/lit/ - Literature

first for zyzz

>>19656013
books with this feel?

>>19645535
With a massive 3 votes total, 2 possibly from the same person, Earth Abides it is. I'll have to do it entirely differently next time if i do it again.

The Planet on the Table (1986)
This was KSR's first story collection. All of these stories previously ran in magazines. It covers his published stories from 24-33 years old. KSR is 69 years old as of this writing. Almost every story in this collection was nominated for a major award, though only one won. It's not that these stories are bad, poorly written, or for the most part anything wrong with them. The problem was simply that they mostly simply didn't interest me in any way and I didn't find them engaging at all. I'm considering reading The Best Of Kim Stanley Robinson and ignoring his other collections. Half of this collection is included in that. Maybe I just don't like his short fiction. It's too soon for me to say much about his novels.

Introduction
KSR visits the grave of James Joyce and communes with him. It was rather different from the usual sort of introduction to a book.

Venice Drowned (1981)
In 2040, a Venetian man has an existential crisis about selling out his national heritage to foreigners who salvage the ruins beneath the waves.
Ok

Mercurial (1985)
A capricious detective and her reluctant sidekick investigate a murder and an art crime, on Mercury.
Meh

Ridge Running (1984)
Joe was never quite the same after he had part of his brain regrown, thought his friends as they traversed the snowy mountains.
Blah

The Disguise (1977)
A revenge tragedy play where the protagonist and other actors are unable to discern between reality and their implanted roles as actors. One of the actors is a murderer and will do so again, but maybe not even the murderer knows their identity. I should've liked this, but I didn't.
Meh

The Lucky Strike (1984)
An alternate history story of whether nuclear weapons were ever necessary, let alone justified. This has been one of his most popular and controversial works.
Ok

Coming Back to Dixieland (1976)
On Venus, a group of miners compete in a contest against professional musicians. They doubt they can win, but they believe that the exotic novelty of Earth music and instruments gives them a chance.
Blah

Stone Eggs (1983)
An experimental SF story where the protagonist isn't what he seems, let alone what he thinks himself to be. I didn't care for it at all.
Blah

Black Air (1983)
A very realistic depiction of the Spanish Armada heading to England. It's basically historical fiction. This story won the 1984 World Fantasy Award award for novella. I'm sure it's very enjoyable for the right audience, but it wasn't for me.
Meh

MODESITT JR IS KING

>clack, clack, clack….

>>19656013
Respond to this post with what you think were /sffg/'s top 5 most read SFF books that were published in 2021.

1 point for guessing a book in the top 5
2 points for guessing the book and the correct order

Example
Book1
Book2
Book3
Book4
Book5

The 2021 /sffg/ Report will be posted sometime during this thread, probably. Now I'm going to sleep.

>>19656038
>22 books in the same series
Yeah, nah

>>19656049
New Andy Weir book and the last Expanse book will be in there somewhere

>>19656013
I wish there was a way to solely look up group reviews because I assume we all at least have similar tastes. Goodreads is so goddamn unwieldly.

>>19656038
Read the first two, worth continuing?

The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19656013
Wasn't The Winds of Winter supposed to be published or at the very least get announced this year? Where the fuck is it?

>>19656160
>he still has hope
lmao

>>19656049
i can’t even name three sff books worth mentioning that came out this last year, let alone five

piranesi
the new abercrombie one
paolini’s spess shit

that’s all i’ve got anon

>>19656060
>>22 books in the same series
>Yeah, nah

Do you even Riftwar? Do you even 1632 and Grantville Gazette? Do you even Malazan? Do you even Xanth?

You are a complete pseud and a shame to this thread. Never call yourself a Fantasyhead again.

>>19656163
GRRM supposedly locked himself in his writing cabin, because he wanted to isolate himself against Covid anyway. He HAS to have something to show for it. He claimed to have written hundreds of manuscript pages during his stay. Combined with whatever he has done the nine years prior, he can't be that far from completion. What the hell is holding him up? It's a legitimate question.

>>19656160
ha-ha-ha…..
ha.

>>19656160
Does anyone even care? I though he just gave key plot points to the makers of the show and called the quits.

>>19656203
I care. I started reading the books before the show came out and I never watched the show when it did arrive. I want to read the ending to the book series I started, nothing more.

>>19656170
If quantity is merit then maybe AO3 is more your speed

>>19656170
1632 is shit though

>Elric tries to escape from some stupid Young Kingdoms plot against him, usually some petty governor who tried to swindle him
>finds himself at the end of this strength, there's nothing he can do, he is hungry, weak and tired
>suddenly some fantastical thing happens and he is saved
>"I see it as mere coincidence"
>plot usually revolves around solving something in a dream-like plane of existence

Are all Elric books the same?

>>19656508
The Darkness That Comes Before

as entertainment I seem to really prefer the first person perspective like project hail mary and bobiverse recently. Can I get some other recommendations?

>>19656694
I've read that shit (the whole 7 books) probability more times that the entire sffg at the same time.

Recently I've started Elric and while it is good, I've noticed this pattern in 3 books already and I'm afraid it's the case in all the others.

>>19656160
I am going to be real with you, anon. Given how close to being cancelled into a grave Gurm came during last year's Worldcon drama, there's no way you are seeing a new ASoIaF book.

The man has entrenched himself into the cannibalistic leftist camp, pretty much since the start of the Puppies drama. He is at least being true to his artistic vision of a hard, gritty world with consequences, where likable characters rape and get raped. He also understands that there is no way to publish something like this without getting crucified by the people you have Stockholm Syndromed yourself into seeing as friends.

Give up hope. Pick up some other book instead.

>>19656240
>>19656257
Bigger the better, you stinky pseuds.

What the actual fuck was this? Did someone just smoke a ton of weed then write the screenplay from a hazy memory of reading the story once? Pretty wild but funny in places. Lovecraft wouldn't like it though.

>>19656959
yeah but I didn't like the color out of space either. One of the weakest lovecraft stories I read. Nicolas cage was good though. Made me watch pig which is an amazing movie.

>>19656966
>yeah but I didn't like the color out of space either. One of the weakest lovecraft stories I read.
I guess that's just because it's a bit less embodied than the other stories, there's no shocking monsters like Dunwich Horror in it. I think Lovecraft is one of the few writers to make colours and light spooky though.
>Pig
It was good but I left the cinema 20 minutes before it ended. What did I miss?

>>19656985
He fucks the pig

>>19656931
Martin cannot be cancelled by any conventional means. That's the great thing about money: Maybe it doesn't buy you love or immortality or even happiness, but it does buy you freedom. There are only two things for Martin to fear at this point in his life: The inevitability of death and the question whether he can finish his life's work before that inevitability catches up with him. I don't believe any lefty cancel mob could strike even a quarter as much fear into his heart as the prospect of never completing his vision for the Song of Ice and Fire and serving it to the reading public. He knows perfectly well that it's going to be his legacy one way or another and no man wants his legacy to be a disappointing one.

>>19656020
Probably some Star Wars Legends books

>>19656985
you left before he made the meal? Not much otherwise but the meal for the dad was the climax. Then the truffle hunter and the kid continue to be friends.

>>19656985
>It was good but I left the cinema 20 minutes before it ended. What did I miss?
The best part of the whole film you dingus

>>19656985
also I just didn't like it as a story. I sat and read it for ~1.5 hours and it was just a family suffering. There was little to enjoy or be fascinated by.

>>19656038
>Themes of gender stereotyping, sexism, ageism, racism, are explored in the course of the series
Wtf reclucebro... that doesn't sound very based...

>>19657007
>~1.5 hours
Really? It’s like 25 pages long, but maybe our reading speed varies. I wasn’t that irked by the family suffering, but I thought it was just a framing device to show that the light was doing whacky, alien shit that was making things grow, then finally cause it to be devoid of life.

>>19657036
Yes I'm not English and find lovecrafts language challenging. It was more akin to an hour though if it was 25 pages.
But to me the story was like reading about a dead animal rotting in a forest. Not much to like about it.

>>19657055
>Yes I'm not English and find lovecrafts language challenging.
That’s okay man, at least you’re trying difficult things and in your additional language too! Lots of native speakers can’t read Lovecraft or Shakespeare very well, so it’s whatever. Do you know of any good writers in your own primary language I should look out for?

>>19656988
>Martin cannot be cancelled by any conventional means.
Martin is a fundamentally lonely man. If he wasn't drowning in hypergamous pussy, he'd be what his self-selected intellectual "peers" would call an incel.

He doesn't fear financial destitution; the gods know he's beyond that sort of shit. But he fears being left alone and friendless, abandoned by those he sought to ingratiate himself with.

>>19657082
there's very little sci-fi. There's LoveStar which is quite creative.

>>19656179
Martin's problem is his writing style. He does many, many rewrites. For example when he wrote about Quentyn arriving in Meereen, he didn't know what was better to have so he wrote three versions for arriving well before Dany's wedding, one arriving after and one arriving just the day before. Now imagine him doing this for a bunch of scrapped plotlines and what not and you can see why this man can almost never get anything done recently

>>19657127
Martin will never want for people ready to kiss his ass. His adoring fans outnumber the vocal minority of woketards approximately a thousand to one. They can't hold any sway over Martin, because they can't threaten him financially nor socially. However much they screech, the next GoT installment would be a national bestseller, no questions asked. If they deny him validation, he can easily find it elsewhere. On top of that Martin is also several generations removed from them anyways. He should know it in his bones that he can never truly belong to the new kids. It's very possible he's afraid of losing someone from his ever dwindling number of old friends from the 60's, granted. His blogposts indicate as much. But his old friends are never going to condemn him for writing whatever he wants to write. No external forces short of the Grim Reaper himself have any control over Martin's writing ability.

>Got this for Christmas
It's good, right?

>>19657127
>drowning in hypergamous pussy
Have you seen his ogre of a wife? He's not getting any fresh puss lmao.

>>19657386
It's shit.
>>19657370
I envy your naivete, anon.

>>19656160
November 2023 and its gonna be 3000+pgs long

>>19657386
its great

>>19656160
>tfw A Song of Ice and Fire will never be finished
>tfw Beserk will never be finished
>tfw The Second Apocalypse will never be finished
Feels bad man.

>>19656508
Outside of the novels, yep.

>>19657597
It keeps happening to things I love
Meanwhile Sanderson keeps putting out more and more books
Soon all of fantasy will be Sanderson

>>19657386
It's for cyberpunkdiaperbabies but I don't hate it.

>>19657597
maybe happy endings and happy mythology is the key to staying alive...

>>19657663
Miura's the only one of them that died though

>>19656160
Wasn't it rumoured that The Expanse authors are writing a canon ASoIaF novel?

>>19657386
It's hard to describe, but I liked it. Mieville writes weird shit.

>>19657760
GRRM will pass soon
Bakker is lost somewhere in the frozen tundra

>>19657865
Well at least Abercrombie, Erikson and Esslemont are still writing.

What fantasy book released in 2021 did you guys like the most?

It's either Mother of Learning or The Witch's Heart for me.

>>19657907
Wisdom of Crowds I guess

>>19657907
why dont you go to your weeb board instead?

>>19657597
Beserk is probably dead, I can't see the assistants finishing it unless there was a well laid out ending, which I don't think there was. At best we'll get a rushed ending in one arc. I figured the story had at least 2-3 more arcs left to fill in the back story of the Godhand and Skull Knight though.


GRRM will never finish but will probably leave enough notes to finish the story. The problem is that his continual generation of new paths makes finishing very difficult for anyone who inherits the story. Also he probably scrapped a bunch because the show got panned, but I think the plot points weren't necissarily terrible, it's that they weren't developed well and the general show quality was shit and rushed.

The White Walkers being rushed shit can be fixed. The Unholy Consult proves you can have your big, unholy evil bad guys still have a dramatic role.

Bakker is also old now. The Darkness That Comes Before came out like 20 years ago, dude is 54. He looks young and healthy though. I think the bigger risk his him not publishing because publishers won't pick it up for what he wants, or him having just quit since he disappeared.

The Unholy Consult ranks pretty shit in sales, and it was impossible to get copies for awhile because of supply chain issues. I don't see any of the books in stores anymore, even though the originals have a pretty high sales rating.

Also, people didn't seem particularly happy with the ending and seem to have missed all the foreshadowing tied to it.

It still got an audiobook publication, but it didn't place high either. A shame, really. I did feel the second series could benefit from some editing, but it is still better than the overwhelming majority of the genre.

>>19657760
Bakker is dead to the world though and GRRM's behavior makes it pretty clear the mainline ASOIAF story is dead to him.

At what point did you realize you didn't merely disagree with him, but that you legitimately disliked him as a person?
For me, it was taxposting. The moment when I stepped back in a moment of crystal clear clarity and realized how utter repulsive as a human being he is.

>>19657973
Bakker is not really old.

the old guy is actually a paid actor. The real grrm is a guy in his thirties

>>19656068
I'm not sure if one of us is misunderstanding or not.
Here's an image.

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>>19658035
That's exactly it. Thanks.

>>19657973
Studio Gaga will probably continue Berserk. Since they announced right away they were discontinuing Duranki, Berserk is the only job they have.
I still believe Winds of Winter will come out but I have no illusions about ASOIAF being finished, GRRM will die with A Dream of Spring unfinished.
Bakker just needs a hug and some kind words.

>>19657973
Berserk is absolutely over and I don't think anyone was satisfied with the "ending" assistants cobbled together.

>>19658073
That wasn't an ending. It was just the last chapter Miura was working on when he died.

>>19656029
Have you read any Sturgeon, Anon? His collections are very good and he wrote a lot of them.
http://strangehorizons.com/fiction/the-man-who-lost-the-sea/

>>19658116
No, I haven't liked what I've read of Sturgeon's short fiction either. Some older SF authors, mid 20th century, who I've liked some of their short fiction: Alan E. Nourse, H. Beam Piper, Mack Reynolds, Philip K. Dick, and Robert Silverberg. I have a lot of others with only one or two stories noted. I haven't read that much overall of the era though.

I enjoy the Dunk & Egg stories far more than the actual Ice and Fire novels. I love the idea of two characters roaming around, living adventures and getting mixed up with politics, thus altering the world. Also it's comfy.

Is there anything else I can read that has Dunk & Egg vibes?

>>19658192
The Tales of Bauchelain & Korbal Broach

>>19658073
>ending the assistants....
wtf? I'm pretty sure there has been no new chapter since his death. Did it come out today? Why is no one talking about it.

>>19658225
He's talking about the chapter that came out months ago (months after Miura's death, he died in the spring)

>>19658254
oh I thought that chapter was released before he died.

>>19658073
I think it depends on what he left. If he had panels done for later stuff, or at least sketches and text done, it's worth finishing them up, but if he didn't have much by way of preplanning, then yeah, it's dead.

>>19658273
No, the chapter before that one was.

>>19656060
1 point

>>19656164
2 points for last year, the updated version I'll be posting anyway for how it stands at the end of 2021.

Probably isn't much point to hold out any longer. I'll post it soon I suppose.

Why yes, I did tweet about finishing the draft for Thorn of Emberlain in 2019 and nothing has happened since, how could you tell?

>>19657651
>Soon all of fantasy will be Sanderson
Just wait for him to get all those movie deals.

>>19658363
Cosmere Cinematic Universe, coming to a streaming platform near you.

When do we get more Red Rising?

>>19658212
Thanks, mate. Seems nice although I haven't read Malazan yet. Will that stop me from enjoying Bauchelain and Broach?

>>19657932
Because I want to talk about books? Are you retarded?

>>19658450
Not at all. There's nothing in the novellas that's relevant to the novels and as far as I recall Bauchelain & Korbal Broach only had a brief cameo in Memories of Ice. They're totally doing their own thing.

>>19658474
NTA but I am a sucker for stories about necromancers so thanks for bringing Bauchelain & Korbal to my attention.

>>19656013
2021 /sffg/ Report
For a full listing of all 105 unique books read, look in the 2021 /sffg/ Report thread in the /sffg/ GR group.

/sffg/ Thread Stats
/sffg/ threads in 2021: ~224
A new /sffg/ thread was created on average every 1.63 days / 1d 15h 7m 12s
!SFFG.n1h7M write-ups posted in 2021: ~100, on average one every 3.65 days, and however many not posted in the thread.

/sffg/ Goodreads Group Stats
Member Count By Year
Dec 30th 2019 Members: 36
Dec 28th 2020 Members: 289
Dec 29th 2021 Members: 501

Member Join Year
Nov-Dec 2019: 36
2020: 252
2021: 217

Member Last Active
December 2021: 327 (65%)
September 2021: 382
June 2021: 419

Member Last Active Year
2021: 490 (98%)
2020: 10
2019: 1

Last active Dec 2021, joined Nov 2019: 19/26 (73%)

Accounts created and joined not within a month in 2021: 16 (7%)
Accounts created and joined within a month in 2021: 41 (19%)
Total accounts created in 2021: 57 (26%)
Did 41 members create a Goodreads account solely to join the /sffg/ GR group?

Top 10 Reviewers By Review Count
574
386 !SFFG.n1h7M
229
221
214
158
153
149
124
119

2021 SFF BOOKS & READERS STATS
2021 SFF
Read 1+ SFF books published in 2021: 81 (16%)
Read 5+ SFF books published in 2021: 9 (1.8%)
Unique books read: 105
Only 1 member read: 70
Total read: 217

Top 9 2021 SFF Readers (5+ read)
20 !SFFG.n1h7M
16
14
9
8
7
6
5
5

Most Read 2021 SFF Books, 5+ Readers (9)
Project Hail Mary Weir, Andy 21
Bloodline (Cradle, #9) Wight, Will 14
The Wisdom of Crowds (The Age of Madness, #3) Abercrombie, Joe 11
Fugitive Telemetry (The Murderbot Diaries, #6) Wells, Martha 8
The Blacktongue Thief (Blacktongue, #1) Buehlman, Christopher 6
Reaper (Cradle, #10) Wight, Will 6
Inhibitor Phase Reynolds, Alastair 6
Klara and the Sun Ishiguro, Kazuo 5
Defiance of the Fall: A LitRPG Adventure Thefirstdefier 5

Top 5 Most Read 2020 SFF Books
Rhythm of War (The Stormlight Archive, #4) Sanderson, Brandon 8
The Trouble with Peace (The Age of Madness, #2) Abercrombie, Joe 7
Peace Talks (The Dresden Files, #16) Butcher, Jim 7
Wintersteel (Cradle, #8) Wight, Will 6
Dawnshard (The Stormlight Archive, #3.5) Sanderson, Brandon 5

Top 5 Most Read 2020 SFF Books, at the end of 2021
Rhythm of War (The Stormlight Archive, #4) Sanderson, Brandon 30
Piranesi Clarke, Susanna 20
Wintersteel (Cradle, #8) Wight, Will 17
The Trouble with Peace (The Age of Madness, #2) Abercrombie, Joe 16
Peace Talks (The Dresden Files, #16) Butcher, Jim 11

>>19657651
>Meanwhile Sanderson keeps putting out more and more books
>Soon all of fantasy will be Sanderson
Lmao

>>19657885
lesser sons of lesser glories

>>19658518
Bleak

>>19658612
How so?

>>19657408
I honestly feel bad for Gurm. He was the shy fat nerd all his life and it became so ingrained into his identity that he can't break out of it anymore even after he suddenly found himself rich and famous in old age. He should be banging young sluts like Hefner did, he should live the fat ugly bastard life. But I think the most he could bring himself to do was behaving like a creep around that turkroach actress who portrayed Shae and ogling Emilia Clarke's tits during her sex scene. What a pitiful existence.

>>19658735
I will never read this chink shit, but I'll admit I like the title. It has such a nice ring to it somehow. Stands out among all the "The X of Y"s, too.

>>19658715
you know i actually think gurm is a great guy
>anti trump
>feminist
>lib
>actually smart enough to understand how politics work and how to insert them in his books
>wrote some of fantasy's greatest characters
>good at writing sci fi as well as fantasy
>humble
>faithful to his wife
>gives thoughtful interviews
sucks that he takes +10 years to write a book, but other than that, i'd like to hang out with him.

>>19658758
>great guy
>feminist
does not compute

Redpill me on Discworld

>>19656164
the absolute state of modern lit is pretty fucking sad-it's been entirely hijacked by ideologues, zealots, and alphabet people who'd rather tank the entire genre and alienate every last fan than write something of quality. It's sad watching a beloved hobby or genre get taken over and gutted in this manner, let it be an example of what happens when you don't fight back against this shit

I'll stick to the classics, I'm sure there's something quality being produced out there but it sure as shit isn't getting the attention it deserves. Awards are too busy nominating random mtf/black #2473501138

Got recommended this book by a friend of mine. Is it any good?

>>19658827
Yes, it's a shame that the neo-nazi SFF of recent years hasn't gotten the attention it deserves.

>>19658788
but being a feminist, or at the very least being a man who shares feminism's views makes you a better writer. makes you understand women's specific struggle and viewpoints. that's why grrm writes the best female characters in fantasy and that's why tolkiens female characters suck ass.

>>19658841
Do you want to read a comfy and happy sitcom replete with modern sensibilities?

>>19658849
I hate women and I write them exactly how grrm does

>>19658825
It's ok .

>>19658858
post excerpt

>>19658849
nobody is more deluded about the nature of the eternal roastie than a feminist, especially a male feminist

>>19658518
>Did 41 members create a Goodreads account solely to join the /sffg/ GR group?
...I feel called out on

>>19656931
it was pretty funny watching them attack and eviscerate him for mispronouncing a few names and the world FIYAH(fucking ebonics). You'd think he goose stepped all the way to the gates of neo-auschwitz the amount of vitriol generated. FFS that whole seethe essay got nominated by the 2021 hugos. Pic related, it's the histrionic author who got its panties in a wad over first world leftoid socjus problems

archive.is/jl3oc

Unfortunately this probably won't actually result in any sort of reflection or repudiation of these elements on GRRM's part, iirc his response was to meekly apologize and claim he dindu nuffin purposely

>>19658321
I hate this guy for making the best Fantasy Book I've ever read, dropping two uninspired sequels then dipping.

>>19658873
It's not meant as a call out, it's just something I found interesting that anons would care enough to to do so. If it isn't clear, I'm the founder of the group so I certainly appreciate those who do so.

>>19658870
i'm a real non trans woman myself and i can tell you than feminist men write far better chacters than incels

>>19656013
Has anyone here read Battlefield Earth?

>>19658898
You know the rules, honey

>>19658827
I think the problem is you're only half-correct. They've pushed out old fans and actually replaced them with people who will read anything as long as its new and they agree with the author. Even worse, they actually buy books because it's a consumer thing and part of their identity.

>>19658756
It is fine if you don't read any chink novel ever but you should make an exception and read this one

>>19658937
>that lass in the middle
you just know

>>19658959
That you can't distinguish between reality and your fantasies? Yeah, I just know that.

>>19658890
I know, I was just joking. Thanks for all of this work!

A book where an actual Black Cock is mentioned?

only one I know is Atomized or Elementary Particles but it's not Fantasy/Sci-Fi.

>>19656164
Project Hail Mary is actually good and worth reading. Better than The Martian.

>>19658898
>i'm a real non trans woman myself and i can tell you than incels write far better chacters than incels
???

>>19658874
>that whole seethe essay got nominated by the 2021 hugos
Jesus H Christ, the nuHugos are a fucking joke

>>19658937
>unsolicited opinions on Book of the New Sun
>muh sojiny!

>>19659148
All literary awards are jokes these days. What are you gonna choose from? Horrendous modern releases or sequels to 10+ year old series?

>>19659149
I just get the impression some people read to affirm their own beliefs and opinions, and as long as the game sticks to those it's GUD to them. To met that shit never mattered and it's not something that will put me off from reading a book. Just because I read some Gor doesn't mean I want to enslave women, you know.

>>19658518
Some Commentary On The Most Read 2021 SFF Books

Project Hail Mary - It was the only 2021 SFF they read for most of them.
Cradle - Shouldn't be a surprise for those who read the threads
Wisdom of Crowds - It was a /sffg/ group read, but it still would've placed anyway.
Fugitive Telemetry - Its placement is mildly surprising, but not that it's on the list.
Blacktongue Thief - This was somewhat surprising for me, but then I looked in the archive and I suppose it shouldn't really have been.
Inhibitor Phase - This was also a /sffg/ group read and without that it wouldn't be on this list.
Klara and the Sun - Ishiguro is relatively popular, so not a surprise.
Defiance of the Fall: A LitRPG Adventure - I'd say this came out of nowhere, but there's a number of members in the group who primarily seem to read self-published works and webfiction. It may be the same ones who post in the thread about it. There's a couple others that almost made it onto this because of them. It just goes to show how easily a few can get something on here.

Leviathan Falls (The Expanse #9) Corey, James S.A. 4 - Just barely didn't make it, but that's to be expected since it only was released ~30 days ago. Maybe it'll be on the top list if I do this again at the end of 2022.
Breach of Peace (Lawful Times, #1) Greene, Daniel B. 4 - People post about how they watch him and I don't understand. I guess having that built-in audience was helpful.
The Shadow of the Gods (The Bloodsworn Saga, #1) Gwynne, John 3 - Despite some posting about it, it seems it wasn't enough to have the those in the group read it.

>>19658518
>Did 41 members create a Goodreads account solely to join the /sffg/ GR group?
Nice.

>>19658518
Lol. Stats fag would love to get a hold of my account.

>new SF/Fantasy

You could fill a lifetime reading the greats of the past, why bother with the slop being pushed out by now?

>>19659278
Do you want a serious answer to that?

>>19657386
I didn't like it and I think I never finished it.

>>19659273
Not really.

i'm doing it boys. i'm gonna read a book.

>>19658898
have you read any tolkien, bakker, or wolfe? curious to hear your thoughts about the way they write women characters
>t. moderately feminist (read: not blue haired, not tumblr, not pro-trans) real woman

>>19659299
I review every book.
I read more than 150 books a year.
I read more than 2k books.
I rarely give books 4 or 5 stars.
I read over 300 books this year (was home a lot, so didn't have to juggle work and books, think I will go back to ~150 next year)

I know you just got a stiffy, stats fag. You would love to dissect my read list.

>>19659382
You're trying too hard.

>>19659382
So your stats correspond with Yev's. However, he doesnt seem to be such a faggot.

>>19658035
Damn, Goodreads is a clusterfuck to navigate and I say that as someone who grew up with late 90s internet.

>>19658518
Is Inhibitor Phase good? I loved Chasm City and the Prefect, Revelation Space was good but I wasn't as impressed with those, but Pushing Ice was kind of a drag. Too similar I think. I heard he has a book outside the Revelation Space universe that is like steampunk too?

Also, lol that the list is topped by Sandersoi and Lit RPGs. Where is the Wolfe and Bakker?

>>19659602
>Where is the Wolfe and Bakker?
It's only for books published in 2020 for one list and 2020 in the other. It's not in general.

Opinions vary on Inhibitor Phase. It's more of Revelation Space so think of that what you will.

Has anyone read the Eternal Champion by Michael Moorcock? Allegedly it serves as one of the inspirations for Elden Ring, so I was curious if anyone had any opinions about it

>>19659726
No, but it was often brought up in /snk/ threads as one of the inspirations for Eren.

Real Women! in a book? NOT IN MY WATCH!

ONLY DICK GIRL!

>>19659602
Never read it however I would avoid his newer books if I were you, Reynolds went full kangs in space mode some time ago and frankly he never was good a writer anyway

>>19659726
no but I've been meaning to. I love Conan and Kane and sword-and-sorcery-based heavy metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNqxcRQGH4

Genrefic bros, I just finished this. It made me laugh a couple of times but I can't help feeling it wasn't as good as the first 2-3. Worth continuing?

>>19658518
>just barely missed out on 2 points
how will I ever recover

>>19659943
You won't ever be able to recover because there wasn't ever any harm.

>>19659379
Not her but my favorite book is BotNS, I've read it fully over 9 times, I've read all 7 books of the Second Apocalypse and reread parts of them many times, I've read all that means Middle Earth from Tolkien and honestly I only hate the way Bakker writes women, I fucking hate it. Doesn't take away from the value of Second Apocalypse since it's a beautiful work and some of the best parts in literature I've read from him. Still, all the women he writes are dirty fucking whores, there's nothing half as wholesome as Inrau in all the 7 books. Don't tell me he couldn't have made Mimara anything other than a prostitute who had sex with Achamian the first night they spend together. Come on.
As for BotNS, I have no issue because I recognize the writer as being Severian, and simply put Severian is kind of a simpleton. I respect Gene Wolfe very much for creating such a compelling character. I like Severian very much and I recognize why he says the thing he says about the women he encounters.
As for Tolkien, I actually don't have any issues with Tolkien at all and LotR is among my top 5 favorite books/series of all time. I think he is solid, and anyone who says "well there aren't enough stronk women in his books" is legit a braindead turd. Simple as.

>>19660014
my new years resolution, believe it or not, is to read Tolkein. I've unironically read Bakker and Wolfe but never Tolkein. I tried many years ago when I was younger and it was just too much - too much text, too many descriptions, etc etc. I am excited this time around

>>19658827
"I refuse to read any book written by men."

>>19658827
"I refuse to read any books written by men."

>>19660035
Tolkien is dry, meandering and ultimately boring, but if you could get through Bakker I think you could do it.

>>19660035
Tolkien is great. I wish I could read him for the first time again

>>19660042
I loved Bakker to be honest, though even having not read Tolkien I could tell he was leaning hard on Tolkein (plus his all-but-dissertation degree in philosophy, and Dune, and the Crusades, etc etc). Book one of his second series was a HUGE slog though, holy shit.

>>19660035
For me, it was all about that feeling of childhood in the countryside (maybe this doesn't work for americans). Tolkien will always bring back memories of childhood summers, and comfy winters. It's just so good, but I realize that reading Tolkien now as jaded and bitter as I am, it probably won't have the same effect.

For example I used to love Christmas, and nowadays it feels like a tiresome period where everyone larps. Even the weather agrees because it hasn't snowed for Christmas in years, it's all rain and mud and gray muck. It's not even cold outside, it feels like an annoying autumn without the comfy colors.

>>19660068
I totally get you and I feel the same way about Christmas by the way. and I was raised in a very rural area as a child and now that I'm older I aspire to get back to that. I'm 30

>>19658841
It's sci-fi for normie women.

>>19659382
>You would love to dissect my read list.
Post it. We'll be the judge of that

>>19659148
yeah it's almost as if legions of sex-mad media studies grads took one look at the award and thought "man, that's one fantastic looking buttplug i wonder how it will feel when i"

>>19660112
imbecile
>>19660066
profusely inane
>>19660041
evidently
>>19659896
no one cares
>>19659758
cretin

>>19660152
oh, fuck off into the sun, why don't you, Natalie

>>19660163
mentally retarded concept

Any books with romance subplots I can read about on new years to soothe my soul?

>>19660188
Curse of Chalion is pretty nice. I also like the Shias Engin chapter from Use of Weapons, it reminds me of the time I fell madly in love...

>>19660188
profusely inane

>>19656013
Finished "To Be Taught, If Fortunate" by Becky Chambers. It's an okay story; an interesting vision of Pre-FTL/Warp space travel with four scientists who explore four planets. I'm pleased it was 135 pages long with large print, any longer and it'd have outstayed its welcome.

>>19660208
no one cares

>>19660225
I actually wouldn't recommend it.

also No u.

Best standalone fantasy books? Must be pre 1999.

>No. Name Author Votes
>1 Good Omens Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman 45
>2 Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell Susannah Clarke 41
>3 American Gods Neil Gaiman 39
>4 The Goblin Emperor Katherine Addison 38
>4 Uprooted Naomi Novik 38
>6 The Lions of Al-Rassan Guy Gavriel Kay 37
>7 Tigana Guy Gavriel Kay 36
>8 The Hobbit J.R.R. Tolkien 34
>9 Warbreaker Brandon Sanderson 24
>10 The Heroes Joe Abercrombie 20

this is plebbit's list, not necessarily pre 1999

>>19660228
sickening autism

>>19660273
mentally retarded list

>>19660273
Clearly that list doesn't understand what standalone means.

>>19659207
I dropped defiance a ways in, but there’s very little tolerable self published western web novels so I guess you have to accept what’s there

>>19660277
>>19660309
>The 2017 r/Fantasy Favorite Standalones Poll Results!

suggestions, anons?

>>19660274
Welcome to 4Chan, anon.

>>19660035
Hope you like it. I found it kind of underwhelming. Very well developed world. Decent prose, but it could have used editing and is dry at times, meandering at others. Characters are very flat. Rereading after the movies was actually better because the movies blew up any traces of individual personality characters had and give you something to project into the text to make them less interchangeable. Obviously it is super influential, and it has high points, but I didn't love it.


>>19659379
Not her, and not a woman, but complaints about Bakker's female characters are merited. None of them are super bad on their own, except for maybe Esmenet fucking dudes randomly at times, but as a whole it's every named female character (except for the part Dunyain robots) being a sex slave or whore, except the one mother of the Emperor who is also a turbo whore.

Bakker is still the shit though.

And then all the Non-Men women are dead so you don't get to see females with any sort of learning and power, and then the women who might be cool turn out to be breeding sows in cages. There are female sorcerers in the second series but none are introduced as characters. Then there is one other named female character and she's an avatar for a fertility goddess who is also a turbo whore.

>>19660273
>>19660325
Small Gods
The Prestige

>>19660337
tremendously sickening 4channer autism

uhhh Letobros you never told me that the Sci Fi mini series ain't that bad..

>Bakker based The Second Apocalypse on a DND game he GMd for several years.
>ywn get to play weekly sessions with Bakker

>>19660369
the mini series is somewhat scuffed but it gives it soul

>>19660396
man it is PEAK soul

>>19660369
The mini series is autistic as fuck, I love it

>>19660410
no one asked
>>19660371
mentally retarded imbecile

>>19660369
>>19660410
It looks even worse than I remember it

What's some Byzantinecore?

Alia is a fuckin babe. the pretty ones are always the craziest am I right bros?

>>19660636
Sarantium is literally fantasy Byzantium, and an alright read!

>>19660035
You lucky fellow. You’re in for a massive treat. Start with LotR, then read the Silmarillion (the latter was a big influence on Bakker). I consider the Hobbit to be optional reading unlike the previous mentions. Unfinished Tales is also spectacular.

Whats the quintessential grimdark?

>>19656931
>Given how close to being cancelled into a grave Gurm came during last year's Worldcon drama, there's no way you are seeing a new ASoIaF book.
Elaborate for an ignorant anon..? What drama?

>>19660682
thanks friend. sad to say but I had a hard time reading The Hobbit. not that the prose/text was difficult but I just couldn't get into it. my grandmother bought me Children of Hurin on release years ago (she was a HUGE Tolkein fan), and when she passed she gave me all of her Tolkein stuff (The Hobbit illustrated, a LOTR collectors edition volume, and a copy of the Silmarillion). out of curiosity why do you consider The Hobbit to be optional?

>>19656013
has anyone here read death's head? I read it back in middle school and i've been trying to find something like it ever since.

>>19660710
Nothing.

>>19660710
https://www.pretty-terrible.com/george-r-r-martin-2020-hugo-awards/

>>19660794
So, nothing. God, why are you such a colossal faggot.

>>19660794
Senility is pretty based, I gotta say.

>>19660731
your grandma sounds unbelievably based.

>>19660794
So an SJW with an undercut was upset about le white male bad? Color me shocked. In other news, water is wet.

>>19660962
she was, God rest her soul. taught piano for a living, read classic lit and Tolkein, listened to a lot of Satie and hated Philip Glass with an absolute passion for some reason

Can I read Armor if I've read Starship Troopers but not The Forever War?

>>19660962
trivial fool
>>19660804
monumental poopoo head
>>19660934
palpably absurd
>>19661035
cretinous inquiry
>>19660771
curt scallywag
>>19660975
behold an ignoramus
>>19660794
gormless drivel

>>19661074
>i am…. LE TROLL!!!!
imagine spending all day trying to raise /sffg/'s hackles with your gay negposting. as if we haven’t endured a year of autistic pro and anti bakker spamming, chinkshit spamming, moogy shit, etc. etc.

you are like litull babby.

>>19661107
trivial scallywag

>>19661136
You must have a sad and pathetic life if this is what you do.

>19661136
running out of vocab fast, eh?

>>19661142
evidently not

>>19660975
As the other anon noted already, that inane rant about how Martin should be launched into the sun because he mispronounced some names actually got nominated for a Hugo award itself one year later. Really tells you all you need to know about the current state of these awards.

>>19661152
evidently not

>>19661189
So nothing happened and you're just being a fag.

>>19661180
>>19661190
Get a life.

>>19661074
moronic nincompoop

>>19661210
ludicrous dumbass
>>19661204
mentally retarded assertion

>>19661216
inconsequential incelic retard

>>19661196
You are free to ignore all the horseshit that comes out of the modern Hugos, but it's not nothing. At least not to people who may have had any attachment left for that community.

let a real chad show you how it's done
>19661074
lollygagging laybout
>19661136
peevish clod
>19661216
slack-jawed churl
>19660152
maladroit lummox

cope, seethe, dilate, kys, git out.

>>19661240
> let a real chad show you how it's done
> Fucks up all replies
Based

>>19661238
It's literally nothing. Stop being a fucking fag.

>he can't into (You) denial
ngmi

>>19661238
>t. purple haired sjw

>>19661236
utterly boring autistic imbecile

>>19661248
No it isn't. Stop misusing the term "literally" for emphasis, faggot.

>>19661240
evidently
>>19661243
evidently
>>19661251
it lacks a certain quality

>>19661266
>Literal who whines and bitch
>Oh no, it's the end of Martin
Stop being such a faggot. It's nothing.

>hairless apes flinging digital shit at each other
so this is the power of human "consciousness"...

>>19661284
evidently

>>19661278
Nobody sad it's the end of Martin. The fattie will be fine. It's just another low point for the Hugos that this literal who bitch would be validated instead of getting laughed out of the room. Believe it or not, some people used to think the Hugos have value for pointing you in the direction of new quality works.

>>19661301
Whatever you say, it’s nothing and you should stop being a fag.

>>19661301
wait, that sjw blogpost actually got nommed for a hugo this year? proof?

>>19661323
http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2021-hugo-awards/
ctrl+f martin
it's under best related work

>>19661340
it surmises brilliantly

>>19661323
its rather prolix and highly fallacious

>>19661340
okay, so it got nommed by users for the blogpost category, which it didn't win.
>l i t e r a l l y
>n o t h i ng
sjw shit is done. the blm movement died on 11/9/2020, just as scheduled. i think that readers in general are getting really sick of tumblr sjwshit and i look forward to seeing some more interesting and daring work come out in the next few years. like the no god. and my own work.

>>19660746
>Read synopsis
>Sounds gay as fuck

>>19660687
Beserk, Bakker if you want a novel.

>>19661579
After Bakker and Berserk, the genre grimdark feels complete. Those two works are as grim and dark as grim and dark can be, and really can't be outdone.

/tg/ talks a lot about nobledark, but that to me is just Tolkien basically. What about grimbright? What would that mean?

>>19661630
What even is Nobledark and Grimbright?
One way to analize it could be ny splitting Grimdark into aesthetics and themes, such as:
> Grim - Themes: Hopelesness, born to die, world is a fuck, etc
> Dark - Aesthetics: Dark, dirty, ugly, etc.

By this logic, Nobledark would be a story set in a dark world but with a strong sense of hope and of things getting better. On the opposite end, Grimbright would be a wolrd where everything looks fine, but there is little hope or sense of being.

>>19661640
Yes, we can also use google.

>>19661657
You do know that genres don't mean shit and we can talk about them however we wish, right?

>>19661657
> Using google as a reference for meme genres

>>19661340
>http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2021-hugo-awards/
So, nothing.

>>19661340
>>19661343
>GRRM can fuck off into the sun
I don't get it

>>19658977
White girls fuck dogs. It is known.

>>19661704
You should touch grass and get off the internet.

>>19661726
Seethe and cope Becky, delicious brown always wins.

>>19661035
Sure. They have similar themes but are pretty independent.

Any fantasy books about girls getting fucked by dogs you can recommend?

>>19657988
On the one hand he wrote some pretty fun books. On the other, he's clearly afraid of what people would think if he finished asoiaf but still talks shit like he's better than JK Rowling.

>>19661791
Why do we always have fags like you shitting up the general?

why are americans raiding this general?

>>19661843
Just answer the question.

>>19661869
Are you being retarded on purpose?

What's everyone think of the Dark tower series? I just finished them a few weeks ago, really enjoyed them. Thought the ending was great.

>>19661902
here's your (you)

>>19661902
King has only once stuck the landing for any of his books and that was for The Dead Zone. I later learned that it's also the one novel he's written where he didn't go with his normal approach of taking an interesting premise and just see where it leads him, but which he planned out from beginning to end.

>>19661902
First books are great than it goes to shit like every King's work

>>19660804
>God, why are you such a colossal faggot
Kill yourself, and you can ask him in person.

>>19662488
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure anon is headed down to black people heaven after that display of sacrilege

>>19661858
Americans OWN this general. We're just graciously letting you yuropoors visit out of compassion so you may behold the splendor of American writing. Don't overstay your welcome.

>>19662514
>splendor of American writing
Yeah, first of all, it's spelled "splendour". Secondly, the fact that American culture is centred on niggers is the reason why no book with any merit has received an award in the last decade.

>>19661630
How can you talk about grimdark and not mention Elric of Melnibonè?

>>19662526
>go to England on vacation with some friends
>we have to meet at the hotel at 9pm
>it starts to get dark out
>go to check my watch
>I forgot it
>Decide to go ask someone
>find someone to ask
>ARE YOU WIMBLY FOURS MATE!? IM CRIMBO NINAN SAX APPLE SMIBBLY DIN BIBBLY CHAP
>have no idea what he just said, ask him to repeat it
>YOU WOT M8?
>he starts to laugh maniacally
>Big Ben rings out
>everyone stops in the fucking street
>a carriage with the initials HRH rides down the street
>the fucking queen herself sticks her head out
>OI YOU GITS DID YE HEAR THAT!? IT BE 6 BONG
>driver pokes his head out
>6 BONGERS?
>another man leaps out of the sewer
>6 FECKING BONG?
>people start pouring out in the street
>YA WANKERS IT BE CRIMBO SIX-A-BONG-
>store clerks and chimney sweeps chanting SIX A-BONG SIX A-BONG
>we try to get away, the filth is choking me
>SIX A-BONG, SIX A-BONG, OLLY JOLLY ITS SIX-A-BONG!
>the lyrics drown everything out, can't avoid the dancers
>BANG UP THE KNACKERS AND SMACK YER MUM-
>OLL IN THE STREETS ITS SIX A-BONG!
>fish and chips being thrown into the air en masse at this point
>our fucking faces

how good or bad is the Broken Earth series? it's a trilogy where all 3 books won the hugo award, published in 3 consecutive years, holy shit

i've skimmed the wikipedia page and it looks like a clusterfuck of a lot of things but nothing that seems specially interesting

>>19662675
The series is garbage and it didn't win any awards for its nonexistent merit, but you already knew that.

>>19662599
Not really grimdark. I’d describe it more as dark sword and sorcery. The emphasis is much more about adventure rather than a horrible and hopeless world.

>>19662747
i wanted to hear opinions from people who read the books, didn't want to start drama. 3 years in a row it must have some literary merit

>>19662789
>3 years in a row it must have some literary merit
Perhaps in a good and just world

>>19660746
Yeah I loved those novels. Shame the series seems to be dead. Can't help you with anything similar either.

>>19662789
Jemisin was awarded her Hugos for no other reason than to spite the sad puppies after their attempted revolt the previous year. A pure display of power by the feminist establishment to show them who's boss. Literary merit doesn't matter anymore, the Hugos are solely given to those who preach the "correct" opinions in their work and outside of it. It's partisan politics all the way down.

>>19662870
Meds.

>>19663086
I’d say he sounds pretty sane and reality pilled, anon.

>>19663099
>HUGO AWARDS ARE BEING CONTROLLED BY SJW FEMINISTS REEE

>>19663101
Anon, do you live under a rock? are you not aware of the cultural zeitgeist that has risen to dominance in the last few years? Or are you just trolling pathetically on the last day of 2021?

>>19663109
It's just a subhuman automatically performing "well emperor ackshully has clothes" display of compliance, pay no mind.

>>19663109
it's either a disgusting troon or a troll, both subhumans, so ignore that.

Faggots, trannys, jews, niggers, non whites, sjws are are subhuman. I'm glad we cleared this up.

ok but i just want to hear opinions about the fucking books themselves, anyone here read them?

>>19663162
Books written by fags, trannys, blacks, jews, and non whites have an agenda in opposition to white race. There is nothing to discuss, they are degenerate garbage.

>>19661630
Grimbright would be Brave New World.

>>19663162
ask on reddit, i skimmed the data analysis of /r/fantasies best books of all time, and there is a large group of Broken Earth superfans there. This fangroup is however statistically very unique, as they only read books written by blacks or women (which makes sense as the author is mostly known for being a black woman) while the readers here actively avoid blacks and women.
So its race magix all the way

>>19663157
>Faggots, trannys, jews, niggers, non whites, sjws are are subhuman. I'm glad we cleared this up.
jannie, why did you delete that post? he was right and he didnt even mention jannies in the subhuman group. Are you a tranny janny?

>>19663220
>while the readers here actively avoid blacks and women.
Not true, Butler and Delany are both excellent. I just don’t like Jemisen’s stuff because her prose sucks and her worldbuilding is lame.

>>19663162
Your desire to learn about these books was derived from a faulty premise; namely that they would be worth looking into since they were bestowed so many Hugos. Now that we have cleared up this misconception there is no more reason for you to pay them any mind. You are free to divert your attention back towards looking for actual hidden gems such as The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19663220
>black woman
Yikes. Can't think of a bigger red flag for SF&F.

>>19663162
I am curious too. But my cousin wants me to read Sanderson so I will give that a try first.

You get the opposite problem here, where people reeee if a book has too many minorites or a minority author.

Actually, I don't know how much truth there is to "women dominate publishing, even in sci-fi/fantasy," because I rarely look into the authors of genre fiction I read, since I pick it by plot and reviews and the to listen to more of it and save more complex literature for reading.

I thought Afterparty was written by a woman because the female reader and MC, but it's a white dude. Girl With All The Gifts (great zombie story) had female leads and the author's other book also had a black MC, but turns out it's a Bong dude who wrote them (Book if Koli, his trilogy was meh, dropped it). He goes by his initials so I thought it was a woman. Looking back at recent reads, I think it is all white dudes. Red Shirts, The Dreaming Void, Revelation Space (really excellent), Old Man's War, The Bobiverse (goofy and not complex but a comfy time waster for doing chores and not caring if you miss parts), Neal Stephenson I have a few, Lucifer's Hammer, A Canticle for Lebowitz, all the Bakker books (read these too, top tier), all the Red Rising ( silly premise but fun), GRRM, William Gibson, Dune, Hyperion and Ilium, The Black Company, Vurt (great but bad for audio, had to switch, same for Wolfe). I have a lot of fantasy I picked up, of varying qualities, that I selected off of shitty list sites and random reviews and I think it's 100% white dudes so I don't see the complaints in reality.

Only female genre fiction I appear to have is the Hunger Games, which I got for taking my teen nephew on a road trip camping, and A Discovery of Witches, which I thought my wife would like. I think the only non-White author is the Three Body Problem, although I have Ishiguro, Maurakami, and Atwood in print. Those are good enough though that they normally aren't considered genre fiction though.

I get a bunch of those are old, but plenty are from the 2000s and on.

>>19663354
you have to go back

>>19663354
i mostly go for popular things that look interesting but are a bit old, because being old kinda proves it is legit good since it has been remembered over whatever else was popular at the time. and there are so many good books that fit that category that i won't run out anytime soon and i can just wait 10 years or whatever to read what's coming out now and it will be easier to filter.

but i'm very interested in this broken earth thing because it would really be an amazing feat if someone manages to write 3 books, one fucking book per year and that they all are consistently very good and prize winner it. i'd like to see some stats about how long did the top100 /sffg/ took to be written for example, to compare

anyway will read the first one of the series at least and report back, maybe next week

Who the fuck sent these ledditor newfags here? We don’t take kindly to the likes of (You) round these parts.

>>19663354
is this a new pasta? It's hilarious, really.

>Science Fiction
based
>And Fantasy
cringe

>>19663354
>I don't know how much truth there is to "women dominate publishing, even in sci-fi/fantasy"
They clearly dominate the business side of things at every level of seniority. At this point the only professions with a more slanted sex ratio in favor of women would probably have to be kindergarten teachers, nail salon operators and prostitutes. I believe the sex ratio of published authors is closer to parity, but not that far behind. Turns out feminist women do exactly what they accused men of doing (in reverse): They largely favor other women and give them more and better opportunities over men. It will only become more lopsided as time goes on. This year's Hugos were already a pure fish market as it were.

>>19661995
I haven't read many of Kings books, I picked up the DT because I finished the Witcher series and wanted another set of books to read, and I read Gunslinger in highschool. I thought they were pretty good, good enough to read all 5k pages or whatever it ends up too.
>>19662209
The last two got a little crazy I do agree. And final showdown with the main villains were anti climatic to say the least. But the Coda ending I thought was perfect.

>>19663513
Another hobby to be destroyed by both women and leftism, not that the two are often separate. Luckily I got into the game rather late so I have an absolute boatload of shit to read far before we switched to the hell world timeline.

Still, it’s fucking depressing. If writing isn’t dead in the near future, it’ll be so bland, inoffensive and unoriginal that it may as well be. Probably already is really.

>>19663513
>23% Cis man
>95% of the best Fantasy of all time is written by men
This is the reason why I no longer buy books by women, unless I have a direct recommendation from somewhere that they are good. Affirmative Action means the shelves are stocked with ungodly trash.
On the plus side I just picked up Malice by than Gynn guy because it was the only fantasy book on the shelve written by a man.

I was checking whether I should finally read Ender's game and the first few reviews on GR literally screech about Card being homophobic and misogynist and give it 1 star cause of that.
So that was the easiest decision to read it ever.
I'm in like 20% and so far there was only the mention that women are physically weaker. Big wow. This is what triggers the leftist faggots.

>>19663714
These "people" are on a constant lookout for things to be offended by. Whether you start sieg heiling and screaming how localhost never happened but it should have, or just make something that could be interpreted as one small slip in your otherwise 100% compliant work, result will be the same for all intents and purposes. It is impossible to please narcissist who intends to be displeased with you one way or another, and you shouldn't even try, if anything narcissists should be the only group of humanity (?) subject for actual eugenic culling.

>>19663746
>>19663714
I hope that one day your life doesn't revolve around identity politics. Yes, theirs does as well, and I wish it didn't either.

>>19663760
Ok, honestly tell me how I can avoid it if that's all I read everywhere? Most of my hobbies is infested for no good reason.

>>19663760
you have to go back

>>19663746
This is most people who are "political." Politics is supplanting religion in the US. We had remarkably high church attendance for decades and now it is plunging, and people who say they are non-religious is surging. Evangelicals are happy to point out that their ranks still grew, but the problem there is that the number of Evangelicals who actually go to church plunged. It became a political label. Nothing shows this more than a huge jump is conservative Muslims self identifying as Evangelical.

Social clubs are dead too. Lions and Rotary members are all 80+. Likewise, military service from a draft is now a distant memory.

Nothing binds people. They have lost a sense of identity. So they need politics to be a Manichean struggle of good versus evil to give them a cause.

This is hardly just on the left. The lack of self-awareness is mind boggling. Tucker is literally just "here is what to be angry about today! Remember, be angry! You are oppressed and good, fighting the evil and wicked." /pol/ is fucking Tumblr tier, just people trying to find shit to be upset about. When they can't find it, they make shit up. Hence Pizzagate starting from an actual fake news story saying Hillary had been arrested by the FBI for running a child sex ring out of her home. Then it morphs into, "an entire political party running half the country is pretty much all serial child rapists. Not even that, they don't just fuck kids, they sacrifice them to Moloch and eat them."

Fucking wild.

>>19663776
You can't, but your resentment only hurts yourself, unless you choose to hurt others, which is often self-destructive as well.

>>19663777
Go back to where? Where shall I go where there isn't identity politics?

>>19663806
I stopped going to /pol/ because some time ago it used to be the place where you could get some obscure or verboten knowledge shared with you, now it's just either mindless tards who can only process information in simplest arbitrary templates rooting for their "team", or actual unironic homosexuals attracted to aesthetic and message of authoritarian ideologies.

>>19656038
These books are decent, but nothing special IMo. They're the very definition of readable but not outstanding.

>>19663806
Do you think there is anything at all about society it is reasonable to complain about? Or is any complaint just looking to be angry

>>19663816
I know my political stances won't change but I admit that if I could learn to stop wasting time on it, it would be great.
Will reading Meditations from Marcus Aurelius help me? I got it downloaded but I have really no idea if stoicism is just a meme.

>>19663816
>but your resentment only hurts yourself
don't you see maaaaan. hate is like a poison maaaaan. just feel the peace maaan like woaaaaah.

crawl back to whichever sludge pit you slid out of. you are a failure.

>>19663836
There are plenty of solid complaints about society, and the right and left have plenty. The problem is arguments lacking any sort of nuance or comprehension of scope, as well as people just making up their own facts entirely.

>>19663838
Personally I'm not an advocate of that reading will solve all your problems. To me it sounds like you'd just be replacing one external belief structure for another.

>>19663854
>The problem is arguments lacking any sort of nuance or comprehension of scope, as well as people just making up their own facts entirely.
That is a problem indeed, but it isn't the fundamental one. You seem to believe in "mistake theory" where if everyone all the relevant and correct information they'd all come to the same decision.

>>19663885
I dont think that anon was implying anything of the sort. He was saying people use political stuff for religious purposes, which seems evidently true to me.

>>19663891
Yes, that's where it started and I agree with that. I didn't respond to that post for that reason. I'm only responding to the quoted part.

>>19663908
The quoted section is consistent with a view of people just naturally skewing reality for religious psychological purposes, though he didnt actually say one way or the other.

I mean take Pizzagate. Obviously there is something going on with elite pedophile rings, that's not imaginary, Epstein and so on. But they distort that into "the elites are satanist child sacrificers and the end times are coming, also everyone I dont like is implicated" or whatever.

>>19663925
Why do you care so much? How many more posts are you going to make about pizzagate?

>if only dumb people could be smart like me
no one cares. go away.

>>19663925
Yes, I agree that people naturally skew reality to benefit their own purposes. I'm saying that it doesn't functionally matter for most people. For most it's an aesthetic cover for the beliefs they already held. There are the unfortunates who take it to be literally true and act accordingly upon it, but that's a minority.

>>19663952
That was the first post I made about it, i only used it as an example because the other anon already did. As for why I care, why are we discussing any of this lol, why are you posting? Boredom, nothing better to do.

>>19663970
Not that anon, but...

>Why are you posting?
To get to 310.

>Boredom, nothing better to do.
Entirely wrong.

>>19663970
Stop with the off-topic bullshit.

>>19663982
Get a life.

>>19663983
Why do you type imperatives as if they're going to have any effect lol

>>19663991
Ah, but if I did that I wouldn't be any here longer.

>>19663999
Go to /pol/ for that bullshit.

>>19664007
Stop talking like a rag and get a life.

>>19664012
You first.

>>19663461
I find it rather sad. He’s wasting his life in stupid shit.

>>19664017
Pathetic.

New thread
>>19664025

>>19664009
>another command
You dont have any authority kek

All around me are familiar posts
Worn out generals, worn out anons
Bright and early for the daily thread
Going nowhere, going nowhere
Their words are filling up their posts
No expression, no expression
Hide my head, I wanna drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The threads in which I'm funposting
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When generals run in circles it's a very, very
Mad board, mad board
Anons waiting for the day they feel good
New thread, New thred
And I feel the way that every anon should
Lurk and read, Lurk and read
Went to be anon and I was very existing
No one knew me, no one knew me
Hello, anon! Tell me, what's my lesson?
Look right through me, look right through me
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The threads in which I'm funposting
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When generals run in circles it's a very, very
Mad board, mad board
Enlarging your board
Mad board

>>19658518
There's no way 14 people are 9 books deep into some meme series.

>>19664506
10 books, and yes. If you choose not to believe the evidence, then do not. No, that post isn't the evidence.

>>19663885
What possibly makes you think he thinks that? You're projecting hard, there is nothing in there about that.

>>19664556
I suppose we'll never know unless he answers himself.

>>19664037
I AM MASTER HERE! I AM THR ABSOLUTE!

>>19663162
why even ask on here? I'm sure you could find a dozen plebs ready to break down all the merits of the series and all the other race/identity garbage that the ideologues push and hand awards to. They're the types who will consoom anything nominated by the nu-awards, as authors like Wolfe are too triggering, misogynist, and white for their fragile worldviews to handle

Most posters here want quality or intrigue, they're not the types to be swayed by some makeup caked booktuber or whatever trash worldcon considers noteworthy in this day and age

>>19663274
the big problem is you can tell what the primary themes are when you encounter books written by black women. I can't think of a single black fiction author that writes about themes broader or deeper than race. For a people that bitch and whine about profiling they make sure to typecast themselves into a hole with the range of topics and themes they write about

>>19664506
Cradle is kino

>>19663746
>localhost never happened

>>19665244
>black people are hypocrites who have fetishized their own history of “oppression” to make up for the fact that they’re almost always mediocre if not subpar in everything they do except street violence
was this a revelation for you?