/lit/ - Literature

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19685519
Your narcissism is appaling, Scott.

Bakker is among us

>>19685519
Goodkind mogs this queer in every way. Terry is king and Scott is the royal dufus.

>>19685519
Why didn't we protect his smile?

>>19685659
if you unironically enjoy this drivel you shouldn't be in these threads
rather read maas or sanderhack than this unintelligible MTL'd nonsense

>>19685680
Not him and never read it, but what's wrong with a thot being put in her place?

personally I think this was fairly decent, I think it was also nice to have the main characters to be experienced adults

>>19685689
are you ESL?

>>19685704
you call it shit grammar I call it SOVL

>Imagine seething that hard about a wojak
I unironically accept your defeat.

>>19685620
That guy looks like a sex offender.

>>19685732
>>19685715
>>19685659
go back, please

>>19685741
I would, but your mother isn't taking any more customers for the year.

>>19685736
The only thing he's offending is disheveled goblins

Any opinions on the Frontlines series by Marko Kloos?

>>19686034
Extremely derivative. I liked the first two books well enough, but in book 3 the author had an anxiety attack that rightoids liked his book so he suddenly did a 180 and added gay characters and made his main character who was basically a sociopath (He doesn't even give his girlfriend a first name he cares about her so little, and monologues about watching people die and not giving a shit) into suddenly a good guy fighting for the little guy all this time, honest.

this was fucking great, more like it? it's first dick novel i've read, i was expecting much less because of the meme that scifi writers are bad but it surprised me a lot

>>19685519
Based.

>>19685689
Sanderson unironically wrote a better scene of a whore being put in her place. Two, actually. One, when Tam al'Thor confronts Cadsuane. The other, when post-nut clarity Rand confronts Cadsuane.

>>19686244
but sandersoi is pro-women and puts them as main characters

>>19686273
There's nothing wrong with women being main characters. How else will you see them fuck up on colossal scales? How else will you see them contrasted against male MCs? The annals of SF/F are full of women fucking up on a scale unparalleled by men.
>Egwene, Elayne, Elaida
>Daenerys, Cersei
>the worthless nerd MILF from Stormlight and her faggot daughter

Notice, however, that the characters in TWoT were so fucked up that even Sanderson felt the need to rise up and put them in their rightful place. The last three books are to the first eleven what Duplo is to Lego, but some characters get their just comeuppance, and it's wonderful.

is Tolkien non-unbased still? I feel like after the tv series he will become pozzed and unbased.

>>19686290
the tv series has nothing to do with him

>>19686305
It does.

>>19686290
Once non-unbased always non-unbased. just like when they say Bakker is unbased for this and that but his non-unbased aura is eternal. No amount of pozz will unbased his non-umbasedness. He unpozzez the pozzed with his non-unbasedness.

>>19685578
What's the reference?

>>19686315
mindbroken

>>19686318
RAFO

>>19686244
>>19685704
I'm assuming the original is in chinese so the shitty prose is translator's fault.

>>19686318
Ask Moogy

What fantasy series has the most interesting religion(s)?

>>19686329
Bakker Yes, unironically

>>19686319
Ironic coming from an unbased troon, I can feel it from your pozzed aura.

I'm thinking about readig Prince of Nothing. Is it really great or just a meme? Is it as good as BOTNS?

>>19686339
Its SUPREME, its great if you are into non-pozzed/non-sjw literature

>>19686339
It's very different from BOTNS.

>>19686339
I literally do not care if you don't read /sffg/'s canon. Joke's on you regardless.

>>19686339
>How else does Bakker plumb the fiction mines for premium grade Grit? Naturally women are involved, because if there’s one thing Serious Fantasy authors love to do it’s degrade women in their fiction. This is very much a man’s world Bakker has made, where people of all cultures and nations equate weakness with being “womanish” and women are inferior, filthy whores to be possessed and cast aside when one is done with them. Of the women or female-identified mythological beings who appear in the book it took more than 280 or so pages- more than half the novel- to encounter one who wasn’t literally a “whore” (Bakker’s word, not mine), figuratively a whore in the cosmology of the world, or degraded by being referred to or compared to a whore. It’s just wall-to-wall whores, “whoreish manners”, women “acting like whores” or being called whores for annoying the male protagonists. The fact that the sole female viewpoint character in the book is a prostitute really makes me wonder just what Bakker’s obsession with this particular concept is. Oh and needless to say, rape is involved, because rape is the easy go-to solution for an author who wants to make his world gritty and real.
You tell me.

>>19686339

>>19686363
A most womanish review. It's clear that Lauren Dunn is full of whoreish manners.

>>19686339

>>19686381
>"If you're Mr. Bakker, see a psychiatrist."
You know you've made it as a writer when you trigger these sorts of responses from readers. I knew he was a retard when he recommended Ambercrombie, but now I want to read Bakker even more after point 2.

>>19686363
>>19686381
inspiring

>>19686368
No, Laura is unironically been red-pilled. She reluctantly admitted that she enjoyed the book.

>>19685694
I'm getting some serious pic related vibes from that. Am I right?

>>19684492
Fiction with a capital F is even more oversaturated and good fantasy disappears within it. Marketing a book within the fantasy genre is easy mode in comparison. There is, or was, a push for a mainstream low or urban fantasy categorization after Little, Big that never quite materialized and others like Christopher Moore have remained firmly entrenched in Comedy. This is why many authors bite the bullet and go YA. It's not that their work is shit, it's that it's the only market segment that comes with very little baggage over what their novel is or isn't and most of the competition is shit.

>>19686444
sort of, most of the protagonists are very honourable as are most of the cast when first introduced until they have to do what is necessary

What/Who is Moogy?

>>19686347
>>19686360
>>19686363
>>19686381
Well, you nerds really know how to convince me, I'm in.

>>19686538
Good luck.

Bakkerfags are basically just like Potterfags just more edgy

>>19686683
because... they just are ok!

>>19686683
cringe

>>19686724
>>19686725
Read another book gayboys

>Hey that new book The Starless Crown came out today, you should check it out I think you'll like it
>Look it up
>The settings has the exact same gimmick as the novel I've almost finished.
FUCK.

>>19686736
I read the first page and it's some lady squatting and giving birth in the mud. Immediately closed the book and put it back.

>>19686755
Did it have a detailed description of the woman screaming AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS SO PAINFUL ITS SO MUCH MORE PAINFUL THAN BEING KICKED IN THE BALLS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

>>19685519
Why did bakker go for such a generic plotline with not-sauron threatening to destroy the world with his not-orcs? It seems like something more profound would fit his style of writing better.

>>19686760
I hate women, I love balls

>>19686766
in order to write non-pozzed plotline he chose to derive form non-pozzed authors like Tolkien

>>19686766
is Tolkien non-profound enough for you? sauron bad and ring not good, its deeper than a pussy ravaged by an Inchoroi.

>>19686785
What a massive incel Tolkien was.

LMAO

What does /sffg/ think of The Wizard Knight? Just read The Knight and enjoyed it a lot, though it seemed to end rather suddenly. I liked Able as a character, especially because he's not the standard protagonist. I've read Book of the New Sun from Wolfe before and his protagonists (from this limited experience) seem to be in many ways unusual. Violent behavior seems common, not in a bad way, but in the way where Wolfe seems to suggest it's needed occasionally, to keep people in line.

>>19686791
I love how pol has programmed an entire generation to think everyone with caucosoid facial features and glasses is incel.

>>19686882
No, just Anglos.

What an incredible cope, buddy.

>>19686882
How is this /pol/'s doing? I know we lived rent free in your heads, but I had no idea we occupied so much real estate there.

>>19686785
Low testosterone, and I'm not even baiting.

>>19685519
Why is he such a bugman?

>>19686931
I don't know what that means.

>>19686933
>t. Bugman

>>19686953
Not my problem.

>>19686866
It's lesser Wolfe but still Wolfe and therefore better than 90% of the things discussed in this general.

>>19686888
The actual cope is Tolkein had a life long partner who gave him 4 kids and died with a 7 figure net worth in the 70s.

>>19687027
That's impressive considering how bad his books were.

>>19687027
You don't know what "cope" means.

>>19686899
Tolkien unbased confirmed, more like troonkien

Anybody read Wherever Seeds May Fall?
What did you think?

>>19687039
Great argument Politifact.

If you think Tolkien is based.... COPE!

>>19685515
Wheel of the Infinite - Martha Wells (2000)

Wells is primarily known for her science fiction series, The Murderbot Diaries. Her first novel was published in 1993, though she went relatively unnoticed until 2017. Although this has humor somewhat similar to Murderbot, they're otherwise rather different books. This is the first book outside of that series that I've read from her. I plan to read her two primary fantasy series.

Wheel of the Infinite is strongly influenced by Tibetan Buddhism and to a lesser extent, some other religious ideals. The plot revolves a sand mandala rite that ignores the map-territory relation. The protagonist is a 45 year old priestess and the deuteragonist is a roughly 30 year old swordsman. This is a standalone fantasy novel, though it implies a lot of backstory. So much so that that at times I felt like I was reading the first book of a third trilogy in the series, for relatively short novels, or the last third of the final book in a trilogy where each book was roughly 1,200 pages. This wasn't a negative and may not be a typical reaction.

Although this is decidedly a fantasy novel, I felt like it had a science fiction orientation, in that it had a central idea and was mostly interested in exploring the possibilities of that idea. However, that orientation was also suppressed for most of the novel, which focused mostly on character interactions and intrigue. There's a decently sized host of characters and I liked almost all of them. The magic is rather soft, at least the sort that's shown. It's that kind that's willed into being. The worldbuilding is interesting as she creates detailed locations and cultures relatively quickly yet without infodumping. They're based on East and Central Asia.

Overall this is a very comfortable read and I was pleased just by reading regardless of what happened, which overall wasn't much, and some may find it to be too slow paced in relation to what's achieved. It isn't a long novel, so that's all relative. If it weren't for the last 25%, I might've rated this 4.5 rounded down to 4. Usually when I dislike the final act it's because there's some nonsensical plot twist that comes out of nowhere. It's either that or that some major character(s) behave in such a way that entirely violates what the character(s) would otherwise do, for dramatic effect or plot reasons. That wasn't the case for this book. Everything fits together and is warranted. I think the problem is that I didn't understand its meaning in relation to the book as a whole, which may be a personal failing, or it may be that it was just meant to be cool.

Rating: 3.5/5

what is this monstrosity? has anyone seen it? holy shit, I unironically didn't know this existed.

>>19687300
#darkacademiaswag

Wait so let me get this straight. One of /sffg/'s favorite authors is a misogynist who can't write women for shit. The other one injects Catholic themes and allegory into fucking SCIENCE FICTION. What the hell is wrong with you people? Is this just contrarian central?

>>19686866
The Wizard is definetly worse than The Knight i think, but still great and it gives a satisfactory ending to the story and to the MC's character arc

>>19687443
pretty sure R.R. Martin isn't a misogynist anon, he writes okay female characters. And Brandon Sanderson isn't a catholic.
Wtf are you talking about? Brandon is LDS.

the island might have the most unceremonious incest I've seen in a book

>>19687499
Brakken and Gene Wolf, obviously

>>19687510
>Bakker and Wolfe
>/sffg/'s favorite
yeah try again, Sanderson is king! Forever.

>>19687443
Wolfe and Bakker's female characters are legit, and I challenge you to show me how they're different from any competent female author like le Guin or Tanith Lee. Most women under 40 have had so much smoke blown up their ass that they have no idea how foul they actually are, and instantly recoil when shown the slightest glimpse of themselves.

>>19687531
in a yin dominant culture you don't have balance and get blind people like the person you're replying to.

>>19685515
Someone here recommended worm. What the fuck? The superman expy , Legend, is gay. Half way through I just realized that the female MC loves a black dude. Webnovels suck.

>>19687531
>ignored half my post
ok

>>19687670
webnovels, litrpgs and other assorted post-internet garbage only exists so that even sandersoy fans have someone to look down on

>>19687673
So the first half of your post was wrong. Concession accepted.

Are you saying it's bad to have religious allegories in science fiction or just Catholic ones? Keep in mind this is a genre created to discuss the human condition.

>>19687299
>her
not reading lol

>>19685515
Is The Riyria Revelations any good?

>>19686509
The friendless autistic weeb who is behind all the anime OP images, all the "Bakker is gay" posts, and all the Reverend InZanity shilling.

>>19688121
Literally me.

>>19686244
>>19686287
I don't want to read sf and fantasy about women/whores. If I am interested in actual womens stories I will read a romance novel. A heroes journey, or even better the antihero journey like Reverend Insanity is not about women or their feelings, or their progressive politics. This is why it so good.


>>19685680
It is actually good prose, minor editing mistakes like a missing word here or a incorrect autocomplete there is not a big deal. While it is free and definetely not a professional translation, in a way it is authetic and it is true to original story.

>>19688598
>It is actually good prose

>>19688598
kill yourself moogy, you're a laughingstock, and reverend chinksanity is lower tier than even sandershit

>>19688603
Haha, it is beautiful prose anon

>>19688664
Kys, you tranny loving faggot

>>19688672
post a passage from your little insanity book to enlighten us as to the beauty of its prose
we'll wait

When did /sffg/'s obsession with Bakker start? I remember around 2015 it was Wolfe or bust, so it must be even more newfangled than that.

Been on a deep sea movie kick. Any sci-fi/horror about deep sea bases and shit that are worth a read?

>>19686953
fuck off

>>19688768
Rifters trilogy

>>19688690
>>19688672
still waiting for that beautiful chink prose, faggot
he won't post it because it's shit and he knows we'll mock him and his entire gay argument will collapse

>>19688754
when his marketing limb really started hitting the board hard.

>>19688792
Bakker is almost completely unknown outside of this general. He has no marketing. He has no forum. He has no publisher. He has no contact with any of his fans. He's obscure as fuck. The few of us that post about him here do so because this is pretty much the only place on the internet to talk about his brilliant, flawed, but fascinating work.

What are some great sci-fi books that don't try to explore the implications of technology or use their science fiction setting to try to explore questions of the human condition?

>>19688813
this >>19686108

>>19688813
Dune? The technology in the series is fairly limited so everything focuses on humans and humanity

>>19688813
>don't try

>>19688754
Started in earnest around 2019 I think, I remember reading Wolfeposts and then one day it was all Bakker all the way down. At first I thought it was real and I even noted down Darkness That Comes Before as something I should maybe read, but then I noticed it was just autistic spam so I've been more or less ignoring it instead.

>>19688995
The origin can be traced to the first posting of pic related circa November 2019.
>the wojak that launched a thousand bakkerposts

>>19688995
>>19689006
I would say it's just Bakker samefagging and sometimes some of us join him in the spam

>>19689099
He literally only posted here a handful of times and his posts are highly distinctive. I highly doubt he reads this thread regularly.

>>19689108
ok, Scott.

>>19685620
I think Goodkind is crap but you're absolutely right

>>19688791
the classic chink debacle

Bronze hair and Eyes of Cunning
All melts beneath his majesty
The way he writes is stunning
Make sandersois seethe in agony

>>19688773
Thanks, anon

Watching it now. I like the dream stuff. Otherwise it's disney movie which I wasn't expecting.
How are the books.

>>19685515
I'm currently reading A Game of Thrones as a way to improve my english vocabulary, and due to my love for good worldbuilding. The prospect of the series never getting finished, however, greatly demotivates me.
Do you guys have better recommendations?

>>19689416
Bakker.

>>19689416
Idk if its better but John Gwynne's books are pretty good, I enjoyed the faithful and the fallen series a lot, great world, great characters, the plot is great as well, I just burned through the 4 books line nothing.

About 200 pages into Shadow of the Torturer. First novel I've picked up in 6 years. Probably launched myself into the sff deep end cause most of this shit is likely going over my head but I like everything going on so far.

Any book like this?

>>19689528
Where the loli gets molested by spirits?

about to visit my family for a week, they practically have no technology or internet over there
thinking about loading up my kobo with a bunch of books to tide me over

Any recommendations on what series to read?

>>19689605
Lyonesse

>>19689605
Tolkien is especially comfy in rural environments. In fact I’d say that unless you’ve spent some amount of time living in the countryside you’re not going to get the full impact of his stuff.

>>19689576
the buddhist-shinto setting and Japanese folk-lore creatures I guess.

>>19689682
Does it have to be Scottish countryside?

>>19689727
Nah. There is almost zero difference between Scotland and the majority of the English countryside. Barring certain places. I'm sure America has similar enough places too, given how fucking huge it is. I've always wanted to visit those gigantic forests they have.

>>19685515
Earth Abides - George R. Stewart (1949)

The protagonist returns from the wilderness to discover that everyone almost everyone has died of measles. The first third is a journey from California to New York where he assesses the state of the country. The remainder is a family saga that attempts to be a realistic depiction of what would occur in the decades that follow. So, although this is science fiction, it's more accurately social science fiction. The physical sciences aren't a particular concern, which is evident from its errors.

The book states that it's a biological law that when a species becomes overpopulated a massive die-off naturally occurs to re-establish equilibrium. I don't know if this was the first, but it was one of the earliest in the wave of Neo-Malthusian SF stories that would be written over the next few decades. In the year prior to its publication the two books that set off its revival were published. Such beliefs unfortunately persist. My high school biology teacher would often gleefully exclaim how humanity was doomed because the human was not exempt from biological laws and any year now nature would assert itself and wipe us all out. This book doesn't believe in a privileged position for humanity either.

There were several times where I wasn't able to discern whether I was correctly understanding what the author meant or was projecting my own thoughts onto it. Mostly this occurred from the narrative asides, which as best I could tell was Stewart interjecting his personal thoughts on what the circumstances and fate would be for various matters. One that seems to be mentioned a lot by other readers is about sheep. Most seem to have taken it at face value, but as with several of the other asides, I took them instead be metaphors about the human condition in line with the book's overall themes. In the case of the sheep it was about man's dependence on modern conveniences and technology more generally.

I assume the protagonist was intended to be unlikable so that he could be an example of the folly and irrationality that the average contemporary intellectual would endorse. From what I can tell this doesn't often go over well with a general audience. He's arrogant, hypocritical, deluded, contemptuous, and self-important. This seems correct to me because everything else in the story goes against what he believes. Although it's simply written, I think much of it wasn't intended to be taken at face value. It's mostly difficult to tell because it occupies a space that isn't literary but also isn't committed to being an entertaining work of fiction.

As per a nomination and vote due to a whim, this is what I read. Otherwise, I doubt I would've finished it. Overall I found it to be dull, dated, and surpassed by later books that covered similar ideas. I didn't dislike it but there also wasn't anything about it for me to like. It may be of historical value, but that doesn't mean it needs to be read.

Rating: 3/5

I was also going to do Necroville/Terminal - Ian McDonald since it was the only one nominated that was the sort of choice that I intended but didn't properly specify, but McDonald is a lost cause for me. I just can't read him. I've tried several times before and tried again, but I just can't do it. Unfortunately, this isn't sufficient motivation for me to do so anyway, alas.

>>19689841
Interesting, well I'm glad you read it on our behalves

>>19689969
I'm not the only one who has read it in the group or wrote about it. As noted above, the noms were a bit of a wash for me, but that's entirely my fault and it worked out fine anyway.
5 stars: 0
4 stars: 5
3 stars: 5
2 stars: 1
1 star: 0

have any of you read picrel?

>>19690171
>>19687997
This is a bad way to go about doing this.

>>19687997
these covers look gay

>>19690171
yes. Book 1 is trash but the others are satisfying in recollection

Does sffg like revelation space? I've never read anything by reynolds but I just started this and it's already getting juicy

>>19690372
never read it before
male protag?

>>19690372
Not particularly. He's read anyway though.

>>19686766
Need horrid evil for utilitarian justification for Kellhus's version of Dune's Golden Path to work. Also for the grim dark.

You're supposed to realize it doesn't matter who wins and everyone will keep getting raped and killed either way because humans are enslaved by what comes before anyhow.

Kellhus and the Survivor are the only marginally free actors in the series.

>>19690382
So far he's telling the story of 3 different characters. 2 female and 1 male. Not sure how their paths will cross yet

>>19690411
hmm...

>>19689108
I hope not. You Bakkerfaggots probably scared him away and now regular not obsessed fans like me will never get the No God.

>>19690372
It's good. Chasm City is my fav.

>>19685515
Nominate & Vote for a book that I'll read sometime this month.
The nominations and votes are anonymous.
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/237071-nominate-whatever-and-however-many-you-want-change-your-vote-at-any-tim
I'll probably close the poll sometime next week, depending on how active it is, which means I may be posting it once per thread a few times.
I wonder how it'll compare to the previous one I just did.

>>19690429
It sounds really interesting from his description so far but I am having a hard time picturing it. He said it's a city in a crater, but there's also a huge chasm that plummets into the depths of the planet? Is it a chasm in a crater?

>>19690372
It's interesting for the futurism aspect, but the story and characters are pretty shit. I still read the trilogy + Chasm City. The latter is a complete waste of time IMO, but people who enjoy Reynolds' brand of """story telling""" seem to enjoy it.

are there any series, or single book with a natural progressing romance subplot?

Why should I read Bakker? Where do I start?

Thoughts on Raymond E. Feist?

I would fuck this man's pooper, ngl

>>19690753
>Why should I read Bakker?
Decent fantasy novels with a couple of interesting characters.
>Where do I start?
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19690753
Read Bakker if you like degenerate authors that are obsessed with sex. everything is about sex in his books there is not a chapter without rape or pedophilia or whoredom or cuckoldry. Do not listen to the discord trannies infecting /sffg/

>>19690830
What is other kino fantasy to read?

>>19690830
Everything in actual middle ages politics is about rape, whoredom, cuckoldry, and I don't even know if they acknowledged pedophilia as a distinct thing back then. Don't ask what Empress Theodora was doing from 5 to 25 if you can't handle Bakker.

>I want a grim dark setting!
>No heckin raperino though that's icky

no one wants to read grimderp

>>19690877
Malice by John Gwynne

>>19690733
Replay by Grimwood

Just finished warrior prophet and I got a few questions for you bakkerfags

>Why do the shrial knights protect kelhaus at the tree? They considered him a false prophet so why so they give a shit considering they're starving to death. Why block the scarlet spires when cnair and sarcellus are fighting?

>I thought earlier in the book it was mentioned that chorae do not protect against certain types of sorcery but which type is this? Related I thought no one can sense cisharim. Yet I think I remember achamian sensing them while he was in the woods.

>Why would the mandate only send achamian? Seems like holy wars and propehecy are a pretty big fuckin deal for them. Yet they just send akka and even though he doesn't communicate with them they still don't send at least one more sorcerer by ship to see wtf is going on and months and months?

>what was cenairs great battle plan he shared with kelhaus. Because in the end it seems only their will to win and lack of options led them to victory. Also seemed cheesy btw. A bunch of starved and diseased warriors beat the kiane on their home turf? Especially with the king leading the heathens at this battle? And the scarlet spires didn't even help and the king had no cisharim with him? Seemed a cop out and he was rushed at the end unless I'm missing something major.

>Yeah I'm retarded ik this is explained but I still wasn't really grasping why cenair cared about serwe.

>Does esmi put the charmed shell in her pussy or just keep it near her? Had to ask.

Pretty funny how bakker ends the book with black cum demon rape btw.

>>19691104
Someone will probably have better answers but let's see what I remember

>Why do the shrial knights protect kelhaus at the tree? They considered him a false prophet so why so they give a shit considering they're starving to death. Why block the scarlet spires when cnair and sarcellus are fighting?
I suppose they are guarding their prisoner to make a religious example of him, rule of law basically. They despise sorcerers and believe carrying out the circumfixtion is their holy duty.

>I thought earlier in the book it was mentioned that chorae do not protect against certain types of sorcery but which type is this?
Where'd you read that? The Appendices for example are not 100% reliable, they are written according to what a well-informed contemporary character would know.

>Related I thought no one can sense cisharim. Yet I think I remember achamian sensing them while he was in the woods.
Maybe he "sensed" them through mundane means like hearing.

>Why would the mandate only send achamian? Seems like holy wars and propehecy are a pretty big fuckin deal for them. Yet they just send akka and even though he doesn't communicate with them they still don't send at least one more sorcerer by ship to see wtf is going on and months and months?
The Mandate is tiny, they may not be able to spare anyone who could even achieve a cant of calling.

>what was cenairs great battle plan he shared with kelhaus. Because in the end it seems only their will to win and lack of options led them to victory. Also seemed cheesy btw. A bunch of starved and diseased warriors beat the kiane on their home turf? Especially with the king leading the heathens at this battle? And the scarlet spires didn't even help and the king had no cisharim with him? Seemed a cop out and he was rushed at the end unless I'm missing something major.
I'm pretty sure it's all about will. Whoever feels like they are winning the battle is winning the battle. The preceding events with Kellhus escaping death were so unlikely as to be basically miraculous, and inspired the crusade with a miraculous level of will. Maybe the King of the Fanim came at them without his sorcerers because he was also trying to ride a wave of unstoppable willpower, that broke against the unexpectedly firm resolve of the men of the tusk.

>Yeah I'm retarded ik this is explained but I still wasn't really grasping why cenair cared about serwe.
His entire reason for being is to prove to everyone that he's not a faggot. He's obsessed with possessing her as his "prize" because it affirms that he's the conqueror he desperately wants everyone to see him as.

>Does esmi put the charmed shell in her pussy or just keep it near her? Had to ask.
Good question. I don't think it's explained, but that idea never occurred to me and would make a lot of sense based on historical methods of contraception and Bakker's weird obsessions.


Yeah, these are fucking bad answers, I don't remember anything apparently.

>>19691104
>bakker ends the book with black cum demon rape btw.
based and black cum pilled

>>19690762
Love his stuff

>>19691104
Just a fyi the entire crusade really happened in history, including the starving army coming out to crush a fresh elite army. It's lifted from the first crusade. Read Iron Man and Saints if you want to know more (it is very much worth the read).

>>19691104
>>>Why do the shrial knights protect kelhaus at the tree?

They are doing their duty. They also hate magic users and would not allow them to interfere with Shrial concerns like a duel of one of their ranking members or the execution of a false prophet.

About the chorae and cisharim.

You don't remember correctly. The tears of god, chorae, block all magic of the schools and also block the waters of indra that the cisharim use. You are wrong about akka sensing them too.

Why would the mandate only send achamian?

Other anon answered, they are few in number, confused and even infiltrated.

>>what was cenairs great battle plan he shared with kelhaus. Because in the end it seems only their will to win and lack of options led them to victory. Also seemed cheesy btw. A bunch of starved and diseased warriors beat the kiane on their home turf?

Read about the siege of Antioch. And the great lesson that is taught about battle are the types of chains that bind soldiers and that the focus is on the will of the soldiers. Finally you don't seem to grasp how few mages there are and how important they are. They have the ability to just tell rulers to fuck off if they want to protect themselves.

why cenair cared about serwe.

Serwe is a trophy to him, proof he isn't a faggot and is powerful. It's about his self-identity.

charmed shell idk lol. I think she just keeps it around.
>

>>19690406
The more I read Dune the more I realised how much of it all is in Bakker’s work.
Some parallels
>Paul is Moenghus
>Leto II is Kellhus
>Hwi is Esmenet
>Duncan is Proays
>Evil Tleilaxu are Inchoroi
>Dunyain are Mentats
>Spice is whatever Iyokus was taking
>All the no-X stuff is like no-god and chorae
>TTT is the Golden Path which Paul failed but Leto II picked up and finished with his death (like Kellhus)
>Emperor is Emperor

>>19690878
You are wrong and you are jewish, middle ages politics was about chivalry and jousting and I'll kill anyone who dares say otherwise.

>>19691949
New Age politics is about who can make women CUM! and boy you are losing

>>19691104
The battle is based on the Siege of Antioch which had a week supplied, professional Muslim army surrounding the starving Crusaders. They dug up the lance that pierced Christ's side (supposedly) and took it as a sign. The Muslims let them form up outside the walls hoping to avoid the seige, since they didn't have disease running rampant, and weren't starving, and outnumbered them 2:1. The result was somehow not only the Crusaders winning, but encircling the disordered Turks and slaughtering them. The resulting loss in manpower (40,000 soldiers is a lot to mostly lose) paved the way to Jerusalem.

Turks were thinking of an easy win, Crusaders thought they had a miracle on their side .

Take away the magic and the first three Bakker is just the First Crusade.

>>19691849
>Read Iron Man and Saints if you want to know more (it is very much worth the read).
link? can't find it on bookz or libgen, very weird. i'm also open for suggestions on good, entertaining historical books like that, recently read one about the mesoamerican conquest that i really liked

>>19692291
its not pozzed thats why

>>19691908
Wow now you just need to read joseph campbell and learn there are archetypes

>>19692291

fadedpage dot com slash showbook.php?pid=20190347

Here you go. I hope you read and enjoy the book. I really like it.

>>19692310
just watch extra history instead dude

>>19692344
Kys you faggot

>>19692350
>noooo you can't just hecking watch shitty youtube videos

>>19692344
but if I watch a video about bad people then I'm gonna become the bad people

>>19692393
Yes.

>>19691908
yep same. I'm almost done with God Emperor now and I'm seeing Bakker used quite a bit of Dune in his books. and that's not a bad thing. how is Heretics and Chapterhouse by the way because I really really enjoy God Emperor, it's easily my favorite of the series so far.

>>19692637
Dune is pozzed now

>>19689277
I liked the first book. The second one got significantly worse, so I stopped.

>>19692774
>now
Dune was pozzed the moment Brian decided that urinating in his dad's ash jar was the best way of honouring his legacy.

>>19692867
yikes, i didn't even think the first was very good and dropped it there

>>19690878
Theodora was considered degenerate at the time I thought

>>19691015
based, I'm on book 2 now

>>19690878
>Everything in actual middle ages politics is about rape, whoredom, cuckoldry

This is only truth in a degenerate rotten mind like yours.
In the middle ages sex, love and involvement comes with great social and personal cost, people were much much unbelievable more conservative.
Stop trying to project your degeneracy on others, you are a sicko but there is plenty of normal people out there.

>Why would I ever need to have sex again when I can recall the sex-memories of all my ancestors (which goes back to the Ancient Greeks, mind you)?

I can't be bothered to read The Return of the King. I've lost interest in all of this, it sucks. How's the Silmarillion?

Discussion is sought, but isn't found, and it was never really wanted.

>>19694114
Everyone in charge of Byzantium was crazy degenerate, yes. That didn't make her unpopular or not a major religious figure. She's still an Orthodox saint.

NEWSFLASH: All your old favorite sci-fi and fantasy was pozzed for its time. Get over yourselves, kiddies.

>>19690878
This is what happens when you get all your "medieval history" from fiction, especially something as dumb as fantasy.

I bet you unironically think everyone was married at 14 at the latest or something too, even though it was mostly only nobles arranging marriages of convenience for their youths, and it could take years if not decades for the marriage to actually be consummated. And no way in fucking hell was a peasant letting an able-bodied son or daughter leave the farmstead that early unless they were getting significantly compensated for losing out on a child just entering the prime time of return on investment after them being mostly a drain on their household for the previous decade or so. Just because there wasn't a legal age of consent, and definitions of rape could be wacky as fuck, it doesn't mean it was all just non-stop degeneracy all the time.

>>19694730
Why does no one write non pozzed sf and fantasy?

>>19694804
(((They))) won't allow it to be published

RIP to the Bogdanoff twins.
No more Bakker memes for them

>>19694836
Self publishing is a thing in current year

>>19694853
Good night sweet princess

>>19694804
They do. It's called self published. If you are a faggot that stretches his ass on traditional publish, you will be disappointed.

>>19694786
The fuck do peasants and low level nobles have to do with medieval politics? You're talking about rules that applied to non-actors. The top level royals and clergy who made all the real decisions were 80% total degens.

you may not like it, but every fantasy setting can be improved with the addition of Really Big Blimp

>>19694853
Give me a quick rundown?

Books about sex with orc women?

>>19695008
Big Blimps are pozzed now, you have to add big cocks

>>19695110
I'll be sure to add a really bad gay sex scene between two guys with 15 inchers

>>19695116
Now that's an improvement, but sex between two guys is pozzed and gay, you have to involve rape to make it based

>>19695106
>women
pozzed

>>19694786
You are missinformed. Prostitution and even underage prostitution was widespread in middle ages, most people were poor and it was common to simply sell their children to brothels, often poor families would abandon their young children. In fact just going outside of town and just raping young girl was common occurence. I don't actually know if it was illegal according to law but hardly ever any kind of law was enforced especially regarding brothels.

>>19686363
wow what a whorish opinion

I do not know whether i should read Bakker. on one hand he is a weakling in real life, both physically, mentally and ideologically. on the other hand his worldbuilding seems to be autistic and detailed, which I enjoy. yet every male character seemingly getting raped or fucking shapeshifting futas is also something i do not with to read. anyways Bakker seems like a flaming faggot but his world seems interesting.

>>19695277
>shapeshifting futas
ok picked the fuck up

>>19692637
It gets even better.

>>19690429
Does one need to read RS to understand CS?

>>19695728
No

I never heard of GRRM before HBO show. I never heard of Robert Jordan until this year when the Amazon show came out. I never heard of Brandon Sanderson until youtube recommended his youtube channel when I was looking for Wheel of Time TV show stuff on youtube. Fantasy books and authors are literally who's in a literally who genre. I bet most people never heard of lord of the rings until those came out either.

>>19695845
>I was looking for Wheel of Time TV show stuff on youtube
The state of /lit/

>>19694853
Dump et

>>19691849
>>19691899
>>19692246

Thanks bros. I definitely liked the first book better but this one was quite good still. I did pick up on the crusades similarity and Jesus archetype but I'll look into the siege of Antioch for sure. Hopefully the third book doesn't disappoint. Gunna read some other books in-between though.

>>19695896
The show was so bad I'll never touch those books.

>>19695008
I fucking HATE flying ships.

Shower opinion: Mistborn is my favorite Sandersnoy and Mother of Learning is better.

>>19690773
Am I gay if I would fuck a tranny that looks like a woman (and hides the dick)?

Why is this general so slow lately

>>19696632
oh? does the sense of whimsy and adventure upset you? Do you scoff at the fact that it would never work in real life? do you hate FUN?

>>19695993
couldn't even get past the first episode.

>>19696785
no new books recently

>>19696791
I should specify I hate that specific configuration of an ocean going vessel fastened to a bladder. Much like giant glowing crystals and ancient evils that awake they are ubiquitous in the most unimaginative fantasy.

>>19695008
I love the Books of Babel too, anon.

Uh you guys do realize that Arthur C Clarke was a ping pong pedophile right?

>>19696834
The wind would blow them right off the deck

>>19696785
because the idiots who shitpost here constantly about “muh wahmen” and “muh pozzed” here create a shitty environment which scares off new posters as well as older posters who might have something meaningful to add
>inb4 hordes of seething, crying incels giving me (You)s
settle down now. there, there. tell me where the bad wahman hurt you.

merely pretending

>>19696860
Yeah bro, we have an infographic about it and everything. Golden Age sci-fi was jewed to hell and gone.

>>19685515
Anons I need you to answer me this:
Are Griphons... actually just dragons with feathers?

>>19696974
Griphons are mammals

>>19696974
Canadian Dragons

>>19692398
NAZI

>>19693242
It still blows my mind how someone can miss the point of the original story so badly. It's like he set out to explain everything just because.

So the elves left to a different dimension or something but where did all the hobbits and dwarves go?
I can imagine when the race of men became dominant they got a bit out of hand and culled all trolls and giant spiders and whatever else but did dwarves and hobbits just eventually have to intermingle with humans as they took over the lands and continued to grow to every corner.

>>19697231
dwarves die out hobbits interbreed with men and become welsh

>>19688808
Bakker will never be a real fantasy author. He has no marketing. He has no forum. He has no publisher. He has no contact with any of his fans.
His works are deviant sado-masochism twisted by shills and trolls into a crude mockery of Tolkien's perfection.

>>19688808
dude he has like 19,000 ratings on goodreads, that's more than Vance and just a bit less than Wolfe, I wouldn't call either of them obscure. He was at a booth with Martin too.
He's a bit obscure but I wouldn't go that far.

>>19697250
>>19688808
I guess it's not "his" forum, but there is a forum about his work. I know he's been MIA for two years, but before that he regularly updated a blog and responded to fan questions online. There was even a con or meetup I believe.
I don't think he has the personality to be the kind of author who becomes popular outside of his cult readership of superfans, though. He won't "sell out" to the degree necessary (and as he probably knows, fame like GRRM would still be a longshot).
I wonder if there are other known authors who like his work?

>>19697297
I know they got erikson to write a blurb about it. Bakkers refusal to compromise is what made it great, even if it means it will always be niche.

What's a fantasy book/series he would have liked?

>>19697354

>>19697390
I just want a fantasy book with mushroom people

>>19697231
Hobbits intermarried with humans which is how manlets became a thing. In Tolkien's world men were all 190cm+ giga chads, so short genes had to come from outside the race.

im 3 books into wheel of time. OK so far, but doubt it can keep going for 11 more books without some serious bullshit. worth it to keep going?

>>19697527
depends how much you enjoy it/ how much other things you have to read instead

>>19697527
If you don't like book 3 and 4 you won't like the rest of the series. Book 3 is when Mat finally starts to get some focus, which for a lot of people is a high point in the series.

>>19697527
Wheel of Time is decent if quite rough around the edges from books 2 to 7. Afterwards it starts to get bogged down far too much and needless to say that the Sanderson finish is not a pretty sight to behold. I think Jordan had some interesting ideas and concepts going, but his execution was always a bit lacking even at the best of times. If you enjoyed it so far, you might as well go a bit further, provided that you aren't troubled by the idea that you'll very likely drop it at a later time anyway.

>>19697283
>19k ratings
Some other SFF books that around the same amount of ratings
Ha ha, the amounts of ratings any particular book has sure are strange, ha ha.

0.01x The Carathayan
The Veiled Throne (The Dandelion Dynasty, #3) Liu, Ken
Rough Magick (GnomeSaga #1) - Soward, Kenny
The Mediocre Youth (Renegade Immortal, #1) - Er Gen
City of Hope & Despair (City of a Hundred Rows, #2) - Whates, Ian
Irenicon (The Wave Trilogy, #1) - Harte, Aidan

0.1x The Great Ordeal, The Unholy Consult
Icehenge - Robinson, Kim Stanley
Inhibitor Phase - Reynolds, Alastair
The Traitor God (Age of Tyranny, #1) - Johnston, Cameron
The Green Brain - Herbert, Frank
Elder Race - Tchaikovsky, Adrian

0.25x The Judging Eye, The White Luck Warrior
The Folding Knife - Parker, K.J.
Several People Are Typing - Kasulke, Calvin
Ship of Smoke and Steel (The Wells of Sorcery, #1) - Wexler, Django
With Blood Upon the Sand (The Song of the Shattered Sands #2) - Beaulieu, Bradley P.
The Heresy Within (The Ties that Bind, #1) - Hayes, Rob J.

0.5x The Warrior Prophet, The Thousandfold Thought
Revenger (Revenger, #1) - Reynolds, Alastair
The Ministry for the Future - Robinson, Kim Stanley
The Magic Engineer (The Saga of Recluce, #3) - Modesitt Jr., L.E.
The Winds of Winter (A Song of Ice and Fire, #6) - Martin, George R.R.
Retribution Falls (Tales of the Ketty Jay, #1) - Wooding, Cris

1x: The Darkness That Comes Before -(The Prince of Nothing #1)
The Darkness That Comes Before
Emergency Skin - Jemisin, N.K.
The Prefect (Prefect Dreyfus Emergency, #1) - Reynolds, Alastair
The Line (Witching Savannah, #1) - Horn, J.D.
Rainbows End - Vinge, Vernor
The Dragon's Path (The Dagger and the Coin, #1) - Abraham, Daniel

2x: UNACHIEVED BY BAKKER
The City We Became (Great Cities #1) - Jemisin, N.K.
The Winter King (The Warlord Chronicles, #1) - Cornwell, Bernard
Network Effect (The Murderbot Diaries, #5) - Wells, Martha
The Emperor's Blades - Staveley, Brian
Red Country (First Law World, #6) - Abercrombie, Joe

10x: WILL NEVER BE ACHIEVED BY BAKKER
The Fifth Season (The Broken Earth, #1) - Jemisin, N.K.
Hyperion (Hyperion Cantos, #1) - Simmons, Dan
Leviathan Wakes (The Expanse, #1) - Corey, James S.A.
Starship Troopers - Heinlein, Robert
Elantris (Elantris, #1) - Sanderson, Brandon

100x: ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ACHIEVED BY BAKKER
The Giver (The Giver, #1) - Lowry, Lois
Fahrenheit 451 - Bradbury, Ray
City of Bones (The Mortal Instruments, #1) - Clare, Cassandra
The Handmaid's Tale (The Handmaid's Tale, #1) - Atwood, Margaret
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #1) - Adams, Douglas

400x+: There is a head on a pole behind you. (It's Bakker's)
The Hunger Games (The Hunger Games, #1) - Collins, Suzanne
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Harry Potter, #1) - Rowling, J.K.

>>19697548
Only other thing I've got right now is the last couple Witcher books. I guess I'll just keep going for now and bail when I get bored. He's set up enough threads that I want to read about more that I can probably put up with Rand and Perrin pouting for now. Do any of the characters ever fuck in the books? Occasionally it seems like things are veering into harem territory which I'm not completely averse to

>>19697583
>Do any of the characters ever fuck in the books?
They actually do. The reader bears witness to Rand losing his virginity. But it's basically fade-to-black and no softcore porn.

>>19697589
as it should be

>>19697598
Not quite. Consensual vanilla sex should fade to black. But the rape of women should always be described in graphic detail.

>>19697589
if rand doesn't channel saidin all over egwene's face at least once I will be disappointed. I also hope my boy Loial lays pipe at some point maybe once he's back at the sledding

>>19697612
>egwene
Anon, I...

>>19697598
Stop being such a puritan.

>>19697297
He’s friends with Watts IRL.

>>19696834
Looks cool, books for this feel?

>>19697787
I'm not aware of any, but you could watch Last Exile or play Highfleet

>>19694605
I read it every year, it's essential to me

>>19695845
What is
>anecdotal evidence

>>19697527
No

>>19697527
>worth it to keep going?
Yeah, keep on reading.

Does anyone know any good horror gothic novels?

>>19698279
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Interview with the Vampire
Dracula
Wuthering Heights

>>19698302
>Wuthering Heights
>Horror Gothic
What?

>>19689416
J V Jones Sword of Shadows quartet (soon to be a finished quintet)
>>19690171
Yeah that's my favorite fantasy series. Loved every book except for Runes was super slow and boring but necessary to set up the last quadrology.
>>19698279
Shirley Jackson

>>19698326
>Shirley Jackson
I only ever read the lottery. Are her other works good? Is there a list?

>>19698339
>Is there a list?
List of what? Of her six novels she ever wrote? For the Short stories? They're bound to a single book.

>>19698357
Like I said, I only ever read the Lottery. I don’t know her other works or how they hold up today. I just don’t want to waste my time, that’s all.

>>19698396
Shirley Jackson is a great writer, so I wouldn't be worried about it. I'll recommend you start with The Haunting of Hill House, best ghost story ever written and its horror gothic.

>>19698417
>The Haunting of Hill House
Better not be a waste of my time.

>>19698326
>Shirley Jackson
Is that just fem Percy Jackson?

This is great. Ignore anyone who says to stop reading Black Company after the first 3.

>>19698482
>Black Company
>he series follows an elite mercenary unit, The Black Company, last of the Free Companies of Khatovar, through roughly forty years of its approximately four-hundred-year history. Cook mixes fantasy with military fiction in gritty, down-to-earth portrayals of the Company's chief personalities and its struggles.

>The main chronology spans nine novels, which can be grouped into three sections: The Books of the North recount the Company's dealings with the Empire of Lady; The Books of the South follow the Company on its journey back to its beginnings in Khatovar; Glittering Stone sees the Company achieve victory over its employer's enemies, and move on to its destiny.
Seems interesting, why isn't it talked here? Seems perfect /sffg/ material.

>>19698505
it used to come up a lot. Bakkerposting really killed this place, which is interesting because I feel like Bakkerfags would be into The Black Company.

>>19698513
Are you implying they even read? All they do is spam their bullshit.

>>19698505
It was discussed a decent amount years back, the other anon is right it's probably the changing of the guard and general decline in discussion quality on the site.

>>19698513
>>19698564
Depressing to see how far /sffg/ has fallen.

>>19698513
What's stopping you from discussing Cook instead of complaining about people discussing other books?

>>19698633
he was just answering a question lmao

>>19698482
>that cover
Soul

>>19698505
Sounds Kino.

>>19698682
It is kino. I always recommend it.

>>19698633
nothing specifically, I just don't force myself to hang around insufferable people
which reminds me of why I stopped visiting this general
Imma go

>>19698713
Same, I rarely come here and when I do, it’s just spam.

>>19698480
Fuck no, what even makes you think something like that?

>>19698482
Books of the South are just different and some don't like that. Specifically how Black Company stops being the underdog.

>>19698857
>Specifically how Black Company stops being the underdog.
That’s good though? Why keep them as underdogs forever?

>>19698895
Some people really hate change in their stories.

>>19698856
>/lit/
>reading
That answer doesn’t surprise me.

>>19698856
Lol i read Jackson and immediately thought Percy Jackson

>>19698922
any kind of positive change within the story will set off the grimderp reader

>>19698959
Which, in my view, is pathetic. Fuck, why do people like the status quo?

>>19698971
For many reasons, all of them pathetic.

New thread
>>19698982

Skin Trade is a great American Tolkien story, very VtMB-like.

>>19698482
>cover art by zachary smith, grade 5