/lit/ - Literature

>never did a playboy photoshoot
>whines it ain't art
Colour me surprised.

>>19682794
i tried reading sontag's essays once. They were pretentious bullshit that looked like something a humanities major could come up with, partly as a joke, when in a hurry to deliver an essay

>>19682794
No, its a wonky cribbing of Walter Benjamin. She prefigured cheugs.

>>19682854
walter benjamin is a bad reading of kracauer

>>19682794
She's not the only critic who's written about photography.

>>19682794
A picture of the uggo roasty certainly does turn one against empathy and toward violence.

>>19682794
Intelligent women are fascinating and slightly intimidating bros

>>19682929
dilate, micropeen retard

>>19682794
>And how is she the only critic who's written something noteworthy on photography.
she was a materialist that didn't have time for ecstatic pseudo-religious nonsense

>>19682903
Tell me more.

>>19682794
>moralistic and surreal medium that dulls our capacity for reflective thought and empathy true?
I can see that, while our initial reaction to a photograph may be empathetic that empathy is replaced by other things as we study it. We also can see that empathy has decreased and most everyone carries a camera in their pocket everywhere they go now. No idea if photography could sensibly be shown to be a cause or an effect here.

"The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone — its ideologies and inventions — which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself"

Guess her ethnicity

>>19683032
>Guess her ethnicity
based

>>19683018
The more I think about this the more I think it is right. Post a photo on 4chan or the like, most of the responses will be based in ideology, virtue signalling about how moral they are, rarely an empathetic response that deals directly with the subject matter of the photo. I might read some Sontag in the near future.

>>19682963
You will never be a real woman.

>>19683069
my loss, your gain since you can turn that micropeen easily into a clit.

>>19683084
Just use the men's restroom so we don't have to do this everyday.

>For example, a few of the films of Bergman—though crammed with lame messages about the modern spirit, thereby inviting interpretations—still triumph over the pretentious intentions of their director. In Winter Light and The Silence, the beauty and visual sophistication of the images subvert before our eyes the callow pseudointellectuality of the story and some of the dialogue.

Filtered

>>19683142
Never understood why we should take her taste very seriously.

>>19682794
Riefenstahl traveled to Africa, inspired by the works of George Rodger that celebrated the ceremonial wrestling matches of the Nuba.[13] Riefenstahl's books with photographs of the Nuba tribes were published in 1974 and republished in 1976 as Die Nuba (translated as "The Last of the Nuba") and Die Nuba von Kau ("The Nuba People of Kau"). They were harshly criticized by American writer and philosopher Susan Sontag, who wrote in The New York Review of Books that they were evidence of Riefenstahl's continued adherence to "fascist aesthetics".[65][66][67] In this review, which art critic Hilton Kramer described as "one of the most important inquiries into the relation of esthetics to ideology we have had in many years",[66] Sontag argued that:

Although the Nuba are black, not Aryan, Riefenstahl’s portrait of them is consistent with some of the larger themes of Nazi ideology: the contrast between the clean and the impure, the incorruptible and the defiled, the physical and the mental, the joyful and the critical. [...] What is distinctive about the fascist version of the old idea of the Noble Savage is its contempt for all that is reflective, critical, and pluralistic. [...] In celebrating a society where the exhibition of physical skill and courage and the victory of the stronger man over the weaker have, at least as she sees it, become the unifying symbol of the communal culture—where success in fighting is the "main aspiration of a man’s life"—Riefenstahl seems only to have modified the ideas of her Nazi films.[65]


She sounds like an idiot here. I personally do not believe Riefenstahl had no knowledge of the holocaust, but this take was just stupid. Riefenstahl clearly had talent.

>>19683142
>thinks bergman isn't pleb
filtered

>>19683469
Too smart for Bergman. Very impressive, anon

>>19683142
i agree with this to an extent, but its not necessarily a bad thing. Movies by and large are not that deep but they are still good

>>19683032
>>19683142
>>19683201
>critiques of her wikipedia page

does anyone on this board actually read or are you all retards?

>>19682794
>her critique of photography as a moralistic and surreal medium that dulls our capacity for reflective thought and empathy
No wonder I've heard about her a couple times in my entire life.

>>19682794
jew.

Decadent cosmopolitan Jewess. Opinion dismissed summarily.

>>19683942
Basiert

>>19682794
>jew
>woman
>ugly
>american

>>19683142
>using words like pseudointellectuality or pretentious in a film critique
Not sure why this fraud is taken so seriously

>>19684056
See >>19683835. It's quite simple really, when you begin to realize their true nature.

>>19684075
Jannies purged it.

>>19683835
>>19684028
>this removed

>>19683942
>This not
Embarrasing jannie

>>19682794
God, i love sontag

>>19684189
cringe

>>19684168
Don’t you think she’s a bit decadent?

>>19684197
your thoughts are bourgeois, your feelings are bourgeois, your ideas are bourgeois, and your social views are bourgeois

>>19684226
What’s the problem?
Sontag is bourgie liberal establishment.
I’m not even upper prole. Why are you such a judgmental tweek?

>>19684265
Shut up liberal.

>>19684287
I’m furthest from, anon.

>>19684265
You're a burgess/burgher with expendable income. You're bourgeois (you know, what the the word actually means).

>>19682819
There's nudes of her, though.

>>19682830
Whatever, they're actually pretty good.

>>19683142
based opinion tbqh

>>19684354
>There's nudes of her, though.

sauce

>>19684348
It means middle class. I’m nowhere near it.
I know how to live below my means so I’m not as precariat as some, but I was actually homeless for a couple of days in my twenties. (“Lumpen proletariat”. Not eager to ever go back).

>>19684265
you're nothing.

>>19682794
She looks like a chick I have the displeasure of knowing. The chick in question always makes it a point to fill her sentences with magniloquent and superfluous philosophical terminology, to the point where they cease to have any concrete meaning. It's as if she focusses so much on trying to show you how smart she is that she forgets to convey any useful meaning on the topic at hand.

As for her critique of photography... Well I haven't read it, but I can tell you it's superfluous. Everyone knows that photography is not a real art-form, since there is no skill involved in taking a good photograph, just lots of money and a nice enough subject. Any critique on something as evidently bogus as photography is just the result of someone with too much time on their hands and a dearth of ideas in their head.

>>19684487
I am a little nothing prole. Had dreams of making films, new dream is to recreate a communities. Or at least help it along a good direction.
Why are you being so crusty? What have I said?

>>19683032
>Sontag was born Susan Rosenblatt in New York City, the daughter of Mildred (née Jacobson) and Jack Rosenblatt, both Jews of Lithuanian[5] and Polish descent

>>19684555
https://voca.ro/1isvman1o3wm

>>19683788
The quote I cited comes from one of her essays, “Against Interpretation”. Never (You) me again

>>19684555
spoiler alert: no one cares about your selflessness. grow up

>>19684653
Heh.
Still can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

>>19684713
stirner did nothing but waffle and you’re not gonna build an actual movement on top of his writings
>Still can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
likewise

>>19684555

You're not fucking smart for posting pictures of disinterested cartoon girls. You're a stupid sow in her 30s with a very specific interest.

>>19684226
The bourgeoisie will always be the prime movers of society

>>19684752
You’re not phasing me one bit. Save it.

>>19684746
Keep dancing around the question. I was just wondering why you were acting sore. Keep your mystery.

>>19684795
not exactly. their constant deathwish is
>>19684807
recent example: you seem to think fauci is a vaccine propaganda tool as if most ppl taking the vaccine even in the US give a shit about that drama

>>19684839
>vaccine propaganda tool
The man is a bureaucrat who turned his agency into a tool for big pharma. He’s the go-between for Bill Gates and the gain of function (deadly pandemic creation) research. He’s not a nice guy.
I thought you were a tanky. How can you defend that guy?

>>19684851
i’m not defending him and i think the CDC is a useless and sometimes malicious organization
i just think he’s irrelevant and part of a media circus

>>19684807

Keep posting the french ladies and the other anime girls, you stupid cunt. No one likes you.

>>19684839
You have to keep in mind you are talking to someone who called Jimmy Dore the "truth teller of our time." Aka a massive moron.

>>19684884
i think she's alright desu

>>19684860
As irrelevant as the CIA chief or the president. He’s a powerbroker there for the pharmaceutical giants.

>>19684888
And where has Dore ever been wrong?

>>19684889

She isn't. She is the single worst user in the entire history of the website, as has been observed by others apart from myself. I should know: I've always been here. Shame on you.

>>19684901
>I've always been here
and you're bragging this?

>>19684898
That voting for Donlad Trump would destroy the Republican party and cause a huge left wing movement to take control.

Only good thing he did was spit in Alex Jone's face.

>>19684907
When did he ever say this? This sounds like “accelerationist” stuff. He wanted Bernie, he even fell for him the second time around, but this pandemic bailout tore it. He’s never told anyone to vote Trump to spur leftist action.
Is this Sam?

>>19682794
>FILTERED

>>19683142

Winter Light is based and Hegelpilled, The Silence is caca.

>>19686121
camera lucida is a memoir elegy masquerading as photographic criticism. it's good, but it has nothing to say about photography.

>>19688782
>it has nothing to say about photography.
neither has Sontag tbqhwy

>>19684542
>well I haven't read it
yep it's not a /lit/ thread if people have actually bothered to read a single page before spouting off their half-baked opinions

>>19684542
>t.

>>19682794
sounds based

didn't stop her from munching Annie Liebowitz's rug

>>19683942

>>19682794
I admit it: I think she's kinda hot

>>19690303
This reply by meme confounds me. I'm not quite sure in whose behalf it is expressing solemn asseveration.

>>19689862
you forgot to quote the best part
>Well I haven't read it, but I can tell you it's superfluous

>>19682794
>>19684168
the Jew has captured the power of Jannie. Sad.

>>19691140
It’s against the rules. Stop being a tard (outside /b/ lol)

>There were only two good modern female thinkers: one was simone weil and she's dead, brother, the other one is me, the american dream dustina rhodes.

>>19691179

>>19688782
but anon photography as a medium is a form of elegy. also he did earlier work that was much more stracturalist autistic and boring, only later his writing turned to the personal and subjective lens (pun intended)

>dude what if taking a picture of somebody makes you less empathetic to them because it's not le real!

oh my god who gives a fuck ban all philosophers and grifters

>>19682794
Ugly kike. Straight to the trash

>>19683032
So she agrees with Spengler and Dugin?

>>19682794
Leonard Bernstein?

>>19692505
No, wait. I got it. She's female John Cassavetes.

>>19684542
>Everyone knows that photography is not a real art-form, since there is no skill involved in taking a good photograph
go tell that to /p/

>>19684860
The media's the only reason people have gone along with all the lockdowns and bullshit. Fauci's become a big face in the media. Doesn't follow why you'd think him irrelevant.

>>19683142
People always say things like this, And then make a film themselves and it's the worst thing you've ever seen.

>>19683032
This quote genuinely pissed me off, but after reading Hitchens' positive and negative things about her in his memoir I'm really excited to read her essays in the future.
It seems like a pretty ahistorical take to me, though, but either she defends it in an interesting way or she's allowed one braindead take.

>>19684542
>well I haven't read it, but

>>19684807
You're so fucking sensitive, can you stop shitting up threads by constantly arguing with anons? Drop your trip, you might find it easier to MOVE ON.

>>19682794
I will never read another Jewish woman's writing ever again.

>>19695763
Why are you being so sensitive?

>>19693665
I remember I have done that once, it garnered some negativity but not a great deal.

>>19695754
Did you read the rest of the post?

>>19682794
>And how is she the only critic who's written something noteworthy on photography

retard

>>19683032
>The white race is the cancer of human history
I am white and agree with this, even if I wouldn't admit it in public.
White people totally fucked around since illuminism, displaying a luciferian "virtuous cruelty" in name of a very abstract idea of "progess" where it became acceptable to destroy 1 million units of something to produce 1 unit of "scientific condensate" without being able to recreate the 1 million that has been sacrificed to it.
Inebriated by this mindset and by the great powers given by those scientific units, it proceeded to destroy every other civilization, the planet, his own history, religion and traditions.
We now live on a mountain of scientific and technological marvels, yet our lives are miserable and alienated. We now sacrifice our existence no more for "progress", since it became evident the return on investment has become quite miserable since a long time, but for the very vague and blindly slave minded of "work ethic".

>>19698323
But if by that she considered the Jewish race non white, no shit.
Jews are the shadow of the white race since French Revolution

>>19698323
you think a "sensitive pseudo-intellectual white boy cuckold" persona is going to get you pussy?

>>19698479
You are really so desperate all you can throw is a pathetic ad hominem attempt?

>>19698323
>Be me
>Irish blood
>Obligatory University course on Indigenous people
>Tutor tells me I'm privileged for being white
>"I'm not white."
>Tutor gives confused look
>"My blood's Irish."
>She tries to tell me I'm white
>"Tell that to the English, it could've been me on Bloody Sunday"
>She tries to tell me I'm missing the point
>I start rambling about how I empathise with indigenous people, as a fellow person of colour whose kind was recently persecuted in the late 20th century
>Assignment is distributed
>2000 word paper, part of it is meant to be a personal spiel about your own experiences with racism/lack thereof
>They basically wanted white people to regurgitate how oppressed indigenous persons are, such as how sometimes security guards might watch them when they're in the shops
>I submit my paper, referencing experiences of feeling persecuted as someone of Irish descent
>She fails me, I take it to the HoD after pointing out each section of the criteria sheet I satisfied to warrant at least a passing grade
>I'm given the bare minimum for a pass, told I'm lucky to even get a pass, and I'm told that I "shouldn't contest my grade again, as this is very generous given what I've submitted"
>Tell the Dean that I've been targeted and threatened as someone with Irish background, send the same breakdown of my report compared with the marking scheme, attach the email with the threat, tell them that I don't feel comfortable in this class
>Dean actually responds, I'm given a distinction and an apology, he says unfortunately I need to stay in the class, but it's only 5 more weeks, and he assures me it won't happen again
>Dean has Irish surname
>I knew this all along
>Next week I'm in the class and you can just tell the cunt tutor has had her ear chewed out

I gotta tell you anons, it's great to be pseudo-white

>>19682794
She's right that photography is mostly a shitty 'artform', but I've seen some nice photos.

>>19698544
Based potato-bro. Mogging the anglos in their own language.

>>19698544
The Hibernian syndicate strikes again!

>>19698544
indigenous and anti-colonial dubs checked

>>19682794
>>19698313
John Berger is based, highly recommend ways of seeing, including the tv version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk

>>19698544
>Dean has Irish surname
>I knew this all along

>>19682794

My thoughts on Sontag were summed up quite nicely in an article, written about her. After all, it's only fitting that a jew tears down another jew:"How, then, could a woman who was so inadequate a mother, so untrustworthy a friend, so out of touch with the most commonplace realities, have been a penetrating analyst of culture and politics? The short answer is that she wasn’t."https://www.commentary.org/articles/joseph-epstein/susan-sontag-savant-idiot/A better read than a single thing Sontag ever wrote in her entire miserable life. Have a go at it.

>>19682794
My thoughts on Sontag were summed up quite nicely in an article, written about her. After all, it's only fitting that a jew tears down another jew:

"How, then, could a woman who was so inadequate a mother, so untrustworthy a friend, so out of touch with the most commonplace realities, have been a penetrating analyst of culture and politics? The short answer is that she wasn’t."

https://www.commentary.org/articles/joseph-epstein/susan-sontag-savant-idiot/

A better read than a single thing Sontag ever wrote in her entire miserable life. Have a go at it.

Sontag's entire career is a watered-down American imitation of Barthes. She doesn't even try to hide it. The only reason she is remembered is because she popularized his (and other French theorists') ideas for the liberal boomer generation via magazine articles: and just look what that has wrought. A sham and an intellectual nonentity.
>>19688782
Filtered.

>>19700829
Looks like the article is paywalled, so here's a free version of it:
https://pastebin.com/RCLSHgPx

>>19700876
>her highly photogenic good looks
Yes, a very handsome woman indeed.

>>19698323
>White people totally fucked around since illuminism
>White people
*Anglos and *Germs

FTFY

>>19684615

>I've read her most popular book, I am very much an expert with important and nuanced points to make

>>19698323
i mean i agree that the "white race" (as in european colonisation) fucked the world big time but i take offense to the "the white race and it alone" part as if its in our genes. given the opportunity most cultures fucked each other over at the time. if the spaniards hasn't overthrown the aztec empire we might sacrifice ppl to random aztec gods right now as was custom in that culture. the Japanese did a fair bit of colonisation too so even if you count spaniards as white, you can not say this was a white people only thing. Modern day palestinians can certainly attest to that. most cultures back then could have become the "cancer of human history" if they were more successful. we can look back and say "yep, that was bad" we can look at the resulting situation and say "yep, that is bad and needs to be fixed", we should eliminate racist institutions and call out shitty people and injustice. you can say the white man fucked the world in an historical context, sure, but if you start attributing that to "race" as in genetics or to "race" as in culture and extend that to modern day white people, you are not only demonstracly incorrect but also a hateful racist yourself. if by "white race" you mean the culture at the time, sure.

>>19684907
>Only good thing he did was spit in Alex Jone's face.
cringe

>>19682794
>If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far.... The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.[2]

>>19698544
Am Italian-American. Can confirm, it's great to ride the line.

>>19698544
>Dean has Irish surname
>I knew this all along
Masterfully done Seamus, in this age we need to stick together more than ever as the daggers come out for us

>>19702937
Spaghetti and potatoes, united at last

>>19682794
Is that a man or a woman?

>>19704016
That was a chain smoker
(Who had a son)

>>19682794
>>jew
invalid

>>19698544
keked and checked

>>19682794
she's the dictionary definition of a pseud

>>19706004
Your mum

>>19698874
Underrated post

>>19683032
>If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far.... The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.[2]