/lit/ - Literature

Nah that would be this guy

Wrong pic sorry guys

can someone post a source to his racist statements?
I'm desperately looking for it but have not been able to find them.

>>19559047
he made no racist statements, unless you're some leftard who thinks saying nigger is always automatically racist or something

>>19559002
Too think we could be exploring the Hyperuranion right now
he tried

>>19559078
He said something about equality for the white man. That africans were not our equals, something akin to that

>>19559101
>Jew spreads racial division
a tale as old as time

>>19559101
no he hasn't. but he did write that "the emancipation of the productive class is that of all human beings without distinction of sex or race"

>>19559002
Communism punishes success and rewards laziness.
It causes mass famines that starve your own people.

Men are not equal.
Neither in ability, nor industriousness, nor courage, nor strength, nor virtue, nor discipline, nor creativity, nor intelligence.
Communism is built on a lie.

>>19559225
>"If we take socialism, not as an economic theory, but as a living ideal," Mr. Tugan declared, "then, undoubtedly, it is associated with the ideal of equality, but equality is a concept... that cannot be deduced from experience and reason."
>This is the reasoning of a liberal scholar who repeats the incredibly trite and threadbare argument that experience and reason clearly prove that men are not equal, yet socialism bases its ideal on equality. Hence, socialism, if you please, is an absurdity which is contrary to experience and reason, and so forth!
>Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.
>It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were he to take the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against Dühring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes. But when professors set out to refute socialism, one never knows what to wonder at most — their stupidity, their ignorance, or their unscrupulousness.

>>19559225
Marx wasn’t communist

>>19559225
Wrong sweaty

>>19559310
How do commies cope with this simple experiment that completely obliterates their retarded ideology?

>In December 1978, eighteen of the local farmers, led by Yen Jingchang,[5] met in the largest house in the village. They agreed to break the law at the time by signing a secret agreement to divide the land, a local People's Commune, into family plots. Each plot was to be worked by an individual family who would turn over some of what they grew to the government and the collective whilst at the same time agreeing that they could keep the surplus for themselves. The villagers also agreed that should one of them be caught and sentenced to death that the other villagers would raise their children until they were eighteen years old.[5][6] At the time, the villagers were worried that another famine might strike the village after a particularly bad harvest and more people might die of hunger.[6]

>After this secret capitalist reform, Xiaogang village produced a harvest that was larger than the previous five years combined.[5] Per capita income in the village increase from 22 yuan to 400 yuan with grain output increasing to 90,000 kg in 1979.[6] This attracted significant attention from surrounding villages and before long the government in Beijing had found out. The villagers were fortunate in that at the time China had just changed leadership after Mao Zedong had died. The new leadership under Deng Xiaoping was looking for ways to reform China's economy and the discovery of Xiaogang's innovation was held up as a model to other villages across the country. This led to the abandonment of collectivised farming across China and a large increase in agricultural production. The secret signing of the contract in Xiaogang is widely regarded as the beginning of the period of rapid economic growth and industrialisation that mainland China has experienced in the thirty years since.[5][7]

>>19559339
>What's the source? My ass, of course!

>>19559310
>economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes
This is an absurdity. Classes can't be abolished precisely because men aren't equal. The existence of classes is a direct consequence of the fact that men aren't equal.

>>19559353
cry more sweaty

>>19559372
>le pantifa face

>>19559380

>>19559393

>>19559341
this has nothing to do with socialism. that farm was just a capitalist cooperative enterprise.
>>19559361
individuals within single classes are already widely unequal. if you have a faulty brain then you can just imagine classless society as one with a single class

>>19559421
>collective ownership has nothing to do with socialism.
COPE

>>19559341
kino chinese characteristics desu

>>19559225
>Starvation caused by Communists is the fault of communism but starvation caused by capitalists isn't the fault of capitalism
Hate this double standard. Bengal famine isn't caused by communism you dumb retard

>>19559414

>>19559421
Nice dodge, weasel
>o-o-ok fine but what if we redefine a single class to encompass all classes
Hahaha

>>19559002
>>19559009

As long as everything is subordinate to the communist party it’s communism tbqhwy

>>19559427
>starvation caused by capitalism
No such thing.
>Bengal famine
Are you hallucinating or do you need new glasses?

>>19559423
yes, joint-stock companies and cooperatives are an ordinary thing in capitalism.
>>19559437
you're too stupid to discuss this. the fact that there's inequality between people of a single class means that inequality doesn't necessitate class distinctions. this is elementary logic

>>19559435

>>19559455
Cope

>>19559457
>the fact that there's inequality between people of a single class means that inequality doesn't necessitate class distinctions
That's literally a non-sequitur you stupid fuck.

>>19559466
>throws in le random Africans as examples of "capitalism causes food shortages"
You lost the argument right then and there.

>>19559467
no, it utterly demolishes your garbage argument and shows that you either haven't thought about it for even 5 minutes before spewing it or that you're clinically retarded
>>19559478
north korea has private enterprise. it's not even state capitalist, let alone socialist

>>19559457
Again:
>collective ownership has nothing to do with socialism
You're literally so stupid that you confuse A implies B with B implies A.

>>19559478
Cope

>>19559491
>it utterly demolishes your garbage argument
>why?
>b-b-because I say so!
Cope. Economic classes are a natural consequence of the fact that men aren't equal.

>>19559491
>N-N-NOT REAL SOCIALISM!!1
toppest of keks
every fucking time

>>19559002
Do bunkertrannies ever stop getting BTFO?

>>19559510
what did he mean by this

C-commiebros, the fuck is this?

>>19559523
>he doesn’t know

>>19559539
Ah, the flat-earth theory of economics.

>>19559498
again:
collective ownership of capitalist enterprises has nothing to do with socialism.
>>19559511
>b-b-because I say so!
no, because there being inequality between people of a single class proves that inequality between people doesn't necessitate them dividing into different classes
>>19559518
communists were saying that those states weren't socialist before they even had the time to create any misery
>>19559530
seems like some random leftard on twitter. what's wrong with you that you give a shit about what such people say?

>>19559549
Seethe :^)

>>19559574
>random leftard
Average cuckmunist you mean.

>>19559574
You're claiming socialism has nothing to do with collective ownership?

>>19559421
>>19559009
>>19559002
>"lenin did not assign to the Communist Party only the task of supporting “workers’movements” where they arose spontaneously, but rather the task of creating & organizing them everywhere and by every means."
>" Marxism gives rise to the proletarian and class mentality where it previously did not exist, stirring excitement and creating resentment and dissatisfaction in those societies where the individuals still lived in the station allotted to them by life."
>"In those societies an individual contained his need and aspirations within natural limits; he did not yearn to become different from what he was, and thus he was innocent of that Entfremdung (“alienation”) decried by Marxism."
>" Incidentally, we should recall that Marxism proposes to overcome this alienation through something worse—namely, the “integration (or, we should say, disintegration) of the person into a collective entity (i.e., the ‘people,’ or ‘the party’)."
Communists and Capitalists are same side of the kosher sandwich. Communists, like capitalists, wish to destroy the tried, true, and tested forms of traditional life that makes man an organ of a profligate state. Any time a communist criticizes capitalism - you'll notice that these heebs use the same methods neoliberals use to defend their policies. You reduce man into a number, and remove all the aspects of religion, heritage, culture, race and blood to turn humans into nothing more than a cosmopolitan cockroach. No longer are human beings unique men born from the struggle of life, tested by their resolve, but now men are just cogs to produce commodities - you just two different sides of the same kosher coin.

Communism is just the fetishization of productivity, the religion of science seen in modern capitalist societies on steroids. The only difference being is socialists just do capitalism faster, and the range of deaths happen in a much shorter time frame as a result - that's why they seem larger than what was necessary to get us to the capitalist societies of day that have adopted men of their decadent political and economic reforms.

The deaths are not what matter. Its the balance sheet of what happens after it. The consequences matter. Communism's "successes" have done nothing to stop capitalism, or effects, because it saw the death of traditionalism, religion, race, family, culture, blood, and station we now have under neoliberal capitalism. To say communism is an alternative capitalism to is a false choice and a dangerous one at that since its part of the problem has it has led to traditional and spiritual decline.

>>19559574
>there being inequality between people of a single class proves that inequality between people doesn't necessitate them dividing into different classes
>let's just shift around definitions bro
Cool, then let's do that right now. We live in a classless society!

>>19559583
>>>/x/

>>19559595
>feels > reals
t. Evola

>>19559574
>communists were saying that those states weren't socialist
Yes they were. Why do commies love to lie so much?

>>19559002
>>19559002
>he really tried to save us

>>19559583
What message were you trying to convey with this unsourced table? Did you even know what "per cent of pre-war level" means?

>>19559636
>unsourced
source is UN and even Americans praised stalins five year plans as enormously successful

>>19559574
>communists were saying that those states weren't socialist before they even had the time to create any misery
LMAO

>>19559652
>source is UN
Link to it.
And again, do you know what "per cent of pre-war level" means?

No. He diagnosed the problem but had no real solutions. He's akin to a doctor successfully diagnosing a condition that could be fatal in time and then trying to inject you with a syringe of sulfuric acid as the cure.

>>19559665
Yes retard but you don’t clearly

>>19559620
>>19559583
>We're better than the neoliberal hobgoblins because we can degrade society faster with pointless commodities
Money is your god, Jew. Your kvecting about capitalism isn't because you want to "improve things" - you just want the state make it easier for you scheme with usury. Central banks and inflation already allow you to do that in capitalist societies - communism is just the ideology you use to destroy the traditional superstructure that challenges your wicked ways to make your despotism truly unopposed. It won't always be like this though. You can not keep this up forever, and when your guard is down - you'll be gone forever, kike.

>>19559652
>even Americans praised stalins five year plans as enormously successful
You mean the ones that resulted in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 and the Soviet famine of 1946–1947?

>>19559682
>Money is your god, Jew.
p sure all communists want money abolished

>>19559681
>still no link
As expected.
>Yes
Then explain what it means and hopefully you'll realize why you're retarded.

>>19559701
That commie looks wrong.

>>19559464
kek

>>19559681
How Jewish do you have to be think the productivity of USSR outweighs the loss of indigenous culture and lives? Again, you socialists are literally no different than the capitalists. Even more deceptive, kike, the industrialization happened in the USSR was done with Rothschild and Koch money who paid for US engineers to do all the heavy lifting. You're bragging about Jews using slave labor to build the largest work camp in human history that killed scores of Christians and ethnic Russians, and calling that a fucking accomplishment. Its the most sick, degenerate thing I've ever seen. How the fuck can you brag about the communists destroying the prestige of the Russian Empire just because they built a bunch of potholes and graves for their victims and called it an increase GDP per capita and industrial output?

>>19559702
Soviet economy grew 3 fold from 1929-1933 while American economy shrunk by 40%
>>19559695
>source: my ass

>>19559732
>>source: my ass
Lolwut. Are you denying the Soviet famines of 1932–1933 and 1946–1947? God, communists are so fucking retarded.

>>19559731
>indigenous culture and lives
lolwat

>>19559730
>these are the people calling everyone they dislike "chud" and other assortment of disparaging one's looks

Oof.

>>19559701
You want private exchange abolished - not money. You want the central bank to de jure abolish money through inflation and reserve banking by making all transactions dependent on government fiat. That's why communists are against decentralized currency because it does not allow them to control economic, and therefore, personal activity. If people own their money - they'll spend it in ways that harm your Jewish obsession with usury parasitism.

>>19559455
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_States#Facts_and_figures

Why do leftists hate personal responsability but turn into Jordan Peterson when talking about incels

>>19559732
Hmm...

>>19559225
You could have just typed:
>I have no idea what communism is beyond what TPUSA tells me it is
and saved yourself a lot of typing

>>19559768
>Ctrl+F "starvation"
>0 results
Funny how even the worst economic shock didn't cause mass starvation, unlike under socialism.

>>19559750
The Soviet Union did all of those things with ethnic deportations. Communism is a more decadent form of capitalism that fetishists numbers and productivity. That's why you just completely dodge the fact that the communists destroyed Russian culture by burning churches, destroying pre-Soviet architecture while censoring the literature and music of its past you kike

>>19559779
>n-n-not real gommunism!!
Cope harder, bunkercel

>>19559750
>Conquest of Australia - 63 million Aboriginal Australians

>At the time of first European contact, it is generally estimated that the pre-1788 population was 314,000, while recent archaeological finds suggest that a population of 500,000 to 750,000 could have been sustained

Something seems fishy...

>>19559779
Communism is when you give "the workers" material power through revolution which they use to materially establish communism by dematerializing "the state" thereby (materially)creating a "stateless, classless society" which may sound oxymoronic to the uninitiated but is in fact very scientific. Then we all become obese fat retards until a trash compacting robot betrays the revolution and returns us to the neolithic age in an act of pure irrational love. And history repeats.

Trannypol go home.

Communists really want to tell us its class that determines why people are poor and not their personal choices and genetics.The entire concept of class did not exist until very recently. No one went around pushing non-sense such as "class consciousnesses." Our ancestors very well understood that one's station in life was a natural consequence of their being. Traditions kept these iron laws of nature intact because they were methods that kept society stable and functioning. The type of alienation Marxists talk about only exists recently now because Marxists, like their capitalist friends, destroy any form of traditional life that was made of handling it. Instead, communists stupidly believe the better idea is just to burn everything to the ground and reserve thousands of years of linage because a minority of grunts can't accept the responsibilities that came with their corporeal life. So much unnecessary destruction of life, and tradition, is happening because Marxists want individuals to ignore the wisdom of their forefathers and make the mistakes that could be avoided if they took heed. Traditions exist because people tried the stupid shit you people believe in, and life showed it was not viable. That's why you should follow the perennial wisdom of them instead of making a mockery of yourself and the people around you who know better.

>>19559873
>muh feels
Cry moar

>>19559798
yeah

>>19559873
Maybe you cannot have tradion with our technology. Maybe traditionalists are also delusional.

>>19559587
no, communists oppose leftists
>>19559589
of capitalist enterprises, yes. it has to do with common ownership by the whole society, but that kind of ownership has nothing to do with the example of some Chinese farm, which was privately owned by a group of people to the exclusion of all the other people who didn't own it.
>>19559595
tl;dr
>>19559604
I have shifted no definitions. I only made an analogy to make you understand this extremely simple concept. but either you're just too stupid or you're pretending to be retarded to avoid admitting that your garbage argument fell apart in 5 seconds
>>19559625
they weren't lying, those states really weren't socialist
>>19559654
in the early 1920s Lenin was clear that the USSR hasn't even reached state capitalism, let alone socialism. and after the Stalinist counter-revolution communists were already denouncing its turn as anti-communist. I don't know what more you want.

>>19559908

>>19559887
Is there a name for when people start doing stuff like this? Like when a commie gloats to a nazi that soviets raped a lot of german women to the nazi then one-uping him by pointing out that there were more slavic women raped than german ones throughout the war. Atrocityposting?

>>19559908
>posts unreadable image
based commie retard

>>19559924
Subhumanposting.
>>19559914
Cope harder, subhuman.

>>19559914
>communists oppose leftists

>>19559887
Why do you scream about muh jews and muh workers when you're materialist bugman? It's contradictory.
>>19559911
The urge to be traditional ought to be stronger because of the vice of technology exists. You have it backwards - you use vanity to make excuses as to why you allow degradation. These are times that are suppose test men. You're suppose fight harder, but instead, you rather let everything die. And the result of communism, atheism, and all the woes of modern life. And even worse - you don't want to take responsibility for it.

>>19559798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM0ezXxDvyY
Yugoslavia was real communism, it worked, none of the people Tito killed were innocents, and it only failed because the midwit beta bureaucrats refused to follow his plan. Great man theory and "good times create weak men" are true.

>>19559914
>of capitalist enterprises, yes. it has to do with common ownership by the whole society, but that kind of ownership has nothing to do with the example of some Chinese farm, which was privately owned by a group of people to the exclusion of all the other people who didn't own it.
>Anhui in 1978
It WAS owned by society you braindead fucking moron. It wasn't some "capitalist enterprise". How can you be so fucking stupid and ignorant of history?

>>19559002
if only people realized...

>making the proles support the technological society
>Trying to save us

>>19559002
That's not Hitler

>>19559914
>I only made an analogy to make you understand this extremely simple concept.
What concept?
>but either you're just too stupid or you're pretending to be retarded to avoid admitting that your garbage argument fell apart in 5 seconds
What do you claim is "my argument" and why do you claim it "falls apart"?

i want my corporate overlord to keep fucking me in the ass

>>19559914
>they weren't lying
Yes you were.
>those states really weren't socialist
Why not?

>>19559995
You’re just wrong bro, stop embarrassing yourself

>>19559002
Do bunkercucks come here to subvert someone or what?

>>19559914
>the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics did not consider itself socialist
the absolute state of dumb commies lmaooooooooooooo

>>19559914
>communists were already denouncing its turn as anti-communist
And many more were already praising it as pro-communist.

>>19559966
>The urge to be traditional ought to be stronger because of the vice of technology exists
I don't have an urge to be traditional. And I don't see technology as a vice.

>>19559002
PBUH
>>19559009
PBUH
>>19559016
Dialectical Materialism refutes metaphysics and all claims of divinity.

>>19560029
It's ok, bunkercel, you can stop "pretending" to be retarded now.

these leftypol raids are so embarassing

>>19560092
Dialectical Materialism refutes itself.

>>19560092
>Dialectical Materialism
Refused by trinitarianism

>>19560106
Do they ever figure out this type of shit only hurts them?

>>19560106
They probably have a gay little discord. Imagine the smell.

>>19559002
Bullshit, he was Rothschild stooge.
When are /leftypol/ going to go back?

>>19560072
>I don't have an urge to be traditional.
No shit - I already pointed modernity had already destroyed much of it. True traditionalists haven't waned and exist though.
>And I don't see technology as a vice.
You don't see how social media and public education has turned people into trannies, liberals and communists? Humans need discipline - they can not be trusted with too much knowledge. Its like giving a baby a firecracker - you'll only come to regret it.
>>19560092
Dialectical materialism is talmudic huckstering and lies. Pure jewish sophistry.

>>19560174
>Dialectical materialism is talmudic huckstering and lies. Pure jewish sophistry.
Yep the greatest German philosopher in history was actually a Jewish huckster.

>>19560174
>You don't see how social media and public education has turned people into trannies, liberals and communists
You typed this bullshit because of what technology fed you. So you have a point.

>>19560136
>When are /leftypol/ going to go back?
Never. The jannies are are /leftypol/ faggots; that's how deeply they've infiltrated this board.

>>19559310
Lenin was literally just being a sophist in his argument.
>DOOOD WE DON'T WANT EQUALITY - WE JUST WANT TO ABOLISH CLASSES
You basically want humans to equal and call it something else. You can not abolish class - how can you abolish something determined by one's genetics? The division of labor is product of the fact workers naturally lack the inclinations to do certain kinds of work and naturally, traditionally fit certain roles. Blacks naturally are not intelligent enough to be doctors, but their good at being runners. Vice versa is true for many races. The idea we must ignore what nature has selected because of how we feel is ludicrous. The Jew Lenin thinks he just insult his way out of Tugan's argument - but the facts stand on their own. That's why Lenin had to institute NEP, and suspend worker control because he was unable to abolish classes. That's why it didn't even work in Yugoslavia - you just create a society of unproductive dunces who take on roles they are not meant for and do nothing but create disaster. Hierarchies are the natural consequence of the fact our genes determine our abilities and expertise and therefore our roles in society. There will always be classes, just like there were classes in the Soviet Union even after Lenin & Stalin because such natural laws of life can not be changed by mere men.

>>19560226
Why would a fascist like me limit the weapons I have against modernity? I simply use their tools against them while you kvetch.
>>19560205
Materialism is an inherent a Jewish invention. Everything materialist is the jewish spirit of money making and schemes. Traditionalism, spirituality, everything else is in opposition to it. Dimat and HisMat is the most nihilistic form of Jewish deception that exists.

>>19559441
>Hey wagie you have to work midnights again

>>19559955
leftism is the left wing of bourgeois politics. it's even more dangerous to communism than the rest, because it uses the strategy of pretending to be on the side of the proletariat and of falsifying communist theory, emptying it of truly revolutionary content and thus perfidiously leading workers astray
>>19559995
no, state ownership, ownership by associated groups of farmers, individual family ownership (private plots) -- none of those constitute social ownership. with the latter two this should be obvious. and as for the first one: under capitalism the state and all its property belongs to the ruling class, not to society as a whole. the concept of society as a whole remains a false abstraction for as long as people are divided into classes.
>>19560016
>What concept?
of a classless society, where people aren't distinguished by class despite being inequal
>What do you claim is "my argument" and why do you claim it "falls apart"?
the argument you were defending was that classes can't be abolished because class divisions are necessitated by inequality between men. and it falls apart in face of the simple observation that unequal individuals already co-exist within a single class, from which follows that inequality between them doesn't necessitate class division between them, from which follows that inequality between people doesn't necessitate class division between people.
>>19560058
no, that's false
>>19560250
>Blacks naturally are not intelligent enough to be doctors
lmao

>>19560300
Yes, but unironically. Workers only exist to produce goods for the superior members of society - this has been the case since the dawn of civilization. Some people need to be at the bottom to the work nobody else wants to do.
>>19560307
>WE WAZ KANGS IN SHEEIT MANG! ONLY WHITEY HOLDING US BLACKS DOWN!
No, not really, even blacks sold blacks into slavery. Blacks hardly have any civil accomplishments. Blacks have lower IQs, has less generational wealth, and even the societies that are pre-dominentally black have some the lowest levels of human development. You live around mostly white people, so, you have very utopian view of blacks.

>>19560334
>even blacks sold blacks into slavery.
You make it seem like it wasn't that common when the reality is that most blacks were captured and sold by other more powerful blacks.

there is a third way, my friends

>>19559002
Reminder that Marx literally thought capitalism's erosion of everything that matters is a good thing, and his only gripe with it was that it wasn't eroding class as well.

>>19560092
>Dialectical glasses refutes eyes

>>19559002
Replace the picture with Hitler or Evola and I’ll agree with you fag

>>19560334
I have a realistic view of black people. I know they've been especially brutalized by bourgeois society and I'm aware that this has affected their outcomes, because human beings are products of their environment. like, for example, if you weren't such a failure in life you probably wouldn't have to cope with all this racism and iq pseudoscience to prove to yourself that you're not worthless
>>19560419
like what? is this another episode of an incel virgin complaining about the decline of the family while no woman on earth would be willing to spend even one day with him, let alone the rest of her life?

>>19559353
kind of like the sources in the boomer tier gommunism no food infograph?

>>19560510
>The erosion of the family
>The homogenization of cultures
>The destruction of national borders
>The atomization of society
Capitalism has done a lot of harm to the world. Marx applauds it, he sees all of this as necessary for his dreams of the socialist stage of development. You can call me an incel or whatever else makes you happy, but at the end of the day I have seen capitalism's erosion of the family harm my own loved ones, and I hate it. I will not support someone who said things like that are good thing.

>>19560510
>iq
>pseudoscience
IQ is literally the most reliable field of psychology, it has better replicatability than a lot of physics papers.
Stop reading that imbecilic Lebanese man and grapple with actual papers from experts on the field.

If you believe that Nature restricts the absolute freedom of the collective spirit which developed throughout history, you are retarded. Human beings are God. Nature, the Non-I, is only a product of the Ego's transcendental spontaneity. The material universe is just Gods alienation from himself in the process of knowing himself. Communism is the resolution of this, and it WILL happen, inevitably. You guys claim to hate Materialism, but and yet believe that the spirit is controlled and determined by blind necessity of "how things are" which has no reason. Whether you call that "how things are" spirit or genetics, make no difference, you deny the freedom of the spirit in favor of factual existence in the here and now. You are all Nietzscheans, evil bastards.

>>19560307
based

>>19560567
>Communism is the resolution of this, and it WILL happen, inevitably
Global warming will solve this delusion for once and for all. Have fun trying to reach the communist stage of development when the ecological reality forces us all back to feudalism (that's a good thing, by the way).

>>19559016
Jesus is fundamentally immoral. You can't forgive someone on another person's behalf, If someone treads on my toes, a third party has no right to forgive them, I am the wronged party, I am the only one that can forgive. Jesus proclaimed to forgive everyone without so much as consulting the actual wronged parties, thus his teachings obliterate any reasonable basis for morality meaning his only use is to be used to leverage the credulous masses into docility while those in power take advantage in the only life that we know for sure we have.

>>19559225
The fists in that pic have six fingers

>>19560576
Nature does not determine Spirit, Spirit determines nature. Fucking materialist dumbass.

>>19560544
Who makes the IQ test, who is the IQ tests for? Look at the entire history of IQ and it is basically a carry-over from Eugenics and Nazi ideology of the Aryans supremacy. I personally do not care whether 'IQ' are right because its a recent historical concept that is intrinsically linked to racism (thus making the terms of any discussion on it by itself racist)
You're basically a liberal who defers back to academia as some neutral source instead one of class conflict where eugenics has basically become institutionalized (through the field of Evolutionary Psychology). Thus it creates stupid specimen like yourself who have been told your whole life that you are simply superior and will turn to reaction when you're eventually become proletarianized by the laws of capital instead of getting some cushy academia job.
Thank god for Marxism who is able to deconstruct how stupid you are and the biases inherent in you to reveal that you are in fact that make you all predictable and reveal that when called out on it, liberals are simply fascists.

Marx threads are such a coinflip. Sometimes there is good back and forth discussion from both sides, other times, like this thread, it's just retards from /pol/ posting their retard graphs and obsessively fixating on one or two bunk points. The latter has been happening more and more so I have to wonder what or who's been bringing the dumb fucks from /pol/ over here to shit things up

>>19559441
Into the cage to produce exchange value for Bezos!

>>19560531
>Marx applauds it
citations please

>>19559730
>>19559464
What a pathetic freak show, is this what communism does to people?

>>19560531
>I have seen capitalism's erosion of the family harm my own loved ones, and I hate it.
every year of prolonging capitalism only means subjecting more people to this harm, so you either don't really hate it or you're deluded into thinking that the wheel of history can be turned back
>>19560544
iq is a nonsensical category. it's supposed to measure the ability to do nothing in particular, which is an absurdity. you can use all statistical trickery you want to pretend to breath life into it, but no fiddling with numbers can alter the laws of logic to make iq an actual thing.
and by the way, it's 2021, so it's time to graduate beyond Jordan Peterson youtube videos. the realization that the entire field of psychology is similar worthless garbage I permit you to delay into early 2022, given that it's already december.
>>19560576
lmao, global warming is not enough to force us back to feudalism or anything similar. you do realize that the alarmist rhetoric around climate is intended to urge action, and not to accurately reflect reality? in the actual science there's nothing suggesting that modern productive forces are in any danger.
>>19560630
this is what liberalism does to people. communists, on the other hand, hold that anti-fascism was the worst product of fascism

Do you people even read your own ideology? I'm not even a Marxist and I know more about Marx than you guys seem to.

>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
>Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.
>On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie.
Marx sees the family as a bourgeoisie invention and wants its destruction.

>>19560603
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch27.htm
>This is the abolition of the capitalist mode of production within the capitalist mode of production itself,.....
Trust the plan bro, working for Bezos is going to bring about the end of capitalism. Our Prophet Marx said so!

>>19560602
/pol/ has been invading /lit/ all day. Really makes it not even worth coming here on days like today.

>>19560658
Based Camatte understander. Marx is a prophet of productive forces, ie, Capitalism par excellence, not a detractor.

>>19560658
Meant for >>19560615 as well.

>>19560652
>global warming is not enough to force us back to feudalism or anything similar. you do realize that the alarmist rhetoric around climate is intended to urge action, and not to accurately reflect reality? in the actual science there's nothing suggesting that modern productive forces are in any danger.
People are predicting civilization collapsing with increasing urgency. In what world do the productive forces survive when global unrest make the present supply chains and other critical infrastructure fall apart?

>>19560666
Shouldn't have censored them on mainsteam social media if you didn't want this to happen.
the /pol/ youth needs a place to stay, you can't just pretend they don't exist.

>>19560658
I agree that Marx applauds capitalism for helping get rid of all the muck of ages, but you're fucking illiterate if you really think the quotes are saying what you think. the boasting at the beginning of the post makes it hilarious
>>19560672
>People are predicting civilization collapsing with increasing urgency.
who? is it in an actual serious paper or are you talking about alarmist propaganda to spur action?
>In what world do the productive forces survive when global unrest make the present supply chains and other critical infrastructure fall apart?
what will fall apart? it would have to be a meteor strike tier event to simultaneously ruin everything to the level that it can't be easily rebuilt

>>19560658
>I'm not even a Marxist and I know more about Marx than you guys seem to.
You have demonstrated a very surface level understanding of Marx, as other posters have already told you

>>19560658
>>19560672
>Do you people even read your own ideology?
I was well aware of what you'd post, I wanted to show that people who actually believe that Marx and Engels had some underhanded plot to take away the love of the family away are always hyper fixated on several out of context sentences which don't allow for the full ideas to be conveyed.
From Engels' Origin of the Family:
>With the herds and the other new riches, a revolution came over the family. To procure the necessities of life had always been the business of the man; he produced and owned the means of doing so. The herds were the new means of producing these necessities; the taming of the animals in the first instance and their later tending were the man’s work. To him, therefore, belonged the cattle, and to him the commodities and the slaves received in exchange for cattle. All the surplus which the acquisition of the necessities of life now yielded fell to the man; the woman shared in its enjoyment, but had no part in its ownership. The “savage” warrior and hunter had been content to take second place in the house, after the woman; the “gentler” shepherd, in the arrogance of his wealth, pushed himself forward into the first place and the woman down into the second. And she could not complain. The division of labor within the family had regulated the division of property between the man and the woman. That division of labor had remained the same; and yet it now turned the previous domestic relation upside down, simply because the division of labor outside the family had changed. The same cause which had ensured to the woman her previous supremacy in the house – that her activity was confined to domestic labor – this same cause now ensured the man's supremacy in the house: the domestic labor of the woman no longer counted beside the acquisition of the necessities of life by the man; the latter was everything, the former an unimportant extra.
So it's actually the opposite, they believe that people should associate freely and lovingly with each other solely because of their shared affection, not for breeding stock and inheritance. The USSR was very pro-family not because they were inherently conservative (although they probably were socially conservative - I am personally socially conservative too) but because it's natural to keep close contact with your kins if you don't have to worry about your paycheck. The extended family has been largely abolished because people are simply too tired and too busy to visit their grand parents because after working 10 hours a day on the other side of the planet due to globalization.

>>19560709
>the /pol/ youth needs a place to stay
that's what /pol/ is for you fucking retard

>>19559427
when the "communist government genocides dont count" double standard ends

>>19560590
You're confused. Stop being an Antichrist and realize the wrong-dooer can forgive and stop doing wrong.

>>19560738
>the muck of ages
You call it muck, many people consider their families and cultures to be valuable. Hell, even your CCP spends a fair bit of time promoting family values and Chinese culture. (Let me guess, they're not real communists?)

>but you're fucking illiterate if you really think the quotes are saying what you think.
You can cope all you like, Marx was a literal accelerationist and all the stupidity of that approach is present in his works.

>>19560738
>who? is it in an actual serious paper or are you talking about alarmist propaganda to spur action?
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter12_FINAL.pdf
The IPCC, who about as impartial and anti-alarmist as it gets.

>what will fall apart?
Okay look at it this way. Today, goods are produced by transporting natural resources to a place where they are processed. These processed resources are shipped to a place where they are turned into goods, which are finally shipped to end users. Pray tell, how will this system survive when natural disasters and climate-induced political unrest ravage all of these steps? You cannot ship metals from Africa to China if African mines aren't running because all the workers are dying in famines or fleeing to better places. You cannot manufacture stuff in China if coastal factories are underwater and the country is in a state of unrest due to people having to relocate. The productive forces which Marx fawns over so much will not survive.

>>19560770
I don't pretend to have read the man's whole oeuvre, but I am confident that I have read more of Marxists like Marx and Mao than most of this board.

>>19560772
Again, I think capitalism's effects on the family has been bad. I think that Marx approves of it because the end result of families being eroded is ensuring the only conflict is class conflict.

A common characteristic of those who have not actually read any Marx is to claim he was an outright dumbass. Anyone who’s actually read him knows he is anything but. Maybe if you American retards actually considered the ideas you have and the ideas you oppose non-dogmatically the world would spin a lot smoother.

>>19560600
>I personally do not care whether 'IQ' are right
Many such cases commie.
>that is intrinsically linked to racism (thus making the terms of any discussion on it by itself racist)
And that means what exactly in terms of discussion? That it's meaningless?
>You're basically a liberal
>t. guy who considers racism a bad thing
>You're basically a liberal who defers back to academia as some neutral source instead one of class conflict
That's not what anon said at all, and he did mention its internal conflicts, especially in racial matters, but then again it's all liberal to you.
> where eugenics has basically become institutionalized (through the field of Evolutionary Psychology)
This is... risible, if not completely ignorant of actual EP. The field is already filled to the brim with Marxtards.
>invents fantasy scenario that will most likely never happen
Scientific.
>Thank god for Marxism who is able to deconstruct how stupid you are and the biases inherent in you to reveal that you are in fact that make you all predictable and reveal that when called out on it, liberals are simply fascists.
The irony is palpable.

>>19560817
>the wrong-dooer can forgive and stop doing wrong.
>"Sorry I stole from you, but I've promised not to steal again so I forgave myself of what I already stole!"
I can't even describe how retarded you sound. You are actively eroding the basis of morality with this drivel.

>>19560772
> after working 10 hours a day on the other side of the planet due to globalization.
This is not true - people are working less than they did 100+ years ago by at least 2-3 times amount.
>The USSR was very pro-family
The USSR was very pro-family by starving many of them to death and sending the rest to work camps. True.

>>19560839
>If just read the Talmudic ramblings of Marx instead of acknowledging the atrocities carried out by Marxist regimes you'd see he was a smart guy!
How many layers/levels of Judaism can you go into this cult?

>>19560837
>Again, I think capitalism's effects on the family has been bad. I think that Marx approves of it because the end result of families being eroded is ensuring the only conflict is class conflict.
I wouldn't go as far as to say he 'approves' to 'ensure' the only conflict is class conflict so much as he predicts that the only conflict will be class conflict as a natural result of these processes.

>>19560839
Yes, Marx was a racist like most authors before the WWII
The problem lies with Marxists, not with Marx

>>19560867
>This is not true - people are working less than they did 100+ years ago by at least 2-3 times amount.
Do you have a job? If so, doing what? 10 hours a day is completely normal.
>The USSR was very pro-family by starving many of them to death and sending the rest to work camps. True.
haha yes gommunism no food reddit gold and upvotes to the left for you sir.

>>19560910
>Do you have a job? If so, doing what? 10 hours a day is completely normal.
No, its not. You are making shit up like retard.
>haha yes gommunism no food reddit gold and upvotes to the left for you sir.
Unironically yes, you stupid faggot. Why do you think the revolutions of 1989 happened? Twitter trannies don't know anything about how bad communism was - they never lived under it.

>>19560931
>1870 - 1987
Fucking kek, nice bro. Anyway, you didn't answer whether or not you hold a job and what that job may be which is more telling than any boog graphs that show us how great everything is and how thankful we should be.
>Twitter trannies don't know anything about how bad communism was - they never lived under it.
No, but my father did and he has a more rosy opinion on it than /pol/tards who have never lived under it.

>>19560958
>Fucking kek, nice bro.
So, I accept your concession you have no argument then? We've still seen decreases.
https://ourworldindata.org/working-hours
Your shitty personal experiences don't change reality, Marxist. Just because you're solipsistic doesn't change reality.
>No, but my father did and he has a more rosy opinion on it than /pol/tards who have never lived under it.
Your father should never had kids - you're such a degenerate. I would have just killed your father honestly to save the world the trouble.

>>19561015
>doesn't have a job
>will cherry pick (((their)))[sic] data when it's convenient
>larps as a tough guy
Underage and /pol/ pilled. Embarrassing.

>>19559730
Interesting. Some of the women are quite cute, whereas the men are almost unanimously ugly. What does this tell us?

>>19560879
>If you judge his ideas based on what other people did, he's terrible!
And you bring up Jewish trickery? LOL

I may have never read Marx but I know 1) Marxist are envious idiots, 2) I'm right, and 3) it's not worth arguing with them. Read Hoppe and good night.

>>19559002
Just bought this after hearing a Jeff Booth interview. Seems like an interesting take on inflation vs deflation.

>>19561073
>Doesn't read
>Is convinced he's right
>Austrian School
Yep, certified retard

>>19561077
>Deflation good
This is my economic philosophy and I'm not even a leftist

>>19560879
>>19561063
kek pic rel

>>19559002
His goal in life was to overthrow the gentile world order through w.e means. Tax boycotts, rioting, ect. There is a reason he had to move residence every single year. The guy was a criminal.

>>19559002
>>19559009
yes

>>19559225
>>19559016
cope harder

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>>19561120
cope. this is a board for reading.

>>19561128
yeah if i wanna read i'll just grab a book and read it, not go to 4chan and see some tankie """meme""", get real

>>19559002

>>19560602
>>19560666
Too bad this board doesn't have ID of posters so we can see it's the same bunkerfaggot replying to his own comments. The 666 digits confirm it, tho.

>>19560709
>the /pol/ youth needs a place to stay, you can't just pretend they don't exist.
There's this site called 4chan which has a politics board perfect for what they want. It's a shame that most of them don't seem to be aware of it.

>>19561140
Don't be absurd, if you can't read a less than 50 word meme without whinging, on /lit/ of all places, then you are definitely not reading a book, tourist.

>read shitty long leftist unfunny memes, not a books by radical right-wingers, goy!

>>19560861
You don't think people are capable of forgiveness? You must have a miserable life.

>>19559002
what if I simply refuse to be part of a union or labour force, what then commies?

Welp, this thread sure is a shit show :^|

>>19562050
scabs don't need tongues.

>>19560666
It's a good time to get comfy with a good book.

>>19560602
>>19560666
Too bad this board doesn't have ID of posters so we can see it's the same bunkerfaggot replying to his own comments. The 666 digits confirm it, tho.

>>19559002
You didn't understand him, then.
Marx just wanted to be a scientist.
Ended up being a pseudo-scientist instead, but whatever, just another Comte in a century of Comtes.

>>19560590
Jesus is God. When you transgress against me, you transgress against the Lord, our Father.

Do you not get that, anon? Are you so deep in your vanity that you can't see the gift we've been given?

>>19562303
1) Science hadn't firmed up. Read Kuhn, Lakatos and F[———] on this.
2) Marx wanted to be Proletarian Space Jesus and Fuck History until Clio Came Buckets from her Cock
3) In reality Marx was a sad petits-bourgeois library visitor who couldn't party, and couldn't even impregnate the maid properly
4) Marx, despite his aspiration to a liberal over throwing of all previous habits, discovered through science, that only praxis could produce historical change, and that the only source of praxis was the working class transforming itself into a proletariat (of necessity, and of choice). The mature threads in Marx emphasise this "science of history," rather than liberal voluntarism.
5) Marx's attempts to assist this impeded it
6) Even his scientific works, even his best ones designed as weapons, *were inferior to Engels*
7) Engels, Sisters, House Parties in London, Not dying of self-neglect
8) Out of the two, most 20th century working class communists relied on Engel's works to inform their immediate struggles for self-liberation.
9) TWO SISTERS AT ONCE

I, sir, am an Engelsian.

>>19559750
>African Slave Trade: 2.6 million
>"Invasion" of New Zealand: 4 million Maori
Wtf? There were about 150,000 Maori in New Zealand pre-colonisation. There were minor land wars but it was a relatively peaceful colonisation. Fucking retard must have come up with this stuff.
>63 million Aboriginal Australians
This is a joke.

>>19559016
Alleluia amen.

>>19559002
Inject this to your brain: Good intentions doesn't equate good result, of course he tried to make the world a better place but what was the result?

>>19559009

This

Most based man of the 20th century. Pure philosopher king with balls.

>>19559750
What is the point of an argument like this? Anglos wage war? Groundbreaking stuff. Next you’ll tell me every other race does too, eh? Shall I also tally up any verifiable murders of Neanderthals to complete your meaningless argument? Why didn’t you go ahead and shove in the murder of cows, chickens, and lambs to the image just to give it an added factor of shock and lunacy?

>>19559339
>Just let communism exist for hundreds of years Goy!
Even if communism was left to its own devices it still wouldn’t last long enough to equal up to capitalism’s ‘death total’. After all, if large swaths of my country were being forcefully starved and overworked I’m sure it wouldn’t last more than a few decades too.

>>19559002
You can't save anyone if your solution doesn't work, communism doesn't work.

>>19562407
A literal mushroom? Nigger, you're on crack.

>>19559002

>In Yeltsin's own autobiography, he wrote about the experience at Randall's, which shattered his view of communism, according to pundits. Two years later, he left the Communist Party and began making reforms to turn the economic tide in Russia.

>Maybe you can blame those frozen Jell-O Pudding pops he's seen marveling in those Chronicle photos.

>"When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,"Yeltsin wrote. "That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it."

https://www.nhregister.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/When-Boris-Yeltsin-went-grocery-shopping-in-Clear-5759129.php

Only the most worthless of fools believe communism has value.

>>19559002
Using fire to fight fire is not exactly what a genuine fire brigade would do.

>>19562797
NSW RFS

>>19559002
holy fuck
you really are retarded

>>19562401
>of course he tried to make the world a better place
He most likely just wanted to sniff his own farts like all upperclass wellfare preachers do.

>>19561043
That motherfuckers are so desperate for pussy they'll become domestic terrorists instead of self-improving

>>19562871
makes sense since there are those who snackbar themselves in a crow of people hoping for a bunch of virgins afterwards

>>19559002
It is class not race, so no.

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SPeed-walking???? more like SNEED walking (LOLE)

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>>19562325
Imagine if someone said that to you about Vishnu or Shiva or Allah? You are appealing to a made up concept. A fabrication. An invention. Morality comes from human beings, not some invisible being in the sky or some ethereal divine entity. You might as well appeal to any cult's supreme leader.

Communism and command economy doesn't have the incentive for frequent revolutions in production. What the soviet governments implemented was already a know-how of industrialization that happened under capitalism. It was forced, but it was a success. The problem is that command economy would always follow the innovations in the capitalist camp and not vice versa, unless under the condition of war(which should not be a communism requirement). Why woudn't the people of slavic nations choose to have the real deal(albeit lesser in quality) than wait even longer for the improvements in life quality if they stay communist.

>>19559681
USSR officials regularly fudged the numbers in order to receive more funding to embezzle

>>19560837
>You call it muck, many people consider their families and cultures to be valuable.
many serfs considered their lords valuable because there was nobody else to help them after a bad harvest. this is irrelevant. people's consciousness adjusts after the historical circumstances have changed, not before.
>your CCP spends a fair bit of time promoting family values and Chinese culture
the Chinese party is bourgeois and it does the thing basically every other bourgeois party does. unbelievable
>Marx was a literal accelerationist
no, Marx was clear that in order to emancipate itself the proletariat has to organize and fight AGAINST capital. he never said that they should just wait and work FOR IT, going along with the bosses and their state to accelerate capitalism so that one day a communist society will magically happens.
>https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter12_FINAL.pdf
this is 100 pages. in which page does it say that the world productive forces are likely to deteriorate to a pre-capitalist level?
>Pray tell, how will this system survive when natural disasters and climate-induced political unrest ravage all of these steps?
political unrest can't ravage it to the extent you're saying. people must have their needs fulfilled, and if it becomes a real possibility that they won't be able to do it at all, a political solution will be forced immediately: either a proletarian dictatorship or a strong-hand bourgeois fascist government. if only half of the people can be fed, then capital will organize another Holocaust for them. but there sure won't be a any comebacks of feudalism.
>You cannot ship metals from Africa to China if African mines aren't running because all the workers are dying in famines or fleeing to better places.
then they will send their army secure the deliveries
>You cannot manufacture stuff in China if coastal factories are underwater
this is retarded. they'll just go underwater one day taking China by surprise? lmao shut the fuck up
>>19560892
no, he wasn't. unless you're a leftard who thinks saying a no-no word is racism

>>19563275
imagine typing out all that retardation and actually believing any of it.

>>19563287
which part do you disagree with and why?

>>19559002
>>19559009
Based.

>>19559016
Cringe.

>>19563298
>implying I would actually waste my time debating that smut

>>19559984
Yugoslavia was a failure through and through, that was massively propped up by US aid and lends. Go read some more.

>>19563275
>the Chinese party is bourgeois and it does the thing basically every other bourgeois party does. unbelievable
>The CCP, the most powerful ML party in the world today, is also not real communism!
There’s no point in talking to you.

>>19560839
Exactly the same thing with Rousseau. They attribute the French Revolution as some kind of implementation of his ideas which is false. People completely misunderstand where he's coming from because they haven't read his foundational ideas.

>>19559984
>coca-cola shilling, american aided state capitalism was real gommunism
jebem ti mater

>>19560590
>Jesus proclaimed to forgive everyone
Jesus proclaimed no such thing, God doesn't save everyone, only those He elects. Not everyone is forgiven, only those who are decreed to repent and be reborn. Molinism is not true Christianity.

>>19563275
>many serfs considered their lords valuable because there was nobody else to help them after a bad harvest. this is irrelevant. people's consciousness adjusts after the historical circumstances have changed, not before.
Also, if any of the Communists from earlier itt who were trying to say that Marx wasn’t actually against the family are still around, I would love to see you try to refute this. It’s a Marxist saying that Marxism sees families as things to be done away with, not me.

>>19559016
spbp

>>19564062
what power a party has doesn't determine whether it's communist or not. and Marxism-Leninism is an ideology of bourgeois revolution that was born out of the defeat of the proletarian international revolution of 1917-1927 and which served as support for capitalist development in Russia and other countries that had a late entry into capitalism. it's not communist but anti-communist, because it unscrupulously oversees proletarian super-exploitation and ensures its continuity by deceiving the workers and telling them that they're strengthening socialism, not capitalism.
>>19564183
Marxism doesn't see family as something "to be done away with". the situation is analogous as with religion: Marxists (like Engels and the Bolsheviks) hold that it will wither away together with class society, but at the same time they harshly rebuke those who say it can or should be actively "done away with". here's Engels on religion:
>Mere knowledge, even if it went much further and deeper than that of bourgeois economic science, is not enough to bring social forces under the domination of society. What is above all necessary for this, is a social act. And when this act has been accomplished, when society, by taking possession of all means of production and using them on a planned basis, has freed itself and all its members from the bondage in which they are now held by these means of production which they themselves have produced but which confront them as an irresistible alien force, when therefore man no longer merely proposes, but also disposes — only then will the last alien force which is still reflected in religion vanish; and with it will also vanish the religious reflection itself, for the simple reason that then there will be nothing left to reflect.
>Herr Dühring, however, cannot wait until religion dies this, its natural, death. He proceeds in more deep-rooted fashion. He out-Bismarcks Bismarck; he decrees sharper May laws not merely against Catholicism, but against all religion whatsoever; he incites his gendarmes of the future against religion, and thereby helps it to martyrdom and a prolonged lease of life.
note especially the second paragraph, and there especially the very last clause. the same criticism from Marxists applies to those who want to actively abolish family.

>>19564349
No one cares about your stupid ass hokus pokus nigger. Nothing you commies say have no bearing on reality. Former communist countries are now some of the most religious in Europe - your ideas don't work

>>19565299
>Nothing you commies say have no bearing on reality.
So everything the commies say has bearing on reality. LMAO. Checkmate.

>>19565299
there's no such thing as former communist countries. the popularity of religion in the countries you have in mind actually just confirms the Marxist thesis that those countries were bourgeois, not socialist.
and the ideas of communists aren't supposed to do some magic work and make a rabbit come out of a hat. they only reflect reality, and you just inadvertently gave some evidence that they do that. the Manifesto:
>The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be universal reformer. They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes.

>>19559002
Save who. Who the fuck is "us"?
Dysgenic people are a disease. They only survive by rationalizing that they have value in nature even though in reality they only leech off of valid human beings nd destroying them in the process.
Hes just a jew done the only thing a jew has ever done. Lie for impose false validation.

>>19565299
>Former communist countries are now some of the most religious in Europe
>>19565393
>the popularity of religion in the countries you have in mind actually just confirms the Marxist thesis that those countries were bourgeois, not socialist.
You're both nigtards, Estonia is one of the least religious countries in the world while Poland is very Catholic.

>>19559002
Save who. Who the fuck is "us"?
Dysgenic people are a disease. They only survive by rationalizing that they have value in nature even though in reality they only leech off of valid human beings and destroy them in the process.
Hes just a jew doing the only thing a jew has ever done. Lie for the purpose of imposing false validation.

>>19565393
>Real communism has never been done.
Imagine my shock & surprise.

>>19565414
Russia is one of the most religious countries in the world

>>19565436
Religious people are just jewish pawns.
Its nothing to brag about no matter what ethnicity.
Fit people thrive on their understanding of reality.

>>19565459
Communists want to replace religion with the Talmudic ramblings of Marx.

>>19559002
Nope: http://mileswmathis.com/marx.pdf

>>19559002
anything that is studying capital will always lead to its critique. marx was unironically right about everything.

>>19565436
Source: _____

>>19559225
>areas have constant famines before communism is ever around
>communism "gives" a final famine (aka it just happens under communism)
>COMMUNISM CAUSES FAMINES
>no more famine after that

really makes you think

>>19565508
Your own source literally agrees with me, retard. Are you not reading it correctly? Only 17% of people in Russia say religion isn't important to them. 83% think it does. Thank you for providing the source, retard.

>>19565486
And religious people want to replace fascism, ethno nationalism, and eugenics with emotional validation.
Christianity was just a much older version of communism also imposed by jews upon people that were a lot stronger, fitter, and less susceptible to hostile infiltration than you are.

>>19565486
Save who. Who the fuck is "us"?
Dysgenic people are a disease. They only survive by rationalizing that they have value in nature even though in reality they only leech off of valid human beings nd destroying them in the process.
Hes just a jew done the only thing a jew has ever done. Lie for impose false validation. Which is why the only people that took it seriously were the peasants and slaves. Nothing has changes, liberalism has just allowed them to bred a lot faster without being curtailed.

>>19565518
You are reading the chart the opposite way. Read again.

>>19565431
real communism is being done continually since the late 1700s when the proletarian movement was born

>>19565486
And religious people want to replace fascism, ethno nationalism, and eugenics with emotional validation.
Christianity was just a much older form of communism which was also imposed by jews on people that were much stronger, fitter, and more resilient to hostile foreigners than you.
Which is why the only people that took it seriously were the peasants and slaves. Nothing has changed, liberalism has just allowed them to bred a lot faster without being curtailed.

>>19565514
NK had famine in the 90s retard.

>>19559002
With what?
The foundation for a really autistic splinter-prone religion/ideology hybrid and very shitty model of historical development?

>>19565681
if asked, I will explain why Marx's historical models are cringe. and

>>19565687
dumb.

>>19565687
>>19565690
Tell us anon.

>>19559009
actually it would be him, he's a lenin scholar.

>>19560125
Refuted by JWs

>>19559341
I cope by knowing that humanity will one day destroy itself through sheer greed

>>19559002
>We've done it! We've finally created a communist utopia!
>What do you mean I have to work in a coal mine? I'm a liberal arts major!
>WTF this is so much worse than a job
>How the hell did this happen?

Marx did more damage to the working classes than anyone since.

>>19565738
too simplistic. Outdated, too focused on the economy (not to say you shouldn't), deep throats several auld narratives. Etc.

>>19559016
To each according to his needs, is not from Marx originally, but from the new testament, acts of the apostles. Marx literally quoted the new testament.
Jesus would have liked Marx. Seizing the means of production, is analog to chasing the merchants out of the temple.
>>19559339
Since bolshevism was State Capitalism, you can add those "communist death", to the Capitalism pile.

>>19559455
>>starvation caused by capitalism
>No such thing.
What is the Great Famine (Ireland)?

>>19565938
>What do you mean I have to work in a coal mine?
Why do you think anyone would work in a coal mine under communism when it's already a faltering profession under capitalism, and when most communists advocate for renewables or nuclear?

>>19566012
Imagine being so brain dead you actually think this.

>>19566572
Stalinism wasn't bolshevism. and when Russia was still bolshevik, Lenin was pretty clear that they aren't anywhere near state capitalism, but more like in undeveloped private capitalism. its laughable to talk about state capitalism when basically the entire agriculture is in the hands of millions of peasants and not the state.

>>19562414
Your retarded argument is precisely how anti-communists reached their 100 million estimate, by the way

>>19562792
An alcoholic liberal receiving state power does not negate communism

>>19565488
now THIS is schizoposting

>>19566757
O. K.

>>19565671
im sure those international sanctions placed on them by every powerful country on earth worked wonders to fight against the impending famine

>>19566766
It more to do with the fact of their central planning - which caused famines in China and the USSR. The kind of famines you defend.

>>19566960
>It more to do with the fact of their central planning
Ah yes, all of a sudden. Definitely not an active decision of others.

>>19559873
>The entire concept of class did not exist until very recently
Jesus fucking Christ...

>>19559016
holy based

>>19559002
yeh by trying to abolishing the family, nation-states and religion

>>19560837
>families
Your family isn't going to get fucking forcibly separated.

>>19559009
>>19559002
>leftypol sperging out b/c they are always laugh out of /lit/

>>19559002
>>19559009
cringe

>>19559016
based

>>19559441
this

>>19566624
it's true

>>19561279
>There's this site called 4chan
Yes

>>19560666
>>19560602
marixsm was always laugh out of /lit/ due to the mental gymnastics and cult like behavior that commiecucks had.

>>19559225
pic related: capitalism rewarding hard work (with even more hard work)

>>19559225
basically this

>>19567298
Child labor was allowed in the Soviet Union and Marx was against child labor laws. Can you explain why?

>>19567298
>people laboring with absolutely no industrial capital short of a shovel
looks they could benefit from more capital not less

>>19564349
>Marxism-Leninism is an ideology of bourgeois revolution that was born out of the defeat of the proletarian international revolution of 1917-1927 and which served as support for capitalist development in Russia and other countries that had a late entry into capitalism. it's not communist but anti-communist, because it unscrupulously oversees proletarian super-exploitation and ensures its continuity by deceiving the workers and telling them that they're strengthening socialism, not capitalism.
You are a random person posting on the internet about how based and Marxist you are, while Marxist-Leninists run actual countries. I think Marxist-Leninists are the real Marxists and the rest are larpers.

>>19567642
>Marxist you are, while Marxist-Leninists run actual countries. I think Marxist-Leninists are the real Marxists and the rest are larpers
there both fags who worship a failed ideology.

>>19559002
Communism is only valuable for ONE reason: As a diet plan that actually works.

>>19567298
Capitalist dystopia ruled by porky.
Picrel is on the other hand a worker's paradise.

>>19559225
El Americano moment

>>19567642
>You are a random person posting on the internet about how based and Marxist you are
where have I posted about how based and Marxist I am?
>while Marxist-Leninists run actual countries
Joe Biden runs a country too. is he a Marxist?
>I think Marxist-Leninists are the real Marxists and the rest are larpers.
and you're wrong. they're anti-communist falsifiers of Marxism
>>19567842
Marxists don't worship any ideology. stop projecting your retarded bourgeois idealism on everything

>>19559341
The emperor died so the peasants were free.

>The villagers were fortunate in that at the time China had just changed leadership after Mao Zedong had died.

What has this got to do with a classless society? Mao's China was just an empire like the USSR and the UK.

>>19559731
>NOOOOOO muh colonized bodies and spaces
lmao

>>19559009
>european nations acting in their own interest is le bad

>>19567298
Imagine caring about the "global south". There is no such thing as a third world country, there is no dependency on a non-existant notion

posadisme https://youtu.be/8UgSYqTRbXo

>>19569717
Doesn't look like a WW2 mauser to me? Either way what a shame, nice rifle

>>19560590
>t. Has never read covenant theology

>>19559091
lol pyrrhus thinking "goddam romegrs"

>>19566572
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL retard

>>19567642
This, I am so tired of American Children sperging about their stupid alternative socialism bullshit that never is actually implemented, I respect Vanguardists who failed because they at least try to implement their ideology in pratice. May Xi kill them all.

>>19566683
>N-n-no you!

>>19559701
p sure you wouldn’t be a gommie if your friends weren’t. p sure your life isn’t going to get any better as long as you hold onto ideologies for your identity and way of understanding life

>>19561043
that ur gay

>>19559002
He didn't tried. He is trying currently. He lives through us. Thanks Karl. RIP.

>>19572181

>He didn't tried. He is trying currently. He lives through us. Thanks Karl. RIP

Milton Friedman lives through me. We wouldn't be able to have this discussion of he didn't. You're welcome.

>>19572191
>Milton Friedman
I wonder what he would have said about the negative interest rates.

>>19567190
>ESL
>doesn't read
shouldn't you be on /pol/?

>>19563306
deaf

>>19559002
based

>>19559002
>>19559009
>>19559016
Wahdaddin Trotpostin

>>19560666
>Criticizing Marxism is /pol/

>>19572985
This thread should have been pruned days ago and it's going to hit bump limit. It's almost as low-quality an OP as one can get.

>>19566597
The point was that under communism you still have to work but you get a shitty job that you have no say in. This is why only communism is only unironically supported by braindead liberal arts majors living in an academia-induced circlejerk and talentless fast food workers with nothing to lose.

>>19559595
>Marxism gives rise to the proletarian and class mentality where it previously did not exist
Yes, class struggle totally has not existed for as long as class has existed. Even in the days of the roman republic you could see the plebeians and the patricians going at it. Literally the first page of the communist manifesto addressing your bullshit.
>the history of all hitherto existing society

>>19572999
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>19559016
Based
>>19560092
Bait
>>19561115
Define cope.
>>19563300
What religious texts have you read?

>>19573083
>you have no idea what you're talking about
>tripfag
This is better than a screenplay

>>19559002
Sponsored by, and related to, the Rothschilds. He was another proponent of masonic globalism. You were deceived. They have their hands in every endeavor.

>>19562976
Jajajaja

>>19572307
Mad that you're not welcome here leftycuck?

>>19569484
>Marxists don't worship any ideology. stop projecting your retarded bourgeois idealism on everything
bait/10

>>19574249
lmfao I think you'll find that it's the retards who don't read-and in your case don't even know how to come across as someone who reads-that aren't welcome. pol tourists always stick out so get lurking and learn how to at least hide your retardation

>>19574281
>Everybody I don't like is /pol/
Outed yourself yet again. Maybe reddit is more your style, since you obviously have read nothing but commie cope books.

>no actual discussion of marx, only pitting of combative memes made by other people
what a bunch of culture brained retards, go read something instead of getting your opinions from memes you literal idea cucks.

>>19574296
>no actual discussion of marx
Marx is a meme. Anybody who post about him are asking for serious discussion.

>>19574296
look at the OP of this thread and try to tell me this thread wasn't shit the moment it was created.

>>19574302
usually a low effort bait thread has at least one or two posters making decent points, even the jbp threads are better than this.
>>19574297
thanks for the low effort holism, got any more in your memory banks?

>>19574281
lol please, you stick out like a sore thumb

>>19574314
>thanks for the low effort holism, got any more in your memory banks?

The only authors worth reading rhyme with Socrates.

>>19574294
lol please, you stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe because you're ESL you think you're doing a good job of hiding it kek

>>19574324
Your attempts to save face are embarrassing to you and this thread.

>>19574324
lol, are you the commie on /his/ who got made fun of for being laughed out of /lit/ and /tg/? Did he get under you skin so much that you just had to come here to prove him wrong?

I love commie salt

>>19574328
>/his/
I don't go near that shitshow

>>19574323
epictetus is more philosophically interesting in the modern era, desu.

>>19574323
Descartes? What else?