/lit/ - Literature

>>19706076
you didn't get it

>>19706082
For pretty much two years I did, till I realized it's stupid.

Also read Man and Technics

>>19706090
Thats a major work.
So, already have.

>>19706076
>Today, the West is blooming stronger than ever before.
He says as Australia arrests unvaccinated people for exercising outside with France's president openly saying he wants to annoy his citizens, with Austria forcing vaccinations on people, with Britain using bogus statistics to... yadda yadda yadda. Let's not even start with whatever the fuck has happened to the US.

If anything, the past year has shown that liberal democracy was just a huge sham that no one, the public nor the elites, ever seemed to believe in. The elites don't follow the laws they set while the public say they're not going far enough.

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING TO THE WEST AHHHHH I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANE SAVE ME SPENGLERMAN

>>19706110
based. I feel the same thing

>>19706076
>the West is blooming stronger than ever before.
????
Wealth doesn't equal strong civilization

>>19706087
what is stupid about is work? Where is Spengler wrong? Do you really think that we are blooming in art and music right now?
And yes technology wise we are progressing, but that is not blooming, that is Faustian longing towards infinity in a new medium. That is what happens in a civilization phase of a high-culture

>>19706124
>Do you really think that we are blooming in art and music right now?
yes. Spengler's claim that western art peaked and finalized with Wagner is so simplistic it is difficult to anything else he says seriously.
The entire expressionism period which he lived through should have shown him that he has a wrong angle toward art. And it is in this essence that, through the "aesthetic regime" as Ranciere calls this period, we are actually still continually seeing profound progress, and western civilization is offering everything to allow this to develop On its own.
All the consumerist media exists to allow the world to keep turning where actual artists can create.
>And yes technology wise we are progressing, but that is not blooming, that is Faustian longing towards infinity in a new medium.
I found this cringe in Spengler since the get go.
Rome didnt wait till the civilization period to build Roads, aqueducts, etc.
And it is precisely western Technology that makes us different from any other "culture" and why the west wont wither away after some "civil war" or some horde invades.

Spengler claims that industry leaving for the brown masses, and them taking western technology usurps the west (already by 1900 mind you).
No! it is the west that usurps them through this technology since it completely undermines every aspect of their life and culture for an ideal forged by western spirit. Speak to any traditional chinese and he will admit that his country is no lonegr chinese, but cities american and the peoples mentalities western. Just cause they dont speak spanish or english day to day doesnt change this. no romance language is Faustian yet they were used to spread faustian spirit through colonialism. same difference.
The west is richer than it has ever been the last decade and will unconsciously continue to strive toward its own goals and desires (the whole bullshit domestic renewable energy over imported energy from brown countries exemplifies this).

To that other anons point >>19706110
A thing that exemplifies the resilience and strength of western states is that even in these times of absurd authoritarian measures the thought of these governments being replaced by anything actually different is an impossibility.
Nothing can shake the foundation of the west since ww2 and especially since post USSR not even "grave threats to our democracy" like boogeymen Donald Trump who really did not change a thing.

I really suggest abandoning Spengler the second you have read him and instead going for a hegelian outlook, but with a more contemporary and practical framework of Deleuze.

Thanks for coming to my thread!

>btw Heideggers fear of Technology exemplifies all I have said.

>>19706210
>we are actually still continually seeing profound progress
like what?

>>19706245
I'm not gonna make it that easy for you.

>>19706076
Western Civilization is blooming, but in not in its birthplace, but in Asia. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is the dialectical synthesis of the East and the West, and as such is the historical progression of Western Civilization. The new man, Xi's 'social entrepreneur', is the culmination of the Faustian spirit.

>>19706076
Agreed, but what comes after the so called faustian civilization, according to Spengler? Does he says something about this, or is it all about "muh decline"?

>>19706210
What would you consider a current "actual artist"?

>>19706076
>Today, the West is blooming stronger than ever before.
anon...

>>19706082
fpbp

Spengler is a great pleb filter

>>19706076
>>19706523
Nonreaders.
The culture finishes its morphology and becomes a living decrepitude, petrified wood. The only remaining historical events are either chaos or the power struggles between the Caesar figures.
In China, for millennia, none of it's wise Confucian scholars ever came up with something truly new. The only thing they ever proffered was that disorder came from straying away from Confucianism, and it never occurred under the most foolish or incompetent emperor that there was something wrong with the system itself. This is the eternal winter, but also the phase where most cultures have met their death.
And, per Spengler's analysis, there are many things in the West's cultural morphology we've yet to see.
And the nonwhite masses have already followed Spengler's prediction. Didn't you notice that the whole world was powerless to stop western imperialism in the 1800s through 1900s?

>>19706110
Anti vax faggots showed us why democracies don't work. People just too dumb for that. I like how these countries at least fight against degenerates.

>>19706533
I think it should be very easy for people to find contemporary art that achieves the same goal and purpose of great art from previous centuries if one is decently educated and intelligently curious enough to look for more than intimidation and instead search for profound creativity.
It should be obvious why I am not naming specific examples while defending this point.

>>19706076
Bad bait

>>19706300
I accept your concession

>>19706906
> to find contemporary art that achieves the same goal and purpose of great art from previous centuries
I'm not that anon but I think that's the point Spengler makes. The goal of art in the Faustian world has already been archived with Wagner and Impressionism, everything after is only extension, no more 'imitation' but 'ornament', today's art can't archive anything new because the destiny of the west has already been fulfilled.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong

>>19706902
The Vaccine is ineffective, dangerous, and nothing but divide and rule for MSM cattle like yourself

>idealist is wrong
wow

>>19706902
>Get two jabs, which still offers substantial protection against hospitalisation
>Sorry chud, get two boosters or else you won't be able to enter private businesses regardless if whether they'd accept you
All the booster does is give a slight reduction in the chance of severe symptoms, something that doesn't matter if you're younger than 60, and makes you a bit less infectious, which doesn't matter given how ridiculously infectious Omicron is.

Meanwhile obese people are more infectious and more likely to be hospitalised. Where are the restrictions on them? Every argument for restricting people without boosters applies to obese people yet that's somehow unethical?

>>19707042
if you are gonna apotheosize Wagner and keep him on this untouchable pedestal then of course we are done and can wrap things up.
What retard actually thinks that though? It is only someone who thinks that who can claim that the world after Wagner is insipid and a poor imitation.

Spengler whitnessed Futurism, Expressionism, and all le quirky french painting styles and chose to ignore them.
Maybe if he had lived one more year and seen his fellow Munich resident Carl Orff's work he would have found something, first off in his taste and of some novelty in an exhausted medium. But I doubt it. He was so set in his "pessimism that is totally realism" that he didn't want.