/lit/ - Literature

Art is leisure, enjoyment, pleasure, excitement, comfort, inspiration, motivation, rarity of perspective, entertainment, therapy, reward, celebration, extasy, spirits raising, loneliness erasing, nobleizing and likely much more,

Unless one only wants to productively labor every waking minute of their life, there is a chance they may enjoy and appreciate and gain from art

I wish I could escape this mode of thinking but Zappfe permeates my vision now.

Art was the last thing that I was clinging to but now I realize it's another feeble scream in the void.

>>19700275
>what you write is not the feeling itself
Refuted by Derrida

Bump

I would love to hear someone critique OP. I can't think of a single argument

>>19700488
See
>>19700361

No participation in this thread

Of course, /lit/ can't produce an argument and recoil at the threat to their coping mechanisms. Sad..

Most of the people who agree with this will keep on living, aided by the very same mechanisms Zapffe described in The Last Messiah. Even Zapffe himself made great use of them. Not only did he keep on living, he "lived life to the fullest", to borrow a phrase from his philosophical opposites. Read a summary of his life if you doubt me. I guess the real lesson here is that no matter how philosophically inclined and pessimistic you are, life is bound to suck you in at some point. You can not escape this world of copes and illusions alive. The only way out is death. I want to say something about reading pessimistic philosophers in general... They have given me a lot, but they leave a bitter taste in my mouth every time I read them. The feeling of kinship I get when I read them, superficial though it may be, is invaluable to me. I don't know where I'd be without many of these authors. I think I would have felt more lonely, and I certainly wouldn't have as many terms to describe my feelings as I do now. At the same time, the knowledge I've gained from reading them has left me feeling imprisoned. I feel like I'm on death row reading prison grafitti scribbled down by earlier inmates. Sure, having someone to relate to is great, and it's comforting to know that other people have felt what I'm feeling... but so what? I'm still on death row.

>>19700361
Zapffe's point went completely over your head

>>19700275
everything is fucking fake you stupid retard

>>19701386
How can we be sure that death is a way out, though?

Even if materialism is true it can entail a kind of recurrence. Personally, I feel like the best thing we can do is live as if we're trapped in existence because for all we know we are.

Well, there goes my last cope.

H-hold me bros...

>>19700275
indeed the mona lisa coverts the pain of living into a valuable experience. i don't know why people with literally no training in aesthetics or art history even bother to appropriate the term and then project their own experiences with it onto tens of thousands of years of its production

>>19702304
I can't tell if this agreeing or critiquing the post.

You're probably refuted by Zapffe regardless.

>>19702318
aphoristic nonsense doesn't really refute anyone or anything because it's not grounded in anything except the weird and exploitable function of language

>>19700275
Instead of going "higher" and subIimating, I think the only route out of coping is to go "under" in a way. Not exactly return to monke, but a sort of purposeful primitivization of the spirit. I don't have it worked out yet but am exploring topics like reenchantment, heidegger's dwelling, contemporary animism, and rituals (especially having to due with the rhythms of nature). There is a space for us there. Zappfe may be right that we have gone "too far" evolutionarily, and I know there is no "going back", but they way I feel when I am walking in the woods...no sublimation is needed, I'm ok with the world and my place in it.

>>19702558
I feel the same when outdoors, anon

Wishing you luck on your exploration

>>19701520
Yes. Now refute it. You can't? Well, thanks for agreeing with me.

I win, and by extension, Zapffe wins again.

>>19700275
>a thing can be explained, therefore it is fake

Nice conclusion, retard. Did you learn it in retard school or are you a natural?

>>19703176
The point is that art is often treated as something transcendent or spiritual. It's not "fake" but it's also not what it appears to be.

I'm going to bed, /lit/.

Interested to see where this thread goes. Goodnight!

>>19700275
>if you're not being literally tortured AT THE SAME TIME as you write a story about suffering (even if you've gone through that suffering before), your story is "dishonest" because uhhh, because suffering like that in real life wouldn't be fun like reading a story about suffering. So your art is worthless!

>>19703176
My word, you got filtered by Zapffe's very simple explanation.
You definitely don't have the capability to sublimate. You're at best an anchoring coper.

>>19700275
I don't think so. The artist still personally lived thru it. They're just taking a perspective to benefit from it.

>>19703245
Not what Zapffe is saying at all. Your reading comprehension is dogshit

>>19700275
Sublimation isn't dishonest.