/lit/ - Literature

Based OP.

Uhhhhh

>>19576492
Taxation is theft
Goodkind is king

>>19576524
>Goodkind
>good
No.

Is Butcher’s prose actually worse than average for fantasy? I don’t want to have to read him to find out

>>19576579
I don't read contemporary fantasy.

>>19576560
>>19576584
If you want I’ll screenshot some pages and then the thread could talk about if the prose is actually that bad

>>19576560
Terry Goodkind was my biggest influence. He was more than a writer, he was an intellectual.

>>19576591
Do it.
Screenshots/blockquotes are objectively a strong tool for /sffg/ to determine if an author sucks or is worth reading. Case in point: Sando Branderson.

>>19576607
Do it

>>19576579
I didn't think his writing was particularly bad. Not particularly good either, but nothing horrendous, and pretty easy to read

>>19576620
Hows the story

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19576629
Fair(?). Talking about Dresden here, as that's the series I actually read.
The plot is pretty concise and well directed, though there is a certain ammount of things happening/character acting a certain way because plot, though it isn't too intrusive.
Henstly I'd say all of his stuff I read was fine, but it still hit me like a truck when I finished reading. Maybe I was connecting to it harder than I conciously knew, maybe it was just because I'd spent 3 months reading his stuff really intensely, maybe it was just sunk cost, but for some reason it really hit me.

>>19576591
Here’s one. Someone that’s actually read his stuff could pick better examples

>>19576591
>>19576607

>>19576662
>>19576667
Seems about average, no idea why the other anon was implying he was terrible

>pirating substance painter
heh heh heh

>>19576710
Cringe.

>>19576696
the second one is bdsm weirdo terry goodkind

>>19576819
where are you finding these kino bakker fanarts

>>19576850
Here

>>19576524
There is definitely something amusing about a Randian having both 'good' and 'kind' in his surname.

What other *chans do you discuss books at?

>>19576696
>>19576667
i'd say it doesn't flow well, it's probably below average. obviously would need some bigger excerpts to judge properly, preferably not as edgy as this one

>>19576850
i search cool inchoroi pictures on google images

Alright, which one of you recommended Tad Williams' "The War of the Flowers"? so far this is just a poor man's Weaveworld.

>>19577037
Gahoole's /lit/ only has one post every few days.

>>19576667
>>19576596
>>19576524
>b*kkerspam
>goodcuck spam
you people really are the lowest from of nigger. no wonder /sffg/ is shat on throughout /lit/. it used to be sanderspam, and now it's this loathsome goodcuck-bakkernigger dualistic autism.

>>19576492
its starmaker for me.

Do anyone of you guys read legends and folklore?
I find it a great inspiration for fantasy.

Do anyone of you guys know any good books on African folklore, like Yoruba legends?

>>19576492
This looks like a thread as good as any to ask. Way back when, I was still in middle school and there was this sci-fi book with these weird lance lasers that you basically released your grip on the weapon to fire them. Anybody know what I'm talking about? I'd like to find that series and actually read it

>>19577529
this one's really decent. It's a little muddied, y'know, due to the homogenization of the slave trade, but it's still probably the best you'll find out there. and if you dont like it, it's got alot of references, further reading, etc, at the back.

>>19577539
gonna have to give us way more than that, lad.

> Halfway through The Judging Eye
> It's another "whore is sad" chapter

When does it pick up?

>>19577596
What is Kelmomas doing?

>>19577566
Unfortunately that's about all that i remember. It was I want to say a short novel with art from I want to say 70s.
Oh, the page that described how the lance laser thing worked was a picture on the back I recall correctly.

>>19577539
Might be Ender's Game.

>>19577270
I'm learning German at the moment, and just wanted to ask a German bro if the book is hard or not.

>>19577566
>>19577602
>>19577539
Oh the laser Lance was like shaped like an old school medieval Lance basically. And you're finger placement charge the weapon, and if you took all you're fingers off it, not only did it take it off safe, but it fired full blast or something. It was a neat design but that's literally all I remember.

>>19576644
>no blog poast in almost two years
Bakker killed himself. Who is the new king?

>>19577618
I know the book. But I'm just as lost as you because apparently the rest of it wasn't interesting in the least.

>>19577608
Don't think so. The art was a lot janker.
Oh, wait, one more thing, if I recall correctly the whole reason for the lance is the universe had a feudalism but sci-fi thing going on.

>>19577625
Bakker

1 more week.

>>19576579
Define good prose. He's the king of the page turner, and his "twillight for guys" quickly becomes way better than they have any right to be.

K I N O
I
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>>19577702
So much KINO

>>19577529
no but i'm planning on reading the grimm brother's fairy tales next, and i also want to read that epic norse legend, can't remember now

>>19577625
Mieville, probably.

>>19577711

>>19577730
Absolutely not.

>>19577550
Thanks.

>>19577730
>Male with earrings.
Hard pass.

>>19577777
w a s t e d

>>19577777
Godlike Quints of truth.

>>19577702
>>19577711
>>19577740
soulless covers

>>19577781
AND WOUNDED

>>19577730
>>19577777
>earrings.
anon is right

>>19577777
This, especially if you want to be taken seriously as a writer, or anything other than a degenerate musician.

>>19577823
>>19577817
>>19577777
>superficialities determine value
Can't tell if you're just a bunch of closeted fags that are being catty about your male preferences like some dumb bimdos, of just actual brainlets that have rotted their brains by reading too much hacky dumb trash, like Sanderson or Butcher.

>>19577858
>>superficialities determine value
They are a great indicator, yes.

Hugos are all women again and they finally got to printsf.

I want to write a scifi story and things are going kinda swimmingly with the development of the plot, but I have a fundamental plot hole that I don't know how to resolve. Basically there's aliens posing as deities engaged in what amounts to intergalactic cockfighting with genetically engineered undeveloped civilizations and I need a reason for them to be ignoring the growing movement to overthrow them, especially after they've killed one of the 12 alien-gods on their planet and are no longer just viewed as "people throwing their lives away at a problem they cannot possibly fix." Any suggestions?

>>19577600
Just finished playing with Sammy

>>19577870
Soon, then.

>>19577711
UOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH CUNNY
ANASURIMBOR CUNNY

I am reading Earthsea currently it's mildly interesting reading about a guy wasting his talents in sorcery going around chasing ghosts and shadows but something feels dry about the story telling. Anybody knows if the story picks up in later volumes or the writing stays the same?
because I don't feel like reading the same shit from the author

>>19578443
You should have heed our warnings.

Earthsea is like reverse Lovecraft

What happened to him?

>>19578511
Who is that?

>>19578511
he cute

Rate A Cavern of Black Ice

>bakker
>abercrombie
>tolkien
>rothfuss
>sanderson
>goodkind

>>19578443
Earthsea is only appreciable as poetry is, and it doesn't stack up very well against poetry. No, Le Guin never developed the instinct for plot; she coasted on linguistics because it was enough to coast on.

>>19577865
It depends on what you're writing, but I would write them as being esoteric and occupied with other higher-dimensional concerns. Maybe time moves slower for them, for whatever "sci"-fi reasons you want. Or they have their own prophecies and they believe they know how their civilization will meet its end and that this has nothing to do with it. It depends on what you want to say. Really, if you ever are at a loss for what to do, you should consult the reason why you want to write the story, which should be its main intended appeal and something you could plainly state in one or two sentences.

>>19576492
What's some good Eastern SF/F?

>>19577865
Introduce an existential threat of their own to handle. If you want to keep it simple maybe one of their number goes totally batshit

The Wheel of time is uninteresting and boring. Im gonna finish it, but only beacuse of Sunk-Cost fallacy.

>>19577805
>random guy looking through a dinner plate
>not soulless

>start getting annoyed at seeing BotNS shilled across /lit/ and/ tv/
>"it was good but not that good"
>decide to reread it
It's actually even better than I remembered

Bros... how does he do it...

>>19579074
he cute

>>19579191
Do not call my waifu "he". *glowing embers you*

>>19577865
Characters doing things that don't make sense can be characterization if written properly.

Quick rundown on him:
>Nansur bow to Cnaiür
>in contact with the Consult
>rumoured to possess homosexual abilities
>controls the Jiünati Steppe with an iron fist
>owns wives and cattle all over Eärwa
>direct descendant of his dead father
>will bankroll the first cities in Golgotterath (Skiöthagrad will be be the first city)
>controls the Holy War
>said to have 200+ swazond
>he owns Tekne labs around the world
>first stillborn babies will be Skiötha No-Babies
>you likely have black seed inside you right now
>Skiötha is in regular communication with the Inchoroi Aurang and Aurax, forwarding the word of the Inverse Fire to the Consult
>he learned fluent Low Sheyic in under a week
>nation states entrust their Chorae reserves with him. There are no Chorae in the Chorae Hoard, only the Skiötha Horde
>he is 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human.
>in reality, he is a timeless being from Outside
>Cnaiür urs Skiötha will guide humanity into a new age of gay weeping and futanari

I am getting filtered by Wolfe?

Currently done with 1/4 of Sword of the Lictor, and I have rather conflicting ideas about this saga. The sides stories, the prose, the world, everything is woven together with such a mastery that I can only describe the experience as pure, magical wonder, yet the main plot, as interesting as Severian may be, seems...Like a teenager fantasy somewhat. Our hero falls in love with every single woman he meets to the point in which the question is not if he will get the girl but when, and I have no problem with charismatic and strong characters, but at the same time he seems so dry and passive in most of those interactions...

My point is, I am aware of how much Wolfe uses the unreliable narrator and that there is a reality hiding below this seemingly self-serving narrative Severian is weaving, yet, I cant find it. Is the value of this saga merely the prose and the puzzles the author presents during the adventure, or there is clues I should seek for in order to discover the truth about the life of Severian?

>>19579269
Severian was written as fan service and the stuff about sex/women was the bow on top of that, from what I've heard.

>>19579227
is he one of those boy kunoichi from taimanin?

>>19579269
The true Severian is largely up to interpretation although there is a little bit of additional detail in Urth and Return to the Whorl

Halfway through pic related and greatly enjoying it so far. Any similar books I should check out afterwards, Strugatsky or otherwise?

>>19579315
Definitely Maybe

>>19579269
The reality is iterative and changes in moments of retrospect over previous events. I mean that Severian both reveals a different interpretation of events and sometimes refers to events in past timelines. Most of this is very subtle, like the question of pederasty an anon mentioned, or not brought up until nearly the end of the series. Urth answers some questions, but only to ones you already have.

>>19579310
It's Reginn from Fire Emblem, chud.

I've been marathoning the first page of BOTNS for the past few nights. When does it get good?

>>19579354
At the Echopraxia for me. The start is a little heavy and sluggish before that but he writes it all with a slingshot narrative that accelerates to light speed right before it end.

>>19579269
Every woman Severian falls in love with has an ulterior motive or subconscious reason for being attracted to him. It will all make sense by the end of the book, BOTNS has a lot of depth but it isn't as deliberately confusing as some people make it out to be.

How can Western Fantasy even compete? You endlessly shill Sanderson and Bakker but they could never write anything so soulful as Journey to the West.

>>19579409
Poju's version is better

>>19579446
That has a terrible ending even by hentai manga standards when they attempt to have a story.

>>19578511
when they were attacking golgotterath, the demon which he had summoned was able to overpower him and pull him into the outside to fest on. the reason was that golgotterath is a topos that's really fucking deep (idk if deep is the right word, the outside basically overlaps with the real world because of how much suffering and evil happened there) and so the demon could just pluck iyokus' soul right out of his body

>>19578835
who is a good author then

have you read william sleator? i used to read those books in middle school, and they were so good i still think about them sometimes. I also read Piers Anthony, who i remember as being funny. Poul Anderson's Boat of a Million Years was a good read. Dan Simmons' Illium/Olympos was my favourite series until I read his Hyperion Cantos. E. E. Smith's Lensman series is good for pulpy scifi. I really got into Stephenson's Diamond Age when I read it, I have a soft spot for him though so it might actually be bad but i don't care. Cordwainer Smith's short stories are comfy and interesting sometimes. also if want weebshit i remember Terra E being good in like a space opera sort of way but i could be wrong. Planetes is good too, and the anime is v comfy. also Gankutsuou is great and has good yaoi fanart

>>19579264
cnaiurbros, i convinced my mother to read the darkness that comes before and she said cnaiur seemed like a loser and that she loved kellhus. did we get too cocky????

>>19579459
I've never lasted that long desu

>>19579269
At one point he rapes one of them, then later outright says "it could be said that I raped her, but I believe she wanted it." Don't worry too much; people wouldn't shill it if it didn't pay off.

>>19579264
Hearty kek

>>19579409
I like the part where they get pregnant

>>19579697
I'm reading BotNS for what I think is the fourth time. Is there a support group for this?

>>19579725
You're posting in it

>>19579446
>best character only has one scene
I beg to differ

>>19577448
/lit/ is the gayest board. Everyone here is a pseud why do you care what they think about this stupid general?

>>19578835
Don't put Goodkind in the same list as these brainlets.

Thoughts on Black Company?

The slog of slogs was the peak of the series.

>>19579315
Definitely Maybe

>>19579958
what series?

>>19580159
Second Asspocalypse

>>19579958
I'm of the opposite opinion, the entire Aspect Emperor series is incredibly sparce compared with the depth of Prince of Nothing's characterisation and world building. Akka's character gets reduced to a nebulous, stumbling smear during the Slog and he doesn't really come back until the end of The Great Ordeal.
The Three Seas sections of the second series are also a bit threadbare, but they're criminally underrated and alongside the best parts of the Aspect Emperor alongside Sorweel's sections and The Unholy Consult.

Like I promised, here's the first coomer general of /lit/ >>19580299

>>19580309
Okay this is based

>>19580303
I agree on Sorweel's sections being some of the best. But the slog was just really kino to me. The whole company's descent into madness + I really liked the Captain

Did China ban people from writing about crime or something? I'm trying to look for criminal themed webnovels so I can practice my Chinese but everything on qidian and uukanshu is romance webnovels, horror and cultivation trash #8651

>>19577817
Based Arabs

i just want something good as this

>>19579264
Based

>>19580437
Wizards First Rule?

REMINDER

>>19580365
>Did China ban people from writing about crime or something?
Unfortunately, authors that write that stuff have their hands tied, since when you write themes like "corruption", "murder" and "conspiracies" you can't be referring to public officials and politicians in any way in China.
Try to write a detective story without mentioning police, mafia, corruption and the usual crime stuff.....

>>19580516
>suckering people into wasting three months of their life reading a story about an emotionless psycho catching bugs
You're a sick man

>>19580516
I think I dropped this at 1k chapters like 2 years ago.
From what I recall, it was a pretty fun read and the author knew how to write a good climax for his arcs.

>>19576492
Is Black Company series any good?

>>19580761
It's mediocre.

>>19580761
It's alright. It's intentionally sparse with the prose to emulate how the story is being told in the protagonists logbook. It's a nice idea but it made the entire thing seem very dry to me.

>>19580303
Stop writing about yourself Bakker, it's really cringe

>>19580820
You are unironically delusional if you think that Bakker would write like that.

>>19577740
kino

the kellhuscuck fears the survivorchad

Fuck I love Conan.
Its way better than I expected.

>>19580952

Anyone knows some good fantasy novels about golems?

>>19581066
bartimaeus

>>19581066
Yes

>>19577462
Sorry, people only discuss modern pulp in these threads. Yes, that is one of the best sf books of all time.

>>19580983

>>19581066
The Torah

>>19580761
Yeah, I like the parts where the main character keeps writing fanfiction about the woman villain and everyone is making fun of him for it.

Why did she disable the comments?

>>19581539
they troubled her

>>19581539
She got humiliated pretty bad in the comments.

>>19579074
Berserk. Don’t. read any of that gay Cultivation shit from China.

>>19581585
I second that, Berserk worth it

>>19581582
what a dumb cunt. nice tits tho.

>>19581585
Shame the author worked slowly and kicked tthe bucket so soon. And to end at such a fucking important scene too.

>>19581704
His assistants took notes, hopefully they can salvage it for what its worth

>>19581539
bored of interacting with autistic fedora virgins (bakker readers) who are upset she didn't like the only series they ever read

>>19581765
Hello Brittany. Why is your Instagram private now?

>>19581704
He worked as fast as he could, Berserk is just on completely different level of art quality compared to basically everything else that constitutes manga as medium so it tool very large amount of work. In fact main reason of his death was him working so hard he completely exhausted his health by sleeping 4-6 hours a day for the first 15 years of his work.

>>19579032
>>19579087
>>19579252
I appreciate the input.

>you should consult the reason why you want to write the story, which should be its main intended appeal and something you could plainly state in one or two sentences.
What I want to write is a story about how it is wrong to misuse religion to do/justify evil, as well as explore the different ways we define "god" covering pantheism, pandeism, deism, polytheism, etc.

The whole point is that the aliens are going against their moral code that dictates "don't play god with lower species." I could write that one of them gets morally compromised about their actions, and is covertly giving the humans a means to defend themselves, while feigning ignorance and saying that the problem has been dealt with. All the while, the rest of the aliens are more focused about the danger of space police coming in and busting them for what amounts to the highest offense in their society- Like the outrage a catholic priest might have if he found out a conquistador was calling himself a god to a bunch of natives rather than bringing them to Christendom. But more or less they're too distracted about the threat from those above them to even consider the threat from those below.

>>19576667
I read this chapter yesterday. I never read fantasy really, but I enjoyed this book.

>>19578443
just travel back in time and read it as a teenager, then it will be S1 no problem

>>19577865
with the little context i have, maybe theres several things or combination or things you could do: have the aliens face a bigger threat, so that they worry about that before about the humans. or have some of the aliens cover up for the humans because they has something to gain from it, maybe power or resources the dead alien had, this way maybe you could make an interesting subplot with that faction of the aliens working to contain the humans directly but discretly, so htey can't be very effectively or else the other aliens find out. or maybe there's a faction of the aliens that actually betrays their own, and wants to cover up for the humans just to help them although i doubt it.

it sounds like a cool concept, post your book here when your finished

>>19576492
The Veiled Throne, The Dandelion Dynasty - Ken Liu (2021)
Each book in this series has been considerably different than the one that came before. Will the fourth be as well? Seems likely. Unlike the first two books, there's no war, or really even much combat at all. Instead, this entry focuses on a theme that's relatively common in Liu's short fiction, the immigrant experience. The clash of cultures is shown from both sides. A particular point of contention for the parents in either country is how the native culture seems to have a greater influence on their children than their parenting. As is to be expected these days for immigrants, there are also many refugees, who take boats and mostly drown. They're escaping ethnic cleansing and servitude, yet most end up indefinitely held in detainment camps with squalid conditions.

There's considerable discussion on the limitations of writing and reading, which is strongly reminiscent of Ted Chiang's "The Truth of Fact, The Truth of Feelings". Liu notes at the end of his story, "Single-Bit Error", "Because this story addresses themes similar to those explored in Ted Chiang’s story, I sought and obtained Chiang’s permission before publication." So that may be the case here as well, though it's not necessarily so. As with the second book, there's also discussion about educational reform. Alongside this is an exploration of how ostensibly well-meaning reformers may think they know best for some marginalized group of people, but are oblivious to the feelings of those same people. There's a lot more contemporary politics and lecturing than I remember from the first two books, which may bother some, but I don't mind at all when I'm enjoying it.

For me Part One is the weakest, because it both takes place in the past and outside of Dara. All the chapters outside of Dara interest me less, though I still enjoy them quite a bit. It took me a lot longer than I thought it'd take for me to really get into it. Part Four, the final part, is when I really started enjoying myself. Until then I had been thinking that I may have to rate it as only being very good, or maybe even just good, rather than great. The parts aren't equal though. Part Four is 46% of the book, which is roughly 500 pages. A large part of this final part is a cooking contest between two restaurants to determine who is the best in town. The contest involves more than just cooking and is an exhibition of silkpunk, which is what Liu calls this series. This was a case of "I didn't know I wanted this" and was the best part of the book for me.
Rating: 5/5

>>19576524
Taxation without representation IS theft.

>>19580555
>a story about an emotionless psycho catching bugs
but it is the best part of the story.
Sadly I have nearly finished reading it, I have about 300 chapters left, but I have yet to encounter a better main character/protagonist than Fang Yuan in western fantasy work (let alone anything released in the last 20 years).

>>19582831
ywnbaw moogy
also ywnbj

>>19580547
My xianxia has corrupt people all the time....

>>19577858
male with earrings detected

>>19580309
RIP

GOODCHADS CHECK IN!

>>19581539
God she's a monster

I don't get what you contrarian babies were crying about this was really good

>>19583310
It was a decent anime.

>>19583313
> It was a decent anime.
I know that wasn't your intention, but you just sold me on this.

>>19583310
No it wasn't, it was awful.

>>19583313
It's not even an anime, it's a marvel movie, or a bad shonen battle manga that gets cancelled in the first three volumes and never gets an anime.

>>19583310
I got bored during the first prologue
I got bored during the second prologue
I couldn't get through the first chapter

>>19583331
I had not intention other than sharing my opinion. I hope you enjoy it. The first two books are alright. The third and forth are dogshit.

>>19583310
No, not really.

>>19579539
>i like kellhus
>NOOOO YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO LIKE HIM HE IS INHUMAN DUNYAIN HE IS BASICALLY A ROBOT HE STEPS ON CORPSES TO ACHIEVE HIS FINAL GOAL EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS A LIE TO CONTROL YOU NNNNNUUUOOOOOOO
>but hes cool lol
based mom desu

>>19579958
The Cil-Aujas part was some of the best fiction I've ever read.
Same with the nonman mansion and the 3 kids, the whole going to the deepest depths on the world. I've always had a fascination with the underground and Bakker managed to do it perfectly in his fantasy setting imo

>>19582831
I agree
My only issue is that if I'll ever read any other cultivation shit, it will never be as good as Reverend Insanity. This genre basically peaked.

>>19580309
What was it deleted?

>>19583388
based

>>19583595
Porn lit threads have always been kicked around, no mod wants them on their board. The only stable one I know of is on /trash/, but it's for writers.

>snake pulled out the digital camera and decided to play a joke on Otacon. He snapped a picture of the pinup, muttered, "Good," and closed the door

>>19579958
Really? Just got there. Gonna go read it right now.

>>19583765
It's for good reason. They don't belong on blue boards and bump threads off slower red boards. It would do better off-site but there hasn't been a singular, active companion chan worth mentioning since 8 imploded. This is the case for a lot of threads that would benefit from slower, longform anonymous discussion regardless of the topic and what it brings with it.

The previous thread didn't reach the bump limit.

>>19584860
Jannies too busy watching cuck porn to give a shit about their job. In other news, water is wet.

I am sick of sequels, prequels, trilogies, and spinoffs. Who are the best /sffg/ authors that have mostly written standalone novels? Here's my list:

* H. G. Wells (1866-1946)
* Robert L. Forward (1932-2002)
* Arthur C. Clarke (1917-2008)
* Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
* Kim Stanley Robinson (1952-)
* Greg Egan (1961-)
* Andy Weir (1972-)

Anybody else?

>>19579951
First book is an easy and standalone read that ends in an open fashion. It's more military than dark fantasy compared to other works that succeeded it.

>>19585097
Brian W. Aldiss

>>19581965
If only that were the case.

>>19577865
As another anon stated, having the aliens bot be completely unified and seeing the death of the other as a fortunate 'accident'. Could have it they They hang a few vermin to set an example and expect the status quo to return perhaps. They can then subvert the resistance movement, which then backfires and grows it

>>19585232
delet

>>19577805
I actually like pic related cover, but not any of the other ones

>>19578511
That retard got yeeted directly into the mega gay zone

>>19585097
Pratchett
>but muh 42 discworld books
almost all off them written to be read as standalone novels

I watched the Station Eleven HBO series. Some of it anyway. I don't seem to care enough to watch it though. I liked the book.

>>19585710
>almost all off them written to be read as standalone novels

>>19585710
>>19585777
>42 discworld books

>>19583535
Agreed.
Basically from Kosoter's appearance to his death it's pure unadulterated kino.

>>19583535
Cil-Aujas part was pretty based but the Ishterebinth mansion part with Sorweel was pure torture to read through

>>19585800
Leave

>>19585800
ugly tranny, you scare children

>>19580761
First two books are very good, then it nose dives.

>>19586311
i'd say first two books have some very good parts, and some very bad, and overall they are good

>>19585800
Still better than anything you will ever write.

>>19584860
Does it trouble you, Moogy?

>>19585800
I hate you

>>19583150
Baaaaased

Which fantasy novels make you feel like reading Old Testament?

>>19586679
Sword of Truth

>>19586679
The Old Testament

>>19586883
epic

>>19586679
The Way of Kings

>>19585097
PHILIP K DICK YOU FAGGOT

>>19585097
Delany, Zelazny, Ballard, Silverberg, Sturgeon, Stapledon, Wells, Disch, Sheckley, Simak, Malzberg, M John Harrison, John Crowley, Bester

Reading Dune: Messiah. I don't understand the Jihad. Paul's the emperor. The previous emperor surrendered and consented to house arrest (basically). Who the hell is fighting so hard that the Fremen can rack up 91 billion kills?

>>19586679
Unironically The Second Apocalypse.

>>19582810
I read the first book in the series a while back. It was honestly a unique experience, but probably the first time I'd read an Eastern fantasy.

I got this at the salvation army is it better than the shitty movie?

>>19587345
Somewhat. There was brief discussion of it in a recent thread.

>>19587345
It's difficult for me to say how credibly Eastern the works are because the Eastern fantasy I've finished are either by immigrants who have spent the vast majority of their lives outside of their birth country or are so influenced by Western fantasy as for it to be difficult to tell apart.

>>19587384
Yes

>>19587253
Didn't Paul just have his legions floating all over the shop killing everyone?

>>19587698
How does that make any sense?

>>19586679
The prince of Nothing is the closest thing you will have to the bible.

>>19582810
I couldn't get through the first chapter of the first novel in this series. The dialogue and characters were like cardboard. Does it get measurably better quickly?

>>19588529
Here's what what I wrote:
1st & 2nd books:
>>/lit/thread/S16582271#p16585589
>>/lit/thread/S19302423#p19310417
As to your question, for you, most likely not.

>>19587507
This guy gets it. Just compare any average chinese xianxia to A Thousand Li

>>19588568
The last book was cool. I'm glad the series has been finally revving up and the author keeps improving.

>>19588560
God I wish I could drop my standards to whatever level yours are at
Enjoying books like that sounds fun

>>19588594
Me too. Ever since I read Goodkind I can't really enjoy this low iq shit.

>>19588594
It's more like different types of standards rather than a single scale.
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=sffg
I've changed some stuff in my GR profile over time because they can be edited.

>>19586679
None, because fantasy novels are read for entertainment thus making them fundamentally incompatible.

>>19588568
a thousand Li is terrible

>>19588633
>None
Wrong.
>because fantasy novels are read for entertainment
Wrong.
>thus making them fundamentally incompatible.
Wrong.

Simple as.

>>19583313
>>19583335
No, it's a JRPG.

>>19588642
Elaborate

>>19588648
The Bible is fantasy.

>>19588660
>The Bible is Epic* Fantasy
FTFY

Any good sci-fi dealing with bureaucracies? I'm thinking of things like Gnomon, some Jeff Vandermeer stuff. Mieville had it a little with The City and the City. Government organizations, red tape, etc

>>19589125
Unironically, the Undying Mercenaries series by B.V Larson
>Earth is inducted into an galactic bureaucracy by force
>Half the series is about evading galactic laws, breaking galactic laws (and concealing that fact), and trying to prevent earth be glassed by aliens

Any fantasy for this feel?

>>19589148
>hermaphrodite
>still got a bigger penis than me

>>19589159
No, that's a woman's clit.

>>19586679
Silmarillion.

What are some Sci-Fi books that are anti-technology?

>>19588235
?

>>19589296
I'm sorry for what I am about to say but the robot on the cover looks like a Stand

I just began reading this, do i like it?

>>19589444
nah read bakker instead

Just finished this, read Hotshot before but I haven't started on the other 2 short stories - do they help make the ending any less anticlimactic?

>>19589444
The best

Anyone find it peculiar that /lit/ give him his proper due but /tg/ seethes and despises him with a passion?

>>19589617
>A board full of communist athiest commies arrogant enough to believe the crap they come up with in in their threads is superior to the whole sum of human experience rallying against the professor

Color me shocked.

Recommend some non-communist, non-atheist, non-commie and non-arrogant Literature

>>19589955
Color me shocked

>>19579074
Cradle is the best out there, easily

>>19589955
I'm sure the children's section of your local library has you covered.

>>19589992
Dilate abomination

>>19589955
Reverend Insanity

>>19589955
>non-communist
>non-commie
The Left Hand of Darkness

>what the fuck, bud? the inchie on leddit said we'd've heard from the hoser by now

Just finished reading Idoru. It was pretty good, best read I've had in a while. If felt like the plot didn't start until 2/3 of the book, but despite that I was pretty invested throughout. Really liked the concepts being explored, and everything felt pretty modern for something written nearly 30 years ago. Really recommend it to anyone interested in Cyberpunk.
I am tempted to read the previous/following boks in the series just to see more of these charatcters, but I'll give it some time.
Not sure what to read next though. Currently deciding between
> The Songs of Distant Earth - Arthur C. Clarke
> Solaris - Stanisław Lem
> Discworld City Watch - Terry Pratchet
> The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever - Stephen R. Donaldson
> Earthsea Cycle - Ursula K. Le Guin
> The King in Yellow - Robert W. Chambers
> One Piece
I'll take any reviews/recommendation of these by you guys.

>>19590238
I remember reading King in Yellow 20 years ago and getting mad because it turns from cosmic horror to french romance halfway through. Honestly the latter half is the only thing I remember now.

>>19589125
I don't know if it'll be exactly what you want as I haven't read your examples, but you could try Infomocracy and its following books.
Here's what I thought about them:
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=Older+Centenal&search_tripcode=sffg

>>19589125
Gnomon was a very good book. One of the only good modern sci fi I've read. Too long though.

I just finished God Emperor of Dune and what the fuck was that? I feel like it all lead up to nothing and I think I got lost somewhere near the last third. I should've stopped after Dune Messiah, the was way better Children and this

>>19590489
That was one of the paths from the Dune reading guide, yes.

>>19590489
Filtered
That's ok, I was filtered too

>>19589296
>The Werewolf Principle
I read that novel ages ago and couldn't remember the name.

>>19590542
"Filtered" is a nonsensical meme.

>>/lit/thread/S19580299

What people want from "coomerlit" is rather silly and especially the one guy who probably made the thread simply can't be satisfied. They seem to want something that both appeals to a literary sensibility and also to sexual desire AND is also SFF. Due to market pressures, this eliminates most traditionally published stuff, especially SFF with regular explicitly described sex that lasts for a long time.
As I was going through my Calibre library I came across an anthology of short fiction called Best Fantastic Erotica, which seems to be all SFF erotica, but it didn't appeal to me. I doubt it would for the above either. I've seen some SFF erotica on websites dedicated to such material, but there isn't much and none of it really appealed to me, even though I liked the ideas. I have doubts it would suffice for "coomerlit" either. How unfortunate to ever be seeking something that may never be found.
Then for non-SFF stuff, there's tons and tons obviously. Some of it's in huge collections, like the The Mammoth Book of Best New Erotica series.
One other random one: Sirens and Other Daemon Lovers

>>19590653
I'm reading Dragon's Justice right now. It's extremely cringe, but it's enjoyable, so I'm going to give it a chance and keep reading it.
As far as what people want from coomlit, it's a pretty broad genre. The Sharing Knife series by Bujold is objectively coomlit, with lots of explicit sex, but it's still tasteful and has literary merit. Coomlit doesn't have to have busty anime girls on the cover to be coomlit.

I need more weird absurdist shit like this.

>>19590551
>getting filtered by 'filtered'
lmao

Is steampunk considered SF? I want to discuss some good ol steampunk, yessir.

>>19590914
Yes, but it's terrible, so no.

>>19590916
I wanted to talk about this. It's arguably steampunk and Gravity's Rainbow is arguably sci fi too.

>>19590914
>good
>steampunk
choose none

>>19590981
Have you read Against the Day then?

Unrelated to the thread subject but I was wondering. How many of you who regularly read novels, have any interest in writing them?

>>19590995
/wg/ has its fair share of Speculative Fiction writers. I think I wanna write a three-part series that goes from medievalism to futuristic setting, but only just started.

>>19590999
Greetings, Anon
Have you heard of this obscure series by the unknown author Brandon Sanderson? It's called Mistborn. It's a three-part series that goes from medievalism to futuristic setting, and it's roughly halfway through.

>>19589296
Half Past Human and its sequel, the Godwhale. They are actually really good and i should shill them more here, i specially liked the first book

>>19589444
yes, it's fantastic. it's fantastic at everything, prose, world building, characters, plot, everything

>>19591072
Hey, this is Brandon Sanderson. I was just posting about Mistborn in hopes someone would recognise it.

>>19579178
Like Tolkien he went to war and was a devout Christian, this seems to be the magic recipe for being a good sff writer.

What the fuck is up with ebook page counts? Finished Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion, thinking they'd be a nice and fast light read, but each of them are closer to 10000 locations in ebook format, which is over 1.5 as many as 600 page books.

Do old ebooks just use the paperback page count? How fucking big were the pages in these books? Goddamn.

>>19591252
Different formating. Some consider 1 location to be 1 page, some consider it to be a paragraph. others even consider it to be a sentence. There's no standard because they're all transcribed by different companies and people.

What's a location

>>19586679
The Silmarillion obviously

>>19591257
Oh a standard Kindle device, you typically see 5 - 8 locations worth of text on-screen depending on font size. This is universal across anything you read on the device. The Kindle store should do away with page counts altogether, as it's not a good measure of how long a book takes to read. For instance, I have a version of Lovecraft's Complete Fiction on my device that's 400 pages long, yet has 20k locations. A page doesn't really mean anything on an e-reader.

>>19591281
Basically a character/word count based on the document's filesize. 1 location is 150 bytes. It's much more consistent than page numbers. Amazon promotes "print length" rather than filesize.

>>19591252
i have an extension on calibre that counts words and use that to measure instead of page count

>>19579129
>Im gonna finish it, but only beacuse of Sunk-Cost fallacy.
me reading any series that is long past it's prime
>>19585777
yes, there are no plot-threads spanning multiple books, at most there is some "character development", and worldbuilding, but nothing you need to worry about if you pick up a random book.

>>19579725
I did it. I finally took the Walrus pill. I found a set of first edition BotNS paperbacks at the thrift store and finished Shadow of the Torturer last night. Its somehow living up to the hype, so looks like my productivity is going to decline pretty dramatically these next few weeks.

>>19589125
Lem
Memoirs Found in a Bathtub

>>19579298
>>19579551
it's incredible the amount of kvetching online done over botns not being filled to the brim with "stronk wahmens"

modern readers are truly a special breed, it's why lately it's been harder and harder to find new releases that aren't just the socjus equivalent of fanservice

case in point-how many awards has nk "half savage" jemisin won? More than many truly great authors whose work can actually make you think

Why didn't any of Jack Vance's books get adapted into video games? I just started reading Planet of Adventure and the setting would be great for an RPG.

Is Colour of Magic good

>>19592065
Yes, but it's primitive as a Discworld book. It was indented as a one of book, and it's plot is mostly an excuse for jokes, later books starting with maybe Mort have better balance of jokes and actual plot.
If you haven't read any discworld I would start with Mort, Sorcery or Guards Guards
If you already like the series there is no need to skip Colour of Magic.

Can anyone recommend some good third person limited POV fantasy novels? Also, does anyone know any books that give off a vibe like they're set in Runescape? Meaning a very whimiscal fantasy setting that's comical and light-hearted. I've been recommend terry pratchett and his stuff was good

>>19592029
Vancian magic was one of the major inspirations for D&D, so that'll have to be close enough.

>>19592139
If you want short fiction, you can try the Mammoth Book of Comic Fantasy,

Is The Belgariad worth reading?

>>19592388
Huh?

>>19592388
really generic as far as i know, not that bad though

Fall of Hyperion is kinda shit. What's even the point of Martin Silenus? His perspective in the first book was just world building. Simmons just put him right on the tree in the second book.

>>19589631
Christ is that what /tg/ has become? QRD of what went wrong and when?

is there literature akin to Hellsing Ultimate?

>>19592694
/tg/ doesn’t play any tabletop games.

>>19592713
Have you tried reading any of Anne Rice Vampire novels?

New thread
>>19592721

>>19577637
Who is this? Some friend of Bakker?

>>19592719
nta but I watched Interview With the Vampire this morning and the historical parts were way better than the modern day parts, even if they hardly came up. Are all of her novels framed from the present day, present time, or are some totally historical?

>>19592743
Her second book does the same

>>19590892
have you read Sisyphean by Torishima Dempow?

>>19593137
Looks interesting, I'll check it out.