to be pushed by a corporate elite with no concern for people’s mental well-being and the well-being of society at large, and is pushed to naive kids before they are fully qualified to make as life-changing a decision as getting on hormone replacement therapy and getting the transition surgery, with sophisticated social conditioning being used to make them feel as if they REALLY want this and are mature enough to know they want it and that anyone who objects is “transphobic, bigoted, not a true part of your friendship group or family, and needs to be cut off”. Abigail Shrier’s “Irreversible Damage” is a good, less technical and dull work about this, too, than Howard’s.

One of my favorite modern essays, itself written by a transgender woman, the hypothesis being that the excesses of the transgender movement seems to be part of some larger, sinister social engineering agenda with verifiable parallels with research into how people are brainwashed/conditioned/become cult-members, and, while seeming innocuous to most, is genuinely similar to conditioning that went on and goes on in communist and fascist states ... if they can alter people’s perception of reality when it comes to basic human facts like gender and sex, then they can make you believe and do anything else you can imagine. Power for the sake of power, social conditioning for the sake of social conditioning, targeting dissenters to the ideology just for the sake of targeting dissenters to the ideology, just as in the CCP, the USSR, North Korea, Mussolini’s Italy, and Nazi Germany, except now it’s a “kinder” version of it draped in the mask of social justice.

https://transanityca.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/synanon-the-brainwashing-game-and-modern-transgender-activism-the-orwellian-implications-of-transgender-politics-by-jenn-smith/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/CPTvxnkQmN8r/

Where's the actual research? As in studies?

>>19734160
>>19734125
People on the spectrum can definitely be functional.
t. on the spectrum

>>19734666
source on you needing actual research?

>>19734666
Back, Satan!!!

>>19734680
You're posting here so, no.

>>19734625
(Cont.)
If people can’t say offensive but true things, such as that biological men shouldn’t be allowed to participate in women’s sports because they are, in fact, biological men, this is already the start of totalitarianism, as per Orwell’s 1984, where war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and 2+2=5 if the leaders say it is.

Also, if you wanted to imagine an elite wanting to soften up and homogenize the human race under a new form of socialism or something similar to that (like what Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum calls stakeholder capitalism), you can also conceptualize the radical LGBTQ+ and radical feminist ideology (plus critical race theory, “smash Whiteness”) as a front for it, which includes the emasculation of men, starting from a young age with the targeting of boys (and Whites overall) and them being told they are the cause of all evil in the world, gender is a social construct, being traditionally masculine is something bad and socially inculcated, gender itself as a social construct and adding all these new ideas like gender fluidity and so forth. Ideas that don’t seem linked at all and seem to the average person to be organic, grassroots, actually turn out to be connected when you look at the causes pushed by powerful groups like the Rockefeller Foundation, Soros’ Open Society Foundations, the Rothschilds, the United Nations, etc. The radical LGBTQ+ ideology, the feminist causes they pour money into, all this is also mixed with their pushing of multiculturalism and immigration reform and the idea that privileged Western Whites are the cause of all evil in the world. “Destroy Whiteness and smash the patriarchy” is thus something like the front over a burgeoning totalitarianism in the West, similar to what Yuri Bezmenov, KGB whistleblower, warned of.

>>19734703
What's this self-deprecating crab bucket shit? It's 2008 anymore, retard.

>>19734703
>>>/b/

>>19734703
>noooo 4chan is muh secret whining club for demoralized self-destructive crabs in a bucket faggots like me you can't be a functioning person nooooooo or else you're a normalfag!
>>>/r9k/

>>19733755
>what we call "womanhood" is a socially constructed category

You're a fucking lunatic. No, no it is not. All the 1960s pie in the sky theorizing about men and women being interchangable and based on how they are brought up was debunked a long long time ago. There are hormonal, mental, and biological differences that are dna deep. This has been proven. There are parts of who we are that are hard wired into us. So no, womanhood is NOT a social construct. It's a genuine physiological condition. That you don't see this marks you as a fucking insane person that needs to be euthanized. Go out back and take care of it yourself please

>pushing trans to make money off of the pills, surgeries etc.
>pushing trans for some long-term, abstract goal
hmm, I wonder which one is more likely

>>19733911
>sources: YouTube
Lad I hate trannies but come on

>>19733911
Who's the blond one in the far right?

>>19733680

Transgenderism is pure commodity, a commodification so thorough that the man, not the male but the human, is retroactively erased. The burlesque prefigures Twitter: a purely mercantile medium in which perception itself is commodified, man appears as woman by pure advertisement, by effectively putting himself for sale, others' refusal to buy it is so painful not because it is an affront to what he truly is, but because it withholds the return on his total investment, or transvestment, into what he is not, a commodity. Indeed, perhaps this is why transgender individuals are so hysteric about "Capitalism", they themselves are the embodiment of its purest form, the totality of man totally commodified, the fire of Moloch melted the idol thereof and the molten metal seeps into the charred bones of its victims.

>>19734914
English, 4 eyes

>>19734891
My future wife

>>19734914
Please tell me what the image is. It looks like fractals? What is this?

>>19734914
Reminds me of this song. Regards, from /mu/. Oh, and seizure warning, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es9-P1SOeHU

>>19734922
Really nigger?

>>19734935

I don't know. I saved it from a random thread on /x/.

>>19734914
Yea, basically this. I don’t know why everyone has to think of insane conspiracies to explain stuff that happens today such as the LGBT. The simplest explanation is the truth. They’re all just consequences of liberal capitalism eroding and commodifying society, that’s it.

>>19734935
google 'burning ship fractal'

>>19733760
>all the big socialist causes are done
>trans rights is socialist rather than libertarian
Man you're dumber than shit

>>19733777
>Stopped reading there.
Started reading there.

>>19734935
Use google image search

>>19733702
They don’t grow up all their life thinking they are a woman, they slowly subconsciously adopt female social tactics and behaviour because they are too socially retarded, weak and anxious to be like men who have to face relationships and social confrontation head on. Then they may occasionally wish people would treat them like a female and that would be the end of it until they, being socially disenfranchised, end up on places like reddit and discord which have this twisted culture of self identification and promote identifying yourself as mentally ill and being transgender. Then because these sites are their only social group they get totally indoctrinated. This is why 90% of trannies are autists, socially retarded and easily manipulatable. This is my theory, anyway. Then of course like the book in OP there is media and a medical and psychiatric industry promoting transgenderism as well

>>19733680
Let me guess. The jews are behind it all?
Got any more wisdom, god of thinking?

>>19733680
So supposedly 19% of transwomen are HIV positive. Seems a tad high, no?

>>19735012
>burning ship fractal
Thank you anon. This is AMAZING.

>>19735132
It's probably even higher, wear a condom every time and take Truvada if you're planning to fuck transgirls
t. Expert tranny chaser

Flipped through my copy that I picked up just cos I wanted to get it in case they stopped selling it and the title sounded interesting but it just looks like a list of people and organisations with "(they are jews by the way)" after it. Is there literally any point in reading this shit or is that it?

>>19735317
The book is, by the author's own description in the book, a who's who of who is pushing transgenderism upon the youth of today. It's less about the "why" in some global sense (the author's summation is that it's related to transhumanism) and more literally just showing you who is doing it and why that person PERSONALLY is doing it. There's a lot of ideological overlap. Some of the people doing it are literally just doing it because "oy vey fuck Whitey", some drank the Butler koolaid, others are transhumanists. And now, we're going to show where they get their funding from, and what they're using that money to do (for example, pay tik-tok influencers).

I'm going to real quick explain that last bit: If you have a bunch of money to spend on an ideological cause, you don't use it to create fake stuff. Rather, you just find some idiot who believes some random garbage such that they say stuff that you want them to say, and then you give them money so that they can spend all day making tik-toks. You then have your buddies (because you are part of the Tribe that owns the media) just not show criticism of your influencer, and cover up anything dumb that they say. This way, retards can say HOW CAN YOU PROOOOOOOOOOVE A CONSPIRACY YOU ARE LE CRAZY when you point out what's going on, because you aren't actually telling them what to do, you're just a rich dude giving some whackjob money.

Replace "tik-tok influencer" with "literally anything else" and you basically have every White Nationalist expose on [insert thing that Jews are doing here].

>>19734891
>>19733973
>>19733942
>>19733958

>all trannies need to hang (except the ones that make my dick hard lol)

which one is it?

>>19733721
Nice try Schlomo, it's widely known chopping your balls off results in the creation of a Eunuch which is a useless, impotent version of a man.
The only proper way to go about it is like Uncle Ted, realize the industrial complex railroaded you into trannyhood, disregard it and attempt to start a revolution instead.

>>19735691
If he's hot, I'll treat him as a woman
simple as

I work customer service and what no one seems to ever mention here is that ftm trannies are probably three times as common as mtf. One trend i've noticed recently is you see a lot more kids straight out of highschool working trade jobs, but some of these dudes are just tiny and fem looking to the point where even me as some 5'7 twink thinks "wtf?" You're average person will just think somethings in the water but that's not the case at all when the average highschooler and middleschooler also mogs these "guys" let alone the other younger men, it's like comparing two different races.

Just think it was worth mentioning and have some funny stories with these types.

>>19735782
Tell em

>>19733755
Detrans here

Because trans women aren't women. Womanhood isn't a set of stereotypical mannerisms.

Should you stop calling butches women? We are sad autists and the whole "well if you can't produce exact, watertight taxonomies on the spot, intersex people and sterile women prove I'm really a woman!!" is just dime store pilpul

>>19734914
well said. twinkhons will inherit the earth

>>19733760
There isn't a completely cohesive "elite," and there's a lot of "elite" who still aren't actually pulling the strings.

Basically large social phenomena can be engineered by the elite, and large swathes of the same elite can still get caught up in it. But that being said, transgenderism can be both a weapon against the goy and something they're personally ok with, but I'm sure it varies, they're the baphomet worshipping pedo cults

>>19735825
The other day there was this black ftm tranny who was about 5'4, on lunch break from some trade job. Thought they were a kid at first but eventually came up to the counter and noticed the tattoos. The little guy had this forced hard ass persona throughout, and then got visibly pissed after I instinctively asked them for ID when asking for newports. Meanwhile waiting in line were a bunch of catholic high school girls with their average height of 5'8". Just sort of a funny sight

>>19733680
Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on the trannies, come on we practically grew up together on this horrible website, i mean that could have been you if you, fell for the wrong psyops or had really gotten into anime, if dad had been around less or the gym teacher diddled you a bid more, after all its an autistic person just like you, they just wanna be your friend! the lgbt crowd are pretty tolerant of neurodiversity, it is even said they will fuck anything that moves, some of them are self aware and more well read than the straights, its not like you have any chances with stacy, wouldnt it be nice if someone could touch you and make you feel loved? maybe your obsessive and neurotic hatred is just a defense mechanism against the powerful erotic allure of the forbidden. dont you wonder what it would be like to stick your dick into one of those things?

>>19735959
>had really gotten into anime
I have watched anime most of my life and have never had to the urge to be a fucking woman of all things

>>19735959
>fell for the wrong psyops or had really gotten into anime

This guy gets it

>>19733702
Why do you think that in order for someone to be healthy their body must yield to their mind to the point of genital mutilation? Obviously the mind is unhealthy, as their reproductive organs are fully functional and they have a fully functional anatomy such that their biological sex isn't some sort of 'deformity', defined as such for not matching the apparently "true gender" experienced within. Why would you argue that what's best for a transgender person is to decide their body is pathological and not their mind? This kind of claim could only come from either a narcissistic person or someone under the manipulative influence of a narcissist.

>>19733680
I don’t care at all about this shit. Some guy wants to chop his dick off — hilarious but who gives a fuck. It’s like people who commit suicide. Strangers who crash and burn... culling themselves... rarely worth a thought.

>>19735959

>>19733721
they don't care they will never be targeted by them and they make a shit load of money off surgery , meds , clothing and make up its a win win for them

>>19735989
Because since they can't change their minds they must change their bodies

>>19735990
I would feel the same if it wasn't for the fact that they push the gub to allow parents to put their kids on HRT which can permanently fuck a child up just because the kid decided he liked dolls or other girly shit. Vice versa for little girls who are tomboys. And to add on that, the fact that their movement harbors pedophiles be it wittingly or not.

>>19735069
This is dead on.

>>19736008
>Because since they can't change their minds they must change their bodies
I would accept this if evidence were provided to support it. Personally I doubt that the current social climate would allow any study of gender dysphoria treatment methods besides surgery. The main problem is that adapting the body to the mind (assuming that mutilation actually achieves this, which I seriously doubt) does not adapt the individual to the world, and transgender activists attempt to circumvent this issue by demanding complete acceptance of "transgender ideology", though it is disguised as common morality. It is expressed in claims such as "biological sex is subjective while my interpretation of my gender identity is objective", and "feelings of disgust or of having been deceived are homophobic", for which they invent the world "transphobic" to create the lie that such feelings are motivated by malevolence.

>>19736010
The strong do what they can; the weak suffer what they must.

Transfolx are real and valid. Enough with this vile transphobia, do you understand me /lit/?

>>19733680
Nah it was makeup and plastic surgery advertising consultants in Brazil who discovered that their ads did indeed increase consumption of makeaup and plastic surgery, but that it also got males to consume it as well. They decided that was fine and got their ads spread worldwide. That's why traps started off so hard in Brazil before trannyism spread everywhere.

>>19735959
>>19735979
This, but also they need to get off the HRT and accept their existence as a eunuch so they don't act like a hysterical woman that's constantly on her period or are outright hostile.

I am transexual and I am based that is all

>>19736669
please be in Dublin

>>19733760
How is transgenderism a socialist cause?

>>19733750
This literally the only explanation for trans faggotry

>>19733680

Retarded psed shit.

>>19736716
Because it's ugly and it produces cripples. It's pure bioleninist. If your political project relies on an alliance of subhumans why would you not want to create more subhumans.

>>19733682
Looks more like NDG0Y

>>19736008
You do realize.. that you will be found in your home, and dragged from it to be hung on a tree like an ornament, right?

>>19733702
Blah blah blah go dilate tranny

>>19733702
You are going to be found, and hung.

>>19736774
Just letting u kno, I live in a state that's nuclear armed (& no it's not US-kuckistan).

>>19733702
What is the left if not a mindless, bleating herd of consumer cattle ready to follow marching orders from psychiatrists, pharmaceuticals, the mass media, and the democratic party? I mean look at your average marxist tranny, a thing which cannot be considered as fully human, but as a subhuman vessel for corporate social engineering agendas, whose aim is to lower the biological level of human life, as to further government control and corporate profits and to lead up tothe normalization of pedophilia.this is bioleninism and these are biological enemies, the struggle against marxism is life's struggle against death. against those who would hold disease as preferable to health.

>>19736975
Incoherent gibberish

>>19735959
You started off so nice and by the end I want to shove your head in a wall. I'll take what was sane of this but fuck you.
t. almost transgendered

>>19737056
Do you feel you were psyoped?

>>19735959
Man what the fuck

>>19733702
Man isn't a ghost in a machine, your inherent characteristics are there to stay. Troons are just next logical step to the movement of playing pretend that man is a ghost in a machine and so it is wrong to see these inherent characteristics. Recurring religious theme, by the way, gnosticism comes out of drawer again and again.

>>19737064
Oh yes absolutely. I was dressing in girl clothes, I made a new name for myself, the works. All in private thank fuck, and highly isolated, which allowed me to not be lulled into community drivel and become more brainwashed. In fact it let me feel ashamed and I fixed myself by getting rid of the clothes, the wig, etc. Use less internet, stop seeing anime girls. Anime girls does a number on boys for some reason. It did for me I know that.
I do believe there is something malicious going on. I don't think it's conscious though. I honestly just think most trannies get off to converting other people. It makes them feel better. It's also the only way they can 'reproduce'.

>>19736056
There have been extensive studies on conversion therapy in the past and the results are exactly why it’s handled medically the way it is now. After any form of conversion therapy about two-thirds will develop PTSD and statistically zero will be “cured”. It is not fixable psychologically because it is a neurological problem, like autism.

>>19734125
Autists are superior, and you've got to accept that.

>>19734208
what is a vertical thinker?
>>19734215
what fetish? can you substantiate your claims wrt the divergence between "AGP" and "body dysmorphics"?

>>19737159
This.the LGBT identity is fully based on science and evidence, not even heterosexuality is backed by as much Hard data. instead of relying on sexual repression and christian religious superstition you should catch up to the 21s century and embrace an identity based on objective scientific and psychiatric criteria.

>>19737219
Homophobia is more heritable than male homosexuality.

>>19737230
Homophobia and transphobia are a natural reaction to gross degeneracy pedophilia and social engineering agendas being imposed top down by powerful corporate interests

>>19737219
Science is fake and gay, and most conclusions drawn from evidence and either far out or the studies themselves are flawed.
Big Science is real.

>>19737259
>im a kid again watching the news about someone who 'came out as gay'
>ask my mother what gay means
>"Well, it just means that a guy likes other guys, instead of girls. It's perfectly natural"
>EWW THAT IS GROSS
>"Honey you can't say that"
Sorry gayfags, but my experience tells me something. It's that this anon is correct in saying that disgust is the natural reaction!

>>19737266
kids get socially imprinted to like the things that their parents like. If he had gay parents gay couples would seem normal to him.
Cope and seethe

>>19737136
It's a cycle it seems and highly catching. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say it starts with depression being treated by reliance on anime, porn, etc. This dulls the depression but makes the sufferer a servant of their porn/fetish addiction, which often involves them interacting with the porn on sites like 4chan: uploading, spreading it around. Hence, as if it were a mind virus, the fetish has used the depressed host to reproduce online. Also in the process said suffer takes on the mechanistic unthinking but technically adaptive qualities of AI, hence becoming a sort of Turing Machine or transhumanist bot avant la lettre.

>>19733702
>the internal perception of Self as woman.
This literally means nothing. How can a person "perceive" internally? Perception refers to outer sense.
I don't introspect and find an "internal" man inside of me. I'm a man and feel like a man because that's clearly what sort of body I am. I can't imagine what it would possibly mean to identify some "internal" man. How could there be a second order, immaterial man within me?

For trannies, it's all about the body. That's why they want to change the body. That's why it's the target of the elective medical interventions they undergo. It's not because they have an "internal" woman that needs to be validated by conforming their body to it. They're just mentally ill and retarded.

>>19737271
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.baka.com.au/national/couple-offered-son-to-paedophiles-20130630-2p5eg.html

This is cultural marxism. This is the future they want for our children. If you support gay rights or trans rights this is what you are supporting

>>19737280
and its beautiful

>>19737279
Read up the unconscious, then, and more to the point, mirror neurons.

>>19733755
>it is clear that what we call "womanhood" is a socially constructed category and separate from sex.
No it's not. Womanhood is a socially constructed phenomenon in that it's how, at a social level, we give meaning, purpose, and form to biological and psychological facts about women. And womanhood is only applicable if these facts obtain.
It emerges from sex as a way of being that *should* give us healthy, pro-social ways of thinking and behaving with reference to sex and sexual differences.
Gender is the social expression of sex.

>>19737321
womanhood is not socially constructed, its inherent in female.
Animals dont have society and yet have "women"

>>19737321
Women is she who can reproduce by giving birth and thus sustain the species, all other definitions are derivations of this; mutatis mutandis for man. In the future, it may become possible to make this statement, retroactively, a lie or a technicality, but not yet.

>>19737331
We don't know whether transgender simians exist, because any hypothetical transmale simian would get raped and end up giving birth, just like any other (non-transmale) female-sexed simian.

>>19734178
Because they are a danger to a certain society..
Autistic males are what evolves societies. When all societies are against you, you realize they need to go. They cant reproduce.

>>19737404
The high IQ-type Jewish male tends to be quite autistic, so this is sorta ironic.

>>19737090
Can you expand on the part you think Gnosticism plays, please, anon? I've never noticed any connection...

>>19737136
>. . . stop seeing anime girls. Anime girls does a number on boys for some reason.
I've never watched anime - that is so fascinating. Can you articulate what it is about them that has such an impact?

>>19733680
The tranny is the ideal consumer. For the rest of his life he is locked in to expensive medical treatments and drugs.

>>19737219
>the LGBT identity is fully based on science and evidence, not even heterosexuality is backed by as much Hard data.
>catch up to the 21s century and embrace an identity based on objective scientific and psychiatric criteria
Insanity.

>>19737285
Repent

>>19734783
>THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN
>I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!!!!!!!!

>>19733750
very nice post anon. You are very correct

>>19733869
>MENTAL DISORDERS ARE ALL AS HUMANKIND
shocker

>>19733750
Yes this is a good observation. The question is can this be, indeed is it being, literally weaponized. Again if so, then shouldn't people be winning Pulitzer prizes based on their reporting of such unprecedented phenomena? Shouldn't scientists and clinical psychiatrists be sounding the alarm about such real forms of genuine mind control?

>>19737668
the entities that determine what is respectable and what deserves awards are interested in keeping this covert.
Im not talking about the jews either, media and corporations benefit from this movement appearing organic

>>19737414
Both the pagans and the Christians proper believed in certain intrinsic connection between body and soul(I believe there's a proper term for it but I don't remember it), gnostics meanwhile believed that these are completely separate. Now transsexuals come from a more materialistic angle but it's the same as far as practice goes - there's a mind and the body, body is just vessel of the mind. This obviously plays into older sentiments, basically any movement in the last 300 years that had some egalitarian strain to it had this position. If you boil it down to the very basics, they believe that the inherent, in born traits are or should be meaningless.

>>19737203
Based autism supremacist

>>19736763
The working class are subhumans? Got it

>>19733680
Extraordinary claims like...
>financed by the rich
>to remove excess undesirable males from society because war cannot fufill this function anymore
...demand extraordinary evidence.

It's simpler to just observe that there is an alignment of interests among private healthcare, big tech, and media business models to promote this stuff.
>sell HRT, surgeries, and ongoing consultation
(like these anons say >>19736735 >>19737470
there is profit to be made)
>elicit more information from users and sell advertising (health and pharma are big advertising spenders)
>be a culture war profiteer and attract massive clicks on stupid articles and videos
And trans people lap it up because the effort to discover them and validate their inner feelings is obviously going to get some of them to come out and self-identify. There are also organic factors at work, like the fact that trans people can discover each other on the internet in ways and in numbers that would have been impossible in the past. Even a fraction of 0.5% of the total population is going to command millions or even billions of dollars a year if you can motivate enough people to spend. Then there are people who are not trans who want to dip their toe into gender issues for other reasons (fetishistic, moralistic, style/fashion, trying to ward off gay death, social contagion). As a consequence, the disruption of traditional gender turns out to be an opportunity for profit based on the sheer chaos of breaking norms and creating new conversations, roles, and subcultures where none existed before.

Whenever I bring this up and try to explain my thinking, people tend to get huffy and offended and say shit like:
>umm, corporations didn't invent trans people
Or they are just instinctively reluctant to deviate from safe, consensus thinking. But the point is that most people mistake this issue to be about VALUES, so they are completely blind to the money/power INTERESTS that are in play. If you bother to stop and think through the question "who benefits from things being this way?" you can at least try to understand why this is happening (even if you are not completely correct) instead of just mindlessly approving or opposing it.

>Transgenderism is no longer seen as a mental disorder by the WHO

WHO THE FUCK DID THIS?

>>19737744
>>financed by the rich
>Demand evidence
The reason that book was pulled off Amazon, officially anyway was that it contains list of potential targets for harassment or something like that. The author went deep dive into world of political foundations and their connection to various tranny organisations and to surprise of noone, the people behind funding it, when listed, read like list of Holocaust victims.

>>19737744
>trying to ward off gay death
What's that?

people putting transgenderism at the forefront of some global conspiracy just kind of shows why bigotry has thrived for hundreds of years. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the whole anti movement was driven by men/women who accidentally/previously got off to a tranny and have reappropriate that experienced into the overarching theme that their life is one big spiritual battle. I was a goth kid in highschool, pretty much willing to dress in whatever I could find in stores (girl or guy), and it's really no mystery to me that the girls who never got to be with me, ended up developing an architecture of bigotry to cope with rejection.

My overall suspicion is that humans in general feel limited by their biology and what could be considered possible, and they become irritated by people trying to exceed limits the former party imposed on themself. Rather than accept that the other persons mind works differently, or succeeded where they failed, they created this utterly schizo "reality is a test" market for religions. These religions being the main tool of the upper-class to subdue the lower.

This is really the fundamental reason for transphobia; seeing others succeed where others failed in their effort for self-evaluation.

The only conspiracy was how long transgenderism was surpressed, and fetishised by conservative groups as a means of creating an othered culture, which provides release in a class of people covered in chastity. I'm sure theres corporate efforts looking to profit off the phenomenon, but the main conspiracy that people should be concerned about is how governmental powers purposefully "taboo" things to create a lower class who can't afford not to break those taboos, and provide entertainment to the upper class.

>>19738221
YWNBAW

>>19738280
That's honestly fine by me, I have my own internal perception of myself that I'm content with, and I'm not on a mission to convince people otherwise, especially when those people are intent on hating one minority group or another.

Also. If I started balding, I would just treat it as an experience to challenge my vanity, and maybe grow as a person.

>>19738314
>30
>grow as a person
A bit late.

>>19738321
That's a weird take to try and get me when you're on a board specifically for the consumption of media to substantiate yourself as a person. I could go one easier and just say that people are never done growing.

A good friend of mine (not of the rainbow flag obsessed kind) is transgender and waiting at the moment for the chop-chop surgery and I am honestly struggling if I need to tell them that I think that it is a mistake. I've been supportive so far, changing your dress, changing your name, voice, etc. taking estrogen to grow tits, but the fact of removing a functioning body part like some other anons have said just appears so absurd to me

just venting for a bit I guess

>>19738411
the least you can do is be honest with your friend, unless he's suicidal and might take it the wrong way

>>19738453
>unless he's suicidal and might take it the wrong way
That is exactly one of the things that worries me. Thanks for the advice tho

>>19733869
you do realize that the Romans accused every other political figure of being a depraved faggot and that history was written by the victor every time there was a new emperor, right? I'm not saying this didn't happen but you can't exactly take the Romans at their word, character assassination was the political meta. It's the equivalent of sexual misconduct allegations being thrown about today but infinitely more unreliable

>>19733680
>to remove excess undesirable males
>>19733684
>It's primarily the sterilization of autistic males

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreversible_Damage

Wrong, faggots. The main group that suffers the consequences are females. Tomboys are sterilized for not behaving girly enough.

>>19737159
>There have been extensive studies on conversion therapy in the past and the results are exactly why it’s handled medically the way it is now.
Please cite them if you can. I also don't think it is self-evident that if there have been failed attempts at conversion therapy in the past then an operation is therefore the solution. The post op suicide rate of transgenders is serious and I don't think its merely because they're marginalized or treated with contempt. It will be easier to tell with time as efforts to spread trans acceptance meet their ends.
>it is a neurological problem, like autism.
I'm a psychology student and if you have sources for that I'd be very interested.

>>19738578
Eh, ftms are still capable of giving birth if she kept her uterus.
I would say that autistics regardless of sex are a main audience for transgenderism.

>>19737064
If someone's been that close and changed their minds, that's exactly the type of conclusion they're going to be coming to. Someone sticks around a leftist hellhole long enough, and there's such a drive for them to do such a thing, and then they leave said leftist hellhole just as they're starting to tap out, and then change their minds after having left? What other conclusion would such a person come to?

>>19738221
Few things are really just “that simple,” this mindset of wanting to “put down those crazy conspiracy theorists” is itself a manifestation of the ideal mindset that the elite wants, a symptom of the unquestioning mindset that’s ideal for the Brave New World cultural Marxist dystopia. If you look at the Rockefellers/Rockefeller Foundation and causes they’re tied to and/or pour money into, for instance, they make population control a priority of theirs, John D. Rockefeller III having started the Population Council, which pushes contraception, family planning, and other means of the limitation of population growth in 3rd world Latin American and African countries. What other causes are and have the Rockefellers and Rockefeller Foundation been involved in funding? Abortion, as through Planned Parenthood. First wave feminism, and then continuing this with modern feminist movements. And LGBTQ+ causes! They also interact and coordinate with and/or are parallel with other huge NGOs like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Soros’ Open Society Foundation, the United Nations and UN-auxiliary groups like the UN Population Fund in funding these causes.

What’s been happening in the West over the past century or so? Fertility of Western Whites has been decreasing, marriages decreasing and pushed off till later and later ages, divorces increasing, less and less children being had, and so forth! What to YOU sounds schizophrenic, to me and others sounds clear as day, because we can think holistically — the social justice cult is simply a more benevolent, soft, subtle means of population control in Western first world countries! The pushing of contraception, abortion, the normalization of LGBTQ+ rights, and feminist ideology which gets women into the workforce and subconsciously discourages them from/makes it harder for them to settle down early and marry and have children (since this is now frowned upon as a manifestation of “the old-fashioned bigoted patriarchal mindset which sees women as ideally being stay-at-home moms and discouraged from taking initiative and having careers) all seems like social engineering to tackle the pressing issue of overpopulation and turn everyone into better consumers! Thus, while thinking you’re “just a normal person and not like those crazy alt-right virgin conspiracy theorists with smelly armpits who browse infamous online image-boards instead of partying on weekends like us normal people”, you’re in fact simply being a good goy doing and thinking exactly what the Elders of Zion want you to do.

>>19738790
So you associate transgenderism with the theories of Karl Marx?

>>19733680
>n0g0y
bullshit, that wasn't your caption. I don't believe you.

>>19739123
There's a decent enough association there, yeah.

>>19739123
Bioleninism, Antonio Gramsci’s long march through the institutions, the idea of cultural Marxism (which according to Wikipedia is now a “debunked far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory”, even if it refers to something in plain sight), the philosophical and academic lens of intersectionality, viewing White men as the new bourgeoisie and oppressors and all other groups as the proletariat, the leveling of all racial, cultural, and sexual differences, the creation of a totalitarian monoculture that targets dissenters as per the USSR, Antifa paramilitary violence on the streets that includes the violent attacking of dissenters to transgender ideology (antifa counter-protests protesters who object to a transgender “woman” showing “her” penis to a girl in a spa), as well as a significant amount of transgender people themselves in the ranks of Antifa (actually a violent radical leftist group, occasionally proudly displaying images of Stalin and Lenin, as in pic related).

https://www.dailywire.com/news/reputed-antifa-members-assault-protesters-outside-spa-where-transgender-exposed-penis-in-women-only-section

Marx himself didn’t care for transgenderism and all this modern social justice stuff, but the modern vanguard of the social justice movement does indeed have ties to Marxism.

>>19734547
Heh. You're alright.

>>19738321
you always grow as a person. literal pseudo mature sub 25 mindset.
>>19738314
based tranny.

>>19738453
>>19738481
What? How? Getting your balls chopped off is a self-destructive behavior. It is a form of suicide.

>>19733684
>autistic
I have never met a Trans person who seemed even slightly autistic.

Autistic personality traits are diametrically opposed to everything about Trans and transitioning. Autistic people are generally sensitive to changes and prefer people and things remain as they are, or as they were when first encountered. Autistic people are generally sensitive to qualities of authenticity and refuse and reject substitution from what is expected. Autistic people generally are generally susceptible to deferring to absolute standards of what something is or isn't with very inflexible attitudes about bending or changing basic understandings.

If anyone is Autistic it's people who can't accommodate or tolerate Trans people. I am one of those who have a very negative reaction to them internally. I have been called Autistic since childhood.

>>19733733
Some states are already forcibly sterilising children who come to them for "help" without parental knowledge or consent.

>>19735910
My son's friend has two moms, one is more stereotypically feminine, the other is a butch dyke with a gym teacher haircut. Both are equally and obviously women to me, just like a dude in a dress straining his vocal cords to sound girly is obviously a man to me. Simple as.

>>19739878
What about people who do speedruns? They're plenty autistic, and are also trannies.

>>19737331
Oh for Peet's sake.
"Socially constructed" doesn't mean that you're pulling the ontological rug out from under some phenomena.
It's a term which describes the metaphysics of social phenomena.
It doesn't mean that it's "fake news", bad, opressive, or irrelevant to real life.
Monetary value is a social construct. Does that mean "it isn't real"? No.
Gender is the social dimension of biolgical sex. "Womanhood" is the social dimension of being a woman.
>>19737347
>all other definitions are derivations of this
Yes. This is what I am saying as well. I am glad we agree.
The fenamental fact about women is that they have wombs. "Womanhood" is a way of being that cultures develope to make sense of this on a pratical level and intelectual/spiritual level.
Can you get over your 4chan enduced alergy to the term "social construction" please?
It's a phrase which describes the ontology of social phenomena. The activists who have appropriated it as a weapon against things they don't like it understand it as poorly as the posters on this board do.

>>19736777
you mean "hanged," he'll not likely be hung after the hormones kick in

>>19739878
The key word is
>met
Autismos are not very keen to leave the house.
t. autismo

>>19733736
/thread
>>19733755
transwomen are men. that's the "trans" part. also I know you're trolling

The fuck do you mean, "two kids in a trenchcoat?" Did you SERIOUSLY just misnumber that guy?

>>19738280
>>19738314
If you have no male hormones you can't go bald.

>>19739824
Yeah but right now it is still through sheer self-determination. It's a sort of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation

>>19737004
might want to get checked buddy this was sub 100 iq post

Why does it seem like everyone's mostly concerned with the MtFs? I've never seen anyone say "YWNBAM". FtMs seem to get pity at worst, while MtFs are demonized and have all the vitriol directed at them, which is weird because it should be the opposite, shouldn't you support your fellow men? Or if not, the FtMs should at least be demonized just as much, why should women get a free pass to be a tranny and not have hate directed at them?

>>19741479
Good question

>>19733777
Trips of truth

>>19733680
>Wait a minute, the transgender undercurrent that's been sweeping the west these past few years is financed by the rich to remove excess undesirable males from society because war cannot fufill this function anymore??
Prove it without resorting to anti-semetism or schizo dribble.
>Did I cut my dick off for nothing?
No because you're not trans
>I thought I was protesting against the system.
Embracing inceldom is protesting the system in a way so ... yes?

>>19739878
The correlation of autism and transgenderism is a proven fact, it isn't subject to your anecdotes
>Autistic personality traits are diametrically opposed to everything about Trans and transitioning.
Trying to systematize and mimic human social phenomena is actually incredibly autistic

>>19741479
People shit on MtFs and not FtMs for the same reason they shit on men and not women

>>19741937
On most sites, yeah, that's what I would conclude. But on 4chan(nel)? Isn't this place for shitting on women?

>>19741946
this site is in a near-constant schizophrenic seethe about incels and trying to tear down its average male poster. The only reason trannies get it worse is because of documented grooming attempts and raids plus the fact that normalfags are pushing trannyshit into every sphere of life, therefore triggering the contrarian instinct too

>>19733680
read through some sections of this book...holy shit, this guy is based, he even calls out those ((international hyenas))

>>19740506
I mean it's always been your move, but if it were me I think I'd like someone to say "hey you don't have to do this if you don't want to," regardless of how difficult it would be to hear at the time. It's damned if you do and damned if you don't, but it's also a "speak now or forever hold your peace" type of thing as well. As in, you can get breasts surgically removed but you can't bolt on two new nuts, you know what I mean? Anyway.

>>19741974
>trying to tear down its average male poster
>raids
Somehow I overlooked these points, especially that it's MtFs that raided this place so of course they'd get the brunt of it. Now it makes more sense; thanks, Anon.

>>19741980
[Brazilians]

>>19739878
you must remember autism is a spectrum which includes completely contradictory behaviors

>>19739878
I have

>>19741479
Because FtM is basically non-existent. They're an incredibly small minority within a minority. Even then, as the book details, the entire point of forcing this stuff on people is to create a Janissary class that pays out the nose to achieve status. FtMs don't do that because, ironically, you can actually turn a chick into something resembling a dude really easy. Biochemically, men are a lot simpler than women. The point of the entire Tranny thing is that it doesn't work. It's not supposed to. It's supposed to create people who are desperately trying to enforce a political ideology in order to maintain their basic biology and higher-status. MtFs don't do that.

>>19735069
this.

>>19742442
Quite right, the whole point is to use the discourse of human rights to enforce a new post liberal authoritarian order of oligarchic hegemony.

>>19742442
You're a few years out of date and things have changed quickly. FtM outnumber MtF by a lot now. FtM is a different thing because it's a pure social media meme with no underlying reality, spread among a group who have a much weaker connection to "reality" outside social consensus. Groups of teenage girls are getting really into "activism" and just deciding as a group that they're all trans. Check out Abigail Schrier's book on the subject for more info.

>>19742552
This seems very convincing. What these ftm show the world, their parents, is but the mere surface of the iceberg of self-brainwashing they're engaged in online in ad hoc forums, the equivalent of speak easies for young transmen.

>>19733702

>>19742552
Yeah this shit is pandemic tier at this point, for some reason every attention-seeking "queer" retard woman is cutting her tits off and regretting it a year later, or developing roid rage psychosis (no joke).

The female gender is dividing into two distinct species: tit-loppers and ultrabasic bitches. No in between.

>>19737466
I think it’s a combination of retarded individuals and the over sexualization and objectification of female anime characters.

>>19738411
Staying silent while yoir friend goes to the chopping block is despicable.

>>19733707
>Why are estrogen pills and genital mutilation needed if sex is just a social construct?
because the acceptance that appearance is not a sufficient primary indicator of gender is slow, you can't undo a long running tradition with ~10 years of collective mental gymnastics. there will always be an idea of trad masc and trad fem, that will affect everyone even if they do not like it. this is the basis of gender dysphoria.

>>19733764
the scientific standard was made up as a tool you fuckwit. the reality mirroring of sex determinism is literally just "there are roughly two groups of humans that can be separated by rough chromosome groupings, these chromosomes then shape other organs etc etc endocrinology etc" there is nothing scientific about the made up definition of woman, go actually read some philosophy of science.
>>19733777
>believing that having a woman's body means nothing
>that you can be 100% equal to a man
>female and male are the same thing
you have made these beliefs up. no tranny believes that men and women are the same, otherwise they wouldn't even be different words.
trannies believe that men and women are different, this is compatible with the belief that transwomen are women.
>>19733793
define men and define women. sexual determinism is a tool at best, not some measure of objective reality. the objective truth of sex determinism is literally just "there are (roughly to account for chromosomal defects) two groupings with distinct physiology". just as groupings of animals or historic periods aren't some 'scientific reality', they're literally just semantic tools.
>>19734783
see above. also the idea of womanhood as a collective of behaviors is still compatible with bioessentialism. have you never heard of phrases like "acting womanly" or "being ladylike"? they refer to mannerisms, not endocrinology.
>>19737744
>It's simpler to just observe that there is an alignment of interests among private healthcare, big tech, and media business models to promote this stuff.
this. also explains why companies do pride month shit. they kowtow to progressives for monetary reasons not because of some grand conspiracy, people already make fun of this with the laughably awful pride month designs that companies will sell.

>>19733702
THIS. Thank you anon

>>19735069
armchair psychology.

>>19733702
I see you dropped your usual tripcode in order to avoid all the filters.
Fuck you.

>>19736777
*hanged

>>19733755
>implying gender non-conforming women aren't women
Based.

>>19738790
I was a /pol/tard who was repressed, accepted who I was and left that space because of all the harsh prejudice. It wasn't even necessarily just anti-trans posting, everyone was advocating for my death. If most anti-social troons join these delusional far-left communities, it's because right-wingers drove them to it. Though I hate leftoids and nazis (and I didn't even really hate them before but anyone who wants me dead is on my shitlist)

>>19736763
You're retarded and you suffer from /pol/ mindrot.

>>19743346
It actually sounds like projection, and as someone who went through this mentality in his teens I concur

>>19733840
There was not a transgender Roman emperor.

>>19743428
They mean Heliogabalus, who crossed dressed

>>19733680
"To use an attribute to show that attributes are not attributes is not as good as using a nonattribute to show that attributes are not attributes. To use a horse to show that a horse is not a horse is not as good as using a non-horse to show that a horse is not a horse, Heaven and earth are one attribute; the ten thousand things are one horse."

>>19743336
>"there are roughly two groups of humans that can be separated by rough chromosome groupings, these chromosomes then shape other organs etc etc endocrinology etc"
I don't think you're trying very hard. There are exactly two types of gametes, not only in humans and in all/most of the animal kingdom. The division has a purpose, a teleological cause: the egg and sperm each exist to combine with the other, allowing for sexual reproduction. In humans, and many other species, there are differences between sperm-carriers and egg-carriers which, again, have each been selected for and therefore serve a purpose. Women have breasts so they can feed babies, men are big and strong so they can serve a different role. There are differences in skin, bone structure, brain structure, everything. Not every man or woman has every trait associated with their sex, but the amount of individuals for whom *any ambiguity at all* exists about how to objectively, categorize their biological sex is absolutely miniscule. It's basically people with chromosomal disorders and XY individuals with complete insensitivity to androgens. None of these individuals create any problem for the categorization because we understand that they are simply deformed. Humans have two legs, but can be deformed and only have one. Humans have two genders, but can be deformed and lie somewhere in the middle. The underlying reality of human sex difference has only one reasonable categorization.

There are also social roles assigned to the biological sexes which are much more "socially constructed", and here you can at least sanely make a case.

One reason why this matters is that "Science" as an institution has no ability to defy activism, and will let people like you force them to lie. I tend to think it would be nice if Science was trustworthy, but that's because despite my right-wing views I still believe in global warming and vaccines and such. I wish that you didn't force otherwise trustworthy people to become craven partisan liars who deserve contempt.

The more important reason is that you've hitched yourself to the broader civil rights, social justice, "march of history", while proposing a change that is flatly insane and intolerable and which no one, not even you, thinks is more conducive to overall human welfare than its reverse. If "abolishing the gender binary" reaches the point you want it to you're either gonna need a totalitarian state to enforce it or you're gonna get the repeal of the civil rights act.

>>19743503
Right, there are two empirically basic human models without which humans would simply not exist: the fertile male and the fertile female. Any deviation from this, any deviation from this not related to immaturity or geriatricness, is a defect that works against the reproduction of the human species.

>>19743525
>Any deviation from this, any deviation from this not related to immaturity or geriatricness, is a defect that works against the reproduction of the human species.
Which is still fine. Having CAIS or whatever is fine. This isn't a Nazi thing where we're calling people "defects", we're just not letting their existence obfuscate a reality that helps almost all human beings to understand themselves.

>>19743544
Correct

>>19743503
how does that change the fact that sex determinism is merely a tool, and not some measure of objective reality? the underlying problem lies with the connection between XX/XY (and similar chromosomes) and their gender counterparts. by deferring to teleology, you admit that this tool is subject to change when change is needed.
the reason this gender conundrum is happening in the first place is this connection between sex and gender when sex is mostly only socially relevant when discussing medical matters that aren't sex agnostic. instead there exists this casual connection that has outlived its casual use.
>let people like you force them to lie
what lie? you admitted that its teleology, and i would go so far as to say that it is pure teleology. there is no truth to it, simply useful categorization. you can make a case for more and less useful categorization but there are little truth values to assign.
also gender and sex are distinct concepts, you admitted so with
>There are also social roles assigned to the biological sexes which are much more "socially constructed"
these "social roles" are what people refer to as gender.
>you're either gonna need a totalitarian state to enforce it or you're gonna get the repeal of the civil rights act
do you believe that gay marriage was enforced through a totalitarian state? if so, theres little 'further enforcing' to do. it'll happen eventually and you'll have to sit with your misinterpretations.

>>19733680
By rich JEWS to reduce the excess undesirable WHITE males, yes.

They have no problem importing infinity niggers to fill the gap.

Great book btw.

Reminder.

>>19743563
How and when did this teleology come about? Because even Amazon tribes seem to follow it pre-Columbian contact?

>>19743583
i am not denying the original teleological cause of reproduction, i am questioning using this division for causes other than reproduction. what does the core of transgenderism have to do with reproduction?

>>19743588
Have you considered that the division for reproductive purposes is actually the cause of the other divisions? (social roles, division of labour, general differences among the genders, etc.)

>>19743563
>how does that change the fact that sex determinism is merely a tool, and not some measure of objective reality?
This is true in the same sense that it's true of everything. Even physics doesn't have direct access to reality, and even the standard model of particle physics is a "tool".

But we still like to assign truth values to statements about our higher level categories, and I tend to think statements like "dogs have four legs" are true. "Humans have two biological sexes" is true in the same sense as that. Obviously some biological categorizations are genuinely messy and ambiguous, as "species" sometimes is, and as activists like to point out "race" is, but biological sex is not one of those. Because of the miniscule overlap and the clear understanding of *why* these categories exist, male and female is the only reasonable categorization possible.

>do you believe that gay marriage was enforced through a totalitarian state? if so, theres little 'further enforcing' to do. it'll happen eventually and you'll have to sit with your misinterpretations.
It seems to me that if "moral progress" was real, activists could achieve their progress once and then everyone could calm down and enjoy the new normal. Instead, with each step we've seen a need for more active maintenance of earlier progress by full time activism. Less a march than a bungee cord which gets stretched further and further, but is anchored on the other end to natural law. I'm just saying that nothing we've seen so far comes anywhere close to the level of progress you're proposing. It's gonna take a lot of maintenance.

>>19743600
Exactly

>>19743563
>also gender and sex are distinct concepts, you admitted so with
It would maybe be more accurate to say that we can choose to think of gender and sex as distinct concepts. You've committed yourself to an extreme level of postmodernism by denying the sex binary, so you can't easily claim objectivity in this. The gender/sex distinction is actually pretty hairy these days, lots of older feminist stances on gender are apparently inconsistent with what trans people want and the primacy of self-identification seems to make the whole thing impossible. A woman is any person who agrees with proposition "I am a woman", as far as I can tell. But saying that's all it means would also be offensive to someone, so who knows?

>>19743641
"To use a horse to show that a horse is not a horse is not as good as using a non-horse to show that a horse is not a horse, Heaven and earth are one attribute; the ten thousand things are one horse."

>>19743600
how so? at best i could reason some casual connections that have grown to become their own ideas largely separated from reproductive division.
>>19743602
again, not questioning the robustness of sex determinism as i do find it very robust. especially when compared to other examples of scientific stratification. however, i question its use beyond medical and reproductive reasons. you'd be hard-pressed to find many progressive people who want to do away with sex determinism completely, just those that question its use in unrelated matters such as gender determination. even those that call sex determinism a social construct are merely being coy with semantic sleight-of-hand that rarely mentions the rightful use cases of sex determinism.
>It's gonna take a lot of maintenance.
no one says otherwise, but i guarantee you that was also said of gay marriage. niche discussion always predates (possible) widespread acceptance
>>19743641
where have i denied the sex binary? you mistake identifying sex determinism as merely a made up (yet useful in certain cases) tool with somehow denying that the idea outright.
sex determinism is a tool, just as divvying up historical periods (there are no objective natural historical periods that exist outside of human observation, only history. you could make an argument that different categorizations are more helpful than others but it doesn't change the fact that they are completely human invented.) is a tool. i'm not denying any use cases for these tools, i am saying that these are simply tools and that sex determinism as a tool is being misused in unrelated matters.
>A woman is any person who agrees with proposition "I am a woman", as far as I can tell. But saying that's all it means would also be offensive to someone, so who knows?
you are referring to the idea of womanhood and the stance of postmodern rejection of modernist womanhood versus the modernist womanhood. i would hedge my bets that most trans people would agree that there is more to being a woman than simply saying "i am a woman" (most trans women will attempt to look feminine, even if they aren't very effective) but they would deny that there are strict qualifications to "being a woman" beyond internal genderism. most trans people will also admit to there being a culture of womanhood (trend of dresses, mannerisms, etc) that are unique to locales.

>>19743681
Why is "a" female gender ending in Spanish, and "o" masculine? Because these two vowels reflect the typical female/male vocal tonal differences.

>>19743694
i've already covered physiological differences between the sexual categories, keep up beloved shitposter.

>>19733680

The "people" who promote it are themselves indulging in it. If not themselves then by their association. You think they care if close friends or their own kids become trannies? They don't, or if they do they encourage it

>>19743710
Indifferentiation produces indifference. And for the same reason too much difference dispels the deepest "magic" of difference itself, which is nothing without its taboos. A society without taboo is a society without magic, without art, without genius, which is and has always been spurred on by taboo. Sterility is literally the product of de-tabooization in many of the cases being discussed here. By decentering the unconscious you flatten society, while leaving the eternally decadent oligarchy untouched.

>>19743733
doesn't 'de-tabooization' create its own taboo against marking the original thing as taboo in the first place? how is sterility produced in this manner?

>>19743384
You will never be a woman.

>>19733760
>Personally, I see the trans stuff as being mostly organic
Fucking HOW?

>>19733782
Right because reddit is totally organic and isn't influenced by the state department at all...

>>19743276
>thinking genital mutilation will make people see you as a woman
lmao you either don't fit the gender norm by having dysphoria or don't fit it because you are a freak and no normal person would want to associate with you

>>19733869
>HE WAS A TRANS WOMAN BECAUSE HE WAS A WHORE AND A FAG
wtf i accept trannies now

>>19736773
ND = No Dick

>>19743390
go be ugly and deformed elsewhere

While of course transgender women existed pre 21st century there is no doubt that the willingness for many to become as women really does spell the end for the male species.

I'm sure in 50 years time men will be looked at the same way someone looks at the homoerectus. A rather bestial thing bound for extinction.

The autistic tranny often so hated on chanboards of course makes up a high percentage of its userbase.

There is no doubt that the trans women who's obsession with coding and introverted nature is a perfect fit for this new society. Practically tailor made for it.

We are all going to be swallowed by the pink goo and no amount of lifting or pretending that you read othrodox Christian texts will change that.

>>19733680
It's basically an overwhelming fetish that takes control of the person. Like with pedophiles where it takes control of their reasoning centers and might cause them to kidnap a child because they've never experienced such overwhelming desire before. Similarly for some trans, they experience an overwhelming sexual desire to transition, something that totally hijacks their thought processes and causes them to in effect kidnap their own bodies. So it's the unconscious libidinal energy combined with concepts floating in the "air" which give presentable form to their overwhelming urges.

>>19733755
I disagree with all these things being definining traits for women. They are merely auxilliary, descriptive. The defining traits are entirely biological, there is no difference between sex and gender (there isn't in most languages either).

>>19733869
Normal male role model:
>Marcus Aurelius, stoic emperor, or Aurelian, Restitutor Orbis
Trannoid role model:
>Prolapsed teenage whore known to history exclusively because he was a prolapsed teenage whore

Idk how you can see someone get one of those flesh tubes or an inversed cock and think yeah theyre mentally stable

>>19733680
You are discounting the xenoestriginurgic properties of all the plastic, fuel additives, metabolized hormonal birth control, fertilizers, and persticides which leech into our environment from a myriad of non-centralized industries and sources.

>>19734471
>Completely dishonest.

Lol absolutely not. If you do a bit of research you'll realize a trend that the trans on the right all have boyfriends and are only attracted to men while the ones on the left have no partners and are primarily attracted to women.

>>19744157
lol look at this Valerie Solanas-lookin' motherfucker over here!

>While of course transgender women existed pre 21st century
They were literally invented by Magnus Hirschfeld in the late 1920s. Prior to that they were cross-dressers and fetishists: which they still are.

>There is no doubt that the trans women who's obsession with coding and introverted nature is a perfect fit for this new society. Practically tailor made for it.
Did you know that the first two people to receive sex-reassignment surgery were a painter and a communist journalist? Literary a deviantartist and an antifa.

>We are all going to be swallowed by the pink goo and no amount of lifting or pretending that you read othrodox Christian texts will change that.
Naw. This system is economically unsustainable and has way too much racial conflict to survive any serious bump in the road.

>>19734305
Treating intersectionality as a spectrum is fundamentally missing the point that it is essentially qualitative multivariate analysis for people who can't do maths. To cancel and transition within this metric the two groups must be multiplied by a matrix. The derivation of that matrix is where the answer lies. I think that the Wachowskis are a metaphor.

>>19733702
>If a male grows up all their life feeling inside that they are a woman, he is a braindamaged faggot.
FTFY.

>>19743967
your definition of woman is "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!" tier of not understanding the difference between an invented tool and an invented theory based on discovery.

>>19743384
If your life is more important than your ideals it's not worth anything anyway.

I'm happy to fight for a world I'm not good enough to live in.

>>19745405

>>19744891
>pollutants pathologically feminize men

Guess enbies are heckin' cute and valid, then.

>>19743384
That sounds pretty ass-backwards to me. That honestly sounds like someone saying "the harsh realities of modern life are what drove me to settling in Jonestown." Hard to disprove, but there's far more of a gravitational pull for someone to drink the kool-aid than there is a push for someone to do as such. But you'll have to forgive me if I say you sound a bit like a commie so who knows.

>>19745431
sex is an invented system designed to categorize people into two groupings with the following physiology being affected by gametes.
man and woman are made up groupings just as the concept of mammal was made up. they are useful tools when used right.
the underlying concepts of sex (physiology affected by gametes) are a good mirror of reality, but calling XX biological female and XY biological male is constructed. so is the subsequent connection between biological sex and social attributes (gender). now if you want to not be a retard, you can make a decent argument about social roles being derived from reproductive desire, as well as some physiological connections. will you actually make an argument or will keep spouting memes without understanding the core subject?

>>19745169
Why is it so difficult to come to terms with the fact that a small percentage of men are just better of living like women?

Person in pic is probably living a far more fulfilling life than they would otherwise.

>>19745480
It's a question of epistemological principles. I don't object to said person crossdressing, undergoing feminizing surgery, etc, as long as they don't try to reconfigure society around their fantasy. It's difficult enough having to deal with the mindset, psychology, and sincerity of an actual woman; with transgender pseudo-woman the psychological (self)-deception clearly is out of this world, reaching utterly galactic levels as regards what is actually in that head: a performance of a performance of a performance...

>>19743384
>I was a /pol/tard who was repressed,
im really one of you guys believe me

>>19745405
I'm not even talking about science, retard. I'm talking about the fact trannies are delusional to think reassigning will make other people see them as real women instead of transvestite freaks.

>>19745462
>sex is an invented system
lmao imagine believing this. I guess animals must know our arbitrary definition too because they can tell males from females

>>19746622
>some animals can make assumptions based on appearance and can work out a basic dichotomy and behave dependently
>this conforms to the theory that there is commonly a dichotomy of appearance
>this somehow confirms that sex is completely discovered and that even socially defined men must have XY chromosomes
?

>>19746892
you're so deep in the weeds there that you've lost sight of one of the most basic facets of existence.

>>19733721
to be honest, ever since 2012 they become a bunch of morons unfit to rule, there´s a reason society nowadays is so fragmented, they´re just coping at this point

>>19734178
>Nick Land say something like "they're the jews of gender"

>>19734178
I think I saw 126 for mtf, of course along with high levels of autistic traits. It's a very distinct psychological "type" which clearly has nothing to do with femaleness, which is enough on its own to disprove the concept honestly.

>>19746892
you aint seeing the forest for the trees