/lit/ - Literature

You have read this masterpiece, right anons?

Terry Goodkind is the king of /sffg/

>>19570685
Yes, I'm the reason why you post it so much on /lit/

>tfw only just started White-Luck Warrior
>tfw ngmi with the entire series till 2022

>three /sffg/ threads at once
As expected of a mentally ill OP.

>>19570691
I'm doing an inception on the literary community, like Leonardo DiCaprio

DO NOT POST ABOUT CHARTS.
YOUR LOYALTY IS MEANT ONLY FOR BAKKER.
DON'T FORGET WHO YOUR MASTER IS.
CEASE AND DESIST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT GOES WHERE.

>>19570704
Bakker < Goodkind

>>19570704
YOUR LOYALTY IS MEANT ONLY FOR BAKKER.
That may be, but measure of books is unceasing.

>>19570675
based cover
Is Three Body Problem any good?

What xianxia are you guys reading?

>>19570758
>Is Three Body Problem any good
G-d, NO.

>>19570758
>>19570765
No, Bakker disapproved of it.

I love "present day" science fiction!

>>19570770
You're not allowed to do that.

>>19570791
I mean present day as in set in the present, not written in the present, if you see what I mean. We already live in the cyber/biopunk future of technology and corporations and bullshit, you just don't notice because it comes on so slowly and doesn't have the explosively new aesthetics.

Short story I wrote this weekend. What do you think?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AvN2KgTx7Ys-c7rhl5E7IwNIyjy-WOs4rBwlhQwBaWs/edit?usp=sharing

>>19570698
That would explain it.

Chartmoogies last update
I am not sure if he was scared away by the surge of toxicity

Contested books:
>Malazan down
>Hyperion up

Popular demands:
>Perdido Station down

If I read the consensus right then the next change should be swap Hyperion and Perdido and move Malazan one down

>>19570758
>Is Three Body Problem any good?
It's probably the best science fiction trilogy of the last two decades

I would like to thank the anon who brought up Down to a Sunless Sea in one of the last few threads. It blows up about half-way through in the span of couple of pages. Also, some standout parts.

>Show me a man who dislikes being raped slowly and enthusiastically by a hotblooded gorgeous Irish colleen, and I’ll show you a man with a problem.

>>19570852
>heinlein in D
Oh shit nigger what are you doing?

>>19570675
No! You Bakkerchads are supposed to be creating the threads! Its supposed to be me, who advocates for Cradle. Stop it you schizoids and take your meds! Bump limit was NOT reached!

>>19570862
> a stranger in a strange land
> Anything higher than D
We can include something else from him higher up, but this book doesn't deserve anything higher

>>19570852
I am here, I exist. I’ve been doing work as I have a 9 to 5 job and I had to get shit done afterwards and soon I’ll got to gym. I’ll update the chart later.

Any fantasy books that got cute boys with animals ears? I'm looking for ones that got bunnyboys and catboys, and it has to be good too.

>>19570845
There’s /wg/ fuck off.

>>19570879
Extremely based.

>>19570862
Heinlein wrote some pretty good books.

A Stranger in Strange Land is not one of them. It doesn't get a pass for being a pos just for
>""mmuh pappy Heinlein"
So, I support it's current tier position.

>>19570875
Seems you didn't realize how involved this would become. The solution is to let anyone update it, not only you.

>>19570852
>>Perdido Station down
Should we include the entirety of the Bas-Lag trilogy, though?

>>19570927
Anyone can have a say, at least when only one person modifies it shit stays in some control. Imagine five different versions circulating here.

>>19570927
The chart is for him to feel good nothing more, anon.

>>19570937
not seperately, and they are either on roughly the same level or worse

NOW YOU ARE FUCKED, SHIT OUT OF LUCK

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

I've changed my mind. This isn't worth it. Do whatever you want.

>>19570979
Huge Faggot

simple as.

>>19571001
Based.

Post the final version please.

>>19571001
>>19566212
>ChartMaker !5dU4dtp5Uo
>ChartMaker !5dU4DlDuBs
Shiggydiggy

>>19571009
Imagine not using a secure tripcode.

>>19570875
>>19571001
Imagine

>>19570698
>>19570850
Just proof that /sffg/ has never been this popular.

Simple as.

>>19571001
Fake.

>>19570852
>swap Hyperion and Perdido
Yes, probably for the best.

>>19570852
Is there a text version of this?

>>19570979

This is the last novella for now. I was going to wait until later, hopefully there isn't a fourth thread, but I'm going to be starting a long book and don't want to be overly distracted from it. There's a lot I have to think over for the upcoming new year, including whether I want to continue posting these in the thread.

>>19570675
Vigilance - Robert Jackson Bennett (2019)
This novella is a satire about producing mass shootings for the purpose of profit and propaganda. This is a very American book, so do I wonder if non-American readers would be anything other than utterly horrified by how bleak it is. It's intensely political from start to finish and is without a doubt one of the most political works of fiction I've ever read. As to be expected from that, opinions will extremely vary depending on personal beliefs. I think anyone who tries to read this seriously rather than as satire will have a bad time regardless, though in different ways depending on how they interpret it. It's absurd, ridiculous, over-the-top, nonsensical, cynical, pessimistic, and by the end, melodramatic and unbelievable. It's very easy for me to see how this could be rated from being one of the worst to the best a person has read, or why they'd absolutely refuse to read it. There are so many different probable emotional responses.

Active shooters are recruited and paid to livestream their massacres. A bit more than a year after this was published the Christchurch mosque shootings were livestreamed. Those being shot are paid many times more if they kill the shooter. Basically everyone has a gun on them at literally all times because they know at any moment someone could try to shoot them. If the shooter kills everyone, they are paid many times more.

Mass shootings aren't defined within the text, though it notes that "It was the 514th mass shooting of 2026 that had spawned the idea". According to the Gun Violence Archive, as of today, December 13th 2021, there have been 667 mass shooting in the United States in 2021. So, depending on the definition, the author may have undershot his target projection. Mass shootings were only a bit more than 1% of the gun deaths in the US in 2021, which is estimated to be around ~42k, more than half of which are suicides. Their salience comes from how public they are and who the victims are. The primary purpose of a terrorist attack is to create terror and they do that very well. That being said, gun deaths aren't even half that of drug overdose deaths, which exceeded 100k in 2021 in the US. And drug overdose deaths are only a small fraction of...but I digress. Many of these deaths can be categorized together as "deaths of despair". If nothing else, that's what this novella is about, deaths from despair wrought by fear.

By the time I was 15%/~20 pages in I was already laughing so hard that I was crying. I was thoroughly amused from start to finish. A typical reaction seems to be to feel disgusted, queasy, even nauseous, and quite disturbed. If I could take it seriously, maybe I would've felt like that, but as it was, I didn't at all. It was easy for me to overlook all the narrative flaws because this is about the author's raw emotional distress being used to portray a certain mood and worldview rather than so much a story.
Rating: 5/5

>>19570852
Is The Once and Future King that good?

>>19570854
I can’t stand the prose but I also read 30 pages before putting it down

>>19571019
Leave it to /sffg/ to ruin the one good thing that's happened to it in the past 4+ months

>>19571123
Books 2 and 3 retroactively take book 1 from a 5 or 6/10 to an 8

>>19571122
Yes

>>19571019
Keep going, bro. One more iteration, at least.

What are some good Grimdark books? I like GRRM's romantic trapped in an evil universe style

>>19571169
The Holy Bible.

>>19571123
The prose has its highs and lows but I generally liked it. Anyway, try to make it to the middle part at least, it gets better.

>>19571155
I never said I was stopping. I’ll keep doing the updates, but currently I am at the gym. Thank you.

>>19571183
>I'm a normie and proud of it!
Begone!

>>19570927
that would result in several parallel branches, it's retarded. any contrarian fag could mantain his own version and sabotage the rest, charts should be authoritarian whith the tripfag as benevolent dictator

>>19571183
Based.

Fuck the false flagging shitters.

>>19571194
No

>Moogy desperately trying to shut down the ChartMaker.

>>19571203
I might as well change to a secure tripcode. Im sure Moogy is doing what he can to decode it. This is my new secure trip. To prove that that it is the true ChartMaker I’ll give away my trip code which was MoogyNigger

GAS MOOGY

>>19571242
Testing if true

The Amulet of Kings is ancient

>>19571309
Screen shot quoting his pervious posts.

>>19571320

>>19571183
I guess I’ll do this as well for another screenshot
>>19571309
>>19571334
>>19571320

>>19570852
wait you guys added scifi books, i thought this was fantasy only

>When even Reddit is shitting on Moogy.

Is it plausible to assume that the Inchoroi's looks were inspired by these things?

>>19570852
Switch out Abercrombie and Conan. Neither are at all deep, but Conan is better written by miles.

>>19571122
No. It is shit. Read Le Morte D'Arthur.

>>19570979
That's not Terry Goodkind

>>19571502
>Le Morte D'Arthur.
ZZZ

>>19571122
>>19571498
no

>>19570852
Gardens of the Moon may not be an A4, but Malazan as a whole definitely fits there.

>>19571556
Abercrombie isn't better than Howard. Saying that is retarded.

>>19571655
Try harder.

>>19571655
This desu.

>>19571714
Defend your opinion. Abercrombie is dollar store Martin, which is really saying something. Him repeating phrases isn't some sort of literary masterstroke, and that is the only thing that sets him apart from grimdark fantasy. Besides the various girlboss protagonists in his latest trilogy.

Pic related may be cringe or not particularly astounding, but is more soulful than literally anything Abercrombie has ever written. And it’s just a depressed thought of Howard - written on scrap paper - before he offed himself.

>>19571813
Not him, Abercrombie you don't read for the prose or action, although he can certainly write.
You read him for the cripple Sand Dan Glokta, who has a really interesting arc which exceeds Conan in meaning, and the other moments when Abercrombie pulls a lucky straw in characterisation and creates a really compelling one. Bayaz is really good aswell, particularily in later books.
Different strengths, I would not have a problem with Howard in A, but Abercrombie is actually better than Howard.
Maybe move Pratchett to S, that would not be an upset, then there is room for both.

>>19571841
Sorry, I don't take literary advice from ESL. You just proved that he can't write.

>>19571849
God what a fucking retard you are, wants to argue the quality of Howards writing, but has to escape to vague meaningless concepts like soul, and can't even quote actual prose or even BOOK PASSAGES, but quotes the suicide letter. Am I arguing with a negro who hasn't even read the book he is defending?
Not a strong show.

This >>19571849 isn't me.
>>19571841
The character of Conan has just as much depth as Glokta. Far more I'd argue.
>I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.
It is something that is lost when the archetypical barbarian (in part created by Conan) is aped by other writers. He is very much introspective, just not in the way civilised philosophers are.

Meanwhile Glokta goes from
>Who cares, life is meaningless
to
>Who cares, life is meaningless, but I have some people I love
There isn't much of an arc, just a guy trying to convince himself nothing matters when in his heart he knows that isn't true. Bayaz being cool doesn't really factor into the fact his character doesn't grow or change over the novels.

Besides, 'eh, that is interesting' doesn't trump 'this is enjoyable to read'.

>>19571786
It's a fucking slog.

>>19571813
>Abercrombie is dollar store Martin
Those two are nothing at all alike, and Howard isn't like either of them either. You might as well aim your random ass autismo crusade at Lewis vs Conan instead.

>>19571897
Bayaz doesn't change because he is an antagonist not a protagonist
Logan and Ferro do actually have interesting arcs in the fact that they fail to change. They go through all of this slow by the book character development to leave their past behind, but when each of them has almost made it they have this moment where they have a chance to escape their fate, but then their old life overwhelms them, they fail, and they literally return to it.
Ferros arc is pretty much a weaker version of Logans, but having an arc quite deliberately fizzle out like this is quite interesting, because it adds a deep touch of authenticity, because some things you just can't magically escape from. And sometimes you relapse on the steps of victory.

Also there is a lot more under the hood with Glokta than you see. His change is one of the sort of redemption, his life is still shit because he can't escape his miserable life, but he has grown wise enough over the years to know that he shouldn't even try that, as this is a miserable realistic world where changing your own fate is dependant on luck just as much as on determination. His way to break the cycle, and edge out a happy ending for at least one of the characters is altruism.
It is the tale of an old man with a failed life, who realises that planting a tiny seed of joy in the next generation is the best thing he can do.
This arc gives Abercrombie the shred of nobility which elevates good grimdark over the valueless garbage of the rest.

As for fun to read being more important than interesting arcs and characters, don't interesting arcs and characters make books fun to read? You need to claim what this vague soul is in this case, that undeniably elevates Howard above Abercrombie. Pacing? Prose? Philosophy?

>>19571945
Multi-pov where everyone has grey morals. Very little magic and mostly focused on pseudo historical warfare and politicking. Pessimistic view of human nature, love, and pretty much everything else.

Abercrombie likes his commas more, but that is about it difference wise. Abercrombie himself describes Howard as a "towering mythic genius".

>>19571977
Right, so what makes every single one of those characters deep is that they try to change and fail. This is apparently deeper still because the wax poetically about it, or lament their situation in a blasé fashion sometimes. You can't escape your nature, the world is a pile of shit and you just have to make the best you can from it. etc etc etc.

Howard is better than Abercrombie with regards to pacing and prose. 100%. He was working with greater limits and has produced more of an impact on the fantasy scene than Abercrombie has or will, spawning the genre Abercrombie's stories are partly a subversion of (though its more Tolkien with regards to people/Earthsea with regards to magic). You know that chapter of the Heroes that everyone praises for being super tight? The multi-pov one that switches upon each character’s death? All of Howards Conan stories are that tightly done, imo, only with nicer turns of phrase and word choice.

With Philosophy you can't really say. I find the pessimism of Abercrombie pretty toothless (yeah everyone is bad/grey, you can't be perfectly perfect... anything else to say?) and I enjoy Conan being just as bull-headed intellectually as he is physically. The philosophy of ‘stop being a pussy’ is amusing in how Howard often frames it, and certainly fits given the character.

As to what the soul is, I think you experience a greater amount of emotion when reading Conan than you do Abercrombie. The highs are higher and the lows are lower, basically.

>Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet.

Its very grandiose to me. But grandiose in a good and enjoyable way.

Back to the grindstone. Last opportunity to give recs as I start working on the new update

>>19571122
Yes

>>19571182
There was a rock, grey like a rock. Beside it was a tree, with brown bark rugged, like bark.

>>19571841
Tough McVeteran spat onto the freezing mud as he pulled his sword out of the southerner's guts. To his left was Quiet Archer, to his right was Crazy Axeman. A quick ambush in the dead of night and five more bodies in the mud. It was always risky, that dance with death. But he had figured they could handle it. They had been fighting their entire lives, and they had gotten pretty good at it.
"McVeteran, you're the dumbest horse pussy I've ever seen," spat Bitchy Cunt.
"Aye," he smirked.

>>19571537
>I want to read Arthurian tales
>NO WAIT I DON'T. CAN I GET THE BABY VERSION INSTEAD!?!

>>19572126
Just read my short story instead desu >>19570845

>>19570845
That’s some awful dialogue

Alright, another round of update. As you can see, there are some slots that are already full. If you want to suggest a book or a book series, and the slot that you want to put it is full, you'll have to either recommend moving something from that slot to somewhere else or otherwise explain why your book is more relevant to take over some other. I've thrown some books at random there to insight violence in the thread. I tried to take into consideration most of the suggestions that came.

>>19572173
Wow, Way of Kings really fell from where it was initially placed.
Good job chart man

>>19572173

>>19572173
You are missing an important book.
Even though I loved it, I would rank it a A4 or B4, the characters aren't that deep but the language immerses you in this world. It's not quite wolfe-tier obtuse but the language and names (demon land, witchland, Prince La Fireez) take some getting used to. Heavily inspired by Norse sagas and the author translated several into English.

Would appreciate more input on it's spot.

>>19572162
It's pulp fiction not deep philosophy but thank you for your impression (I mean it)

>>19572228
Pic related, again, I think A4, maybe B4 if the style doesn't take you in.

>>19572090
Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy shoud go somewhere around A2. Literary fantasy you need decent emotional intelligence to understand.

>>19572234
>>19572228
It is in A2 slot atm. Ill take this new info into consideration.

>>19572234
I didn't like it.

Okay, its midnight here so see you tomorrow.

>abercrombie
>deep
DUDE WAR BAD DUDE LOGEN FEELING SAD AND SORRY FOR HIMSELF AND SECRETLY BEING A BERSERK BADASS
do pseuds find this shit deep?

>>19572234
>>19572237
Yeah you need an old english dictionary for that one.

>>19572290
I unironically like books that need dictionary. I like to expand my vocambulary.

>>19572290
The only word I've found that I didn't immediately recognize was escarbuncle, but my vocabulary is refulgent with such shewstones.

>>19572081
Eh good fight. I guess the chartmaker is the judge here. None of you quite got that the point of Abercrombie is not the sadness or the bleakness of the world, quite in contrast, it only exists to contrast the way out of the circle of bleak violence.
Glokta is Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. He is the only one who gets that the way out of the misery of this world is to help others achieve their path.
The philosophy is not just that the world is shit, it is also that the only way for good to flourish in such a shit world is in tiny places, where it can slowly grow.

Also what is it with Conan and attracting such low IQ mongoloids such as >>19572261 >>19572101 >>19571849 ?

I'm a fan of Conan but he literally belongs in C tier. The tiers have a fucking specific meaning to them and doesn't refer to how big a fanboy you are.

>>19572237
Whoops, my bad, I didn't notice it there. I think it should be at least at 3 if not 4 because in my anecdotal experience even most fantasy fans I recommend it to can't get into it. It's definitely not S, the characters are too shallow for that, but its prose and rhythm, themes of greatness(the demons respect the witches for the fighting, part of being great is treating on plebs), and a setting that is charmingly childlike (the names are not in invented language, the sound like they were dreamed up by a child) elevate it past how shallow the characters are. It also fits with elevating the heroes rather than rounding them out into real people.

I dunno, I really liked it.

>>19572339
I literally made up the meaning in half a minute explaining it to an anon and chartmaker parroted it. Seeing as how it is my interpretation, Conan is a B.

>>19570687
>Makes Daniel Greene seethe
I've never read a word of him but he's based

>>19572319
'Bad world, but some people trying to good' is not fucking deep. Very surface level stuff.

Glokta isn't a fucking greek philosopher with his tree planting nonsense. He wants to win and still loves people. That is it. His entire character arc is to stop denying that he is still the same man he was before being crippled, just humbled slightly.

A lot of the divide between old and new fantasy can be summarised by a lot of new fantasy going
>WOT IF EVERYTHING WAS SHIT YEAH?
Then psychoanalysing it pointlessly.

>>19572319
Retard.

>>19572319
>The philosophy is not just that the world is shit, it is also that the only way for good to flourish in such a shit world is in tiny places, where it can slowly grow.
Epic gamer moment right here.

>>19572339
>Conan belongs with Wheel of Time and Prince of Thorns
Lol. Lmao.

>>19572371
>actual basedposting subhumans
maybe there is something to the midwit curve

>>19572406
Cringe.

Try again.

>>19572359
also I meant Luther and not the Greeks, the morality there is a bit different bc the Greeks know that someone will definitly benefit from their actions

>>19572371
Imagine having people here who believe that Abercrombie is something to be praised.

Do people here even read?

man this general is turning to shit again
good work chartanon on quelling the tide for even a momentary glimpse of sunlight

>>19572452
We accept your surrender.

Man this Abercrombie guy seems pretty hard to get into, I guess he should be moved to 5...

>>19572491
5 feet under

>>19572502

>>19571122
Book 1 7/10
Book 2 6/10
Book 3 10/10 top tier
Book 4 2/10 kinda ruined it for me desu

>>19572452
He said, praising himself.

>>19572438
Not only that, they even believe any fiction is worth reading!

so how was Rothfuss's QA and prologue reading?

>>19572173
>insight
incite

>At random, incite violence
Read as: I'm trolling and only going to allow it be 100% how I want it to be regardless of what others want.

>>19572672
Not my problem. Didn't ask. Cope. Seethe.

>>19570685
>the only person who will ever understand you steals your girl and fucks off forever
oy vey

>>19572664
Do they really?

I will literally not touch a book unless I'm convinced that it has something to offer.

>>19572347
Kudos to you then, but if you think pulp from the 30's is widely considered good you're deluded I'm afraid.

>>19573006
Good for genre fiction yes. Or is fucking Dune up there with all the literary greats?

>>19573006
Considering what B means, that I am the sole arbitor of it and no one has contested that it's anything other than better than the mediocre bullshit below it that only interests existing fans, yes.

I just took the 3rd Rona vaccine and I have severe diarrhea.

Any books for this?

>>19572855
And yet you post this thread, which has nothing to offer you, nor does 4chan in general.

>>19573092
You should enjoy Rothfuss

>>19573155
Does it trouble you?

>>19572230
It’s bad in a general sense and not because it isn’t deep enough, on the upside your prose is better than some published works I’ve read which while a back handed complement is pretty good for something posted on 4chan

>>19570979
You useless piece of shit. You absolute waste of space and air. You uneducated, ignorant, idiotic dumb swine, you’re an absolute embarrassment to humanity and all life as a whole. The magnitude of your failure just now is so indescribably massive that one hundred years into the future your name will be used as moniker of evil for heretics. Even if all of humanity put together their collective intelligence there is no conceivable way they could have thought up a way to fuck up on the unimaginable scale you just did. When Jesus died for our sins, he must not have seen the sacrilegious act we just witnessed you performing, because if he did he would have forsaken humanity long ago so that your birth may have never become reality. After you die, your skeleton will be displayed in a museum after being scientifically researched so that all future generations may learn not to generate your bone structure, because every tiny detail anyone may have in common with you degrades them to a useless piece of trash and a burden to society. No wonder your father questioned whether or not your were truly his son, for you'd have to not be a waste of carbon matter for anyone to love you like a family member. Your birth made it so that mankind is worse of in every way you can possibly imagine, and you have made it so that society can never really recover into a state of organization. Everything has forever fallen into a bewildering chaos, through which unrecognizable core, you can only find misfortune.

>>19573278
I accept your defeat.

>>19573278
Pretty based.

>>19573305
Thank you for sparing my life.

>>19572173
Raymond E Feist’s Magician series should be the last C1 spot

>>19573396
I wasn't talking to you, chud.

>>19573155
Shut up, moogy

>>19572438
Of black people don't like him then i love him

>>19570852
Stone of Tears to S5 please, dooders.

>>19570852
Yeah, Hyperion is absolute top tier, switch makes sense.

>>19573807
based Goodchad

>>19570852
A Wizard of Earthsea at S1? Did a tranny make this chart?

>>19573930
Worse, a Bakkertard

>>19573930
Yes.

>>19570675
Did you listen the prologue of the third book of Pat's masterpiece?

>>19573945
No, because we aren't reddit.

>>19570852
The Left Hand of Darkness B3 and Harry Potter B1. This is a troll.

Huh, looks like some Chinese cultivation novels have been officially released by an American publisher.

Hey guys George RR Martin here. My grandson made this account for me. Long time lurker, first time posterino. Feel free to ask me anything.

>>19573945
Pat is one of my biggest inspirations while I prepare to write my new book.

>>19570852
>gormenghast
>hard to read
absolutely FILTERED

>>19573948
>Le reddit boogeyman
Fuck off
>>19573998

Kys fatty

>>19574120
That's no way to talk to a legend, young man. Looks I'll be giving you coal for christmas! HOHOHO

How are Ian Brandon Sanderson's books?

>>19574004
Gormenghast is easy to read in terms of page-by-page comprehension, but it's quite difficult to get and keep a grasp of the broader thrust of the book as you're reading through it

>>19574004
Maybe he meant the engagement levels, because Goobergast is hardly even fantasy, it reads like shitty bong stage play with nothing ever happening

>>19574195
good

>>19574195
adequate

>>19570852
No other Wolfe? Maybe the whole solar cycle is nested in with BotNS, but Wizard Knight and Fifth Head of Cerberus should be in there

>>19574241
The chart is nothing more than a troll

>>19570852
>implying inheritance isn't S1

>>19574256
If they they think that Wizard Knight (which I now see is on there) is easier to grasp than WoT or Sword of Truth than cerraibly I would agree. Just because Wolfe’s later works read superficially easier does not make them simpler.

>>19574195
I read the first hundred pages of The Way of Kings and just didn't really find it entertaining at all. Try Baker or Goodkind instead.

>>19574417
I don't understand how Wheel of Time would be difficult for anyone to read. I don't mean that as an insult.

>>19574450
difficult to slog through

Someone recommended me Recursion by Blake Crouch a couple of threads ago, and if you're still here, I just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed it, even though the exact method of time travel was pretty bs. But other than that, it was great; thanks :)

>>19574476
ohh

>>19574417
It really is.

>>19574450
I assume most of the people raving about The Wheel of Time are listening to the audiobooks. Like Daniel Greene who admitted as much.

Give me some recs for coomer lit. I've read Wild Wastes, and while the first few books were fun, it kind of got bogged down after that, severe premise creep. I recently read Good Intentions, and while the first book was entertaining, the author is very obviously a cuck and it starts to creep into the plot.
I've also tried Mask of the Template and it had the same problem as Wild Wastes. Premise creep out the ass.

>>19572672
Went well apparently. The book isn't going to be out in the next 2 years either.

>>19574557
Succubus 101 and 102 by M.E. Hydra. This is the only book that had good coom scenes because good intentions book 1 ruined coom books for me in general.

>>19572173
Earthsea is placed too high on the chart, should be at C or at the most B. Ursula is overrated as a writer.

>>19574575
I've heard of that one, I've always skipped over it because it isn't on kindle unlimited though. Is it ACTUALLY worth my $4? I can't be fucked digging up a download.

>>19574585
https://1lib.in/book/3974266/1f3b7b
Here you go, download the mobi and read it. You can find 201 on the same site.

>>19574590
Well cool, I'll give it a shot.

>>19574557
I'm preparing to make a coomer lit general tomorrow, prepare yourself.

Hey guys what's up Scott Bakker here. Moogy is a faggot. That's about all, peace out.

>>19570675
How is it, /sffg/? I never see her mentioned here.

>>19574742
>I never see her mentioned here.
There's lots of authors that aren't mentioned often and it's because people here don't read and will find any excuse not to read.

>>19574745
>There's lots of authors that aren't mentioned often and it's because people here don't read and will find any excuse not to read.
Ah, that's a shame. I guess even genre readers are like the rest of /lit/. I don't see what they gain from posturing. I just assumed they'd be into this stuff because it's fun to read or something.

>>19574745
I read a lot. The thing is I only read Goodkind. By the time I've read all 100 trillion words I've forgotten them and start over from the beginning.

>>19574784
Bakker has spoken!!!

>>19570879
>Still no recommendation
So does nobody here know the book I'm looking for? Or it doesn't actually exists?

This guy’s prose is unreadable. As a genrebabby I’ve never complained about prose before, but holy shit.

>>19574833
i tried to read the first dresden book and harry was such a greasy little dweeb. embarrassed for anyone who likes that series

>>19574751
>I don't see what they gain from posturing.
They can act like pseuds, which is idiotic if you ask me.

>>19574833
its fun

>>19574833
Eh, I found it tolerable enough to get through all the Dresden Books. Not sure I can say I actually enjoyed them, but I did get through 17 novels, so make of that what you will.

>>19574845
Yeah it’d be fun if he wasn’t so anal about possible plot holes. It’s like Hunter X Hunter.
>Tavi dodged the fury. He dodged the fury because if he was hit by the fury, it could have killed him. It would have been better to throw salt, however Tavi didn’t have salt as he hadn’t thought to bring any salt. The fury flashed a smile as he dodged him. Tavi cracked a one liner.

>>19571123
well, maybe is interpreter bad? I read it interpreted from chinese to serbian directly and liked it.

>>19574833
I saw the Cursors Fury at a Barnes and Nobles back in 2007. I was 12 years old. Something about the cover art gave me a sense of nostalgia. Something about that bluish gray color reminds me of home, but I can't figure out why. It's just this vague, yet powerful nostalgia for something I can't remember. This isn't the only time I've had this experience. When a light casts a shadow on a wall in just the right way, in just the right shade, I experience this nostalgia.

Pic unrelated

>>19574833
And now here I am on goodreads, desperate for something to read, and I see this dogshit about Malazan.

>>19574929
Above*

>>19574929
Read Wizards First Rule.

You're welcome

>>19574951
Trash taste. Terry Goodkind is a poor man's Robert Jordan.

What's sffg's verdict on The Goblin Emperor?

>>19574988
Go back to discord, moogy

>>19574988
You simply aren't intelligent enough to understand the kino that is Terry Goodkind.

>>19575012
>>19575049
Bakker spamming I can understand and tolerate, as he is a good writer, but this Terry Goodkind crap is just as bad as that anime poster.

>>19575102
But anon he is the Goodkind of writer not the bad kind, says so in his name.

Post that one book you read ten years ago that you thought was a fever dream until recently rediscovering it

Someone recommend me an entertaining series to read. I want something that is thoroughly entertaining. I don't want to read a 2000 page book where the first 1500 pages are boring as shit.

>>19575102
moogy alert

>>19575116
based Goodchad

>>19575133
Was it good?

>>19575198
I remember thinking so. I just searched it up in the archive to get the /sffg/ consensus and it turns out there’s some autist who has it out for the series

>>19574590
Alright so I blew through Succubus Summoning 101 and while it was entertaining enough, it really wasn't to my taste. The author is clearly deep into femdom which doesn't really interest me that much, and the kind of erotic horror mix he goes for does absolutely nothing for me.

>>19575170
Define your tastes and define entertaining. Recs could range from mindless fun to entertaining but deep.

>>19575170
Entertaining is subjective. What do you like? What do you want?

>>19574575
>the day has come when the literoticauthors I used to coom to are now being discussed on /lit/
What’s next? Gigglinggoblin book club?

>>19575255
Would you prefer redditors shilling b*kker and s*nderson again? Or how about copy and pasting the exact same discussion about BotNS every single thread for THREE YEARS?

>>19574486
that may have been me and you should continue with Dark Matter. idk why Blake Crouch is never talked here, I think because he is too mainstream even for sci fi but its for a reason. the man writes god tier modern sci fi thrillers.

>>19570768
did he? link?

Has anyone here read the Dune in German?

>>19575170
Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir. not a single boring page, very light and entertaining

>>19575241
>>19575245
I liked the first 5 wheel of time books. I liked The first couple of Sword of Truth books.

>>19575304
Ah, so shit taste then.

>>19570694
You're in for a treat at least. I found the Judging Eye and White Luck Warrior to be the slowest books of the series. The whole "slog" in particular began to feel like a slog. However, it does end on a high note if I recall correctly where the plot stops.

Then the third book picks up a good deal. The fourth really ties it together though, I didn't like the second series near as much as the first until then, but it helps even it out.

>>19575312
Another Goodchad denier. Go read harry potter, faggot.

>>19575304
So you like fantasy, but more renaissance than medieval? You still haven't given us much to go on though. But I'll take a swing and point you at the Powder Mage series. There's plenty I could recommend, but without knowing what you actually like or want it's hard to tell if it's worth pointing it out to you.
If you want some classical fantasy with real literary merit, where the entertainment value comes from very clever dialogue and high brow jokes, then the Curse of Chalion or the Penric series by Lois McMaster Bujold might fit the bill.
If you're interested in Pulp MilSF then there's the Undying Mercenaries series by BV Larson.
If you like anime, then Cradle by Will Wight.

But that's all just throwing shit at a wall with no accounts for taste.

>>19575322
>Powder Mage series
This is pretty nice, and goes up to really good when you include the Novellas and the Second Trilogy.

>>19575322
As far as fantasy goes I've only read half of the Wheel of Time, the first two Sword of Truth books, Ringworld, and a few Clive Barker books. I want to get into more fantasy. I prefer medieval sword and sorcery stuff. I don't really like the Urban fantasy of Clive Barker. I want a fun adventure with cool characters. I know WoT and SoT aren't literary masterpieces but they're fun adventures. Sadly the individual books in those serials are too fucking long and full of bad dialogue.

>>19575322
Has there been any character in recent memory who got over being cucked as impressively as Taniel?

>>19575367
>I want a fun adventure with cool characters
I've seen plenty of people recommend Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, though I haven't read it myself. The Witcher doesnt start out as a character centric adventure, but it's entertaining from the first moment, and does eventually become focused on a main party of sorts.

>>19575133
That series is really good. First book is especially kino. Second and third too.

>>19570758
It has some good parts but I hate the video game stuff and most characters. Only fat smoking cop in book one is at least enjoyable.

Does Mike Enoch browse /sffg/? I would like to know what his favorite Terry Goodchad book is.

>>19575537
> Get cucked
> Score a cute redhead native gf
I think that's a win for Taniel

>>19575601
mike didn't like tolkien, he read the first few wheel of times but is currently (listening) to the flashman books

>>19575649
I thought Mike loved Wheel of Time. A few years ago he spoiled stuff from the later books on the Shoah. Also why is an unemployed man listening to audiobooks? Wait a second I don't think you know Mike Enoch at all!

>>19570879
Bloody Rose by Nicholas Eames has Freecloud who is a bunny boy. Not sure if that's what you are looking for though.

>>19575701
Is that the sequel to Kings of the Wyld? Is it any decent?

Is Game of Thrones good?

>>19575707
books 1-3 are good. books 4-5 are bloated and drag.

>>19575704
It's alright, not as good as the first book and there are more romantic interactions between characters that get kind of tedious after awhile. It's well written, it just doesn't have the same feelings as kings of the wyld.

>>19575725
I should have worded my question better, I wanted to know if Kings of the Wyld itslef was good.

>>19575720
The government should step in and not allow these authors to make anything more than a trilogy. Why should these retards be aloud to waste paper.

>>19575727
Oh, yeah I enjoyed it. I like the whole getting the band back together feel of it. The viewpoint of adventuring through the eyes of older characters was a nice change of pace too.

>>19575707
first one is good

>>19575911
On a scale of 1 through 10 how good is it? 1 being the worst of all time and 10 being Goodkind

>>19574682
Nothing will coom of it. It will have a premature end.

>>19575938
It's fresh, engaging and full of promise. Then the killing starts and there are too many POVs leaving you both unable to engage with characters and wishing they'd die.

Just finished The Unholy Consult
What now?

>>19576267
Now you read the False Sun.

>>19576281
I'm tired of Bakker.
I've been solely reading The Second Apocalypse series for about 6 months now and I'm itching for something new.

>>19576293
I wasn't talking to you.

>>19575670
he was listening to the flashman books when he caught covid listen to tds some time

>>19576294
What?

>>19576267
Dune
BotNS
Gormenghast

>>19576296
TDS just isn't as good as it used to be.

>>19576293
The False Sun is not a book, is a short story inside the Unholy Consult. It should be somewhere near the book's archive.

>>19576302
I've already read the first book or two of dune then dropped it.
BotNS is pretty high on my list so might go with that.
Gormenghast seems interesting too.
>>19576309
Yeah I see now there are 2 short stories at the end I didn't notice before. Thanks.

cuts and cuts and cuts

>>19572173
Quantum Thief two right and at least one up.

>Shaeönanra, I grow tired of this...

All the spamming disappeared for this thread. There can only be one answer for this. Obviously it wasn't an organic effort before. The dedicated Bakkerspammer stopped because they support the ChartMaker. But don't worry, once this passes they will resume their all-out spamming.

>>19576450
Ok, but who asked?

>>19576450
We saw the light. We are Goodkind fans now. All hail the kingerino!

cam on ricky, spill the beans, ya chucklehead

>>19576450
You sound upset and resentful.

>>19570675

>>19576456 Not my problem
>>19576458 Cope
>>19576471 Seethe

>>19576483
I accept your surrender, then.

>>19576492
>>19576492
>>19576492
This triggers Moogy.
>>19576492
>>19576492
>>19576492

Migrate.

>>19574886
That’s what I thought but I’m not going to read a translation I don’t like so it’s just sitting on my bookshelf until I find nothing better to do

>>19574833
How is it bad? Having never read Butcher I’ve just assumed he has the same bland and soulless prose you see in most fantasy but it seems like you’re saying it’s worse than that

>>19576539
>>19576525

>>19576492
>>19576492
>>19576492
>>19576492
>>19576492

>>19574742
It’s alright.

>>19576306
I used it to get my actual politics when I was a teenager but I grew out of political shit and now I just use it as a friend simulator background noise type of deal.

>>19575293
No, but I have read it in Romanian

>>19570685
Yup. Definitely looks ugly and Jewish to me.

>>19574217
>t. filtered

>>19576302
>the /sffg/ trifecta

>>19570852
Malazan 100% belongs in B. How is there possibly any debate?

>>19575314
I read the first 5 books over the weekend.

1-3 felt like overwrought prequel to an actual story, hinting at the Consult, but mired in detached 'crusade' and inhuman characters. Philosophy was surprisingly very Reddit. 6/10 and would be lower if not the poetic prose

Book 4-5 had this amazing mix of Mines of Moria plus Heart of Darkness through nonmen ruins as the "slog" are driven into desperation and insanity. 10/10 maybe the best fantasy I've ever read

>>19578598
>3,000 pages in a few days
Truly a master of skim reading. Perhaps even 300 pages an hour. 5 pages per minute!

>>19578598
>Book 4-5 had this amazing mix of Mines of Moria plus Heart of Darkness through nonmen ruins as the "slog" are driven into desperation and insanity. 10/10 maybe the best fantasy I've ever read
This.

>>19572173
>insight violence
Always find it funny to see avid readers who lack basic english skills.

Anyone knows a great fantasy novel about Golems?

>>19578598
>Philosophy was surprisingly very Reddit. 6/10 and would be lower if not the poetic prose
There is literally nothing philosophical about the series. I don't understand why you people keep bringing that up. Yes there's a little more introspection than typical for the genre. But philosophy? Very little. Bakker wisely opts for aphorisms and a measure of psychology to scatter around and create the ambiance. That's it.

>>19578671
No one can truly absorb anything meaningful in that speed. There's is literally nothing impressive about it.

Just found out zlibrary got nuked and I'm not happy about it. About to start reading Cradle, started it and somehow forgot about it.

>>19581803
Working just fine for me. It is/was a problem on your end.

So this is the power of Hyperion…woah….

Is it worth reading?

>>19582542
Yeah probably.

>>19582329
Thanks, I found it.