/lit/ - Literature

>>19673506
Sigh. Figurative language Anglo.

>>19673506
How did he write that if he was in chains?

>>19673506
All bad ideas are invariably French.

>>19673629
Except for yours right?

we live in a society

Why is that meant to be satirical, Zoomer?

>>19673506
philosophy is a nonsense; return to Christ

>>19673506
>How strange it is that sheep, who were born carnivorous, should nevertheless everywhere be nibbling grass

>>19673506
No, but de Sade satirized him a lot.

>>19673629
Heh.. a young anon tries his hand at REASON.. let me dispel your illusions and win another glorious victory on the intellectual battlefield..

You see kid, I am not french, yet I think that you are a gay faggot who is wrong.. since all bad ideas are french, and I am not, this is not a bad idea, per the ill-fated machinations of your own mind..

You are forced to conclude that either you are a gay faggot and wrong, since this is a non-french idea and hence non-bad, or you are forced to accept you are also a gay faggot and wrong, since what you wrote is not true, because to reject the conclusion that you are a gay faggot and wrong, you would have to say that a bad idea was not invariably french..

it would appear you are being hoisted by your own petard and that yet again, I walk away the victor, allied as I am with logic, truth and reason, with the acumen and skill to employ these weapons of my arsenal with unflinching accuracy..

I understand if you do not want to post anymore..

>>19673713
Nobody can be this breathtakingly stupid.

>>19673811
Please, explain.

>>19673737
Let them nibble the grass, but if others wish not to the should be free to eat meat. FUCK YOU and your eat the bugs, take the vaxx, hail satan mentality. DIE DIE DIE.
>>19673811
Seethe faggot, die a nigger's death.

>>19673947
>Let them nibble the grass, but if others wish not to the should be free to eat meat. FUCK YOU and your eat the bugs, take the vaxx, hail satan mentality. DIE DIE DIE.
Sadly he didn't post the entirety of the quote I don't care to find it for you. De Maistre's point which he later summarised in this joke about carnivorous sheep only eating grass because of the shepherd was that when you look and observe an animal you don't describe its nature by trying to figure out what does it want because you can't, instead you describe it as is. With humans Rousseau assumes a priori what they are like and then attributes the fact that the history shows something completely opposite of that is a result of oppression, rather than observing humans and saying look - they love war, servitude and violence, that's how they are.

>>19673506
>abandons all his children in orphanages
what did he mean by this?

>>19674231
It was necesary to mantain the social contract, it was in fact the Sovereign that put those children in the orphanage, not by unanimous concensus, but if the half plus one vote for it the other half minus one agrees to let them go to the orphanage

>>19673506
Rousseau captured the zeitgeist of one of the most important political and historical periods in human history. He was a troubled man with many flaws but I don't see how his writing on inequality and politics was flawed for his times, and I would say they greatly benefited humanity at large.
Like I don't get what the point of these kinds of threads are other than worthless sh*tposting, you can isolate pretty much any sentence written in Kant's critiques(especially the moral/ethical ones) and claim that he's a fool for thinking this way.

>>19673747
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>>19674231
cringe

>>19674297
most people here are zoomers and have only spent a couple years reading. they care more about conquering other people's positions than forming their own inner-lives, which is why half the things these philosophers say go over their heads and the minutiae which doesnt gets reinterpreted by them so that they can lazily write off their entire methodology. they are children who have no respect for the tradition of self-observance within the canon. i would have them whipped personally.

>>19674297
I've read B. de Jouvenal's essay on Rousseau but bot the man himself but the thing that struck me is that while Jouvenal tries to sort of make it appear as R. isn't a hopeless idiot, it doesn't make much sense in practice. The popular will for instance as introduced inevitably turns into mob rule. Rousseau is smart enough to recognise the issues of it, so he erects a lot of countermeasures to it, but the way it ends up is that benelovent dictatorship can be as good of a solution for his concept as everything else, which we know did happen - Dr. Francia, Paraguayan dictator was great fan of Rousseau and tried to build a society based on his ideas in there. However very few people who think there's something worthwhile in Rousseau today will say nice things about anything but democracy, which makes me wonder what's the deal with him

>>19674520
Thanks for your input, little zoom-zoom.

>>19673629
Marx was German.

>>19673506
Incredible man

>>19673811
Do you just deliberately overlook the massive NatSec surveillance State, or are you genuinely retarded?

>>19673747
fake and french

>>19674759
>The popular will for instance as introduced inevitably turns into mob rule.
This is slightly inaccurate in the context of Rousseau's thought. Although it eventually led to the French Revolution, if you read him, you'd see that he says himself that his theory would not work with all types of nations; a discretion I think absolves him of any worthless insults like "hopeless idiot". Rousseau's vision was fit for a more agarian population whose self-interest would take precedence over any political scares like that which happened during the French Revolution, (he used his homeland, 18th century Switzerland, as his model), so mob rule would not have been a necessary end to it.

>>19673747
fuck the franks

>>19674050
thats kinda raw

>>19673747
A literally perfect post.

>>19673506
>... that whoever refuses to obey the general will shall be compelled to do so by the whole body. This means nothing less than that he will be forced to be free
>forced to be free
how did he get away with this?

>>19673737
Deep

>>19673506
>French intellectuals

>>19673506
No

>>19673629
Communism is German, so you're wrong.

>>19674050
Is de maistre a kantian?

>>19673506
They slap the chains on at birth in most places. There is no meaningful freedom anywhere.

>>19673506
No one has ever been born free, for the bonds of necessity are incomparably harder than chains of iron and hold everyone perfectly fast.

>>19673506
Are you fucking retard?

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>>19674791
Jewish moshe not German.

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>>19674856
The Fool speaks truth, the cynic recoils because the former still has what the latter abandoned long ago.