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19682079 No.19682079 [Reply] [Original]

The Dutch are an irrelevant, unlikable people that have dug a pathetic wet corner off Europe to live on. Unfortunately I am learning their language for business reasons.

What's the best book I can read in Dutch? I'm C1+ so anything goes, fiction included.

>> No.19682090

Rude.
Eastern European by any chance?

>> No.19682110

>>19682090
From the Balkans
Ready to give a suggestion now?

>> No.19682131 [DELETED] 

>>19682079
Reported for racism. This is a Dutch-friendly board.

>> No.19682152

>>19682131
You're evading the question because the Dutch have produced no good books. Their crowning historical accomplishment was killing savages for cooking ingredients half a century ago.

>> No.19682176
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>>19682079
Am Dutch, have not touched a single book by a Dutch author since high school. We have no literary capabilities to speak of. I would recommend reading Dutch translations of worthwhile works, if I read a non English foreign book I almost always read the Dutch translation, I think the language can be quite beautiful, and certainly funny. We just haven't found a way to use it ourselves yet.
Pic is of the only book I enjoyed reading in high school, don't know for certain if I'd still like it but found it funny at the time.
Also Nederland is kankerlauw vriend.

>> No.19682200

Does dutch actually have a written language? I thought it was just a clickity clack language spoken by primitives living in a swamp.

>> No.19682207

>>19682079
Extremely tall and extremely racist is my understanding.

>> No.19682216

>>19682110

Well, unless you're Macedonian or Montenegrin I guess there is little point in recommending A. den Doolaard then, wrote some kino books on the Balkans and lived in Ohrid during the 20th century. Also, I personally was disappointed by it (and also its lack of engagement with Yugoslav historiography) but Guido van Hengels Roedel: een alternatieve geschiedenis van Joegoslavië might be of interest to you. Haven't read it yet, but Macht en Verzet by Bulgarian author Ilja Trojanow is now on sale - ''ramsj'' - in Dutch bookstores for 10 euros in hardover. Don't bother with all the Dutch books on Bosnia or Srebrenica, including Raymond Detrez's (Belgian historian) biased books.

Some personal recent faves:
Koen Peeters - Duizend Heuvels (Belgian)
J. Bernlef - Hersenschimmen
Miquel Bulnes - Bloed in onze aderen, or one of his other books
Recent work by Auke Hulst (like De Mitsukoshi Troostbaby, although I still have to read it) or Rob van Essen (De Goede Zoon, Miniapolis)

A classic which I would still recommend is Max Havelaar's Multatulli but desu I never read many other Dutch classics. Would rather recommend you Kader Abdolah or Kinderen van Breznjev by Sana Valiulina.

If you're into something different: Thea Beckman's Thule trilogy is I guess young adult literature but is about a post-nuclear world in which Greenland is a new lush country attracting the interest of overpopulated, aridifying Europe.

>> No.19682223

>>19682176
>>19682216
Thanks so much guys, ik waardeer het. Gonna start looking things up.

>> No.19682234
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>>19682079

>> No.19682236

>>19682176
I think the reason most Dutch people rarely read after high school is because we have to read 19th century boring books by Couperus or equally less interesting stuff like Reve or Mulisch which turns many people from engaging with Dutch literature any time soon, including myself - such a shame. Personally mainly read foreign stuff too, but our educational system is really ruining things.

>> No.19682242

>>19682200
Kek dutchbros...

>> No.19682247

>>19682223
Geen dank! Like the other anon mentioned, many foreign books are translated very well. If you're into any specific themes/genres I could try to give you some tips

>> No.19682252

>>19682234
>Johan Bazinga
Lol these dutchies

>> No.19682495

>>19682131
>Implying racism is a real thing and not part of a simulation of the third order

>>19682176
The Dutch are simply too practical, it borders on the verge of impracticality.

>> No.19682502

Why don't you loosers just become french or Italian or something? Fucks the point of your stupid little country?

>> No.19683088

>>19682152
Read De Uitvreter, Titaantjes and Dichtertje by Nescio, literarily it's the best thing we did. De Avonden by Gerard Reve is fucking great but I'm not sure anyone not Dutch would "get it". In my opinion it's a masterwork, and if you understand it you have the key to understanding this whole fucking country. Max Havelaar by Multatuli is an interesting read.

We had some good poets, Slauerhoff, Marsman, Rutger Kopland, Hans Faverey. Paul van Ostaijen and Guido Gezelle and Tom Lanoye if Flemish counts.

>> No.19683178

>>19682079

I am going to seerve you with a tikkie for this very ruud post

>> No.19683359

>>19683088
I read The Evenings by Reve or like half of it. Didn't really get it, he just hangs out and is mopey.

>> No.19684451

>>19682079
Fucking kill yourself faggot

>> No.19684498

>>19682079
Kek. This is on Commercial Drive in Vancouver. I used to run writers' meetings in the area, and I'd always laugh when walking by that place.

>> No.19684543

>>19682234
Good (nonfiction) book but everyone knows the Dutch have no literature.

>> No.19684715

>>19682079
girl on the left looks cute. she probably has a nice smile

>> No.19684720

>>19682079
Erasmus (and I don't even know if his books were originally written in Dutch or Latin).

That's really all that I can think of.

>> No.19684722

>>19682079
>Unfortunately I am learning their language for business reasons.
Aren't the Dutch more-or-less all Anglophones at this point?

Also the girl on the right in the OP is an absolute babe, would marry

>> No.19684730

>>19684722
you mean the left, right?

>> No.19684738

>>19684730
No, right. I like her lipstick, nosering, and choker.

>> No.19684801

>>19684738
left has a choker too and a much nicer neck!

>> No.19684818
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pic rel

>> No.19684824

>>19682079
Herman Brusselmans: Ex-drummer. Lots of fun.
It's from a Flemish writer but Flemish is a Dutch dialect & is very very very similar and mutually very comprehensible. Enjoy this short & light read.

>> No.19684937

Tim Krabbe is great. "The Golden Egg" especially but also his other works.

"We are but we aren't Psycho" is a book he wrote after five years of research on Columbine and it's the best redpill on school shootings in literature around. Thankfully it's never been fully translated into English for filthy Angl*s and hopefully never will be

>> No.19684989

>>19682079
>>19682152
>>19682176
>>19682236
The Dutch are strangers to spirituality, religion, purity, decency and tradition. Their men unrepentant sodomites and their women wanton harlots. No children can be found amongst them despite the frequency of their commitment to carnal acts, for they are utmost hedonists who loathe the sacrifices parenthood brings. Going so far as to murder their children before and after birth just to hold onto to their base lifestyles. Thus they have come to rely on aliens to replenish their numbers, which they require to maintain the wealth they tout. The cushion of Western Europe has made their approach to governance the essence of "low difficulty mode" and prevented any real threat, only buffering their shamelessness. Thankfully nobody acknowledges the country as anything more than a tourism destination for rich Westerners and perverts.

>> No.19685056

>>19684989
Based. The area comprising Benelux, France and Scandinavia is my least favorite part of Europe

>> No.19685061

>>19682079
I would have very rough sex with both of their throats until I cum!

>> No.19685098

>>19684989
Kill yourself fucking niggerfaggot

>> No.19685136

>>19684989
Homosexual
>>19685056
Ah yes. The Slavs are the true manifestation of the superiority of the white man. While his Western brothers have fallen into pure decadence he commits acts of violence against his neighbors and downs a 40 oz of vodka a day

>> No.19685150

>>19685061
I want to snap left's choker!

>> No.19685410

>>19682079
>Dutch
Just learn English, German and inflict brain damage upon oneself. No books required

>> No.19685430

>>19685150
In order to reveal his Adam's apple?

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>>19684738
What do you think of 'her' without those things, like when 'she' rolls out of bed in the morning what do you like?

>> No.19685545

>>19682502

>this level of ignorance

You're from the US, aren't you...?

>> No.19685625

>>19685473
thank goodness I chose left! that's not a tranny, right?

>> No.19685639

Willem Frederik Hermans is the best, and in fact the only good, Dutch writer there is.

>> No.19686471

>>19682079
Nescio
Perron
Bordewijk
Revis
Last
Reve
Arends
Kellendonk
Vogelaar

>> No.19686475

>>19685625
My greatest hope that they are both women is fading fast. I fear, rather, they're both men in disguise.

>> No.19686982

>>19685473
I am ok with a transwoman who doesn't get bottom surgery.

>> No.19687062

>>19685545
Whooosh

>> No.19687195

Ik ook sneed
Hitler dood wat nou

>> No.19687197

>>19686475
Well if that's the case I know they wouldn't pass IRL. I've seen women take dozens of the same photo for the perfect shot. These men must've done hundreds plus photoshop.

>> No.19687466

>>19682176
>>19682216
Disregard these

>>19684937
Pulpy trash

>>19682216
>>19685639
>>19686471
These guys are right

Read
Kaas / Lijmen en het Been by Elsschot
Karakter by Bordenwijk
De Donkere Kamer/Nooit meer slapen/het behouden huis by Hermans
Vallende Ouders bij AFTH vd Heijden

>> No.19688938

>>19682079
De brief voor de koning

>> No.19688947

I actually attended a poetry open mic night at that restaurant.

>> No.19688957

>>19682079
>dutch
>posts trannies
checks out

>> No.19688958

>>19688947
Ethiopian poetry, or Harambe based poetry?

>> No.19688966

>>19687062
epic reddit meme brah

>> No.19689136

>>19683088
Based, until you mentioned Lanoye

Everyone who claims that the Dutch language is not apt for literature, especially when you blame the education system, is pathetic. Poor education is not the reason for you lack of taste in literature.

A-tier Dutch fiction authors: Marsman (mainly his poetry), Du Perron, Vandewoestyne, Streuvels, Buysse, Nescio

>> No.19689489

Since op doesnt even like the dutch... Does anyone who speaks danish have any recomendations for danish books? I've been studying for half a year and will be interning in copenhagen this summer. So far I've only read the first two harry potter and a few moomin books that were in danish but would like something that isnt written for children to strengthen my grammer and vocab

>> No.19689837

>>19682079
Wym bro the Dutch be making fire MDMA
That purple molly be something else

>> No.19690064

>>19689837
this
teslas and punishers were the best i've ever taken

>> No.19691656

>>19684989
Unequivocally based

>> No.19693149

>>19682079
The dutch are racially superior

>> No.19693170

>>19684989
Based time traveling ancient historian

>> No.19693173

>>19689837
>>19690064
Get off my /lit/ you stupid niggers

>> No.19693190
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Pic related is the only dutch-language author who is required reading. Kaas (Cheese)is my favorite work of his, great read.

I unironically also recommend the medieval "Van den Vos Reynaerde" which is based.

>> No.19693210

>>19682079

I kind of respect a dude who walks around with a string of anal beads around his neck. Definitely removes all mystery.

>> No.19693298

>>19693190
Villa des Roses was ook aangenaam om te lezen. Die man is grappig op een droge manier.

>> No.19693304

>>19682110
Slav or something else?

>> No.19693307

>>19682079
If you are a Christian man read Herman Bavinck or Wilhelmus à Brakel in Dutch.

à Brakel's The Christian's Reasonable Service is great. very experiential.

Also try reading through Statenvertaling. Its the Dutch equivalent of the KJV in terms of influence.

>> No.19693315

>>19682079
>604
Hongcouver bros...

>> No.19693360

>>19693298

Ja idd. Lijmen/het Been vind ik ook heel tof.

>> No.19693466

>>19693315
Why are BC faggots always making my country look bad?

>> No.19693485

>>19689489
Wrong thread fren

>> No.19693513

>>19684824
Ik snap niet hoe men steeds weer opnieuw Vlaams met Belgisch Nederlands verward. Het Vlaams is meer dan honderd jaar geen geschreven taal.

>> No.19693531

>>19682079
People who dislike dutch lit are either.

1. Very well read, familiar with for example French literature and when comparing dutch literature to it they understand its simply not as good.

2. Selfhating bugmen types who genuinely do not seriously read.

>> No.19693563

>>19693173
Getta load of this guy who dont een boot
Lmao yo plug prolly meth bomb you and u like it

>> No.19693572

>>19685625
>>19686475
there both trans, though I can only remember the handle of right, if you look hard enough you will be able to find lefts handle through the others page
https://twitter.com/LiquidGoth?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

>> No.19693580

Jotie T'Hooft wrote some good stories and poems

>> No.19693594

>>19682079
Just read Suske en Wiske, anon.

>> No.19693821

>>19684989
Lmao retard the Netherlands has its own bible belt with some of the most fanatical and fundamentalist protestants I'm western Europe.

>> No.19693835

>>19693594
Unfathomably based.

>> No.19693845

>>19693821
>the Netherlands has its own bible belt with some of the most fanatical and fundamentalist protestants I'm western Europe
Sounds interesting. Got some more of that,a study maybe?

>> No.19693947

>>19693845
My ex girlfriend was from there (Barneveld). Trust me, they're fucking insane. And she and her family weren't even religious, though they are one of the ancient rich protestant families of the region. Extreme protestantism is a sect, aimed at the destruction of love and beauty. The whole 'impolite/direct Dutchman thing comes from these Calvinists, who will insult you to your face and call it an acts of goodness. Also those bitches love anal.

>> No.19694002

>>19693845
Their great. The church in my village wanted to allow gay marriges to be held in the church so we basically had a schism. Half the people just to another church in the next village who didn't allow it. I was great friends with the daughter of the priest as well. Nice people overall if you know how to talk to them

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>>19693947
>The whole 'impolite/direct Dutchman thing comes from these Calvinists, who will insult you to your face and call it an acts of goodness. Also those bitches love anal.
Hell fucking yeah

>> No.19694146

>>19693845
Book suggestion, read Maarten 't Hart.

>> No.19694292

>>19682176
I'll say one thing about the dutch, you're the only people who can pull off a sweater vest and tie. The brits look like twits doing it, the french like pedos.

>> No.19694679

>>19684989
I really enjoyed reading this post.

>> No.19694692

>>19693845
A Dutch bible belt? The country is absolutely tiny. Surely there can't be any regional difference in culture. You can throw a rock from one end and reach the other, easily.

>> No.19694721

>>19686982
Chad

>> No.19694783

>>19694692
>The country is absolutely tiny. Surely there can't be any regional difference in culture
The low countries have probably the highest concentration of regional diversity in Europe. Even language-wise; two villages which are only 15 minutes apart from eachother by foot can have dialects that sound completely alien to eachother.

>> No.19694800

>>19694783
>Even language-wise; two villages which are only 15 minutes apart from eachother by foot can have dialects that sound completely alien to eachother.

Hmm...so are you gently suggesting rampant inbreeding? It just never ends with these heathens, does it?

>> No.19694813

>>19694800
>close-knit communities develop a certain way of speaking
>they MUST be fucking their sisters
Mental illness

>> No.19694988

>>19693360
Zeg nog een keer dat iets "tof" is en ik stomp je in je kut

>> No.19695009

ethiopian food is so good man

>> No.19695027

>>19682079
Both those trannies got the mother of all face fuggins coming their way, after posting a pic like that. Consensual or not...

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>>19682152
>savages
yes.