/lit/ - Literature

>>19562566
Will your shit thread be remembered one day from now?

lol

>>19562566
Humanity will die in the early 2100s due to a climate crisis.

>>19562566
>>19562577
Dubs

>>19562566
>>19562575
It'll turn a hundred next year, so.

It's just too obtuse. It's a great technical work and Joyce masterfully does the things he sets out to do. But it's not worthy of the Canon because it lacks the ability to survive its moment. You read chapters like "Sirens," which have a specific context within the history of the novel. And fine, sure, it's clever what Joyce does. But does it resonate with people in 2021, 2022? Moby-Dick is even older than Ulysses but you can read it and feel that it's fresh and contemporary. Melville can speak across the centuries. Ulysses feels too "of its moment." It's the culmination of 19th an 20th century developments in the novel as an art form. This makes it useful to study as an academic thing. But as far as a work of art, that will endure the test of time? I'm less confident.

>>19562710
>Moby-Dick is even older than Ulysses but you can read it and feel that it's fresh and contemporary.
lol

>>19562566
Yes. I will. I'm going to write amazing literature a few decades from now and win the Nobel Prize. Watch out for me.

>>19562566
The next 100 years yes, because there will be basically no more great literature after the advent of easily viewable audio-visual entertainment. But the next 200 years it will likely only be remembered as something like Tom Jones or Tristram Shandy is now due to precisely that same paucity of literature. I expect sometime in the near future that documentaries will reach such enormous proportions (as they already have, just look at the OJ one) that they will soon be able to replace nonfiction books as well, as indeed people find it “easier” to just listen to audiobooks and podcasts instead of actually reading. I have no hope for us, none at all.

>>19562566
As sn incoherent mess. Can't believe people still talk about it

>>19562710
Yeah, it resonates. It will always, too. Ulysses is only getting stronger as time goes on. Its reputation will become far more powerful over the next 100 years. If you don't know why that is, you're quite unfamiliar with the novel, which is fine. You should get to know it better. In doing so you'll see what I mean =)

>>19563080
filtered

>>19562577
why not 2030s? reddit faggot

>>19562566
O. K.

>>19562716
hes right

>>19562746
It is funny how we would return to ancient ways in that scenario. No one will/can read but instead will listen to stories. I wonder how long it will take before they make podcasts in the dactylic hexameter.

>>19564318
No. He isn't. Lol

>>19562710
MD feels old as well.

what a board

>>19562566
If we survive the extinction event

No because 100 years from now nobody will read books

>>19562577
>>19565769
I find it hard to believe ALL of humanity will die. I'd be willing to accept a large portion, even an overwhelming majority, but it's hard to imagine there won't be at least a handful of survivors to any given catastrophe

>>19565781
The first unanimous vote in human history will be suicide.

>>19565781
This. I imagine the Russians and Canadians will deal just fine with climate change.

>>19562566
Maybe in Ireland

>>19562577
What a fucking faggot you cannot seriously believe this

>>19562566
if you keep fucking bringing it up yeah

>>19562710
/lit/ loves Moby dick because it's a filter book that doesn't require much knowledge or effort. It's pulp fiction. Entry level plebs think it's better than it is

>>19567897
You know what else doesn't require much knowledge or effort?

The Iliad.

Shakespeare.

The Divine Comedy (mostly).

Not requiring a lot of "prep work" is PART of what makes a work of literature great. It's part of what makes it worthy of the Canon. The idea that you don't have to do a lot of research before you start reading it. Sure, older works might take a little getting used to. But with a bit of acclimation, you can jump into the Odyssey, or Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, or Macbeth, and feel right at home. Because those great works have a universal quality. They speak to us across the centuries because they touch on some element of the human condition that has remained the same across countless years.

But Ulysses is too specific. Too tied to a specific moment in time. Too caught up in historical developments in literature, poetry, and psychiatry. So I don't think it will last, as a result.

>>19562566
How do I know when I'm ready to read this?

>>19568065
You’re never “ready” even if you are Joyce himself so you might as well start reading it tomorrow

>>19568082
But I don't even own it! I'll grab the audio book

>>19568065
You're ready whenever you want to read it, but this pic here will help. I never read Chamber Music but I read most of everything else. The Suma Theologica is fucking huge and really dry, especially if you don't care about Christianity, you don't have to read that but you should know at least a little bit about Christianity and especially the Catholic Church. At the very least you should read Odyssey but honestly just read Ulysses, be confused, and come back later and read it again.

>>19568061
>The Iliad.
>Shakespeare.
>The Divine Comedy (mostly)

>The odyssey
>chaucer, the Bible
>the Bible, contemporary politics, vast knowledge of poetry

What are you on about?

>But Ulysses is too specific. Too tied to a specific moment in time.

The fact that you don't think this applies to Dante as well is baffling.

Mrs Dalloway, and Virginia Woolf in general, is better in that Joyce. He schizophrenia was showing itself in his last 2 books

>>19562577
I wish this were true

>>19564473
you have to be over 13 to post here