/lit/ - Literature

>>1956418
It isn't so much GRRM as it is Fitzgerald's aristocratic prim, pampered, and haughty lifestyle. Still, it is partly Georges fault for looking like an old sea captain.

I don't know if this picture is an improvement over his Game of Thrones image where he looks like Fidel Castro

>70+ years ago
>photographs meant something

>now
>photos of everything, everywhere, all the time, by anyone

If some voyeur took a photo of Martin taking a dump OP would be posing that and saying "look, everyone, he poops! what a shit writer!"

>>1956482
That, to me, is sort of the joke of it.

That photo of Fitz is clearly staged and imbued with a lot of significance. A writer of today has 5 billion impromptu shots of them circulating the internet--unless you're Pynchon.

OP's pic is more a commentary on the exposure writers, themselves, have nowadays.

>>1956440old sea captain

well fuck now I cant unsee it

>>1956500

It's really unfortunate, because I can't imagine someone writing like Milton, for example, with the present-day spotlight. Writers today are almost forced to be more human than good art calls for, I believe.

>that feel when anon reposts your image

>>1956509
So what's your current state?

>>1956527

>>1956510

> more human than good art calls for

What the fuck am I reading. Are you fucking serious?

>Using ad hominem to point out the pseudointellectualism of an author
>In turn, revealing your own not just pseudo-intellectualism, but aggressive anti-intellectualism

Saged, rosemaried and thymed.

>>1956543
Hey, buddy, you forgot your parsley, and your methamphetamine!

>>1956540

I guess that's a really awkward way to word it, but I don't think a writer like Milton or Blake could pull off that "prophet" stuff and whatnot when they have a tumblr where they talk about normal life stuff and there are pictures of them like in the OP.

>>1956533
Why did you delete your post?
I don't see why considering the content of my post.

>>1956530
mom and dad would be so proud

>>1956500
>OP's pic is more a commentary on the exposure writers, themselves, have nowadays.

No, not really.

See: filename.

>>1956546

I don't buy it even remotely. If your argument is that GRRM panders to his readers, that's one thing. But the rest of that sounds like some weak sauce, Pop Culture 101-level speculative bullshit.

>>1956553

I'm not talking about GRRM at all, I've never read him. I don't even particularly know what his series is about. I'm talking about this stuff:
>>1956500

Older writers could become images, but now everything is globalized and you have dickloads of information on everyone, so writers are forced to be very human people who eat at seafood restaurants and wear lobster bibs.

What, it's just two authors adept at writing amoral douchebag characters.

>>1956561

Alright I'll bite.

But how my seeing GRRM in a lobster bib affects my perception of his writing, and whether his being witnessed in a lobster bib affects the writing itself, are two separate conversations. Which do you want to have?

A Dance with Dragons: Wherein Tyrion Shakes The Last Drops Of Piss Off His Cock

>>1956547
i didn't

i don't come here every day but when i do this image is always on the first page

It is interesting how much exposure some authors have compared to a hundred years ago. But people have more exposure in general now. It certainly doesn't make GRRM afraid to write some fucked up stuff that people might assume a famous author wouldn't want associated with themselves.

Plus a lot of authors, along with other artists, have to do a good bit of self-promotion to be successful. So they've got blogs and twitter and shit like that going, so you know it's not just X guy wrote Y and Z. But the same thing had been going on before. A lot of authors wrote things like public letters, essays, articles, pamphlets, and so on.

>>1956583

I think that sort of audience gaze does influence the writing.

See:
>20th century writers writing very conscious of the academics
>Tao Lin & co.

>>1956604

He's certainly gotten a whole lot more impressed with himself, and I think it has affected his work for the worse. He spent all that time and wrote all those pages, and so far Dance is evidencing some of the same weaknesses as Feast. Namely, he's trying to be too clever with his language and winds up being stupid instead. He should take a lesson from Pat Rothfuss and spend his time taking words out instead of putting them in.

>>1956611
I meant to say that I think he's let his celebrity go to his head because of the increased connectedness with his fans.

>>1956611

>He should take a lesson from Pat Rothfuss and spend his time taking words out instead of putting them in.

He does do exactly that, actually, using the techniques he learned in Hollywood to make the scripts as concise as possible.

>>1956620

GRRM's prose isn't bloated, for the most part. But he has a lot of character viewpoints/scenes that could be cut for the better. AFFC was much worse for this than ADWD was, though.

>>1956681

I disagree. Nothing in AFFC was as profoundly slow and tiresome as Daenerys' or Tyrion's story in ADWD.

Am I the only one who didn't find ADWD to be a big disappointment?

I viewed it and AFFC as kind of a two-part decompression episode, which, yeah, it would have been nice if they hadn't been spaced so far apart.

But it was like all POV characters had "danced with the dragons" and lost, and these books showed the consequences, and how they moved through them.

> Tyrion tried to play the Littlefinger game; lost; reduced to a dancing midget, but learned some humility
> Dany tried to play conqueror; but can't actually effectively govern to save her life; almost died for it, but now has a war-ready dagron.
> Asha tried to play pirate queen. Now a war prisoner.
> Cersei done fucked up too many times. Bitch takes the walk of shame.
> Reek.

>>1956689

> Jaime done fucked up. Dude done lost his hand. Regained his honor or whatever.

>>1956689
I thought it was a pretty great book.

Then again, I didn't sit there bawwing about how long it was taking it to come out for six years.

>>1956681
>>1956620

Not so much bloated as full of unnecessary stuff. Okay, bloated. He spends paragraphs on describing trivial things and tries too hard to use clever words rather than good words.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan, but I think the pressure to produce is getting to him and not in a good way. I might have to go back and read the first books again, but I don't think they suffered from the same thing (as badly?)