/lit/ - Literature

The Thousandfold Thought

First for malazanbros.

>>19644087
>curvature
dropped

>>19644110
it's fiction

>>19644095
Quickly, anon - cold iron or hot iron?

>>19642455
yeah that was a bit out of nowhere, i was dissappointed because up until then there was very little in the book to tell you it was made in the current year and so on. but it seems the author wanted to wait until most of the book had gone by to drop that kind of thing, like the story is basically over by the time you find out the MC is half-ghanan. i wonder if they purposefully copied leguin on that

So I just found out there is Foundation tv series. I have never read Foundation, only I, Robot. Should I bother? The TV show looks like typical nigger placement crap, though.

Also, Hyperion has been announced to have an adaption too. But I dont hold any real hopes for high quality.

>>19644304
>Also, Hyperion has been announced to have an adaption too.
When did that happen? Who's making it?

>>19644316
It looks like Bradley Cooper is involved but they still haven't mentioned if it's gonna be a TV show or a movie.

>>19644304
>Foundation tv series
I watched the first few episodes or so and it's pretty bad desu. The whole "violence is the last resort of the incompetence" is thrown straight out the window, the dialogue is gone, it's hard to really call it Foundation desu

>>19644327
>the dialogue is gone
Do I dare ask what is even left? Foundation is like 90% dialogue

>>19644329
They basically just made their own story that happens to feature some Foundation characters and names, that's it really. Honestly speaking, it's pretty unrecognizable as Asimov's Foundation

>>19644337
What a shame

Good series. Cool magic and written by someone who actually knows his ass from his elbow when it comes to a pseudo historical setting.

>>19644362
>knows
>pseudo historical setting

>>19644343
Not him.
They keep blackwash + womanoïdwash characters, even the insignificants ones.
At least the universe and special effects are cools, but it's a pain in the ass to follow a black, woman, magician Salvor Hardin.

>>19644544
Somehow I doubt Frankenstein was even the first mad scientist story, let alone the first science fiction story.
Women can have Star Trek though, that shit sucks.

>>19644544
Puissant bait.

>>19644544
Voltaire exists.

Reminder

>>19644634
on a semi-related note, is Journey to the West any good? apparently I hear it's one of the great East Asian classics...

>>19644641
It is a classic, it has it's value and is worth reading though you may not necessarily enjoy it

Recommend me something, literally anything, to read. (So long as it's good and you like it)

>>19644095
Is this the Karsa sequel?

>>19645009

Bros the Discworld Watch novels have been so kino so far (just finished The Fifth Elephant). Are the Witches novels also this good? I'm curious about the more magical aspects of the series

Holy FUCK God Emperor is based, much better than Children of Dune. To the Herbertbro in the last thread, just keep reading, it's worth it.

>takes over thr universe
>kills himself rather than becoming a single father
More like Paul Cha'dib

Alia didn't have to turn evil, if she wasn't dismissed as an abomination by everyone except Hara and Paul the Baron wouldn't be able to tempt her.

>>19645260
I'm still here. 20 pages in and I don't like where CoD is going. Everyone feels out of character. Why are they all at each other's throat? Why would Jessica go back to the sisterhood? Why is Stilgar a philosopher now? Is the whole book just family drama?

>author doesn’t even bother to name a character despite writing a chapter from their POV
>just calls them middle aged man A and middle aged man B

>>19645382
Some Japanese stories literally don't name any character and even after they become anime/manga they still don't have any names.

Do you chaps think that Bakker has already written the final word on his Second Apocalypse novels, or is there more to come?

>>19645446
Nominal placeholders work in other language but sound like retarded nicknames or some shitty band in english.

>>19645354
Irulan feels pretty in character

>>19644087
Respond to this post with your vote.

QUALIFYING NOMINATIONS:
Necroville - Ian McDonald (1994)
The Songs of Distant Earth - Arthur C. Clarke (1986)
Earth Abides - George R. Stewart (1949)
The Gods Themselves - Isaac Asimov (1972)
The King in Yellow - Robert W. Chambers (1895)

Necroville - Ian McDonald (1994)
/sffg/
Reviews: 0
Ratings: 0
To Read: 1
Synopsis: It's 2nd November 2063 - the Day of the Dead. In the 21st Century, nanotechnology has revolutionized the laws of birth and death. The resurrected dead account for almost one third of the human population, and the backbone of its workplace. They have their own culture and their own ghettos, the Necrovilles.
Opening Sentence: In the morning there was a dead man melted into the street wall of Santiago’s house.

The Songs of Distant Earth - Arthur C. Clarke (1986)
/sffg/
Reviews: 1
Ratings: 3
To Read: 4
Synopsis: Just a few islands in a planetwide ocean, Thalassa was a veritable paradise—home to one of the small colonies founded centuries before by robot Mother Ships when the Sun had gone nova and mankind had fled Earth...the colonists lived an idyllic existence...Then the Magellan arrived in orbit carrying one million refugees
Opening Sentence: Even before the boat came through the reef, Mirissa could tell that Brant was angry.

Earth Abides - George R. Stewart (1949)
/sffg/
Reviews: 2
Ratings: 10
To Read: 15
Synopsis: A disease of unparalleled destructive force has sprung up almost simultaneously in every corner of the globe, all but destroying the human race. One survivor, strangely immune to the effects of the epidemic, ventures forward to experience a world without man. What he ultimately discovers will prove far more astonishing than anything he'd either dreaded or hoped for.
Opening Sentence: ...and the government of the United States of America is herewith suspended, except in the District of Columbia, as of the emergency.

The Gods Themselves - Isaac Asimov (1972)
/sffg/
Reviews: 3
Ratings: 16
To Read: 15
Synopsis: In the twenty-second century Earth obtains limitless, free energy from a source science little understands: an exchange between Earth and a parallel universe, using a process devised by the aliens. But even free energy has a price. The transference process itself will eventually lead to the destruction of the Earth's Sun--and of Earth itself.
Opening: "No good!" said Lamont, sharply.

The King in Yellow - Robert W. Chambers (1895)
/sffg/
Reviews: 7
Ratings: 14
To-Read: 24
Synopsis: The King in Yellow is a collection of ten inter-related stories that explore the despair and madness that affect characters that come into contact with the forbidden play, The King in Yellow.

DISQUALIFIED BOOKS
6 were nominated, 1 was disqualified to reduce it to 5.

Piranesi - Susanna Clarke (2020)
Reviews: 5
Ratings: 16
To Read: 34
Synopsis: Piranesi's house is no ordinary building: its rooms are infinite, its corridors endless, its walls are lined with thousands upon thousands of statues, each one different from all the others. Within the labyrinth of halls an ocean is imprisoned; waves thunder up staircases, rooms are flooded in an instant. But Piranesi is not afraid; he understands the tides as he understands the pattern of the labyrinth itself. He lives to explore the house.
Opening Sentence: When the Moon rose in the Third Northern Hall I went to the Ninth Vestibule to witness the joining of three Tides. This is something that happens only once every eight years.
Reason: Excess nomination, but that's irrelevant by comparison to the high number of people who want to read it, its awards and nominations, the high average rating given to it by /sffg/, the quality /sffg/ reviews already available, and the marginal or negative value my opinion would contribute, it seems reasonable to conclude that if you think you'd like it, you probably will.

There was an important disqualification criterion I forgot to add, which was that it couldn't be a book that had been previously chosen as something /sffg/ related, and provided the relevant list, but oh well, it's fine for now. If there's a next time, it'll be more properly towards the intended end goal. It was interesting to see how much overlap there was between books. I thought maybe I could tell which member nominated each qualifying book and I'm reasonably confident I know who nominated each book and for what reason. Of course, I could've entirely misled myself though.

>>19645354
>why would Jessica go back to the sisterhood
What's her other option?
>why is Stilgar a philosopher?
If you had nothing to do other than babysit kids who are smarter than you could ever hope to be you'd have a lot of time to think about philosophy

>>19645354
The answer is that Children is shit.

>>19645585
It's better thsn Dune Messiah

>>19645595
They're both shit and so is GE.

>>19645499
Bakker left us to go obtain the Absolute. Us waiting for the No God is literally just us becoming Proyas after Chadkker raped and condemned us.

Has anyone heard from Bakkr since this pic in 2017?

>>19645558
>What's her other option?
What do you mean? She's a mother of god and matriarch of the imperial family. Why would she need some disgraced sisterhood of witches?

>>19645694
Because that's the closest thing she has to a family since she's disgusted with Alia for being preborn and everyone else worships her

>>19645009
I am actually just going for the 2nd read because I wanna finally read Endymion as well.

>>19645741
I felt like both of the Endymion books were definitely not as good as the first two

>>19645741
>because I wanna finally read Endymion as well.
Trust me you don't want that. It's so bad it retroactively makes first two books worse, I wish I was joking or exaggerating. Seriously how do you even come from Hyperion to cookie cuter plot about self-insert cardboard protag chasing after his mary sue anime waifu, it's like one of those was written by ghost writer, question is which one.

>>19645749
>>19645759
Damn, I think these are the opinions that once already convinced me against doing it. Now I may end up the same way.
But guys, I remember rating Hyperion as probably my most favorite SF. If I enjoyed it that much, then Endymion has to still be at least decent, right?

>>19645771
Hyperion is good but the Endymion books are pretty bad. Our protagonists essentially are a man who more or less ends up grooming a child and is still 10 years older than her when they get together after some time dilation shenanigans and don't really do anything interesting. The girl for all intents and purposes is basically a Mary Sue from what I remember but there is a very interesting plot line regarding Father Captain de Soya and the Church, he's a great character and it's a shame he's not the main character really

>>19645708
Why would she be disgusted with Alia being preborn? She seemed fine with her in Dune. When Hera brought the subject up Jessica didn't think of Alia as abomination or a monster. Now she's disgusted with her? When it was her fault to begin with that she is a preborn? Her family are all on Arrakis. Alia, the twins, Stilgar, Hera, Duncan, her Fremen tribe, but the Order which conspired to destroy her family is more important to her? That makes no sense. It all comes off as contrived.

>>19645535
Definitely Earth Abides. I like how the ending is both hopeful and yet depressing because the world has changed so much.

>>19645615
i heard he turned himself into a red mist in a cave, don't know what that means though.

>>19645785
I think it's more like Jessica is disgusted with herself for allowing Alia to be pre-born, also Frank Herbert kind of forgot Hara was a character in Alia's life that would keep her from getting swallowed by the thousands of personalities trapped in her brain

>>19645615
He was hopelessly over matched.

>>19645784
In that case it makes perfect sense to pass on it. I don't wanna ruin my enjoyment from the first two.

Any tips on what to go for next? I just finished The First Law trilogy and it was alright. However, now I want something slightly heavier.
The Malaz? or is it just a cult of autists who like getting lost in nonsensical list names?
Should I join the Bakkerfags or is it just a meme?
The Dune?

What's a fantasy book with loads of descriptions of the world? A lot of modern fantasy novels imo don't describe the world enough. I want something that paints image after image in beautiful prose like, say, Mishima, while still telling a compelling story.

>>19645911
>Should I join the Bakkerfags or is it just a meme?
i'm about done with book 2 of second apocalypse and i'd recommend it. it took maybe half of the first book for it to hook me but now i can't stop thinking about it.

>>19645260
Good anon, follow our lead. God emperor is the single best sci fi book ever written.

>>19645911
Dune is one of the great science fiction classics for a reason, also would recommend reading it before you read Bakker.

Bakker's Prince of Nothing and Second Apocalypse books are good but are very grim and explicit if that bothers you.

Malazan is 10 decently long books, so that will require quite a bit of time and dedication. And yes there is a rather unholy number of characters and plotlines that change every book or so. Overall I found it ok, but I think some other anons might have a better opinion regarding Malazan seeing as I only read through the series once

>>19645169
Yes

>>19645924
Bakker's Prince of Nothing Trilogy, though frankly the detail becomes a lot scarcer in his later books.

>>19645354
It's me.. so yeah basically just press on through. First half of Children is shit, second half - which focuses on Leto - isn't bad. Keep going, it will be worth it.

>>19644095
Finished the book and I have no idea who or what that cover is supposed to depict.
Why are publishers like that?

why is there nothing like it

>>19645937
>reading it before you read Bakker
why?
I have no problem with grim stuff but if there is more to have from Bakker having read Dune beforehand, then good to know.

>>19646043
Senpai just read berserk, it ain’t /lit/ but Soulsborne is practically berserk fanfic anyway.

>>19646067
I have but that's a manga

>>19646054
It'll help you appreciate and notice some of its influences on Bakker

>>19645258
Read equal rites and stop being a chud.

>>19645924
Gentlemen bastards.

>>19645535
King in Yellow

>>19645771
lol, lmao

>>19646043
Because the light plot and story would be shit as a book.

Aesthetically, there is Beserk, which it stole its whole art style from, except it just ripped off the fantastical elements and doesn't have the Durer inspired style that makes Beserk so good (still a good looking game).

If you want another game that nailed grim aesthetics and mood perfectly, there is the original Diablo. Best atmosphere of all time. But the game play does not really hold up for the ADD generation. I have no idea how such an absolute classic was abandoned with no attempts to recreate it, and instead we got the "Diablo-like" genre that is all about loot acting as a gambling sim and throwing tons of shit on the screen.

You could never have shit like the moans of torture slowly getting louder as you go deeper into the labyrinth, or random hysterical laughing breaking out in modern "clones" because you just run from boss to boss for loot.

But The Darkness That Comes Before is grim dark and excellent in a way genre fiction generally isn't.

>>19646346
Forgot my pic of the cook titty witches that try to lure you into huge packs of monsters, running away whenever you get close.

Shit, modern arpgs don't even have this level of tactics from 1996. Shit just blobs on the screen instead of trying to flank you.

>>19646359
I played Diablo on my PS1. Good shit.

>>19646346
> I have no idea how such an absolute classic was abandoned with no attempts to recreate it, and instead we got the "Diablo-like" genre that is all about loot acting as a gambling sim and throwing tons of shit on the screen.
>You could never have shit like the moans of torture slowly getting louder as you go deeper into the labyrinth, or random hysterical laughing breaking out in modern "clones" because you just run from boss to boss for loot.
You mean, Diablo III?

>>19645771
>Endymion has to still be at least decent, right?
No, it's just plain bad.

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/155230.Adult_Sci_Fi_Fantasy_of_2021?page=1

>>19646468
Dare I look?

>>19646501
Their is some decent stuff like The Coward and Shards of the Earth. I"ve heard Elder Race is good.

Reading Piranesi right now, it's pretty nice. Is there any other modern fantasy/sf I've missed like this? With novelty, good prose and not much superfluous fat or dumb agendas like LGBT.

>>19646359
Kys, majority of video games don't have even a sliver of tactics, never had, don't bring video games to /lit/ faggot

>>19646468
Is Brian Staveley any good?

>>19646576
>and not much superfluous fat or dumb agendas like LGBT.
>not much
The state of /lit/

>>19646576
>superfluous fat or dumb agendas
come back with your impressinos after you finish the whole book, i wonder if you'll see the same i did

>>19646609
fucking kek. the retard already fell for the agenda, if he accepts even a bit of it.

>>19646576
once you finish the book, you'll wish there was a bit more fat, so to say. It's a really good book, I think it got snubbed for the Hugo, but it felt like it wasted its potential a bit.

>>19646608
I've enjoyed his works anyway and wrote as such previously. Do note that the book listed there is the first book in the second trilogy for that setting though, similar to the Age of Madness for First Law from Joe Abercrombie.

Kind of bored with Wolfe at this point. Sick of the puzzles.

>>19644634
Very good. The story of Ren Zu (if I remember the name correctly, the first man) and how the plot actually reflects the mythology is kino as fuck. To bad it won't ever be finished, and there's only a couple other wuxia novels of the same calibre, depending on taste.

>>19646777
>kino
why are zoomers like this?

>>19646777
Yes but there is still 2300+ chapters and it was nearing towards the end, even it is not finished is actually not that big of deal, in fact just the fact that commies banned it probably made 10 times more popular and valuable

>>19646794
Sorry about that. My 4chan register is in a bad state.
>>19646828
I agree it's not a big deal. And most wuxia authors have difficulties writing a good ending anyway so maybe it is better that it is left to our imagination.

To be honest, I haven't read all translated chapters. I don't remember exactly what chapter I stopped at, but it was after the MC had swindled that perfect body, and was being chased by some dragon guy. He had stolen the river as well. I had lost interest in the story at that point, though. I think the best arc was the second one, the one were he focused on strength Gu. The ending was amazing.

Read my first Heinlein book, enjoyed it. A lot of books back then assumed dystopian crap like compulsory biometric ID cards would just be a thing in the future didn't they?

Finishing Fall of Hyperion soon. Titus Groan or Shadow of the Torturer next?

>>19646885
It gets better after that.

Is this a good order to read witcher in?
>The Last Wish
>Sword of Destiny
>Season of Storms
>Blood of Elves
>Time of Contempt
>Baptism of Fire
>The Tower of the Swallow
>The Lady of the Lake

>>19647069
Just read the short stories and play the games.

>>19647054
Maybe I will pick it up again. Do you have any other wuxia novels to recommend, or web novels in general? I've read and can recommend Renegade Immortal, Warlock of the Magus World and Martial World, but you've probably heard of all of them already.

>>19647101
I played the games many years ago, I want to experience the story through the books this time around

>>19646948
Shadow of the Torturer is both better and more fun to read.

>>19647114
The games barely have anything to do with the books, and the games are significantly better written.

>>19647069
Yes, but drop Season of Storms. It's usually consdiered considerably worse, and in my opinion, it makes you take longer to get to the good part of the plot. Only read it if you absolutely loved the series, and even then I'd ask you to reconsider.
People will say the short stories (The Last Wish, Sword of Destiny) are better, which is understandable, but I quite liked the plot itself as well.
I'm rereading the story right now in fact. Just started am, about halfway through The Last Wish

>>19647288
>the games are significantly better written.
I quite disagree, but I liked the books a lot, so maybe that's just me. For reference, I dropped The Witcher 3 about 30h in because the story was boring/bothering me a lot.

>>19647104
>Maybe I will pick it up again. Do you have any other wuxia novels to recommend, or web novels in general? I've read and can recommend Renegade Immortal, Warlock of the Magus World and Martial World, but you've probably heard of all of them already.
I really liked martial world, but the warlock of magus definetely isn't my thing. I will check out Renegade Immortal
I can recommend Divine Thorne of Primordial World, The human emperor, also consider western works, portal wars saga, and also Dragon Heart series (litrpg progression) (beware if you do, it starts out really good but then quality drops suddenly in latest book)

>>19646658
This probably isn't even what you are referring to, and it's not like I want to turn impressionable idiots in this thread off from a book that is actually quite good, but it's hilarious to me how whiney "muh current year" anons here are so uninformed that they entirely miss the point of a book that is about the author's struggle with a "medically unrecognized" mental illness, possibly one of the most "SJW agenda" topics there is today. Search up articles about Susana Clarke and why she hadn't published a book for 16 years before this one if you aren't sure what I mean.

>>19644087
After the Apocalypse - Maureen F. McHugh (2011)

McHugh's focus is on small scale, often on the individual level, near future science fiction. Her works are often understated and usually strive for realism. Some would probably say that they're intended to be literary. China Mountain Zhang (1992), her novel, is much the same way. Many of her stories casually include various contemporary pop culture references. Most of the stories are like a short dip into the lives of the characters, similar to a "a day in the life" sort of documentary.

The Naturalist (2010)
Criminals are sent to a zombie preserve. These are the slow and dumb sort of zombies. The pro-zombie protagonist likes to experiment with them. There are air raids from time to time. So, it's basically a free-range prison gang story plus zombies.
Meh

Special Economics (2008)
A Chinese teenager is a wannabe rapper, but that doesn't pay the bills. So, she ends up with an exploitative company that entraps its workers with debt. If this story was written today, it'd probably be about the relationship between Xianjing and US corporations.
Ok

Useless Things (2009)
A woman who is barely getting by and lives alone has been designated on a website as a safe location for hobos/economic migrants to visit on their travels, which makes her feel vulnerable, which leads to fear. She makes dolls that look like newborn infants which she calls reborns and sells them online. Strangely, she's had a repeat customer for exactly the same doll for three years in a row. Also, she makes dildos. Kind of me makes me think of it like the life of someone who sells on Etsy.
Ok

The Lost Boy: A Reporter At Large (2007)
This is written in the style of a human interest article as would appear in a newspaper or magazine. It focuses on the life of a teenager who may or may not have lost his memory and who years ago was affected by a terrorist attack, as were many others.
Meh

The Kingdom of the Blind (2008)
Their computer systems are all named after Voodoo terms, because they don't really have any idea how the black box AI works. When mysterious events begin happening, they discuss various thought experiments with each other. Maybe the AI has become conscious, or maybe it hasn't, either way it isn't our concern.
Meh

Going to France (2008)
A brief existential crisis following a meeting with a trio who can fly. Maybe soon many will fly.
Blah

Honeymoon (2011)
A woman who is in economic precarity does medical studies to make a bit of extra cash. If anything goes wrong, it's best not to dwell on it. Nothing can be done anyway. Escapism is all we have.
Meh

The Effect of Centrifugal Forces (2011)
A teenage girl's mother is dying and the girl can't cope, so she seethes at her family, because all she knows is angst. It reminded me of my father's teenage years, including the ending.
Blah

After the Apocalypse (2011)
Not all women are maternal, let alone nurturing, and sometimes having a child is a mistake.
Meh

>>19645535
Earth Abides

Fuck
I hate this so fucking much but I just can't help it, I've started watching the tv show The Expanse and although I think it's a pretty average to bad tv show the concepts in it are really exciting and interesting to me unfortunately
Are there any books I should read that explore similar scenarios?

>>19647346
Thank you! Which one do you think has the best translation?

>>19647385
Commonwealth saga by Peter F Hamilton.
It's not bad, it is a pretty good space opera, but it does have a number of issues.

>>19647429
What do you mean?

>>19645741
are the rest of the books in this series worth it? I haven't read Hyperion yet because I have so many other reads/series and I really don't want to commit to another, so unless I'm not missing anything by just reading the first book I don't wanna get started on another series-plus OCD will make me focus on completing the series even before I finish the first, I almost always end up buying the series unless I'm not into the first book

>>19646947
>increasing vaccine mandates
>real ID
>qr codes and vaxcards
>touch/image based/retinal phone screen locks

they weren't really that far off the mark

>>19647509
Whos to say that all these tech companies didn't just copy those concepts instead?
what's the next technology gimmick? just read heinlein!

The Melanin That Cucks Before, more like.

>>19647563
>Whos to say that all these tech companies didn't just copy those concepts instead?
That's what happens. Writers do the theoretical and engineers make it practical.

>>19647563
Zuck's metaverse is unapologetically inspired by Snow Crash. Even something as innocuous as the countdowns used in rocketry first appears in a film, ~20 years before Sputnik

Any books like Harry Potter except that they're actually good?

>>19647863
Yno

>>19647863
Call of the Crocodile

>>19647573
>tfw you realize Cnauir did little better than Leweth against the Thought Dancers.

Fuck. I hate Kellhus so fucking much. I keep reading just hoping someone finally kills his ass. Preferably after torture, although he probably wouldn't notice because he's a robot monster.

>>19644304
If you liked I, Robot then I'd say go ahead. It's largely the same thing but with a much strengthened narrative thread between the short stories and, I'd argue, more interesting ideas (Think Evitable Conflict instead of Robbie). Also it turns into what is basically a space opera by the second book.

>>19647491
Hyperion and Fall are basically one book. Fucking excellent. Never read Endymion or Rise so I couldn’t tell you, most people hate them.

has anyone read this series? is it worth taking a look?

>>19648202
/sffg/ GR group
5s: 2
4s: 2
It may be good, but it may also be that those who disliked it didn't finish or rate it.

>>19648284
I forgot to note that it's self-published.

>>19644304
I liked the Foundation a lot. My first SFFG series, and I had a blast.
The sequels/prequels are optional, only go for them if you like the main series.

>>>/vg/366025302

>>19646043
I'd argue some aspects of Malazan feel very reminiscent of the Souls games at times. Especially the parts about dead/fractured warrens.

>>19647966
It drives me a little crazy that Cnaiur is supposedly one of the smartest men in the world (in terms of purely raw ability at least) and yet he's such an emotional wreck with absolutely no self-awareness or personal insight.
Anyway, keep reading, lucky for you Bakker has spent about 30 years thinking about it and has some more creative ideas in mind than mere torture.

>>19644087
Thoughts on the Mission Earth dekalogy?

>>19644087
>you don't live in the universe where you were born a farm boy thats secretly the chosen one who goes on a ton of adventures with a wisecracking monster best friend and a qt redheaded tsundere barbarian girl that you eventually end up marrying after you finally fulfill your destiny and restore peace to the world by slaying all the dark ones (Jews)
why lift?

Also would you guys read it if I wrote this book?

>>19648499
>would I read [extremely generic chosen one power fantasy]
No sir I would not

>>19646576
Helmet of Horror, quality book

>>19648522
I haven't read too much fantasy but all the ones that try to subvert it are really gay. Why not just read a well written fantasy book that embraces its cliches?

>>19645771
I enjoyed Endymion. It wasn't as good but it had some cool shit. Ilium and Olympus were a little better, with cooler shit, but the ending is pretty weak. You get 1,700 pages in and it just ends.

>>19648554
You present a false dichotomy. I prefer to read neither the cliched nor the subversive

> Though he was loathe to admit as much, he feared the yearning—and at times, the raw lust—she inspired in him. And so, as is the wont of men, he often found himself resenting, even hating her.

Why are men like this?

>>19648755
Idk, why are women so slutty?

>>19648764
Idk, why are women so stupid?

>>19648764
>>19648768
> Men condemned others to better celebrate themselves. And what could be easier to condemn than women?

>>19648770
>> Men condemned others to better celebrate themselves
Joke's on you buddy, I also condemn myself

>>19648140
I sort of liked Rise but Endymion was pretty shitty.

The first two Hyperion books are good, but I just wanted it to be over halfway through the second one. If I never read another word about John Keats again, I'll die happy.

>>19644095
I'm still in whiplash over how utterly shit this was, when compared to Book of the Fallen.
I'm almost entirely convinced that it's just Esslemont pushing his schlock under his friend's name, because otherwise I'd have to cope with the fact that Erikson has finally gone senile and I'll never get any more Malazan ever again.

Hello fellow /sffg/ /lit/izens, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind suggesting some ultra "comfy" science fiction novels/short story collections? I just broke up with my girlfriend today and I need something to sink my attention into.

Any and all recommendations are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

>>19649086
Yeah, what was with that computer AI John Keats shit anyway?

>>19648764
Because men are obsessed with sex and it's the quickest, easiest way for them to obtain free shit?

How do you not know this already?

>>19648755
Because women are a constant, unending supply of disappointment, frustration and misery in-between the times you're fucking their many holes.

>>19649134
> Can't do shit on their own
> Will do anything to not have to work and get free shit
Yup, sound like a Jew to me

>>19648755
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.

>>19649122
Checked, sorry to hear, and I recommend Ted Chiang short stories. He's a good writer so I think you'll get absorbed on his stories a bit more than normal. I broke up with my gf of three years about a month ago, best of luck to you anon.

>>19649298
Cheers friend.

>>19649122
Book of the Long Sun is in its own way, supremely comfy

>>19649122
I find the societies in John C Wright's Eschaton series to be comfy. The books have their faults but it's a pretty unique take on human interstellar civilization.

>>19648499
>>19648522
>>19648554
Read the faithful and the fallen series, it is everything you wish for done right

so readinng The Claw of the Conciliator rn.
Did they eat human corpses at the dinner party? I'm confused

>>19649698
Yes. They ate Thecla's corpse.
There was also some drug from some alien (forgot what it's called) that allowed them to get some memories from Thecla's corpse.

>>19649710
analeptic alzabo
also that is nasty wtf

>>19644087
Are you going to make the annual Goodreads group breakdown?

deltora quest with the same ideas and plot but rewritten with bakkers prose would be goated

>>19644087
>Sneed. Feed.
>Suck. Fuck.
>Speculative. Fiction.
>Science. Fiction.
>Science. Fantasy.

>>19649122
If you like Star Trek, a focus on problem solving and investigation over conflict and character development, and don't mind goofy pop culture references, the Bobiverse books are pretty comfy.

It's about an engineer who gets hit by a car and wakes up as a digital AI in a self replicating probe being sent out to the stars to clone himself. Then he explores, meets aliens, helps humanity. His clones take on pop culture personalities from Star Trek, the Simpsons, etc.

Goofy as shit but I found them to be comfy time wasters.

>when they omit tom bombadil

>>19645600
filtered troon

>>19646043
only good thing about this franchise is gameplay. Trash otherwise

>>19650717
Am I alone in finding the art style, atmosphere, and lore (bare as it is) very appealing, but finding the gameplay repetitive and dull after awhile? Dodging over and over, waiting for an animation, then hit attack x times before you run away.

The first was cool. I tried to play III on Xbone and it took 4-5 minutes to load every time you died, so fighting a boss was like 20 minutes of attempts until you won vs 30-35 minutes of load screens. Dropped it fairly early. I might play again on PC with faster loads and hacks so I can cruise through repetitive parts.

It's just a shame because Armored Core was the shit and now From is going to Call of Duty this shit until it stops making bank with clones and I found one game to be enough of the combat, unless they mix if up more. It's cool to slow stuff down from shit like the original God of War and DMC, but now it's too repetitive and based on press x when enemy does y. Felt like I saw through it at one point and realized it was like playing a Resident Evil 3 cut scene.

>>19645260
Finished the read of American Psycho, and for you anon I'll trust you and will read the following Dune novel I need to read: the second volume.

>>19647353
i found out about her illness but i still don't see what you mean

>>19651056
Apparently the book deals with the labyrinth surrounding the perception and treatment of unrecognized illness, not that I've read it or even seen a summary. it seems to be what he's hinting at.

>>19650763
dark souls, sekiro and bloodborne are all different enough, and hopefully elden ring (4 games over 10 years). ds2 and ds3 is cod tier though.

So what's supposed to be wrong with it?
I loved Hyperion.

>>19651209
Hyperion 2 is still good but loses the same tone of the first. 3 and 4 are where it all falls apart and he starts having strike terminator vs terminator fights

>>19651153
>>19650763
based on some of the datamined voice lines, it looks like Elden Ring will be like Bloodborne in that something in the cosmos is out there and in this case, the Erdtree protects the Lands Between after the General Radahn "conquered the stars". I think it still remains to be seen if the things in the cosmos are gods or just some curious ayy lmaos

>>19647863
Black Clover
It's not really that good, and it's an anime. But it's entertaining.

>This is one of the biggest SSF reviewers on the platform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPc3AZd1hBU
At this point you can't even argue with him, you just feel bad.

>>19651377
I found it funny that even the biggest Brandon Sanderson fan on youtube couldn't even include his books in his list of high quality contemporaries.
As a fan of old sci fi, not much of that video made sense

>>19651377
counting down the days until he inevitably breaks some woke taboo and the cancelers swarm. how long can they really tolerate a white male at the top? the resentment builds

Sister just got me the Fifth Head of Cerberus for my birthday! Can't wait, I'm nearly done with Citadel of the Autarch and I was thinking I was going to miss having no Wolfe to read.

>>19651377

Lets talk Mid-Tier Fantasy. The kind of stuff you give a try when you have read all the major players that receive marketing pushes that court mainstream audiences. Writers that just chug along, often with shockingly prodigious output relative to the lack of fanfare surrounding them.

>>19651834
Are any of these books a diamond in the rough?

>>19649122
Bobiverse. A bit too geeky but comfy

i never read a book before so i picked up mistborn im 1/2 in and im enjoying it. just kinda odd to read but ill get use to it

>>19649122
Bobiverse
The Martian
I'd say I, Robot or The Complete Robot is comfy, the stakes are generally fairly low
Rendezvous with Rama is just a story of scientists exploring a seemingly dead space station, not much action and no drama.

>>19651894
No, this type of fantasy is the literary equivalent of harem anime. Sure, some are better than others but it's going to do the same thing for 8 seasons and never resolve. The standouts tend to be in pulp and weird fiction where the fundamental premises are novel, even if the writing is shit.

Please Recommend me something with actual weird/creepy, alien and beautiful nature or areas. Some scp’s, Hyperion and annihilation come to mind.

>>19651894
I read the first 3 and it kind of drove home how arbitrary success can be. They are not great. They range from dull to passable with a bit of charm, but so are many other series that outsell them 10x over.

>>19650292
Just so you know, I'm not the OP, in case that was in doubt.

>Are you going to make the annual Goodreads group breakdown?
Yes. It's over 500 members now and I haven't started. I thought I may as well give it the entire year before I started this time. It'll be finished sometime in January. Probably earlier rather than later.

anyanon read 'neuropath' by bakker?
any good?

>>19651894
I'd say no. Most of these forgotten fantasy series were mediocre and really aimed at genre enthusiasts who wanted more of what they liked. It's not something your average "I read Game of Thrones" dabbler will get into.

>>19651377
I usually like his videos, but this one had me reconsidering watching his stuff as a whole

>>19651925
Yeah, mistborn is pretty friendly for new readers. Still takes some getting used to, because of Brando's "writing style", but in general it's not that bad

>>19652050
How do you compile data from Goodreads efficiently? Such as to make the book reviews summary, for example?

>>19652186
why?

Are their any good webnovels that are not LITRPG?

>>19652209
Idk. He's the first sffg book reviewer I started watching and his recommendations in general struck well with me. He is usually able to keep politics to a minnimum, and I used to enjoy some of his skits (nowadays I'm not so sure though).
Nowadays though, I'm mostly watching him due to inercia. I'm not really taking many recsas my TBR is huge, so there's no real reason.

>>19652202
Oh, that's simple, I don't. There's a lot of various things I do, not only what is shown. I manually go through each account noting stuff. That's why it's only once a year. I'll be updating the reviewers, providing various statistics, adding interesting stuff to my account, and other stuff.

As to the reviews post itself, I used a spreadsheet to make all the formatting because I'm not going to do that manually.

It's not going to be anything in-depth as
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/21353291-sffg-stuff
was, and probably won't be again. That took a lot of days and time. It was an amusing one-off event though.

Does /sffg/ have their top100 or tier lists?

>>19652287
1) check the link in the op
2) ignore the link in the op because they and you are faggots

>>19652264
>I manually go through each account noting stuff
...bless you and your autism anon. I wish you luck

>>19652196
It's really bland and predictable.

>>19649120
why is it shit? the reviews seem pretty positive on goodreads at least.

>>19652050
Awesome.

>>19651990
As with all areas of human activity, success depends more on who you know than what you can actually do. Robert Jordan would've probably been an obscure bargain bin author for all his life if he hadn't been married to a well connected editor. Or look at Paolini for an even more extreme case, having been able to push his vanity project Eragon to the top of the NYT bestseller list mainly thanks to the support from his rich parents. Had Paolini not been a trust fund babby, he might never even have gotten published at all. Modesitt is just shit out of luck he never had the right kind of connections. In another timeline he might be the one who got his Recluce series adapted by Amazon while Wheel of Time is an obscure and unfinished work. It's not merit that made the difference.

>>19651377
The man with a Mistborn tattoo on his wrist making a video about strong authorial voices is pretty strange

>>19647573
I don't get it.

>>19652287
We could rank them all, but why bother. There is BAKKER and then there is the rest.

>>19653005
he is truly the Atlas of the genre

Every thread should have thread based IDs.

>>19653046
u can also go back to plebbit

>>19653046
Why should we all suffer because you fell for the meme and read The Darkness that comes before?

>>19652054
Yeah. It's quite good as a psychological thriller. It's a fast paced read ala Gone Girl or Never Saw Me Coming; he fits the genre well.

On the one hand, this means the prose is very simplified from his other books, but this sort of works to the book's advantage for what it is.

It's a thriller with some real philosophical heft, which is rare. Ideas are not particularly novel, so if you read The Darkness That Comes Before, or are familiar with eliminative materialism, it will be a retread. Sci-fi elements are ok, the parts about manipulation of the brain are cool.

Solid book.

Fuck Bakker though, I had almost the exact idea for this book 3 years before it came out and never actually wrote it and then found out he had already published. He even stole my idea of jacking terrorists up on drugs and brain stimulation and making them think they are seeing God to get them to confess to you.

Despite being a horror book, it has way less rape and murder than his fantasy, which should make it more accessible. I don't think there was even a single gay rape, although, of course, there is cuckolding.

>>19653153
>gay rape, although, of course, there is cuckolding.

I have never read anything from Bakker, but is this truly something he includes in his books? Is that why it's just a meme and liked by fucking troons only?

>>19653264
Bakker has pretentious literary aspirations. Most literary fiction is thinly veiled cuckold porn. He picked up on this and put it in there in a desperate bid to make his novels seem mature.

>>19653264
No. There isn't any gay sex in his other books and the Second Apocalypse has like two gay rapes in 7 books that involve named characters and they happen off screen. People are exaggerating.

There is a bunch of demons and demon like monsters that ravage people they kill but this is really not the same thing and is typical of other grimdark like Beserk.

Are the Recluce books good in an entertaining way. I don't care if they're super well written.

>>19644362
It gets gradually worse and by book four I gave up. There is something about being subjected to every aspect of degeneracy and PC trope in just a couple of pages. Read the first three, they are good.

henlo frens, I am looking for something sci-fi that will actually make me contemplate. I can't stand reading nonsense, or bullshit. I've read Dune and it was good for awhile then got too Marvel Comic booktier eventually.

>>19652469
Of course it's goodreads positive, it's MCU garbage in literary form.
You liked le quirky characters like Kruppe and Tehol? Well, rejoice then, because now every Malazan marine is a derivative of those two, only without any sort of thought or cleverness or likeability put into them that made those two tolerable and even cool at times.
Not to mention the absolutely bonkers decision of turning said marines into some sort of "humanitarian" welfare corps and upping the "crayons hooraah" cringe that's tacked so on the nose it reads like a parody.
Started re-reading GotM right after finishing this shit, and the difference is like fucking night and day.

What do the Dunyain mean by the Absolute? Do I have to read Hegel? Is there a good YouTube or summary. I tried once and it was incoherent as fuck.

>>19653388
But why include gay rape and homosexual politics into his books?

>>19653571
Because those are the primary driving political forces of humanity throughout history, anon.

>>19653524
That's a shame. I might still check it out though and see how far I can make it.

>>19653587
yes, but this is fantasy, it doesn't have to be real. I read to get away from the shitty current world that we live in. I don't want all this degenerate garbage in my books. People who want this shit are degenerates who don't get enough of it in real life (and authors who write it are vermin)

>>19647385
Pushing Ice by A Reynolds gave me somewhat similar feel to The Expanse

>>19653651
Sorry, anon, I don't what to tell you except for the fact that minorities are subhuman, their opinions meaningless, and (You), unfortunately, are part of one.

>>19653264
Yeah there is gay rape, incest, necrophilia and cuckoldry a plenty in his books. He is a degenarate

>>19653695

>>19644087
>mc is a happa
>can't picture him as anything but this, no matter how he's described

>>19653917
At least the inner dialogue is good

Bros, serious question. Where do I start with contemporary fantasy?

>>19654123
Define "contemporary"

>>19654123
Define "fantasy"

>>19654144
>Define "contemporary"
>Contemporary
>belonging to or occurring in the present.
How retarded are you?

>>19654151
Is 2000? 2010? 2020? Current year? What's the cut-off year?

>>19654161
So, you are retarded if you don't know contemporary.

>>19654168
Well, if you go by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_literature
It says "Contemporary literature is literature which is generally set after World War II[citation needed]. " or another says, "The somewhat malleable term "contemporary literature" is usually applied with a post-1960 cut off point. " and many more definitions elsewhere.

>>19654180
God, you're retarded.

>>19654184
Naturally, so provide your own year.

>>19654123

>>19654123
Don't. The contemporary era is corrupt and can only speak about brown skinned alt people subject to oppression. Wait for things to ease up or enjoy the earlier offerings.

>>19644087
More fantasy like this? Preferably books.

>>19652244
I stopped watching him when he reviewed very positively Kings of the Wyld and personally interviewed the author.

>>19654346
>Kings of the Wyld
Haven't read it, and while the book seems a bit reditt-y in presentation, I've heard good thing about it from people here, so I'm not sure why you had this reaction.

>>19654123
why Mistborn of course. The best book ever made.

>>19654184
>engaging a tripfag
You get what you fucking deserve.

>Bakker has unironically lost his website’s domain to some random Asian casino gambling shit.

He really is dead, isn’t he?

>>19651939
China Mieville, try The City and the City. It's "weird", I think that's what you are looking for. and that book is the shit

>>19644092
>The Holy War is the name of the great host called by Maithanet, the Shriah of the Thousand Temples, to liberate
Shimeh from the heathen Fanim of Kian. Word of Maithanet’s call spreads across the Three Seas, and faithful from
all the great Inrithi nations—Galeoth, Thunyerus, Ce Tydonn, Conriya, High Ainon, and their tributaries—travel to
the city of Momemn, the capital of the Nansur Empire, to become Men of the Tusk.
>Almost from the outset, the gathering host is mired in politics and controversy. First, Maithanet somehow
convinces the Scarlet Spires, the most powerful of the sorcerous Schools, to join his Holy War. Despite the outrage
this provokes—sorcery is anathema to the Inrithi—the Men of the Tusk realize they need the Scarlet Spires to
counter the heathen Cishaurim, the sorcerer-priests of the Fanim. The Holy War would be doomed without one of
the Major Schools. The question is one of why the Scarlet Schoolmen would agree to such a perilous arrangement.
Unknown to most, Eleäzaras, the Grandmaster of the Scarlet Spires, has waged a long and secret war against the
Cishaurim, who for no apparent reason assassinated his predecessor, Sasheoka, some ten years previously.
Second, Ikurei Xerius III, the Emperor of Nansur, hatches an intricate plot to usurp the Holy War for his own
ends. Much of what is now heathen Kian once belonged to the Nansur, and Xerius has made recovering the
Empire’s lost provinces his heart’s most fervent desire. Since the Holy War gathers in the Nansur Empire, it can
only march if provisioned by the Emperor, something he refuses to do until every leader of the Holy War signs his
Indenture, a written oath to cede all lands conquered to him
Bakkertrannies will defend this turd

>>19654579
Who are you quoting?

>>19654579
That’s pretty based and reminiscent of the Iliad. Bakker surely likes to show off his influences.

>>19653153
thanks for the write up, I'm not the anon that asked but I've been meaning to read Neuropath for a while. gonna read it after I finish the last three Frank Dune books[/spoilers]

>>19654579
based

>>19654466
>while the book seems a bit reditt-y in presentation,
>a bit reditt-y
>a bit
It's reddit incarnated in book format.
>I've heard good thing about it from people here
>from people here
Doubt it, it was a try-hard author making boring standard, safe and progressive fantasy book.
I don't remember positive reviews here, mediocre ones at best.
>Haven't read it
That's the problem. Give it a try and tell me how far you got when you dropped it.

Are Borges' short stories arguably fantasy?

>>19654720
I think his stuff is usually classified as Magic Realism, though I don't see any reason why we should exclude him from fantasy discussions

>>19654564
who gives a shit. that retard hasn't written anything worth reading in 15 years

>>19654341
Unironically, pic related.

I think I originally got sold on it after asking for something like Beserk in this general.

>>19653651
>Violence and sex can't drive good narratives.
Yeah, I guess Homer, Sophocles, etc. were all shit.

>>19644362
im onto book two right now actually, the first one had some cool ideas and i like the alternate history setting a lot but it’s unnecessarily dense as fuck at times and not all that pleasurable to read

>>19646608
it’s all a bit uninspired and dumb but it’s good enough if you want a long series to churn through

>>19655059
Violence is fine but sex ruins the story

>>19655091
Oh, it seems we're playing spot the American.

>>19655059
>>19655091
>>19655109
VIOLENCE IS SEX
SEX IS VIOLENCE

What is the "loneliest" feeling science fiction novel/story?

>>19655146
Unironically if I had to give a serious answer, 1984 would be high on the list

>>19655146
probably some Murakami or that other Japanese dude that just came out with that novel that features some AI. the Japanese are a sad people

>>19655146
>Dying Inside.
Is about a guy who can read minds but can't connect with people.

>The Quiet Earth
Last man on Earth scenario

>Piranesi
>Roadside Picnic
>The Lathe of Heaven
>The Library at Mount Char
Loneliness isn't central to any of these, but does factor in somewhat

>>19653651
>yes, but this is fantasy, it doesn't have to be real. I read to get away from the shitty current world that we live in. I don't want all this degenerate garbage in my books. People who want this shit are degenerates who don't get enough of it in real life (and authors who write it are vermin)

>>19655189
I've already read these ones

>>19652050
>>19650292
>>19652485
>>19652202
I changed my mind. I scaled backed my plans and will do some other stuff later. Breakdown, more or less, will be sometime in the next thread. Reviews will be updated tomorrow, maybe.

>>19652202
I may have misunderstood what you mean by book reviews summary. If you meant these posts >>19645535 >>19645542 , then I used the group's bookshelves functions, which anyone in the group can use, which shows the status for every book by every member, so that was easy.

>>19655146
Blindsight is a hard sci fi novel centered around deeply fucked up individuals struggling against alienation in various capacities.

can I get some fantasy recs based off good dialogue? Lyonesse was good. Asoiaf was pretty good. Mistborn cringe dialogue. Name of the Wind kinda cringe dialogue. Tolkien was good. Lies of locke lamora good. The blade itself was cringe. etc. Thanks anons

>>19655345
Pratchett?

Just finished Lord of Light by Zelazny bros. What did I think of it?

>>19645973
>Ishterebinth sequence in Book VI
>scarce in detail
clack, clack, clack, anon…

>>19655628
We don't care.

>>19654579
based and hilarious you were filtered by this big-standard if well-written semi-generic fantasy book infodump

also learn to format your posts retard

>>19655146
childhood’s end
also piranesi, roadside picnic and blindsight take feature small characters alone or in small clumps, dwarfed by vast, lonely, empty spaces

>>19655673
dick

I started reading sci-fi recently and every other new book gives me the feeling of ''this is my favorite now''. Pretty comfy feeling.

>>19655146
The Forever War. One of the major themes is alienation and loneliness.

>>19655674 Yours isn't formatted correctly either.

>>19655801
That just means you can't properly assess yet.

>>19655674
>big-standard
Well, don't you look like a fool now.

>>19653712
>He is a degenarate
Anyone else finds it hilarious how this election tourist fagboy sounds exactly like women writing angry reviews because they think that if author depicts "misogynistic" Old Testament-like social rules in his fiction about medieval setting, author fully supports them and wants to see them instated IRL, except fagboy does same thing from different angle?

>>19655916
I find your posturing hilarious.

>>19655341
Vampires are fantasy.

>>19655801
What SF, though? Modern or classic?

>>19655929
It doesn't matter.

>>19655922
he makes them pretty believable in a hard scifi context desu

>>19655916
this. writing about something isn’t the same as condoning it. litlets’ absolute failure to grasp this simplest of critical reading skills is probably the most commonplace form of filtration i see on this internet web site and also the point of origin of the vast majority of ongoing bakker-hate itt.

>>19655902
just because i’m a literal retard doesn’t mean the points i make are wrong anon

Finished this a few days ago. Need to talk about it. Especially want to talk about what people thought of duncan idaho

>>19655899
That's right, and it's been a pleasant process so far. I know this can't keep up indefinitely and in some years I'll be disappointed with my current read not being as good as the best in the genre I experienced. A long way to go, thou.

>>19655929
Mostly classics: Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, Starship Troopers, Roadside Picnic, and maybe a couple more. Now I'm reading Hyperion, just finished the Poet's Tale and it's already my new favorite.

>>19647923
Call of the Bakker

>>19648547
Good luck for anyone who tries to read it though.

>>19648593
Hello anon,
Can I interest you with some NEW SINCERITY this fine day?

>>19649146
Cope & Seethe

>>19652210
>good
>webnovel
Only ever choose the former.

>>19652244
>watching any reviewer of any sort
No.

>>19649146
>many holes
earfucker?
n-nosefucker…?

>>19653487
Helmet of Horror

>>19655961
There was a need to have one character in every book for continuity and thus so he was. He's upgraded to protagonist basically for the last two books. I wouldn't be surprised if Herbert considered himself as Duncan.

Duncan could've had a worse existence all things considered. He manages to be the longest lived character technically.

Also, you need to say more if you want people to talk about it.

>>19655991
Why not the urethra? There other holes as well.

>>19655961
You have to go to /tv/ for discussion.

>>19655965
I meant more than what you once thought was your favorite for the moment becomes only average overall.

New thread
>>19656013

>>19656010
Fix your attitude.

>>19656017
no

>>19656011
Well, that's a depressing way to look at it.

>>19651894
>>19651834
Recluce actually has a fresh take on fantasy. But the books ARE kinda samey, so don't read all of them if you are bothered by that. They are self-contained, so read the first one and the one where MC mindrapes a girl and she fights it the whole book only to succumb and marry him in the end.

>>19652210
Strangely worded question, since no litRPG is good, but Virtuous Sons and Beware Of Chicken are good webnovels.

>>19653401
I never understood how Recluce keeps white wizards at bay. Sure, all the MCs have some unique way to combat them, but between the generations of heroes, shouldn't normal black mages be powerless to protect their homeland?

>>19655918
I find your cocksucking disingenuous fagboy.

>>19654341
why would you ask for more trash?

>>19656540
Why are you telling me this? I asked if it was good. I know nothing about it.

>>19657044
he probably expects that internet works in a way that even other people than you and him can join the discussion. Which is kinda true, dont you think?