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Daily reminder that Locke was right and that all the critics of liberalism must now suffer the jab and coming reset as divine punishment for their odious and hateful error.
May God have mercy on us all.

>> No.19580366
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>>19580362
woah john locke said all of this? r/todayilearned

>> No.19580370

>>19580362
Pretty based champ, also looks fine as well.

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>>19580362
The rousseauian liberalism led to slavery and civil war (among other things) while lockean liberalism led to the destruction of native culture in favor of individualism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act

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>>19580377
> muh stolen land
Cry more, Tonto
> https://youtu.be/YKhi9ITkRgA

>> No.19580401

>>19580377
>NOOOOOO NOT LE HECKIN INDIANERINOS JOHN LOCKE DESTROYED THEIR WAY OF LIFE BASED ON IGNORANCE, SUPERSTITION AND COLLECTIVISM HOW IS LIBERALISM EVER GOING TO RECOVER FROM THIS CHARGE

>> No.19580404

>>19580400
It shows "individual liberty" is not the same as liberty. A very important distinction brought to you by a christian.

>> No.19580407

>>19580401
Aren't yall like nazis or commies? Anyways whether you say it was okay or not in this instance, we have very obv holes spring up that we can see. Those can't be fixed in lockean liberalism. The modern lockean liberalism is in walmart supplanting mom and pop stores etc (corporatism).

>> No.19580427

>>19580362
imagine not being able to cope with the inability to fly and having to come up with an entire abstract to compensate

>> No.19580477

>>19580404
No meaningful "liberty" can exist without true, individual liberty.
> You have to take the jab for the good of everyone else!!
This is what your logic leads to:
> https://youtu.be/VX0hn6F-jsI?t=480

>> No.19580490

>>19580477
You can have individual liberty taken care of w better liberties. We ban the right to steal and we all get more complex rights in marketplaces and higher trust societies.

>> No.19580511

>>19580490
Stealing goes against our natural conception of what is just. It's inherit to the very concept.
There never was a "right" to steal: in the natural state, if someone stole your shit you'd fuck them up; now the government does that for you (for a price).
Locke covers this.

>> No.19580528

>>19580511
You say this then in the same breath say it's okay to overturn "tyrannical governments" w violence.
In any sense you're just appealing to some priorness. Idc if ppl thought it was unjust, why is it unjust to steal when we can think of many just times it is okay.

On the same token you can say that some positive laws cover other laws. So we could promote anti rape laws for every single possible person out there or we could cover it all w a consent laws. By this we don't need to appeal to individuals (which would be impossible anyways) and can instead guarantee rights through different collectives (even an extremely general collective like this).
I would say guaranteeing consent laws by race or gender would be worse than guaranteeing them by education class or something to that effect. Obviously saying "you have a different level of consent based on your race" is worse thsn "you have a different level of consent based on your ability (education)". Individualism is worse because it can't make general exceptions meaningfully. It has to import or band aid laws to say "oh but children, prisoners, mentally infirmed" etc have different consent levels.