/lit/ - Literature

>>19616213
>And more importnatly, do you think that Canada has a strong enough national identity that its literature is truly a canon unto itself?

No. There exists this term "North American culture" that exists purely so Canadians can subtly embolden their own culture by tieing it to the United States. No other North American country tries to form a collective identity out of the whole continent like this. Not America, not Mexico, not Panama, not Haiti; nobody but Canadians because they know they are culturally indistinguishable from Americans 99% of the time.

Bear

Canadian identity is being "not Britain" for a while and then being "not America". It's about negation rather than anything else. Weirdly, this is why I'm supportive of indigenous literature. At least they're trying to be original, even if they're drug addicts.

>>19616213
Honestly OP just read The Bush Garden by Northrop Frye and draw your own conclusions

Would add that poets like Irving Layton and Archibald Lampman are worth a read though - Morley Callaghan is also decent, and he moved in the similar modernist circles in post-war Paris as Hemingway and others

>>19616394
>There exists this term "North American culture" that exists purely so Canadians can subtly embolden their own culture by tieing it to the United States. No other North American country tries to form a collective identity out of the whole continent like this. Not America

Not true, especially when speaking of 'culture', as US media has long consider Canada a domestic market. It was American business interests that made Canada a part of the North American monoculture.

>>19616213
Why can’t you be content with Atwood? She’ll be the only Canadian author remembered 100 years from now

>>19616213
A true Canuck if there ever were one.

>>19616213
>Do we have an identity
yes, we're the scum of the earth
>canadian lit
there isn't any
>Any other somewhat-unknown Canadian authors that you guys have found worthy?
none, it's all worthless shit
>do you think that Canada has a strong enough national identity that its literature is truly a canon unto itself?
hell no. every single canadian with more than a quarter of a brain should be ashamed of this disgusting hell on earth of a nation and seek to emigrate. canadians are illiterate, subhuman animals who are too stupid to produce anything of value. literally a nation of worthless, subhuman animals that deserves to be nuked.

>>19616213
No one ever talks about Emily Carr, but Klee Wyck is great.

>>19616213
>Any other somewhat-unknown Canadian authors that you guys have found worthy?
Marie Clarie-Blais (who died a week or so ago; known for being edgy and dark...not for its own sake but because she didn't shy away from disturbing themes)
Mavis Gallant (referred to as "a writer's writer" in regard to her technical skill--being able to maintain brevity but get an amazing density in her characterization and theme)
>do you think that Canada has a strong enough national identity that its literature is truly a canon unto itself?
It had the potential to be but mass immigration and the politically forced idea of "multiculturalism" has rendered a "Canadian project" a non-starter. Nick Mount, a professor at U of T, wrote a book and made a series of brief lectures--both titled "Arrival" about the emergence of such in the 50s/60s/70s. However, we won't see the continuation of such now because everything will be about immigrant experiences and disdain towards any semblance of Canadian nationalism, no matter how small. The publishing industry no longer values honestly or innovation based on an established tradition or national character.

1/5 "Canadians" weren't born in Canada. We've severed the past.

I found Mordecai Richler to be a tedious exercise in ethnic narcissism. Being Jewish isn't that interesting.

>>19617070
She's Canada's most famous painter (at least by her own name, rather than the random combination of borderline John Doe names that are under the title of the Group of Seven.) The most prestigious and well-known art school is named after her (in that way alone known to most arty teens.) Her art is all over mugs and calendars available at corner drugstores. Her ubiquity is Terry Foxian. The mint made coins of her work in the 2010s, there have been stamps made up by Canada Post in the 70s, 90s. 5 of the 50 bestselling books on Canadian Art on Amazon Canada are just about Emily Carr, including her journals, a biography and mongraphs, so it's a wide range of interest.

>>19616213
No. The only identity up here is posing as a country somehow more enlightened than the US. It's really cringe considering the US is what makes Canada work. If we didn't have the US economy this country would be a shade shittier than it already is.

Literature? That one lady who complains about men renting women's cunts for kids in a dystopian setting. There are also the various authors complaining about indigenous atrocities; even though the biggest atrocity is the fact that even after millions of dollars worth of handouts they STILL cant get over themselves. Blah-blah-blah inter-generational trauma. They'll never stop beating that drum even if they were given a billion dollars, every piece of land in Toronto, and a gold statue of Trudeau sucking off a group of Native elders in the House of Commons.

>>19616213
>Any other somewhat-unknown Canadian authors that you guys have found worthy?
JF Gariépy

>>19617966
I love her art. But which of her written works are best?

This and Yann Martel's second book "Beatrice & Virgil" are quite good. I can't say I've read much Canadian lit despite being a proud Canadian, but those ones are good.

>>19618064
For my present condition, I like House or All Sorts. It's written in this weirdly prim Jane Austen prose but it's about running a dumpy apartment building, which is probably a truly Canadian way of being: affected folksy optimism as a way of sublimating the misery of constantly dealing with mediocre rubes.

Anyone ever read these? The end of the 3rd book broke me. Why couldn't the mf just have written a happy ending?! I still like to imagine the series ended at the end of book 2.

Anne of Green Gables? Read in schools internationally

>>19616213
Quebec is the only place with culture everything else is Americanized

>>19618045
>>19617106
> Blais
> Gariépy
> "Canadian" names.
How about you just admit you have no soul or culture instead of trying to steal ours?

>>19616881
Well judging how this country this filled to the brim with shitskins it all makes sense.
What is the breakdown between white and all other races?

>>19618172
>>19618217
Quebec had sovl when it was a lingering offshoot of pre-revolutionary French culture, the silent revolution turned you into an even gayer and more crushingly bureaucratic version of Anglo Canada

>>19616394
canadian culture died in the 80s

>>19618363
>the silent revolution
> a surrealist artistic movement that had little to no influence outside of art, and not even that much within it.
> Montreal wasn't the Sin City of the North prior to it.
Ask me how I know you weren't born when 9/11 happened.

>>19616394
>culturally indistinguishable from Americans 99% of the time
Canadafag here, I once worked at a fast food restaurant next to a hotel and somehow I could pin every American that came in before they revealed their nationality either by telling me or pulling out American cash. Its usually their clothing that gives it away but there's also something subtle about their personalities that are different, somehow less socially charitable or naïve.

>>19616213
We are just a cabal of natural resource corporations who decided to make a cute flag one day, there is no identity in this soulless shithole

>>19616213
Mordecai writes about being a jew, the canadian aspect is just the environmental framing. The only possible semblance of identity in Canada would be found in Quebec, anyways

>>19618513
This, Canada is essentially the City of London Corporation redux. Canada was set up as a wealth centralization scheme. And it worked very fucking well. At one point in the 1880s, over 98% of the private wealth in Quebec was owned by people who lived in the Westmount (I.e. anglos) quarter.

I think outside of the GTA there is somewhat of a culture, certainly feels different and somewhat homogenous when you're north of Barrie

>>19618217
Nothing wrong with based French authors who didn't buy into the anglo political climate. Gallant fucked off to Paris for most of her life and Blais was a ruralfag so I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too hard just because they're from your province.

only thing of quality to come from canada

>>19618744
Or so the Germans would have us believe...

>>19618683
>so I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too hard just because they're from your province.
Spoken like a true globohomo shill. Also being a Quebecker implies being a ruralfag.

https://youtu.be/nQgh2pedVpw

>>19618744
That's not Letterkenny tho.

>>19618744
>>19618888
That's not Todd and the Book of Pure Evil tho.

>>19617966
And yet the only person in my family besides myself who knows her name is my mother. I have friends who read a book a week and are in creative writing programs who can't even name one of her books.
We all live on Vancouver Island.
I have never seen her discussed on /lit/ before and I've been here since 2010 (plz send help).
>>19618064
Klee Wyck is great if you like reading about nature. Otherwise House of All Sorts. Haven't read anything else.

>>19616213
Canadians dont have an identity. At the end of the day all of them are immigrants with senority. Except me, Natives are the only ones with real culture and history.

>>19618972
>Natives are the only ones with real culture and history.
If by culture you mean whining about "muh inter-generation trauma" while huffing gas then sure.

>>19616213
The Shitkickers > Anything Emily St. Crap puts out

>>19616213
Ondaatje and Gibson are the only two good Canadian writers.

>>19616213
>Do we have an identity
no, i think some of the other replies talking about how it's just an imperialist wealth centralization scheme got it right. there are still some regions with culture though, mostly in ontario and quebec and the atlantic. anything to the west of that is shit, apart from the natives
anyways, toronto has a ton of comfy libraries
>>19619014
don't type out another post on here you fucking baboon

>>19619014
the horror is that the real natives are the gas huffing no hopers slowly withering away, and the 'natives' who get federal grants to promote 'native culture' are 1/16th native white bitches and a few tokens, and the tokens have white husbands

the natives are one of the most tragic peoples on this earth, forced to live out their own death for centuries

>>19619361
GTA déraciné scum, go eat some schwarma with five pakis and a chinese. you killed ontario

>>19619384
>go eat some schwarma
maybe i will

>>19619361
It constantly blows me away how high of an opinion people from Toronto have of themselves and their city. Like you know the rest of the country holds you in the highest of contempt right? Right above FN of course, maybe politicians on the same level.

>>19619401
no one cares what a bunch of parasites from the exurbs think

>>19616394
Thats Anglo American.

>>19619411
Ok have fun getting stabbed to death by a Somali outside your high-rise $2500 a month water closet

>>19618245
the problem is that the whites are even more degenerate than the pajeets. it's ridiculous, people from anywhere else in the world aren't like this. only canadians. it's like a bunch of little donald trumps running around being completely obscene idiots. it's not even funny how stupid these people are, it's unbelievable and unacceptable. literature is not possible here.

Globohomo dominates Canadian culture, come to Kelowna and you'll see how bad it is creeping in!

>>19619457
>it's like a bunch of little donald trumps running around being completely obscene idiots
Typical ontarian liberal syndrome.

>>19619457
How are the whites even more degenerate than the shitskins? The problem with the whites is they have rolled over to the idea of giving away their lands to foreigners. They exhibit a defeatist attitude which is well on display in the younger generations. They are all nihilistic, hedonistic and see no future for themselves. How could you expect anything worthwhile to ever be produced in such an environment?
>>19619488
I hate people from the East with a passion. Vermin.

>>19619560
>How are the whites even more degenerate than the shitskins?
>how are drug-addicted, alcoholic, illiterate, brutal, violent, homosexual child rapists more degenerate than friendly, positive, hard-working people

>>19619560
I have travelled everyone in this Godforsaken country, the only places where I have met actual human beings are Quebec and Alberta.

Did Alice Munro write anything good? I read the view from castle rock a year ago and it made me never want to read anything from Canada again.

>>19619598
> hardworking, positive, friendly people.
Mate half the biggest tribe east of this country were actual cannibals. The others were so afraid of them they all took turn betraying their French settlers allies.

>>19619683
sh*tskins = east indians aka south asians. not first nations.

>>19619687
> east Indians
> not alcoholic
Nice try Pajeet. I worked until a few weeks ago at Alcoholock Canada, the Indian population is the largest of our ethnic "customer" base by far.

Anybody know Robert Service? he was a poet and author that my grandpa loved. I started reading one of his novels and it was full of "racially insensitive" stereotypes, it was great.

>>19616881
that's what happens when you import 400,000+ third worlders every year.

>>19619457
>t. shitskin

>>19619464
Kelowna isn't as bad as the big cities, it was still mostly white for one thing when I was last there.

>>19619745
fair enough, fair enough... but the real question is do they ever drink anything besides crown royal?

>>19619745
fn are more based than the 3rd worlders than come here, they're of course still retarded.

>>19618098
oh fuck this guy is canadian? I fucking loved these as a kid. I don't think that last one was out when I was a kid but the first two were kino and the 3rd one I think I lost on vacation before I could finish it. peak youth fiction
>mfw finding out the bat-bombs thing was real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

>>19619765
> I started reading one of his novels and it was full of "racially insensitive" stereotypes, it was great.
i take it back, there is a canadian identity

>>19616401
>Bear
actually a really funny book. Surprised more people don't talk about it.

>>19616213
Canada is a minor participant in a culture far larger than itself. its culture is a reflection of its history: subordinate, lagging.

there are distinct cultures within it that can lay claim to being original, and organically so, but they export virtually nothing. they likely won't last the century as American corpotrash overwrites it like it does everything else.

Everyone should read Al Purdy

>>19619401
you do not contribute enough to the gdp to have an opinion prairiefag

>>19619788
DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH

>>19618076
>proud
>canadian
The only thing I'm proud of is my pioneer ancestors travelling the country and carving out dense forest to build towns 250 years ago that are still around today, the country itself is a joke and the guy talking about it being a wealth collectivisation scheme is right. There is no real culture either, nor is there in America. Europe is where the culture still remains, that should be our reference point.

The only collective I have respect for here are the rural people, I think.

>>19619796
>as American corpotrash
You mean judeo-freemasonry.

>>19616213
There are regional cultures but nothing national, scattered urban population + decades of large scale immigration necked it

>>19616811
not even the best author in southern ontario

>>19616213
Prose : Hubert Aquin
Poetry : Alfred DesRochers

>>19619802
>shuts down your oil and mining sectors because climate change or some other bullshit
>still forces millions of dollars in expropriated funds from Alberta so GTA can welcome 5 million more immigrants by 2030 and frogs can have free daycare
>buys a 2 bedroom house worth 250k anywhere else for 3 million

Torontonians are massive fucking faggots and get to decide the election every year despite massively fucking up their own city consistently.

We literally want to leave, since we're such dead weight, you should be happy to let us go.

>>19619872
the oil sector is literally held up by federal subsidies because no one in their right mind would want that fucking tar otherwise
>We literally want to leave, since we're such dead weight, you should be happy to let us go.
no, you get what's coming to you

>>19619872
>frogs can have free daycare
Just so you know, equalization payments do not end up being *that* much. About 900$ per head in Quebec. Daycare costs a lot more than that (given that the "cheap" option is 7$/ day and you basically need to be on welfare already to be eligible for it.

>>19619840
>putting the jew label over everything so you never have to develop class consciousness
covid hasn't killed enough murricans

>>19619958
> ontarian
> talks about class consciousness
> doesn't realize that the Jews were literal tools of the Federal Liberal Party to destroy the Quebec separatist movement.
Killing Ontarians is not a sin, but a step on the path to the Lord's Heaven.

>>19619919
Everyone was very happy with the money and jobs it was making until it made natives and mother nature cry.
lmao @ Toronto not getting the brunt of what is coming to this country, that's why I don't want to stick around to be involved with it
>>19619955
Wow a province with a population half that of Quebec only pays $900 to each Quebecers while they get no amenities of the sort while receiving only spite and belittlement back! What a deal!
kys

>>19620124
>only pays $900 to each Quebecers
What?
75%+ of equalization payments come from Ontarian suburbs, you retard. They are perceived from taxes. Alberta's minuscule population doesnt account for shit you retard.

>>19619598
Ask me how I know you're not white.
Go back to Brampton.
>>19619610
Sounds about right honestly. I hate the French a lot but I will say they try to keep their heritage for the most part. Importing Catholic French speaking niggers is still a priority for them though. So it is a double edged sword.

>>19619958
How did I put in on everything? America is a product of international finance which is dominated by jews and their mason lackeys. This goes for most of the world of course, but America is the epitome of it.

>>19619919
>the oil sector is literally held up by federal subsidies
Because the environmental regulations they are in favour of, halfwit mutt.

>>19620205
Full disclosure, I am French.
Travelling this country has thought me
> everyone hates us
> nearly every French people I've met outside of Quebec was a shithead that the Anglos were right to hate.
> How quickly people turned around when they realized I wasn't a shithead.
Exception to this were ontarian whitetrash or Natives (they hate us French more than anyone else).

>>19620185
>easterners actually believe this

There are other province paying into and receiving equalization, Alberta pays the highest rate per citizen. Main point is, Quebec pays nothing and gets the most out of it. It's obvious we mean nothing to you besides free cash, why would I want to be in the same country as you? We hate each other, that's fine and good, just don't force us to share a country with you.

>>19620103
de quoi tu parles osti de cinglé

>>19620239
haven't been to France but of all the diaspora I've personally met, I feel like you could rename "shithead" and "not shithead" to "from Paris" and "not from Paris"

>>19620239
I'm Anglo and say Quebecers are pretty based.

>>19620249
based separatist
most countries should be balkanized honestly

>>19620249
... but I don't want to be in the same country as you?
Ottawa and Toronto jewed everyone, but *especially us* for over 200 hundred years, fractured any possibility of anglo pan-canadian identity, and ensured the second largest group kept their identity, then set up a system where nothing can get done without our approval. All along this, interprovincial solidarity has never meant anything at all.
Why the fuck wouldn't we Jew you in return while we can?

>>19620377
Buddy, neither me nor my great-grandparents who moved straight to the prairies to farm ever gave a shit about your heritage. Your quarrel is with old money and corruption in Ottawa and Toronto, not me.
I am 3500 km away from you (farther than Paris to Moscow), we should not be yoked together. It is absurd to think what is good for one of us is also good for the other.

>>19616811
Not for her writing, that's for damn sure

mort aux nazis

>93 replies
>no McLuhan
for shame

>>19620449
>my great-grandparents who moved straight to the prairies
So, Metis land expropriated from their owners with a torch and a gun? I guess it must have been after the Red River Rebellion, of which my great great grandfather was Riel's general.
>ever gave a shit about your heritage.
So why should I about yours? If you don't think 200+ years is enough time to realize we are all getting shafted by the same people, why should I care about your feels about me indirectly shafting you because suddenly those people switched to appeasement instead of straight up jewery?

Let's get some Jordan Peterson up here in this thread!!! Best psychologist of the 21st century, and perhaps ever?

>>19620239
> How quickly people turned around when they realized I wasn't a shithead.
This one is very accurate, when you meet a French person who isn't arrogant it does leave a nice impression.
>Natives (they hate us French more than anyone else)
If only you gents could have slaughtered them for good and not bred that disgusting metis.

>>19618847
It was in regard to the fact Gallant moved to Paris for most of her life retard. Also, most of Quebec's big writers are from Montreal (and besides, your point is a nonstarter because outside of the major cities pretty much anywhere in Canada is rural moron).
>globohomo
On the level of provinces? You don't know what that word means faggot. Go back to /pol

>>19620753
>still talking about your heritage like I give a shit

I don't want you to care about my heritage, I want you to care about the current situation, which your entire response to has been "yeah, we're fucking jewing you but we've been too in the past so it's OK" and it's just fucking lame but I should not expect anything else from someone defending being on perpetual gibs at someone else's expense

>>19621434
quebec's budgetary situation is largely a result of service duplication at the provincial and federal levels, and of a century of ontario-centric federal investment which has only recently begun to change for the better
ottawa fought to keep us in the confederation and openly broke its own laws to do it. they have done everything they could to keep dependent, like a pimp would a prostitute.
as far as I'm concerned if the country ruins itself trying to keep this fucking farce alive then that's just karmic justice.
you and your country had nothing to do with that, so you should point your resentment at ottawa and not us. fair is fair.

>>19621474
you and your province****

>>19620124
>>19620249
you are absolutely delusional. if the federal government was permanently dissolved tomorrow, everyone outside of ontario or quebec would fucking starve to death as they deserve

This thread is proof that leafs need to call it and just apply for admission to the US

You Canadians should learn from us Latin Americans. We had the same anxieties regarding our identity --in the 19th century. What we concluded was that an independent identity had to he built, and for two centuries we autistically created one through cinema, painting, literature and philosophy.

>>19621605
HUAEHAUEHAUEHUAEHUAE

>>19616213
rcmp if your reading this I fucking hate indians and muslims and chinese and niggers and this land is land is owned by the Queen her majesty not a bunch of aboriginal niggers fuck you die of aids

>>19621850
>having any allegiance to the rothschild dynasty
Just because you're a monarchist doesn't mean you have to support the ultimate shabbos goys in history

Personally I'm working on resurrecting Cromwell

>>19616802
Callaghan and Hemingway met while they were both working for the Toronto Star. I'd almost argue that Hemingway is quintessential Canadian lit.

>>19617121
But did you know that jews have been persecuted for centuries, and that it's made them neurotic, self-satisfied, and narcissistic? Um, hello!?

Our country sucks but it's not the worst. Probably better than most places to live. I'd say top ten.
Do we have an identity? Not really. But no one does now.

>>19621856
thnk you for reminding me
RCMP!!!!! if you are reading this I also hate the jews

>>19621531
gay b8

>>19620807
I for one would say the best human being ever :^)