/lit/ - Literature

>>19612156
“Republic” is such a horrible translation of it. I have no idea why it’s the title that caught on.

The original Greek word of “Politeia” is so much more poetic and fits the essence of the work so much better that I have no idea why they translated it at all.

Im working my way thru the collection, and I found crito the most thought provoking so far atleast

Is it ok to subvert societal decrees because they made a "mistake" with you. Doing so would only serve to either reduce trust in them or force increased security which would take the choice to run away anyway

>Bruhs tyranny is like, so bad.
>And so that’s why we need to create a horrifically tyrannical totalitarian state to keep tyranny from ever happening

>>19612396
It's not even about politics, it's about justice and proper guidance of the individual's soul

>>19612156
Thrasymachus is only dialogue in The Republic worthy of consideration.

>>19612412
prove it

>>19612431
Make me
>>19612429
Considering the rest is a speech by Socrates interrupted by glaucon and that other dweeb, so not really a dialogue, then yeah

Aristotle's better
t. never read either except Poetics about 6 years ago.

>>19612396
Ultimate good and ultimate evil both arise from the same potency.

>>19612253
It's because of Cicero's De Re Publica.

>>19612156
Why is it called Plato's Cave, if it was Socrates who came up with it?

>>19612431
Book 2 368c-369d
>"It looks to me as though the investigation we are undertaking is no ordinary thing, but one for a man who sees sharply. Since we're not clever men," I said, "in my opinion we should make this kind of investigation of it: if someone had, for example, ordered men who don't see very sharply to read little letters from afar and then someone had the thought that the same letters are somewhere else also, but bigger and in a bigger place, I suppose it would look like a godsend to be able to consider the littler ones after having read these first, if, of course, they do happen to be the same."
>"Most certainly," said Adeimantus. "But, Socrates, what do you notice in the investigation of the just that's like this?"
>"I'll tell you," I said. "There is, we say, justice of one man; and there is, surely, justice of a whole city too?"
>"Certainly," he said.
>"Is a city bigger than one man?"
>"Yes, it is bigger;" he said.
>"So then, perhaps there would be more justice in the bigger and it would be easier to observe closely. If you want, first we'll investigate what justice is like in the cities. Then, we'll also go on to consider it in a individuals, considering the likeness of the bigger in the idea of the
littler?"
>"What you say seems fine to me," he said.
>"If we should watch a city coming into being in speech," I said, "would we also see its justice coming into being, and its injustice?"
>"Probably," he said.
>"When this has been done, can we hope to see what we're looking for more easily?"
>"Far more easily."

Book 9 591d-592b
>"Rather, he looks fixedly at the regime within him," I said, "and guards against upsetting anything in it by the possession of too much or too little substance. In this way, insofar as possible, he governs his additions to, and expenditure of, his substance. "
>"That's quite certain," he said.
>"And, further, with honors too, he looks to the same thing; he will willingly partake of and taste those that he believes will make him better, while those that would overturn his established habit he will flee, in private and in public."
>"Then," he said, "if it's that he cares about, he won't be willing to mind the political things."
>"Yes, by the dog," I said, "he will in his own city, very much so. However, perhaps he won't in his fatherland unless some divine chance coincidentally comes to pass."
>"I understand," he said. "You mean he will in the city whose foundation we have now gone through, the one that has its place in speeches, since I don't suppose it exists anywhere on earth."
>"But in heaven," I said, "perhaps, a pattern is laid up for the man who wants to see and found a city within himself on the basis of what he sees. It doesn't make any difference whether it is or will be somewhere. For he would mind the things of this city alone, and of no
other."
>"That's likely," he said.

What did he mean by this?

>>19613666
That Socrates knows the consequences of positing the forms, and that when he says in the Phaedo that his second sailing consists of positing that something is, he left out that he also learned to posit that something is not from Parmenides.

>>19613666
I believe that Parmenides is a demonstration of the necessity of philosophical humility. Many of the Socratic dialogues consist of Socrates btfo’ing various interlocutors. In Parmenides it is Socrates who gets his ass handed to him because he fails to properly think through what he is positing.

>>19612473
Say more?