/lit/ - Literature

Cowards

If goodreads ratings are truly indicative of sales he is the most successfull male writer next to Sanderson 2020.
Anyone read him?

>>19630038
Who?

>>19630126
filename anon

>>19630136
I considered reading this then I heard more about and remembered reading anything published after 2010 was a dumb idea.

>>19630355
he is faggot. Don't fall for bait, fag poster is trying to promote some fag in sff thread.
Sage and report

Terry Goodkind's books are so good.

>>19630380
God damn no wonder the sffg is considered the most retarded general on the website
First people can't read filenames, then this

If I want some enjoyable pop fiction, should I start The Expanse or Witcher series?

>>19630528
Wizards First Rule

>>19630528
The expanse.

>>19630528
None of those is enjoyable.

>>19630838
The Witcher short story collections are good, but The Expanse is raw sewage. YA tier prose.

Why does the reddit love Laird Barron so much? I've read Occultation and The Croning, and they've both been dull and generic. Dude loves his graphic gay sex scenes. Also, Old Leech isn't interesting. His most popular stories are just ripping of The Whisperer in Darkness by Lovecraft, and poorly.

>>19630868
>Why does the reddit love Laird Barron so much?
>Dude loves his graphic gay sex scenes.
You answered your own question.

just finished this.
I had fun. Didn't expect most of the book to be about Severian getting scammed though

>>19630848
>Complains about prose
>Recommends translated foreign fiction

I’m usually a pretentious snob. But I want to write YA Sci Fi for once. I see it as a challenge. My main influence is Kurt Vonnegut. He wrote for high school level. Are there any others you recommend?

>>19631839
based

>>19629873
Gedanken Fictions - Thomas A. Easton, editor (2000)

Gedanken is German for "thought experiment". This was used as a textbook for a college class that the editor taught about SF. So go whims of what to read and how much is written. I've previously read some of these stories and read them again.

The Cold Equations - Tom Godwin (1954)
This is one of the most famous SF short stories. I often see it mentioned and discussed by authors and editors. I've read several variations by authors who wanted to present their own version. For Godwin, this was his one-hit wonder. It was controversial for its content and plausibility at the time and remains so. Some believe it to be quite the tearjerker. The plot is the trolley problem. The story is very contrived, but that's not entirely the fault of the author, as the editor, Joseph A. Campbell, refused to accept the story unless it ended in the way he preferred. Campbell was both one of the most influential and controversial figures of early SF. The Campbell Award for Best New Writer was renamed the The Astounding Award for Best New Writer in 2019.
Meh (same for all variations)

Skystalk - Charles Sheffield (1979)
1979 was was the year that space elevators were popularized by novels from Arthur C. Clarke and Sheffield. In this they are called a "beanstalk". Several other works later used this name as well. There's a bomb on the space elevator that must be disarmed. That's similar to the beginning of Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds.
Meh

Dear Colleagues - Tom Ligon (1994)
A satire about how ethical, moral, regulatory, theoretical, and other concerns only get in the way of doing real and practical hands-on science. Risks must be taken. People will die. That's science.
Blah

The Winnowing - Isaac Asimov (1976)
A neo-Malthusian story about lifeboat ethics due to being unable to support the world population in 2005 of 6 billion, which would've been 7 billion if a billion people hadn't starved to death over the past generation. The solution is to commit the greatest atrocity in history. Overpopulation was a popular SF theme in the 20th century. The world population in 2005 was 6.5 billion. Currently several million die of hunger each year. Many countries are in population decline due to sub-replacement fertility.
Blah

Outport - Garfield Reeves-Stevens (1992)
The future is a dysgenic wasteland. Any Mexican who goes north is killed by the US military. The protagonist leads a group of Americans who want Mexican children.
Blah

The Greenhouse Papers - Jeff Hecht (1991)
"The greenhouse effect is just the latest leftist cult" This story baffled me with its "science". I looked the author up. He has a twitter account. It's exactly how I expected.
Blah

Runaround - Isaac Asimov (1942)
The story that introduced The Three Laws of Robotics.
Blah

La Macchina - Chris Beckett (1991)
Robots aren't people, praise Jesus, they're better.
Blah

>>19632069
Learning to Be Me - Greg Egan (1990)
A story about identity, consciousness, and mind uploading.
Highly Enjoyable

Kirinyaga - Mike Resnick (1988)
On a terraformed planetoid, a tribe is determined to retain traditional African culture in contravention of the Eutopian court. The problem is their ritual infanticide. They believe children born in certain ways are demons. This won the 1989 Hugo Award for Best Short Story. It was later included in Kirinyaga, the novel. The Wikipedia pages notes that "The book and its chapters are among the most honored in science fiction history with 67 awards and nominations including two Hugo Awards."
Ok

Cryptic - Jack McDevitt (1983)
Decades ago a SETI researcher hid away incomprehensible notes. A researcher discovers the notes and is determined to understand their meaning.
Enjoyable

I Still Call Australia Home - George Turner (1990)
A spacecraft left to find a new planet to inhabit. 600 years later, 30 subjective, they return to Earth. Earth has regressed. The protagonist is sent to learn how Earth has changed.
Ok

Light of Other Days - Bob Shaw (1966)
Glass has been developed that takes light years to pass through. It's become popular to have stored scenes play in a window. If only it had stuck to that. I may look at the novel this became. This felt like it had been written more recently than 1966.
Ok

Out of Copyright - Charles Sheffield (1989)
A family retains copyright over a relative's DNA for 75 years after their death. After that the combines are allowed to bid for a single-use copyrighted clone. Each clone is indoctrinated and has no legal rights. It's an interesting idea, but the story is lacking.
Ok

Gene Wars - Paul J. McAuley (1991)
Posthumans everywhere, but that's not the life for me, says the baseline human assassin. Based on this and previous works I've read, I just don't like how McAuley writes.
Blah

Down on the Truck Farm - Thomas A. Easton (1990)
This was more a surreal fantasy than SF. People drive inside huge animals. I'm amused when an editor includes their own story.
Blah

Caught in the Organ Draft - Robert Silverberg (1972)
The young are drafted to provide organs for the old. Anyone who provides an organ is given the highest priority to receive an organ later in life. The protagonist must choose whether to continue rebelling or give in to the system.
Enjoyable

The Newest Profession - Phyllis Gotlieb (1982)
Women are paid to be surrogates for genetically modified humans who will have no rights and be sent to colonize worlds unsuitable for humans to generate profits for corporations.
Meh

Legal Rights for Germs - Joe Patrouch (1977)
A satirical story about how concern for anybody is false and profit is all that matters.
Blah

So this year I've done really well on my crypto and basically don't need to work anymore. Given the absolute dearth of good science fiction I think I'm going to try my hand at writing something in the same vein as the expanse but with a substantially lower tech level and no stupid alien shit.

>>19632156
>and basically don't need to work anymore
>in the same vein as the expanse
I envy your bank balance, but not your taste

>>19632069
>>19632072
What is all this

>>19632072
>The young are drafted to provide organs for the old. Anyone who provides an organ is given the highest priority to receive an organ later in life.
Is this meant to be a thinly veiled critique of governmental retirement fund policies?

>>19632300
Oh I'm retarded, it's an anthology review.

I found The Cold Equations comically bad relative to how much it's discussed

Where is the 2021 /sffg/ rankings chart?

>>19629873
people ask about D&D fiction, but what about pathfinder novels and shorts? are they any good?

>>19632480
Check the mega link

>>19632323
That's certainly one way to look at it.

>>19632368
>The Cold Equations comically bad relative to how much it's discussed
I agree.

>>19632480
1. It doesn't exist.
2. Does you mean of all time or just for books published in 2021?

I'll do something for those published in 2021 next month. The /sffg/ has 500 members now. Even so, I don't know if it'll be enough books read in sufficient amounts to make a proper chart.

I'm done with anthologies for the moment. Rest of the year will be collections.

any new books with romance?

>>19632739
Gayyyy

>>19629873
2021 is drawing to a close. There's still no announcement for The Winds of Winter, Thorne of Emberlain or The No-God series.
Only the prologue for Doors of fucking Stone. May 2022 be a better year.

>>19632890
>no cuckfuss and no lynch books
good

>>19632902
>no cuckfuss
Yes cuckfuss, I just told you about the prologue, he read it out loud even. That's what I'm upset about.
I still like Lynch

>>19632912
that prologue was almost definitely done 10 years ago and he hasn't written shit since

the latest lynch book was so shit it put me off him entirely

>>19632890
Gurrrm just flew over my house propelled by his own gas. He said he cannot publish the Winds of Winter in good conscience for as long as there are no more winds of winter because of manmade climate change. It's ogre.

>>19632915
Last I heard the book was 3000 manuscript pages long. That's bigger than To Green Angel Tower...

Rec me some anti-Communist scifi just to piss off the socialist useful idiots here

How terribly boring these threads are when all the Bakkerchads are having their Christmas holidays.

>>19632918
That number is meaningless. If those pages actually existed, it's very possible Martin tossed out half of it and rewrote the rest. He already struggled to get ADWD out, published 6 years after AFFC, even though at least full half of ADWD was just already written unused material that didn't make it into AFFC. It's well known that Martin rewrote Dany's Meereen chapters over and over again. He doesn't have the financial incentive anymore to get a grip on his worst habits as a writer.

filtered by bakker thread in the catalog bakkerchads

>>19632936
Then why don't you post something interesting

Children of Dune gets slandered too much tbqh

>>19633225
I’m currently 30 pages from completing the Heretics of Dune. I must admit that the quality of the books does not go down, it even improves. While I’ve been in alcohol induced waking sleep during the nights I at one point realised that the Tleilaxu don’t have females before it was actually revealed in the book. Also the Axolotl tanks were clearly an influence to Bakker’s Whale-Mothers. There is much more intrigue than in the previous ones.

>>19631364
Just Shadow? imo it gets even better as it progresses, my favorite was Sword of the Lictor but Claw and Citadel were good reads too

Overall would recommend to anyone who enjoys SF/F and isn't a moron

>>19633360
>whale-mothers
And then there’s the huge elephant in the closet, in my opinion... I’ve introduced a LOT of people to the series, with the caveat that they need to go in with an open mind. My mother-in-law is a very avid reader and likes some fantasy books too, and she read through the first trilogy pretty quickly, but felt it was way too male centric... I got the feeling she might have even felt it was sexist but didn’t want to offend me.

That’s fine, I realize the series isn’t for everyone, and I felt that characters like Serwa and Esmenet made frustrating decisions because they were the result of the male dominated world. They were realistic female characters in a misogynistic world (as any medieval fantasy type world would be), not contrived as they are in other fantasy works to make them “strong.”

And it seemed like picking it up 20 years later with the Swayal Witches and Kellhus-reconstructed world would kind of reshape things for women, which it did for some I guess... but Esmenet is still the same frustrating damsel in distress that constantly gets manipulated and needs rescuing.

But most egregious of all was how Bakker approached female Dunyain... I can’t defend his writing anymore from the Bakker is sexist types anymore, I just can’t. Bakker killed off all the female Nonmen, and that’s fine, the Womb-Plague mechanism is realistic, but it robs his world of any good female characters in that department, which, maybe, you know, just rendering them sterile could have accomplished the same thing. But by itself that’s fine. There’s no record of female Inchoroi, although maybe in the second appendix there is (I haven’t quite finished it yet), also fine, but there’s starting to be a pattern develop here.

And then we finally get to see Ishual. I was so excited to see how female full-blooded Dunyain would work, glimpses we’d had through Kellhus were all males. And we’ve found out they’ve breed selectively towards each sex’s strengths: the men are the warriors, the thinkers, the best at everything, but woman’s best feature was as breeding stock? Wtf? Women are better than men in so many areas, such as emotional intelligence, so maybe they could have been the absolute best as reading faces, toying with emotions, but nope, they’re just “whale-mothers.”

why are people so convinced that severian raped Jolenta in Claw of the Conciliator? It was pretty clear that she was well aware of his lust during their boatride, and went along with it. The only issue afterwards was how upset Dorcas got about it. Despite all this, every other booktube or goodreads harpy whines about how rapey BotNS is and hate on the OG mack daddy of Urth himself Severian

Do current year types just suck at reading? Or is the garbage that modern authors crap out that inoffensive and pandering that people can't handle a world that isn't a MeToo approved SafeSpace?

>>19633462
Severian raped all the women he bedded and lied to himself and us about it.

>>19633421
Not sure if copy pasta or wasted error post

>>19633469
Wasted effort*

>>19633469
It's actually copied from an actual post from reddit

The expanse: yea or nay?

>>19633574
It ok in the beginning but later books are garbage

Could someone recommend a title about a protagonists that increasingly grows to resemble the antagonists in his/her journey. Something with themes of corruption, bonus points if it also includes the divine and shying away from God's light.

>>19633788
The Heart of Darkness

>>19633788
The Eisenhorn trilogy

>>19632069
>>19632072
Based tripfag. Keep doing what you're doing

>>19633651
Got any good long-ish sci-fi series you'd recommend? I need a new series to start.

>>19633839
Have you considered Donaldson's Gap Cycle?

>>19630038
>If goodreads ratings are truly indicative of sales
http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2015/10/what-do-goodreads-ratings-say-about.html

>>19633843
I have not, but I am not very intrigued.

>>19633888
Now very intrigued, not not.

>>19633888
I like rape

>>19632936
>>19632967
>Bakerchad

Why are fantasyfags so obsessed with rape?

>>19634024
To hold aloft one's sword or to display proudly their erect member, either way it is a man's romance to penetrate.

>>19629928
I finished this last night and it fucking sucked.

>>19633788
Animal Farm

>>19633380
ye, right now only the first one.
Probably going to read the rest. Just found it kinda anticlimactic how the duel was about him getting cammed.
Thought it would be more important lol

Just finished Cradle. You fags were wrong, this is fun.

>>19634098
I don't feel like reading it because of the shilling, how bad is it?

Where's the chart from few threads ago?

>>19634318
Stephen King tier. Which isn’t the worst thing in the world if I’m being perfectly honest but that doesn’t make it deserving of any sort of “hype” either. Cribbing opening lines from Prufrock and making repeated references to Rimbaud and Joyce do nothing to elevate an otherwise dull text.

>>19630464
New cover post adaptation is my least favorite part of the fantasy novel lifecycle.

>>19634338
1. Which chart?
2. Look in the archive >>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>>19634024
Everyone is obsessed with rape. Fantasyfags are just Chad enough to admit it.

>goodreads nominees and winners
>almost all female writers
Nice. That settles it. Women > men.

>>19634445
sure

>>19629873
PROPOSITION
I,!SFFG.n1h7M, will be reading and writing about 1 book selected by /sffg/ for January.
I'm not using the tripcode for this because it isn't a book write-up.
I've previously posted ~200 write-ups in this thread. There are ~400 of varying length in my Goodreads account.

PROCEDURE
Reply to this post with your nomination.
Only one nomination per post will count.
Preferably you should nominate a book you're interested in reading, but don't know if it'd be worthwhile.
Each anon should voluntarily limit themselves to 1 qualifying nomination post.
If you later realize that your nomination will be disqualified you may post another.

RESULTS
If there's 0 or 1 qualifying nomination, there won't be a vote and a book won't be read.
If there's 6 or more qualifying nominations, nominations will be arbitrarily reduced to 5.
Reasons for why each nomination was disqualified, if any, will be provided.
I will not put forward any nominations of my own or otherwise be involved other than what is described in this post.

DISQUALIFICATIONS
Anything I've previously finished https://pastebin.com/J3y40heP (optional to look at, not all-inclusive)
It must be related to speculative fiction.
It must be in English. If translated, it must be traditionally published.
No webfiction.
If it's in a series, it must be the first book.
Obvious memes, for example: Black Future: An Interracial Sissy Story or Call of the Crocodile
For this first one, greater than roughly 400 pages. Future books may be longer depending on how this goes.
Any of the most highly posted authors in this thread, examples: Bakker, Wolfe
A few other authors for personal reasons.

VOTING
Voting will be held either in a separately created thread or in the next thread, depending on the level of interest.

>>19634469
necroville by ian mcdonald

>>19634445
Women > men.

>>19633421
How are the males any better? They definetly don't have agency. Cnauir and Akka just get played and cuckolded over and over.

And whereas at least Esmenet doesn't do anything particularly evil, Cnauir only takes a break from hetero rape to do gay rape.

Are there any /sffg/ books that are far better as audiobooks as opposed to just read?

>>19634627
Red Rising was fun as audiobooks because they aren't very complicated but have a lot of plot twists so it keeps a road trip interesting.

>>19634632
I'll keep that in mind, but I more meant great narrators or performances or more along those lines. Or something like The Odyssey where it was originally told orally anyway.

When does it get good. Page 76 and I'm booooooored.

>>19634642
Harry Potter

>>19634469
Eh, might as well throw my hat into the ring
The songs of distant earth, Arthur C Clarke

>>19634469
> Spice and Wolf
> Legend of the galactic Heroes
Any comments on these? Couldn't find your reviews in the Archive and don't know your GR handle (If you even have reviewd these there)

Also, I'd suggest The King in Yellow

>>19634301
It is too western, also it kind of turned into romance, having a progression or power fantasy turn into romance is a dumb decision on authors part.

>the leddit inchoroi lied
>xmas has come and gone with no news from bakker
>bakkerposting is dead in the water
chinkshitbros.... we won.
so why does victory feel so hollow?

>>19633796
i was gonna suggest this as well then i remembered that any value it has gets lost under all the repetitive over the top action

>>19634469
Do you at all use the goodreads recommended books feature, and if you do, how well does it function? I am wondering whether or not I should add books to my goodreads account just to get those recommendations.

Why the fuck is isekai so fucking bad? Seriously, what is wrong with nips/gooks/chinks?

>>19635145
Isekai is flawed at its very core. It fails on at least three counts - first, self insert. Second, the core concept harms suspension of disbelief by constantly reminding you of the real world. Finally, and most importantly, isekai always have the lazy, incompetent writing that comes with the protagonist being a fish out of water where everyone simply explains how the world works to him.

>>19635145
Idk, I do enjoy a couple of Isekai stories. Mostly though it's Overlord as a means of coping with my TTRPG abstinence and Konosuba because it's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Never seen a truly good isekai though, that I agree.

>>19634301
with cradle you either like it or you hate it, and you’re going to hear more about it from the people who hated it

>>19635020
Then recommend me something. My main problem is that I can't seem to find epubs to download. I also heard that most Xianxia are not published, they're just webnovels. I can imagine what the lack of an editor does for these stories.

>>19635522
Cradle is the best one

>>19635145
It is not. Faraway Paladin is kino. Grimgar is ok. Ni No Kuni is good for what it is.
Isekai itself is not inherently flawed, it is only as good as the author is. The problem is not Isekai it is Narou. Narou is the Japanese equivalent of RoyalRoad, so a bunch of fags who read ten billion times the same cheap powerfantasy story with a slightly different gimmick on top. A bunch of Narou light novels get made into animu and colour the impression of entire genres. Isekai are not shit because Isekai is shit, they are shit because they are from Narou and Narou is shit.<span class="fortune" style="color:#2dfc53">

Your fortune: Your heart grew three sizes![/spoiler]

>>19635548
When can we go back to the days of Escaflowne and El Hazard

>>19635522
See >>19629882
it is one of the best xanxia novels, it is on b-ok
also check portal wars saga, it is western progression fantasy, it is not bad but not very long, check out Martial world (xanxia), I am currently reading The human emperor, it is not bad.
Most of these more popular WNs in ereader format can be found typing novel name + epub in google

>weebnovel faggotry
You're not turtley enough for the Turtle Club. Leave /sffg/.

>>19635593
>t. filtered by Cradle

>>19635568
Hopefully when (if?) Isekai stops being mainstream so that the publishers no longer need to drink straight from the Narou toilet to get new shows. Then an Isekai light novel needs to show merit again to become famous.

Prolly still a few years off, Mushoku Tensei showed there is still plenty of fuel in that tank.

>>19635319
I enjoyed cradle in the beginning but it really became too western.
I feel that the author like many others can't write and advance plot without female characters being present.
I have seen it so many times, it starts out well but then at some point there is no one left but mc and 3 or 4 female characters, and plot only moves forward because of female characters, sure maybe other characters male and female but they mostly unimportant. This seems to be the case with cradle.

>>19635631
>Cradle has too many female characters
You can't get more incel than me and I'm just shaking my head

>>19635650
I am serious, the amount of drama and romance in cradle is probably 100 times than in chinese progression/cultivation novel. It makes sense because it is western and the author is probably aiming at every possible audience, won't be surprised if gay and black characters appear later on

>>19635548
is the faraway paladin anime worth watching?

>>19633462
In the fifth book Severian himself describes what he did with Jolenta as essentially rape.

>>19635631
I don't get what you're saying. There's literally two main characters that are female, and one of them isn't even that proeminent, except for one book.

>le cradle
>le reverend inZanity
i miss bakkerposting

>>19635714
You're insane. The books are completely sexless until book 7. And there's only romance only start in book 8.

Quick fellow/lit/izens! I just got a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to burn...

I need ideas/recommendations Stat!

The higher brow the fiction the better! Preferably science fiction!!

>>19635810
Spend it on non-pozzed, non-sjw, non-feminist, non-commie and non-unbased Books

>>19635821
So don't spend it?

>>19635821
I said science fiction. Not Bakkerfag fantasy.

>>19635830
LMAOOOOO.... GOTTEM

>>19635788
Yes, books 1-6 are excellent

>>19635745
The girlfriend, girlfriends master, sister, all the females from that clan of that giant woman (I forgot the name), the person who changed future/time and brought back Lindon from the dead, even that blue spirit that or whatever that is who cleanses Lindons black flame is female (in appearance), in what fucking universe can this be an acceptable male dominated power/progression fantasy?

>>19635834
just buy non-sci-fi then, make sure it has rape

Who created the "Precursor" trope? What's the earliest example?

>>19634469
Earth Abides

>>19635885
Do you mean just ancient ayys or specifically precursors that created humans?

>>19635899
Either

>>19635548
>kino

>>19635548
> No No Cunny
Fucking animeposters, I swear to God

>>19635844
How fucking gay to you have to be to think that fantasy should only have males?

>>19635943
Lovecraft was probably one of the first even if his concept of alien precursors doesn't quite align with the trite that usually gets bandied around as a precursor race nowadays

>>19636149
Yeah, Lovecraft sucks though. Fish people aliums is gay AF.

>>19636138
Because when there are females it almost 99% of the time turn into drama and romance, that is why it is better to have strong male cast with as few females as possible (in unimportant side supporting roles)

Anyone read this? Looking for a long series and this apparently just dropped book 13 and I've never heard of it. I haven't read any in a while, but I used to love military sci-fi like The Lost Fleet.

>>19636167
Lovecraft doesn't suck. I think a lot of his stuff still holds up.

Any novels that subvert the reader's expectations of the setting like the story is supernatural based with things like people who are ESPers or have super human abilities but it's revealed things like magic, dragons, and Gods are actually real?

>>19636285
Eh, modern imitators of his tropes have done leaps and bounds better than he ever could

>DUDE COLD WET FISH
>DUDE TENTACLES THOUGH, LMAO

>>19636392
You've never read Lovecraft if you think that.

>>19636423
Lovecraft is more like
>He opened the door and discovered the black woman's egg laying chamber

>>19636261
>Review from Vic, Amazon customer
I'm sold.

>>19636261
>>19636466
kek

>>19635729
He says some may say it was, but he never saw it that way and from everything the books led on neither did Jolenta. Her despair/suicide were a result of Dr Talos rejecting and robbing her and the necessary maintenance she needed going undone

I think Gene Wolfe threw that line in Urth as a kinda dig at the people focusing on the boat scene between sev and jolenta, but I wasn't around back then so I don't know if people were as fussy(I'm inclined to think not as bad as today)

>>19634737
The introduction is very long and the trilogy is suffering porn i don't recommend it.

>>19629873
Are there any grimdark Sci fi or fantasy that isn’t Black Library horseshit?

>>19636775
you mean non-pozzed and non-unbased?

>>19636775
Unironically Tolkien, the Children of Húrin.

>>19636853
non-ironically unbased

>>19636846
Yeah.

>>19634024
As the other anon said, everyone is obsessed with rape. But the typical medieval fantasy provides you with a little veneer of plausible deniability that allows a man to pursue his rape fetish more openly. You can alway fall back on saying that including rape and wanton violence is just based on actual world history, making a work more realistic, all while you get to masturbate furiously.

>>19632489
the only D&D fiction you need is Dragonlance

Captcha: KKK AG

>>19636968
Bakker's The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19629873
Are any of Warhammer books any good? What's the best book in that? I can give it a try.
I've never read/played anything related to WarHammer, and have no idea besides the wargame visuals I've seen on /tg/

The Darkess That Comes After

>>19637198
Basically anything by Dan Abnett is pretty great, though things like Cain and Gaunts ghosts should be read in spurts, he does repeat stuff sometimes.

>>19637050
Drizz't is forgotten realms

>>19634884
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
This series very nicely fills a certain space opera niche that almost no others have for me. These aren't light novels. It's a Japanese SF series. How much difference that makes is a matter of debate though. There are 10 books in the series. The anime OVA is better, though it is rather slow to start It's difficult to say whether the TV series is better or not because it was my third time with the material, but I lean towards that the adapted works tend to have slight edge at least. As with any translated work of this nature, it's certainly not be to be read for the prose and there are some rough patches and mistakes because paying a translator, editor, and proofreader to do a suitable job isn't their highest priority.

>Spice and Wolf
I watched the anime first, then started the light novels and the manga. I don't expect the anime to ever be continued and the manga was rather abridged and lacking. I've read 21/23 novels currently out of this series. Over the course of these volumes the story rather changes, especially from 17 where it originally ended in 2011, and then more so 18 onwards when it restarted in 2016. In 2016 a spin-off light novel series also began, but I haven't cared enough to read it. For me personally, it hasn't justified how long it's gone on and I didn't care for its eventual change in thematic content and style. It starts out mostly about trading, adventure, drama, and action. From around the 17th onwards, it's almost entirely a slice-of-life romance series and little else. In this case that didn't work as well for me. From time the time the novels are collections of stories rather than a continuous narrative and I didn't care for those as much either. Sometimes I just get burned out on something and like it less overall. This has been one of those cases.

>>19635126
As far as I'm concerned, the Goodreads personal recommendations system is utter trash and I doubt that's much different for anyone else. Their general recommendation system that shows others people what aggregated members like is considerably better. Anyone can view that. So, no, you shouldn't add them for that reason. The last time I added a major batch of books that I may read was last year when I went through all the profiles in the Goodreads group while I was doing stuff and added whatever looked interesting. I have basically all the /sffg/ members in my activity feed and I check it relatively often. Some interesting stuff has come up from that. Other than that, it's mostly brute force checking stuff out, which most don't have the time or inclination to do. I still don't do well at picking out that I enjoy for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that I haven't prioritized reading what I think I'll enjoy the most. I have no idea what the best way for any given person would be to find new books. I still think that someone who has extremely similar taste is a good bet, but that's often too difficult.

>>19637317
>We noticed you liked this based story with heterosexual characters, we recommend you read cringe faggot story next!

>>19634301
Cradle is sublime.

>>19637317 continued Goodreads thoughts

https://www.goodreads.com/new_releases/2021/12
Can be helpful because it shows new releases from authors you've read for a given month. It's possible to go backwards and forwards in time. I think it makes it a bit easier to keep track anyway.

https://www.goodreads.com/new_releases/2021/12?tab=by_genre
The genre tab only shows a few, so it's rather limited use overall, probably.

https://www.goodreads.com/list
Really depends on the quality of the list, much like any chart in the OP, which I'm the maintainer of. Though, I haven't really found any worthwhile books from this that I didn't already know about that I can recall. Maybe others would fare better.

https://www.goodreads.com/explore
Not really much use either.

https://www.goodreads.com/news
Meh

https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-books-2021
Probably not that relevant for the average anon.

https://www.goodreads.com/genres/
Shows some new release in a genre, but probably better off with more detailed release schedules

Are there any space fantasy stories? No technology. All magic to travel through space.

>>19637450
you didn't clarify if you want it non-sjw or not

>>19637450
Rhialto the Marvelous has one chapter with this

>>19633421
Is this some gay reddit bait?
This is a world with murder goblins who rape people’s stab wounds while their victims are bleeding out, but you draw the line at author didn’t mindlessly shit out MORE retarded egalitarian propaganda?

this quest arc in the judging eye with cleric and kosoter and sarl is really kind of cringe, you can just picture some autist in d&d playing a badass captain who inexplicably doesnt talk and another player who's better at taking playing sarl. I mean it's literally just a d&d crew, too obviously, and it's pissing me off

>>19637570
Alas, the personal problem of disillusionment is ever more more painful when you have such high expectations.

>>19636775
Never read it but that Bakker shit sounds edgy as fuck

It's been awhile since I blew through a book so quickly, but I still can't decide whether I actually liked it.

I like most of its constituent parts, and sometimes I even enjoyed its ambulatory nature. The entries describing the encounters with the albatross family are great and the 192nd hall are great. But overwhelmingly I felt frustrated by its pace. Piranesi is obviously a person with a sense for immaculate detail, but past a certain point the preciseness of his journal entries cease to illustrate the type of person he is and become noise to be glossed over to reach the next plot point.

I'd like to see it adapted to film, although I think it would be difficult to illustrate just how callow Piranesi is without resorting to voiceovers

Hmm, based on how much Piranesi reads have increased, I probably should do an updated 2020 books read. Maybe reading books is delayed even more than I thought. Could be an interesting comparison.

>>19637717
>It's been awhile since I blew through a book so quickly
It was the same for me. This book seems to have that effect on some readers.
I've noticed some comments wishing it had been pared down to a novella and some wishing it were much longer, so maybe that means it's actually just about the right length. It was hard for me to get annoyed with the ambling early chapters when I knew how short the book was and could see how quickly I was tearing through it. Some of the journal entries may be long, but I feel like there was always something revealing in each one. The only parts I started to gloss over were the dates, which unfortunately caused me to miss something important about what was going on when he visited the One-Hundred-and-Ninety-Second Western Hall! I had already fallen completely in love with the character of Piranesi by the third entry, so overall I didn't regret any time spent in his world.

Of course I would love to see and hear the House come to life on screen, but I don't think the story could be adapted to film without losing its essential character. Piranesi's peculiar priorities control what the reader learns, and there are many details that trace the emotional arc of the story (from completely alien to mundane) revealed well into the story that would be given away instantaneously on film. For example, I liked how my mental image of Piranesi shifted into focus over time.

>>19635145
Because this shit is so much better to you westacucks, isn't it?

>>19637777
It's just the Hugos that reminded everyone about it. There was probably a blip in reads when the Hugo nominations came out, too. When I read it (like, a week ago) I didn't know anything about it except the publisher's blurb and the fact that some people were bummed it didn't win best novel at the Hugos, but after finishing it and doing some research, I realized that I had probably heard about it a couple years ago when it was announced (a year ahead of publication) and forgotten about it. The description of the House was so much like dreams I've had that I just mentally filed away "huh, there's gonna be a book about infinite dream architecture, neat" and nothing else.

>>19635715
Ask on /a/, I don't watch anime made after 2000 anymore. Manga is good tho.

>>19637791
It would definitely lose some of what makes it compelling as a book in an adaption, unless there were some fuckery like a second framing device to simulate a reader's ignorance, but I think it would be worthwhile. My biggest concern would be the ending. The conclusion is so focused on Piranesi's internal world that it would probably just be simpler to cut the final chapter entirely and have it conclude with 16 asking Piranesi if he'd like to visit the outside world

>>19634338
Here is a version of it. Have not had the time to update it during Christmas holidays.
>inb4 thread gets flooded by angry opinions about a chart that is not yet completed and is clearly needing some adjustments

>>19638010

>>19637717
>>19637777
>>19637791
How "current year" is Piranesi? Is it tolerable, or is it too busy trying to cater to "modern audiences"

>>19638091
Not remotely. It doesn't even pass the Bechdel test

>>19638112
>Doesn't pass the Bechdel test
>Written by a woman
Really makes you think

>>19638174
Most good stories shouldn't pass the Bechdel test. It requires at least two female characters (which might be as much as 2/3 of your entire cast of characters) and they can't talk about any male characters - so if you have two female characters and one male character there's probably nothing for the two to even talk about

> reading pic related
How are the other books?
I just reached chapter ''Guns under the table'' and I hate it. The first 2 parts of the book were good. I liked how the spaceship was introduced and described. I liked how characters were revealed, I loved Arkadys shenanigans. I started to like it less when they landed and spend the first year on Mars. It was very non-scientific. But I still liked how characters had hardships and what the focuses of the colony were and the mystery going on.
But then I got to the ''20 years later'' part and I hate it. It's politics-fiction, not science-fiction. Does it get better? It seems like author self inserted as those perverted characters in their sixties. It seems like author wanted to show that haha old people are cool too.

>>19638221
>and they can't talk about any male characters
It's considered a pass if they talk about anything besides another male character. Talking about another male character it's a fail

>>19638351
*Talking about a male character isn't a fail

Recommend non-"current year" and non-"modern audience" books

>>19638362
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19638362
Gene Wolfe

Modern audience and Current Years won't stand a chance against the Bakker

>>19636438
>Shriveling from the unnatural portent tearing at him like a bone-chilling gale, he opened the wormwooded door, despite the implied warnings of the otherworldly runes of suggestive antiquity. As the noxious vapors pouring from the ancient chamber engulfed him, he saw in the darkness the faint outline of the structure, and was immediately struck by the terrible surmise of it's use to those peculiar creatures. The shapes and glyphs immediately summoned recall of certain images in the dreaded Necronomicon of the Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred. Though he never he ceased to regret reading that dreaded tome in the secret library of Miskatonic University, what he saw behind the door in the damp and moldy cellar of the antediluvian house will ever be a greater nightmare to haunt him.
Fucking love H.P. tho

>>19638010
>Still no Lem
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

>>19638379
b4 my friend

>>19637198
Seconding most works by Dan Abnett being actually not trash, which is fucking amazing for how low the rest of the stuff sets the bar.
>I've never read/played anything related to WarHammer
Don't read Horus Heresy then, even the books written by Dan Abnett.

>>19638362
Cradle

>>19633225
Children get much worse perception due to sticking out like a sore thumb on the series.

>>19638362
Piranesi

>>19632930
Beetle in the Anthill

Battle of Hurin's Keep

very non-pozzed and non-unbased

Does this have an actual plot? So far it's been episodic. I stop at the "omg my sister is leveling up :O" part and I'm like who cares?

>>19638010
>Malazan
>still in A and not like B at best
Hmmm

>>19638296
The other books aren't as good if you're looking for hard sci-fi. I had to keep putting them down and then coming back to them in order to finish them. There's a lot of politics, but the constitutional convention is one of the better chapters. The other political stuff and intrigue isn't necessary to the main story.

>>19637198
for 40k, most of the Horus Heresy books are better than the standard 40k books, but read one or two of those before jumping into the heresy.

>>19638737
I am accepting of books being off from my opinion by one tier. I mean, The Witcher and Revelation Space are also in the A tier somehow - but trying to figure out whether this or that is really A or B and B or C is an infinite autism abyss. It's only S placings that need to be really challenged.

>>19638727
Another victim of the meme

>>19638915
good, I'm dropping Red Mars then.

>>19638727
Book 1 is the worst. Plot only starts kicking in near the end. Book 2 is better, but plot also starts kicking in about halfway. From then on, it's all plot.

>>19637198
>>19638915


Recent series with the book Pariah is really good and far and away some of the best 40khas to offer. The lore you need to know isn't too much and the quality of the writing and the setting is such that it keeps you enthralled.

Abnett is carrying this fandom on his back

>>19634469
The Gods Themselves

>be reading the First Law Trilogy
>think Joe Abercrombie isn’t half as bad as /lit/ makes him out to be
>sure the prose isn’t great but it’s passable
>the world building and narrative keep it interesting
>and the characters are engaging
>get bored by book three and take a break to start The Wizard Knight
>oh
>oh my
Abercrombie really is trash. I forgot just how good good writing can be. Also it’s refreshing to have a main character whose defining traits aren’t self doubt, arrogance, or just generally being a dick.

>>19639212
The Edge Lords books are surprisingly good.

>>19639229
Before They Are Hanged was good and had some really great moments, but the 3rd is so cliche and walks back on some of its rules, Ferro is such a useless character

>>19639264
I did like the second book. But you’re right about the 3rd. All the characters seem to be backsliding, Ferro is basically out of the picture- which I’m actually okay with-, and all the plot beats are telegraphed from a mile away.

>>19638362
coldfire trilogy

>>19639229
Abercrombie isn't half bad, /lit/ is just edgy because he is a newcomer.
It is hard for any genre author to stand up to Wolfe.

>>19638727
It was written for mentally stunted people. Like all chinkshit. Pic very much related.

Defining Characteristic of a Genre/Subgenre, which can be mixed to create more
Literary: Prose (How well it's written)
Science Fiction: Ideas (How much it makes you think)
Fantasy: Characters (What they Do)
Horror: Plot (What is done to the characters)
Romance: Sentiment (How emotional it makes the reader)
Thriller: Excitement (self-descriptive)
Mystery: Intrigue (How much it makes you consider)
Suspense: Anticipation (How much tension is created)
Comedy: Humor (How mirthful it is)
-punk: Aesthetic (verisimilitude of an ideal)
Speculative: if/then (not quite any of the above)

Thoughts on this random stuff I typed up?

>>19638401
secoding this, i read it last week and i liked it. it has some flaws and loses a bit of steam in the second half, once you figure out pretty much what's going on, but it's worth a read. and it's pretty short book

What the fuck am I reading?

>>19637717
you gotta give some slack on realism (this character shouldn't be noticing this thing but not this other thing etc). i was also bugged by lots of details but the story keeps a good pace, the prose is good, and the author can always blame whatever issue we mention on the convenient fact that the house makes you a bit mad

how did you find the pace bad? my main issue was taht i lost interest at some point in the second half of the plot, but i don't think it's badly paced

>>19638091
i was annoyed by a couple weird things that are dropped out of nowhere but nothing important

Any good Dune channel on youtube? Just finished reading Dune Messiah.

As much as I love Book of the New Sun, I find myself disappointed that a number of characters seem to have unresolved/hanging fates. I feel like too many characters have non-endings that we're left hanging and wondering the fate of-Dorcas, Agia, Dr Talos, Thea, both Masters(but esp Gurloes). Is Gene Wolfe one of those authors who can't write satisfying endings?

>>19639854
yes

>>19638727
I liked Unsouled but overall it's very weak. It takes a literal deus ex machina to get the story going. Luckily it's short and Soulsmith and Blackflame get more interesting when it starts being about a very high magic world.

>>19639690
Western design is all good except he is also gay faggot tranny metrosexual who is fucking his sister, his brother and his dog

>>19639838
I couldn't get into it. Eastern fantasy is basically reverend insanity, everything else is mostly not worth your time

>>19629873
>reading the Foundation series
>overcome with a desire to learn math and physics
Should've expected it.

>>19640149
Is it really magic though?

>>19640355
Magic is so advanced its indistinguishable from technology. That's why the angels have robot assistants.

>>19634469
Piranesi

>>19640293
I just feel like I'm reading a play. I don't know if it reads better in Chinese, but it's weird having characters stop to speak their thoughts out loud.

>>19639690
>>19640282

unfortunately this, western design these days is slap as many minority labels on a carbon copy mary sue and actively attack anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the agenda. Burn down all western entertainment to own the chuds!

> want to open a blog where I write about my stories

>esl

>my language has really not much to go around, maybe just baionette librarie, and thats saying a lot

>>19640766
what are some kind of aboriginal?

>>19639844
>Just finished reading Dune Messiah.
perfect, now stop

>>19640329
Don't fall for this meme. I chose to study Maths maybe because of Foundation and it's nothing like the books. I'm nowhere closer to predicting the fall of our civilization nor to developing psychic powers

>>19640908

why would you think that?

>>19634233
I’m the same as you. I was a bit underwhelmed by the first book, loved the setting and worldbuilding, and severian, but I was expecting a bit more to happen after the setup. Do things pick up?

>>19640927
How come? I heard God Emperor is fantastic.

Did one of you fags recommend this to me a while back? It was on my wishlist and free on audible, so I decided to give it a try. Don't know how I would have found it if someone here didn't recommend it. Couple chapters in now and a bit on the fence. Seems a bit standard and I'm fairly certain I've already predicted at least one major "twist." with the boats being the main draw and I'm not sure if there's enough boat to stick with it yet.

>>19630528
I just finished the Expanse series. I enjoyed it. I usually get tired after a couple books of a series, but I didn't want this series to end. I've never read the Witcher series.

anyone read these?

I don't think i've ever read a single western fantasy book that has a cute girl in it.
That's honestly surprising to me.

anyone read these?

>>19641007
I only read the first chapter of Shadow and Sea

>>19640957
Because your own native language is insufficient to even write a small blog on internet? Are you a mongol? you can talk about horses all day long but a couple of paragraphs of story is not just possible?

>>19641078

???

>>19641067
I guess writing cute characters would be hard, they seem borderline retarded 99% of the time

>>19641067
But you just posted one? Sansa is cute too. Granted though, Martin is setting both of them up to be subversions. If Martin dies tomorrow from his own body fat collapsing on itself, then the last thing he'll ever have published about Dany would be how she was in the process of shitting herself to death. Not a high note to leave on and certainly not cute.

>>19641392
a used goods whore isn't cute

>>19641067
Yeah it's gotten to point where romance in a western book is annoying to me and i'd rather they just focus on the plot.
But with light novels and stuff i actually like the romance since it's cute.

>>19641427
Sansa is still a virgin and chances are Martin will never get to the part where he defiles and corrupts her.

>gf gifted me the full Dying Earth series
Did she do good or should i leave her?

>>19641529
Post her

>>19640282
Shit western shit is shit, news at 11. Good western fantasy mogs any and all chinkshit to ever exist though, which was my point.

>>19641602
>Good western fantasy mogs any and all chinkshit to ever exist though, which was my point
good western fantasy is limited, when I finish reading good fantasy what do I do then?

>>19641766
Read it again?

>>19630868
Laird Barron and John Langan get sucked off more on reddit than any other horror writer. Barron is mostly shit and has the same issues as Thomas Ligotti, where everything just blends together and becomes too abstract and nihilistic. Langan at least is a very varied horror writer.

>>19641067
"Cuteness" in girls and "femininity" more generally are problematic concepts to incorporate in a story. They reinforce patriarchal notions about the ideal makeup of society as well as outdated gender relations and expressions in their readers, and in that way they directly contribute to the ongoing oppression of actual flesh-and-blood women and girls today. This problem is further compounded by simultanously depriving those very same women and girls of positive strong role models in popular culture, which informs moral attitudes among many common people, often more strongly than education and upbringing. If we wish to end the oppression of women and girls and strive towards a truly egalitarian society, we cannot allow cute girls with all their toxic baggage and implications to appear in fiction. "Cuteness" brings real tangible harm into the world. Morally upstanding authors who are capable of critical thought will always come to this same conclusion and write their stories accordingly. Female characters should not be cute, but rather presented as independent, capable and powerful in their own right. This is what Western authors excel in and are rightfully proud of.

>>19641783
yes, reread 10 times, that is optimal solution

>>19641766
Write your own, duh.

>>19640927
This.

what does lit or sffg think of mother of learning?

i wasn't expecting anything from web novels since there are so many bad fantasy books, but i was pleasantly surprised.

I don't know why but I'm reading Larry Niven's Inferno right now.

lbr w/o mkt

I am consistently butthurt that there is no commercially available ebook version of Frederik Pohl's Gateway.

>>19641067
Gene Wolf's lolis are extremely cute.

>>19639764
wouldn't fantasy be more about the world? but i guess characters is fine too

>>19633380
Just finished Sword of the Lictor and it's been my favorite so far as well. On Cidatel of the Autarch now but the first paragraph had me hooked.

>>19635810
I would recommend Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. If you're looking for high brow science fiction I don't know many authors who match him.

>>19639840
>how did you find the pace bad?
I wouldn't call it bad, just frustrating. Probably the best example is the other police officer interviewing Piranesi. The story is practically done by that point, the reader doesn't need to be told that 16 is brave, they entered an unknown plane of existence to save someone they've never met. I'm sure some readers enjoyed seeing how Piranesi dealt with inquiry from someone who has never been to the labyrinth but I found it superfluous

>>19641602
False answer. You only get true, defined good through sublating your evil, fallible characters and exposing them to the Absolute. This is why Bakker is KING.

>>19639854
>Is Gene Wolfe one of those authors who can't write satisfying endings?
I've never read a Wolfe book with a satisfying ending. Short Sun comes close though

>>19639229
Haven't read any Ambercrombie but this >>19639477 anon is right. Wolfe is a master, almost no-one will be as good as him.

>>19639844
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1rFmaGLYr0Ve_Y_soxZNWQ

I read Shadow of the Torturer. It was interesting enough. Good prose. But it seemed like a bunch of disjointed sketches and some of the attempts at reaching for deeper material (the whole Theseus's ship parallel with DNA comes to mind) felt pretty shallow. Does it get better?

>>19642595
The sketch-oriented nature of the books never bothered me since I feel Wolfe is more of a literary artist, painting pictures with his prose. There's a bit of depth in the actual story, but even there the depth is more in the setting and less in what's actually happening.

>>19641827
Imagine someone actually believing this

I used to love sci fi books

But then I upgraded to actual physics and math and I find sci-fi very stupid now.

Also, Book of the new sun was one of the first fantasy/sci-fi works I read and it kind of ruined fantasy literature as a whole. Nothing else came anywhere close.

I wish I could find an epic modern sci fi series to fall in love with but everything new seems to be written and praised by people I want nothing to do with, and I say that as a leftist.

Is the expanse worth it? That one has been kind of on my radar since way back when it started but eh. It’s hard to tell if it’s actually good or just anon derivative work with little in the 3ay of new ideas.

>>19642595
>disjointed sketches
That’s a great way of describing it yes. It’s a collection of sketches that has many layers and things to figure out on your own.

If that doesn’t sound enticing to you then stop now.

>>19642501
The Wizard

>>19630528
The expanse is pretty good. The earlier books are better than the latter. Book 8 is absolute filler and book 9 was good. IIRC they could have ended the series around book 4-6 and it would have been just as well.

>>19630868
>why do fags love this so much.
>all it is degenerate gay sex.
Why even post?

>>19642846
>I wish I could find an epic modern sci fi series to fall in love
Why modern

wtf??

>>19643110

>>19643100
I’ve already read quite a number of the classics! I truly loved them but now I would like to find something good and modern, if such a thing even exists.

>>19642846
Oh, ok, try reading the more difficult of Greg Egan's books.

>>19643110
I got the same result on F-List, majorly disappointing.

>>19643110
>>19643527
Can you faggots just go back to r*ddit already.

I can strongly recommend CJ Cherryh for light science fiction. She's very prolific, and almost all of her books are winners. Although science fiction is her genre, she also has done some fantasy and the Fortress of Time series is really a masterpiece. She builds a world that the reader can easily believe to be a real place.

>>19641602
>picrelated
Why yes, I do remember the clear moral instruction in the Iliad and clear definition of Good and Evil in the Aeneid.

>>19643548
>I can strongly recommend CJ Cherryh for light science fiction
I read the Chanur series just recently, and all of it kinda sucked.

>>19642846
Read Greg Egan and Stanislaw Lem.

>>19642924
Correct take.

>>19642924
I lost interest after Miller left the scene.

>>19642144
I enjoyed it! Stories like that (progression, practicing/learning new skills to become stronger, etc.) are some of my favorites. I think my one complaint was that it dragged on a bit towards the end, and I thought the fact that he just killed himself in the real world was kind of unsatisfying, since he’d had so many smart ideas/resolutions before then. But the worldbuilding was fantastic, and the plotlines were resolved well in the end. I’ll note that I enjoy other web novels and self-published books, so I wouldn’t recommend it for people who don’t like those types of books.

>>19637413
https://www.goodreads.com/book/friend_reading
for those who have a considerable number of friends.

>>19643548
>I can strongly recommend a roastie author
No.

>>19643637
God forbid you actually read anything.

>>19643722
>/sffg/
>reading

>>19643722
People who read roastie garbage might as well not read anything.

>>19643795
We know you don’t read.

>>19643548
>black and/or female writer
I do not read that book.

>>19643876
You don’t read at all.

>>19643799
>>19643902
seethe more roastbeef

>>19641529
She did gud. Reward her with some quality dicking.

>The First Apocalypse destroyed the great Norsirai nations of the North. Only the South, the Ketyai nations of the Three Seas, survived the onslaught of the No-God, Mog-Pharau, and his Consult of generals and magi. The years passed, and the Men of the Three Seas forgot, as Men inevitably do, the horrors endured by their fathers. Empires rose and empires fell: Kyraneas, Shir, Cenei. The Latter Prophet, Inri Sejenus, reinterpreted the Tusk, the holiest of artefacts, and within a few centuries the faith of Inrithism, organized and administered by the Thousand Temples and its spiritual leader, the Shriah, came to dominate the entire Three Seas. The great sorcerous Schools, such as the Scarlet Spires, the Imperial Saik, and the Mysunsai, arose in response to the Inrithi persecution of the Few, those possessing the ability to see and work sorcery. Using Chorae, ancient artefacts that render their bearers immune to sorcery, the Inrithi warred against the Schools, attempting, unsuccessfully, to purify the Three Seas. Then Fane, the Prophet of the Solitary God, united the Kianene, the desert peoples of the southwestern Three Seas, and declared war against the Tusk and the Thousand Temples. After centuries and several jihads, the Fanim and their eyeless sorcerer-priests, the Cishaurim, conquered nearly all the western Three Seas, including the holy city of Shimeh, the birthplace of Inri Sejenus. Only the moribund remnants of the Nansur Empire continued to resist them.
Do bakkertrannies really

>>19644001
Why are you trying to stir shit? Get a life.

>>19644004

>>19644011
Nah, he’s right. Why are you trying to start shit?

>>19643575
Any webnovels like Darkest Dungeon

>>19644004
>>19644016
Stop samefagging, butthurt bakkertroon

>>19644030
Get a life instead of trying to start shit on some basket weaving forum.

>>19644023
That would be sweet. Eldritch Horror needs more love.

>>19644075
>Eldritch Horror needs more love.
I recommend reading Thomas Ligotti, Caitlin Kiernan, and John Langan. They're good in what they write.

>>19644083
Will do.

New thread
>>19644087

>>19641827
Is this a new pasta? I fucking keked. I sincerely hope this is a new attempt at pasta and you didn't mean it for real.

>>19638010
i'll point out the glaring errors
>malazan being difficult to read
>silmarillion not being further along the difficulty scale than lotr (not to mention wheel of time and name of the wind)
>the complete hateboner/lack of objectivity for KJ Parker's 16 Ways... book
>that dire witcher book being in A
suggestion for the "5" difficulty-tier, since it's looking pretty threadbare - Voice of the Fire by Alan Moore
suggestions for A1: The Last Unicorn by Peter S. Beagle, and The Princess Bride

This is really good. Why don’t I see anyone post about it here?

>>19643543
Ching Chong Long Pong this is cultivation story of Small Dong.

>>19637198
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>>19639212
Turns out Warhammer, and Warhammer 40k are (not) the same thing, One fantasy, one scifi.

I have decided to start with Trollslayer. I'll read some WH Fantasy, then as you guys have suggested, will move on to Heresy books.

To be honest, Trollslayer reads more like a one-shot tabletop rpg session than a proper story. Don't get me wrong, it's cozy kill-time reading, but it's almost like fan-fiction tier at this point. Are all the books like that?

>>19641529
She knows what's good. As a thank you, you should let her get fucked by other men while you read Vance.

>>19645385
I liked time of legends from whfb. Gotrek and Felix are okay too.

>>19645385
>Turns out Warhammer, and Warhammer 40k are (not) the same thing, One fantasy, one scifi.
I'm still surprised to learn that people don't know this.