/lit/ - Literature

>>19604218
you is, death isn’t. death is, you isn’t

>>19604218
>comforting or horrifying
Are you a really rich person that can do whatever? Then death is bad for you. Are you costantly tortured and kept alive without your consent? Then it's comforting, the best thing it can happen to you. Whatever is inbetween depends how you view your life

>>19604218
Not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for but Nagel's essay on death in Mortal Questions came to mind.

http://dbanach.com/death.htm

>>19604218
Dreamless sleep, next question.

>>19604218
>nothingness forever
Nothingness 'forever' would be indistinguishable from nothingness for an instant.

>>19604218
If you have never had any revealing or religious experience then you should really work on that because dying like this can be really horrible, and life bleak.

Maybe read the Volsunga Saga, Illiad, or read some Buddhist meditation about death. Or just read about history and realize how short and simple most human life's were, and how natural and familiar death was to your ancestors.

Death is meant to sometimes be comforting and sometimes horrifying. You are meant to face it all with bravery. "Breakfast here, supper in Hades."

>>19604218
No.
Source: idealism

>>19604405
>>19604471
LARP and cope

Yes, OP. Death is horrifying and it's normal to be paralyzed with anxiety.

Death of Ivan Ilyich

>>19604492
>t. twinky atheist-materialist

Death is easy for the righteous. Living is hard.

>>19604509
I hope so

Recommend me some reading material to free me from this mindset

>>19604500
That doesnt make dying any easier

>>19604218
>Is death really just nothingness forever?
Anybody who tells you that they know the answer to this question is either a psychic master, or full of shit

>Any good literature on this as I don't know if that's meant to be comforting or horrifying
Just about all philosophy and religion is primarily concerned with life and death, so you can start with whatever you like. I recommend theravada and stoicism.

>>19604527
Well, science has ruled out something spiritual taking place

>>19604513
You would need to find something that connects you with reality on a really basic level of awareness. Something that gives you a different perspective, maybe one that you didn't have for a long time. Like reflecting back on the thoughts, and experiences you had and are having as if you are watching reality unfold from a third person perspective. Not self but fully self at the same time.

>Thou seest Me as Time who kills, Time who brings all to doom,
>The Slayer: Time, Ancient of Days, come hither to consume;
>Excepting thee, of all these hosts of hostile chiefs arrayed,
>There shines not one shall leave alive the battlefield! Dismayed
>No longer be! Arise! obtain renown! destroy thy foes!
>Fight for the kingdom waiting thee when thou hast vanquished those.
>By Me they fall—not thee! the stroke of death is dealt them now,
>Even as they stand thus gallantly; My instrument art thou!
>Strike, strong-armed Prince! at Drona! at Bhishma strike! deal death
>To Karna, Jyadratha; stay all this warlike breath!
>’Tis I who bid them perish! Thou wilt but slay the slain.
>Fight! they must fall, and thou must live, victor upon this plain!
God, Bhagavad Gita

Just say fuck you, and get out of the daily rut, and take with you something inspiring to read. Noone can recommed you what to take. You have to choose it yourself.

>>19604218

Read Bardo Thodol and then take psychedelics or meditate

>>19604589
t. english major

>>19604492
retarded kike niggershit

>>19604589
t. reddit faggot kike

>>19604218
As others have pointed, nobody knows and it's impossible to be certain about it. That's why people search for religionand spirituality.
On the other hand, the concept of death unites us all. Everyone and every living thing is going to die, and each of us will face it alone. It doesn't matter when it comes, what really matters is the things you put between your birth and your death. Live fully, the party won't stop once you and I are gone.

>>19604599
The one that pulp fictions dad wrote?

>>19604218
>nothingness forever
how can there be forever if there is nothing? don't be silly anon

>>19604677
No, the Tibetan book

>>19604698
It’s a joke you dolt

>>19604232
>Is
What does this even mean bros

>>19604218
Don't worry, you won't even notice.

>>19604218
Why would you care about death, your not dead. It is foolish to worry about something that hasn't happened yet. If it is nothingness, it won't matter as you won't be there to experience it.

>>19604218
'You' are simply an timelessly existing moment of perception.

>>19604218
>You have to choose it yourself.
Like anon wrote. But Tibetan literature will really open your eyes, and you won't be afraid of death anymore.

>>19604492
Except there's nothing to be anxious about. "Nothingness forever" isn't an experience, it's the absence of experience. It won't hurt you. All songs end, so might as well enjoy yours while it lasts.

Plus, if the cosmos is on a loop, and everything happens again, you would (from your POV) instantly return to the moment you became conscious again. Slim chance, but there's still a chance, and if it's the case, it means you'll be listening to your song on repeat forever.

>>19604218
What is nothingness? If you have never thought about it, then you are not afraid of nothingness, but of unknown.
Does nothing exist? If it does, then we're pointing at it with a quantifier, but true nothingness has no attributes, hence it's not nothing we're pointing at. Yet many limited manifestations of nothing exist such as empty set, vacuum, no thing, empty mind, etc, all of those are emanations, so there should be something where they emanate from. So nothing should exist in a way? Seems like nothingness lies beyond existence and non-existence.
1) Whatever you say nothing is, nothing is not that, it's not limited to that, it's innately indescribable and whatever definition would be a lie.
2) If nothingness exists, then how does it relate to something(which is not nothing), where is that separation? Quite clearly there's none, so either everything is nothing and you are already nothing in nothing, or nothing doesn't exist.

Same two things apply to I-ness: whatever I say you are, you are not that, you are not your body, not your mind, not your thoughts. And if you exist, where is the separation between what is you and what is not you? Either everything is you, or you don't exist. I-ness is pretty similar to nothingness, perhaps identical.

I-ness can be seen as the ultimate non-identity point which is in opposition to everything else, it's able to observe everything, because it's not that thing and whatever is conceivable is also not a true description of I-ness, something identical to I-ness would not be coceived.
Now you can also ask about the difference between identity and non-identity.

>>19604218
>Is death really just nothingness forever?
no, but it is an irreversible scattering of (you)

>>19604218
>>19605437
Also, anon, you have already risen out of nothingness at least once, since you are aware right now. If you postulate that you will somehow remain in that nothingness forever after you die, how did you come to be out of nothingness in this life then?

>>19605437
Where did you get those ideas from? They seem interesting, but they need a more detailed observation.

>>19605437
Based

>>19604522
You need to make it harder. All these 14 year old faggots quoting Epicure - it's sadder than clinging to the idea of an afterlife. As long as you are death doesn't affect you? Pray tell, what is the secret of your relatives' relative (to you) immortality? Death is all around us. Kudos if you can ignore it, if you can find something to engage with so intently death stops mattering for a while, but any thinking being will wonder about its fate and it is just to dread this. How boring can you be to ever say 'I've had enough'? It's certainly not today or otherwise you'd have offed yourself by the end of this line. It's not tomorrow, because tomorrow is too soon. But the vague future holds enough malaise? disengagement? to imagine yourself content with letting it all go? I just want to be as aware at the end as I can be, having a giant FUCK YOU in my mind. We're in the eye of the storm, it's freeing in the most uncaringly-'evil' way possible and it's absolutely dreadful. Make of that what you want, it literally does not matter.

>>19605451
I arrived to those ideas myself, but I'm sure they're described somewhere in one form or another, since whenever I get a vague glimpse of some ideas, I later find it in some religious text which feels very natural to read, because it's an elaboration of my thought.
Maybe these papers have something.
https://www.academia.edu/12663122/Can_one_prove_that_something_exists_beyond_consciousness_A_Saiva_criticism_of_the_Sautrantika_inference_of_external_objects

>>19604405
This. Any of these and other profound works of human spirituality will help you understand death. For me it was eastern readings like Taoism and also Socrates. Honestly the tldr is we dont know but you must understand its importance and significance

>>19604589
Low quality bait

>>19604218
Probably not. If your consciousness could come into existence once, there's no reason why it couldn't happen again. The idea that death is eternal nothingness sounds too good to be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g

Sounds comfy

>>19605437
Nothingness is the negation of Identity or substance, a silly pseudo-reality conjured up by the semantically trapped mind as it becomes embedded in an Umwelt (Fiery World). Once the representational field of 'something' (Substance) is done away with, so too is nothing. The weight of the negative is only operational at a level of reception and emission but the actual network of ethereal sign passages is unaffected because it is the indifference point (or event to use a more apt word). Thought is of course trapped in the 'World' and so also in Nothingness and Negation. The question of Being cannot be posed, questioning pre-determines a corruption of Being since it demarcates it into a concept. Heidegger understood this and thus his philosophical turn towards poetry (here begin to understand the network and not the node). The key to understanding this is a dynamic map, Being - Ex-stasis - Going-Out, nothing is the negation and thus a pure inhering (the void or black hole). But, again, this is not a question of fundamental ontology but of representational spatialization which is a product of semantic crystallization, Logos made flesh and all.

>>19605437
I don't find your thought process convincing. My replies are not meant to offer stringent counter arguments, just possible food for thought meant to reveal my perceived holes in your thinking.
>Same two things apply to I-ness: whatever I say you are, you are not that, you are not your body, not your mind, not your thoughts.
You are a complicated combination of all these things we don't fully understand yet. I would further say whatever 'I' really is, we value the semi-continuous experience of conscious thought and being.
>And if you exist, where is the separation between what is you and what is not you?
The line may get blurry but a workable definition may be everything that constitutes and satisfies the above definition. Maybe, seems like it's most likely too unfortunately, it's purely biological and material. Yes you can lose your arm which is part of you and yet you can continue with only a mildly impaired feeling of I-ness but at that point we're playing wordgames. It seems like most evidence points towards what we value as I, as described above, ceases to work in a way we would appreciate after death.
>Either everything is you, or you don't exist. I-ness is pretty similar to nothingness, perhaps identical.
I don't know how you arrived at this conclusion. A kind of pan-consciousness mixed with solipsism? In a way everything we know, we are and everything that is for us, is only through us. Yes. Now will yourself to paradise please and teach me your ways...
>I-ness can be seen as the ultimate non-identity point
How so? Kindly speak for yourself. (But don't take this too seriously...)

>>19605555
I'll add some points regarding death for OP. Your identity is only formed through an act of retention and this retention is connected to 'Memory' to be more concise, in a divine or universal 'memory' or a sort of Virtual. For more on that concept look into Bergson. We can picture divine memory as rhizomatic and chaotic, branching in every which way at every instant (temporality as novel event). What is this creative engine that generates difference in the system and so allows novelty, and by extension space-time? We cannot know this through thought, but I suppose I throw my eggs in with the revelatory school and say that this is God and his elan vital (I assume a form of Kabbalism where the tree is the creative force working it's way to a perfected mirror of the Absolute through history or the totality of retained time-images). Thus your life is consummated in death, this forms a totality of events within memory and the conpatibility of the event that you are determined whether or not you are a true reflection of the Logos or not (have you followed God's revealed law or not). The individual and man as a concept are incredibly dogmatic and icky appendages of the old metaphysics, we ought to get rid of these notions when thinking the Self. The Self is a piece of art, a sign, an event and this we have a duty to beautify or make into a likeness of God (and this is a different and uniquely complex set of praxis with it's own difficulties).

>>19604293
Sleepless Dream is far more accurate.

>>19604218
Death occurs in every moment. There is no real continuity between instants, but we imagine that there is. I believe death is just another one of these instants on the cyclical stage of time.

I like to think of it in terms of what likely isn't.
Death could mean eternal torture, but there are things that mind likes to safely rule-out.

Death likely entails:
- no more waking up depressed
- no more having to be anywhere on time
- no more driving
- no more doing laundry
- no more grocery shopping
- no more diarrhea
- no more sexual selection pressure
- no more reading stupid comments
- no more annoying ads
- no more worrying about death

...and so on. In some perfect hell these things could exist, but if I know I'm dead, it'll be hard to get me to do them.

>nothing to look forward to in life
>still terrified of death
this is bullshit

>>19604865
depends on what your definition of "is" is.

>>19605555
>>19605615
where can I read more on this way of seeing things?

Heaven or hell. Your soul is immortal anon. You are more than your sense organs reacting to physical stimuli. Physical reality is but a necessary passage the soul has to go through. It is not the ultimate reality. Have hope.

>>19604218
The Departure of the Soul According to the Teaching of the Orthodox Church from St. Anthony's Greek Orthodox Monastery and The Soul After Death by Father Seraphim Rose are what you're looking for, OP.

>>19604595
What translation? This is great

>>19605901
what was born must die.
the notion of an immortal soul is the result of the confusion between theology and metaphysics

>>19605532
Any literature on this particular philosophy of death? I've come to the same conclusion; interested in what others have to say.

Here's a redditor that believes in a fun form of secular hell. I tend to agree, somewhat.

>>19606014
The soul was not "born". The soul always was.

forget books, OP. Drink ayahuasca with a shaman to guide u. then u will see what u need to see about life and death

>>19604218
No. The moment you die life starts again. There is no reprieve.

>>19606477
intriguing to watch a man build the walls of his cell, set it afire, and scream even though he's convinced himself no one can hear

>>19604218
No, you are born again and again and again. Lookup the phd studie into reincarnation they did the in 80's. tldr they couldn't disprove it or prove it. Probably the only slight evidence I've ever seen for something akin to religion.

>>19606477
>>19606895
Assuming his religious conservatism was Christian, it seems like he never truly grasped the meaning of Christ in the first place.

>>19606954
>and still he screams

>>19605821
underrated and based comment

>>19605562
>You are a complicated combination of all these things we don't fully understand yet
This is not what I referred to by I-ness. You're speaking of personality, traits, habits, samskaras, skandhas and whatever. I just spoke of that pure I which cannot have any kind of description, because descriptions are vikalpas, while I-ness is above that, so my description is faulty too, it is rather a pointer.
> we don't fully understand yet
I-ness cannot be understood in that manner, even things lower than I such as qualia cannot. Imagine if general artificial intelligence was to be constructed. Would you ask if it's conscious? That question would make no sense, since that AI is fully described by mathematics and there's no need to invoke notions of qualia or consciousness. The same way if there's any scientific explanation for human consciousness or qualia, it too won't involve the notions of consciousness and qualia, so it won't actually describe them.
>It seems like most evidence points towards what we value as I, as described above, ceases to work in a way we would appreciate after death.
Again there cannot be such a scientific evidence because I is not a scientific concept. Science can study emanations of that I like personality and traits, those are combinations/collections of external things. Science doesn't study I-ness for the same reason it doesn't study the source from which the universe arose (like why does the universe exists?), because that source is unattainable and it's even nonsensical to talk about that, but science studies matter which emanates from that source and is accessible.
And as for ceasing to be after death I have already said that if you arose out of nothingness at least one time, since you are self-aware now, what makes you think won't become aware again after returning to nothingness? How come you are conscious now then?
>I don't know how you arrived at this conclusion
I've described it. If you want more on that topic, see those papers^
https://www.academia.edu/12663122/Can_one_prove_that_something_exists_beyond_consciousness_A_Saiva_criticism_of_the_Sautrantika_inference_of_external_objects
https://www.academia.edu/12663014/Otherness_in_the_Pratyabhijna_Philosophy
>A kind of pan-consciousness mixed with solipsism?
Materialism leads to pan-consciousness too. See triviality argument for functionalism. And solipsism has nothing to do with what I've said.
>How so? Kindly speak for yourself. (But don't take this too seriously...)
Because I is not identical to whatever it is aware of, and it is aware of it precisely because it is not identical to that. Can light help you to see other light? Light only lets you see things which are not light.

>>19605899
Bergson, Deleuze, Foucault, Hegel, Kabbalah, Uexkull, Heidegger, Biosemiotics, Peirce and de Chardin are the thinkers that led me there.

>>19605899
>>19607312
Though if I had to limit it to one guy that I would recommend you read I would say de Chardin

what about the nothingness that was before you were born

No one knows.

>>19604218
Here's a cope I've developed as a person that doesn't believe in magic. Matter and energy can't be destroyed, just changed (into different configurations or from one to the other). The things that constitute you won't disappear, you'll just be disassembled. Therefore there is an infinitely small chance that you'll be re-assembled given a long enough timespan, and for all we know the timespan we are working with might be infinite.

I'm also trying to fool myself into believing in reincarnation, but I'm coping hard because I really don't like the idea of eternal non-existance.

>>19606059
I know this is a lazy answer, but maybe someone will Cunningham's Law me:
Anything Buddhist or Hindu-related is probably a good place to start

>>19605476
>For me it was eastern readings like Taoism
Got any decent recs for a beginner?

>>19605632
You are not deep.

>>19607871
Sleepless dream is deep though. If you meditate, you can be aware while being in deep dreamless sleep.

>>19607339
Same

This is one thing in my arsenal that's keeping me alive

>>19606879
Source?

>>19604813
Neat, is that the English translation you prefer?

>>19604405
Based. Even if we take the Shinto approach death is the very thing which gives meaning to life.

>>19604492
Coward.

>>19607339
> The things that constitute you won't disappear, you'll just be disassembled
You are on to something. But now you are still facing an existential dilemma. The matter and energy that makes up the "you" - your body, mind, consciousness - can disassemble into its elemental parts, therefore these material things are not essentially "you".

If you don't believe in / know of anything beyond the material existence that is "you" or your true self, then you are essentially a sort of nihilist, someone who believes in the annihilation of the self / someone who does not believe in a permanent self, I, or Ego. So you will go to into nothingness, into the void when your last day has come.

The "infinity" from before we were existed ended when we were born. Who is to say the "infinity" after we die wont end again? It's clearly been broken once.

This world is like a roadside inn and we're the guests inside
And death is a black camel that kneels down so we can ride

>>19608346
Retarded transcendental dogmatic epistemology, playing with the concept of Infinity within an a-representational field as if it was equivalent to talking about quantized ontic (object) time

>>19608575
Lol have sex faggot. Maybe you'll stop being so excited about death.

>>19604218
>Is death really just nothingness forever?
Hopefully
>To desire immortality is to desire the eternal perpetuation of a great mistake.
-Schopenhauer

>>19604218
What if that was a lie you were sold to frighten you? Perhaps there's more to all this than you realize. Perhaps our Earthly knowledge is limited with regard to these things.

Interesting that you posted this thread at this time of year. I think someone special is looking for you.

>>19607057
What you are essentially saying is little more than 'God works in mysterious ways'.
You're arguing for something that lacks all the things that I value about myself, that people mean when they refer to a fear of death. Okay my "I-ness" will fizzle around in null-space, but my linear, limited existence with my meager hopes and dreams - where's that gonna end up? THIS is what's frightening and for a good reason.
I'd like to think I'd return to consciousness once again, but what makes you think you will become aware again? Just because it happened before? Will I have a recollection of my 'previous' life? Will I have to suffer through or embrace the exact same circumstances including this fear of death? Will something change - in which case how sure can we be to be the same consciousness?
Sometimes I do hope for some mildly plausible version of an afterlife. Eternal return, the law of infinite time and possibilities creating me once more, the real me, because of some Quantum shenanigans deists will sneer at rightfully so, with just a little bit of some random mumbojumbo over the series of infinite variations of myself that allows me, or all of us anons, to eventually break free or influence the whole process and transmit information or ourselves through this cycle. Or maybe this is a simulation and at the end of it we won't have to worry about existential nonsense as much. Maybe all the esoteric and religious bullshit has some truth to it...

so heckin true

I for one think that we are stuck living this same life over and over again for an eternity.

>>19608596
there "is" no death idiot.

>>19609049
>What you are essentially saying is little more than 'God works in mysterious ways'.
I have also given a justification for that mystery, which I think is important, since for many people the fear of death is supported by the fact the fact that they're inclined to think that question is settled and there's no place for mystery, or even if there is, they don't take it seriously. I explained why that mystery has to be there and that it's impossible to get rid of it.
>but my linear, limited existence with my meager hopes and dreams - where's that gonna end up? THIS is what's frightening and for a good reason.
This is not fear of death already, but of another thing which I didn't adress, I only addressed the fear of loosing I-ness, by saying why there's an identity between I-ness, death and nothingness, morever I think one can't show that there is any difference between those three, but I don't have an argument for that as for now.
So far from my words it doesn't follow that your I-ness would preserve memories, impressions, personality and so on, so you're free to fear it, but that is a much lesser fear than fear of death. And for me personally the fact of losing memories in itself doesn't seem terrifying in the slightest.
I had an experience when I completely forgot who and where I was, like even the concept of country and planet Earth, it was as if I was just thrown into my body and was using it for the first time. If then I found myself in some bird's body, I wouldn't think that anything is weird. The patterns stuck in my mind didn't go away though, I could talk wall, just it felt as if I'm using the words for the first time and somehow am able to understand them, though I wasn't aware what language I'm speaking, I could also orient in the building I found myself in, but I wasn't aware what building was that. So in other words I was seeing the world as a pre-Socratic philosopher, without discerning anything into dual notions, but just having a pure experience. It lasted several minutes until in an instant I recollected my whole life. There wasn't anything terrifying about that experience.
Another thing I could say about that is that if you understand that you are not your memories, hopes and dreams, then what is there to be afraid of? Is losing memories essentially different than losing a diary or your hard disk? Memories, hopes and dreams are just dry patterns that you constantly interact with, and they change a lot during your lifetime, but I-ness remains the same.

>>19609049
>>19609811
>I'd like to think I'd return to consciousness once again
There's no separation between I-ness and consciousness, so there's no question of returning. What level of awareness you'd possess is another question though. But to discuss is meaningfully, you have to learn to keep awareness in deep sleep, first by maintaining awareness while in waking state of course. Since any such argumentation would be based on premises, which you'd accept after learning to be aware in deep sleep, otherwise those premises are baseless.
>but what makes you think you will become aware again? Just because it happened before? Will I have a recollection of my 'previous' life? Will I have to suffer through or embrace the exact same circumstances including this fear of death? Will something change - in which case how sure can we be to be the same consciousness?
Those are all ad-hoc questions and cannot be answered generally. And those questions clearly do not have a fixed answer, and the possible answers depend on what you do and your will. First step could be looking for your I-ness and realizing it's independent of memories and traits. It takes training and sincere intention.

>>19604218
>Is death really just nothingness forever?
Sadly, it's unlikely. I didn't exist before being born thus: me not existing =(birth)> me existing =(death)> me not existing .....=(birth)>.....

>>19604405
>just have a religious experience bro
T-thanks.

>>19606559
Ah the DMT meme, of course. Surely some wacky hallus will help me see

>>19605532
>If your consciousness could come into existence once
it's your existence that comes to conciousness

>>19606852
great, source?

>>19607317
what's a good place to start with him?

>>19610376
I think it might be an SCP-001 proposal, you can also try searching lines from it.

>>19604218
>Is death really just nothingness forever?
Of course not, you go to either Heaven or Hell for eternity. Haven't you read your bible, friend?

>>19610478
coping hard

>>19604218

After biophysical cessation one's soul enters into Purgatory, and, either: becomes embraced by Sofia's wise love, and greeted by one's anima/animus, and/or friend/s, and/or fellow/s, or: undergoes penance for selfconsciously having chosen to live without, and/or against, love; following either case, one may choose to, either: incarnate again, or: remain in Purgatory, awaiting to be judged with justice by Jesus Christ at the end of the world; especially carnistic souls become impelled by the false vainglorious light of the Demiourgos, which, due to their blindness, recycles them via reincarnation; especially virtuous souls are sent directly to Paradise.

The abovementioned regards what is universal; the process itself is mystically unique to the person , destiny —cordiology—, and fate —chronology—, of each individual.

>>19610393
The Phenomenon of Man. Read Bergson (starting with Time and Free Will / Matter and Memory) alongside him. You don't need a background in theoretical biology for any of this but as it pertains to my own view of the matter, I think that it is indispensable in understanding the concepts of "Memory" or "Creative Evolution" that derive from Bergson and how they might relate to Chardin's idea of the Omega Point. I would refer you to "Introduction to Biosemiotics" since it doesn't require a rigorous background in theoretical bio or chemistry in order to get the gist of the interrelations between the above mentioned theories and the semiotic model (Being / Logos). If you want to expand on the interpenetration here you can dive further into Quantum Chemistry, Speculative Biology (for STEM), Heidegger (Phenomenology in general) and Bataille for speculative models or Foucault, Canguilhem and Deleuze (read Nietzsche as a pre-cursor) if you seek a broad application to socio-political and epistemic fields. As someone who believes that there is a further layer operating under this 'biosemiotic evolvability' I would also recc you check out so-called esoteric schools like Kabbalah and to study the Tree of Life. Lots of levels to this, but I feel its better to direct anyone who is curious to as many outlets as possible, rather than limiting it to one which might not be compatible with the particularities of their personality. Anyways, like I said; de Chardin is the easiest of these authors to understand and offers a great entry point into thinking through a philosophy of creation.

>>19605932
I got u bro
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2388/2388-h/2388-h.htm

>>19607339
I've thought about this too. But even if everything arranges itself together as it was last time, what guarantees the continuity in consciousness? How would you "wake up" in that body? Wouldn't it just be a copy of your consciousness? It don't think it would still be "you", there's nothing linking the two distinct arisings of consciousness.

>>19604218
Do you remember what it was like before you were born? Yea, that's what it feels like to be dead.

>>19611840
I don't remember what it was like to be 4 years old, either, was that death, too?

Besides, the one thing I can be sure of is that despite how long it took me to be born, it happened, so how long would it take for it to happen again?

Yeah, OP, you just have to accept it, and move it, similar to accepting the death of other people around you. Doing anything else is a neurotic obsession.

>>19604218
death as a state of being can only exist when you do not.
So in a sense death is as real to you as dragons. are you afraid of dragons anon?

had an accident once in my life, riding my mountain bike. Smacked dead center into a tree no helmet at the park. Woke up coming out of a long dream, no clue were I was at, or why my head was wrapped in gauze. Dont remember the ambulance ride, stiches, or the CTscan. I kept repeating the words "weres my bike" for the rest of the night, paid 800$ for it,and the doctor said since I took a heavy hit to my head repeating words was part of the trauma...Years past and I still can't remember what happened in that 5hour sequence of events, only thing that vaguely shimmers is my shoes covered in blood, and voices of people...I could of been dead and would of never known or even cared for that matter. I think that thats the best way to go, consumed into your actions physically no fear just getting that bike rush.

>>19609037
pretty subtle anon +1

I like to think that we're in a simulation and get to go to heaven afterwards

>>19605821
What if God will punish you with an everlasting job interview or looped experience of waking up because a spider is crawling on your face at night? A maddening eternity spent on probbing a loose front teeth with your tongue. The unbearable prospect of munching on flannel shirt for countless eons.

>>19611967
Dragons can exist while I do. It's not the same.

>>19611975
The best way to go is fully conscious of the dying process no matter how painful, all the way until the end.

I don't get the whole reincarnation shtick.
Why does it matter if my soul gets reincarnated if I don't remember it?
I am not my soul and without my memories I am not me.

>>19612600
Well, the frequency or duration of such experiences might be a clue. And if time were to reset or something to make it like I'm wiggling the loose tooth anew, then it would lose that additive traumatic effect.

I've been ruminating quite deeply on heaven and hell, and I've hit a real problem.

How could I ever have security in either?

Say I die and end up at the Pearly Gates. I go in, I see my relatives, my pets, meet God, feel overwhelmed with bliss and all that good stuff. What prevents God, after a googleplex years, from switching on the hot excrement machine and forever drowning me for the rest of eternity?

Likewise, in hell, what if the pleading for redemption one day, after a Graham's number years, gets answered and the flames turn off and someone brings me an ice cream sandwich? Dude comes out and says "okay, you passed, enjoy your eternal rimjob!"

There's no certainty in heaven and hell as concepts. You would never truly know if you were in either.

I don't know if this is comforting or scary.

>>19612799
It's natural to run into problems thinking about things which don't exist.

Apart from that, you seem to have confused two different types of eternity.

You cannot experience death. It is not part of life by definition.

>>19612818
>you seem to have confused two different types of eternity.

>>19612819
t. never had a pet, friends or relatives

>>19613210
That's not experiencing death, that's experiencing loss. Death is the cessation of experience.

>>19612628
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

-Dylan Thomas
https://poets.org/poem/do-not-go-gentle-good-night

>>19613212
Look I used to think just like you, I kind of hope you won't understand.

nope.

t. schizophrenic who can talk to concepts and animals in plain english. death told me it's not as final as we think it is. You're welcome i guess.

>>19613224

This police dog was barking at me one time, and I was really scared of the bloody thing, but then it started whining after I had walked a couple of steps ahead. It told me it knew I wouldn't just quit because of a scary dog, it knew I would fight and that made it afraid of me even though I was afraid of it. Then I said 'Dog, I am not even a criminal!' to which the dog replied 'Yes you are, you just haven't committed any crimes!'

Fucking adorable innit?

Doesn't a purely materialist and deterministic universe (what pessimists believe, I think) logically result in eternal recurence of your consciousness? Eventually the universe (You) were born into will re-emerge from the void and repeat itself, and whatever material variables went into creating (You) would also repeat. Non-return would imply some supernatural quantity of current existence that can't allow the same (You) to repeat even if all the conditions are the same, no?
It seems to me that living in an Epicurean way would be the most logical choice here.

>>19613244
recurrence*
quality*