/lit/ - Literature

more of this generic *punk trash, getting tired of these OPs

>>19550909
Did you forget something, OP..?

As I see it, there is still /sffg/ thread alive with only 234 posts. Why have you created a new thread already? Hello Moogy, you will never be a woman, and no one will ever read Will's books. Also Reverend Insanity is shit and no one should read it. No one wants your VN shit, no one wants to read your weeb novels. Go suck some chink dick

>>19550939
Look closer, I guarantee the anime girl is somewhere in the picture.

Do NOT google image search Will Wight, worst mistake of my life.

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>19550969
This. When I first saw the 'shilling' I thought I wouldn't want to read Bakker, but later when it went on and people had so much heated discussion about his books I decided to give the meme a try. Lo and behold, his books were actually really really good, and since reading them it has been hard to find any fantasy that is better than that.

>>19550944
Who is moogy? Is OP really a tranny? Has it finally been proved?

>>19550997
>>/lit/thread/S19533186#p19541490

>>19550987
Imagine being a normal, respectable Inrithi caste-noble, living your life, praying to your God of choice, worshipping your ancestor tablets, and all of a sudden this telepathic blond supergenius comes out of nowhere claiming to be Inri Sejenus incarnate and that you must accept his divine authority and prosecute your neighbors into doing the same, or die. What do?

>>19551005
Take the Whelming and slay all the Orthodox.

>'Ate Cradle
>'Ate Reverend Insanity
>'Ate Xianxia
>'Ate chinkshit
>'Ate wuxia
>'Ate self-publishing
>'Ate webnovels
>'Ate litRPG
>'Ate anime
>'Ate manga
>'Ate progression fantasy
>'Ate Sanderson
>'Ate Moogy
>'Ate trannies
>'Ate the OP

Simple as

>>19551022
based. i just bought botns finally.

whats the most violent scifi book you've read?

>>19551040
Based. I say its better to read the classics and older words first before moving to the character driven slosh of the contemporary fantasy/scifi.

>>19551046
>Witcher
>Prince of Nothing
>Black Company
>Conan
I can't say I read very violent books by default, these are just the "most violent" ones.

>>19551022
Wolf and Wight are going to have a teamup, just you wait.

>>19551158
Wolfe is dead. Will is just a degenerate writing English xianxia.
See >>19550944

>>19551168
A teamup beyond the grave...

>>19551170
Imagine reading self-published slush.
>Write a book
>No publisher is going to take it
>I am strong independent self-publisher

>>19551175
Uh oh we got too cocky

>>19551158
>Wolf

Everyone who posted in this thread leave this board please, maybe then we will have another good /sffg/

>>19551272
t. OP who didn’t like how ‘her’ thread turned out.

>>19551022
Just finished Shadow of the Torturer. I am convinced that I am too retarded to comprehend Gene Wolfe's writing and understand what is going on.

>>19551325
Cool beans. When are you planning to read the remaining three quarters of this novel you haven't finished?

>>19551325
Read on friend, it’ll all make sense soon.

>>19551339
Right now

>>19551375
Absolutely based. I am starting my fifth Dune novel.

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19550909
Any cool shit like Tolkien that is steeped in mythology, literature, and/or folklore? +100 points if it's Scandinavian or Germanic.

>>19551434
This triggers the we(e)b-novelist.

>>19550909
My whims changed and now for a few days I'll be reading random works published in 2021 that are mostly relatively short. Some may arguably not belong here, especially the one I'm about to post, but I don't mind. Maybe it'll be somewhat interesting anyway.

>>19550909
Several People Are Typing - Calvin Kasulke (2021)
This is a ~28k word novella told entirely in Slack messages. No, it wasn't self-published. I've never used Slack but I've been on Discord so I understood the concept. I would say that the Slack server, or even the reader, is the viewpoint character, but it doesn't go that meta. The book is really more of an ensemble. A few characters have a lot more going on than the others though.

Gerald's soul has been inconveniently and mysteriously uploaded into their Slack server. His body is alive though inert. No one is willing to believe him though. You may think that would be the thrust of the plot, but you'd be wrong. The majority was antics of his colleagues at their PR firm. They have problems of their own. There's quite a mixture of mundane office talk and the surreal.

The book says it's The Office, but really it's more like Black Mirror (SF)+Corporate (Satire)+Twilight Zone (Surrealism). Existential horror features in a very prominent role, but it's all played for laughs. About 40% of the way through I wondered both why and what I was reading, but since it's such a quick read due to its word count and formatting, I thought I may as well finish.

This sort of novelty is fine for a one-off short read, but I don't know if I'd read something else like it again. I may be somewhat outside of the intended audience though. Overall I'm neutral on it leaning towards dislike if only because surely much more could've been done with the idea. This may have gone over better as an indie game rather than as a chat log, for me at least.
Rating: 2.5/5

>>19552034
Didn't ask.

>>19552037
man when that message popped up you knew you had kicked the wasp nest. nowadays I don't see it much since my discord time is spent on a much smaller friend server but it makes me weirdly nostalgic. there's still a lot of novelty in this format for stories but the idea of using it for this kind of thing seems kind of corny and I got my fill of it with homestuck. i'd need something a lot more interesting to hook me.

>>19551451
Memory, Sorrow and Thorne

>>19551022
Dinochads

>>19551040
Based
Read Peace next

>>19551325
Best to enjoy BotNS as a series of science-fantasy vignettes and appreciate the scifi story that comes together towards the end or on a reread
IMO you should reread the first 4 books on their own before you read Urth, since knowing what happens there might take some of the fun out of figuring out the main story yourself, but that's up to you

What are you guys currently reading? I’m reading I Am Legend by Richard Matheson. After that, I’ll be reading Embassytown.

>>19552037
>The book says it's The Office, but really it's more like Black Mirror (SF)+Corporate (Satire)+Twilight Zone (Surrealism). Existential horror features in a very prominent role, but it's all played for laughs. About 40% of the way through I wondered both why and what I was reading, but since it's such a quick read due to its word count and formatting, I thought I may as well finish.
I’m going to be a bit honest here and say that the concept of the story seems extremely interesting. A shame the author Kasulke seems to have botched the story. I feel in another author’s hand, the story could have reached its full potential.

>>19552074
It isn't much that much different here for those anons who want as many (you)s as possible. I agree there's novelty. There's a lot similar forms I've seen to this as well. I've never been involved with Homestuck, so I wouldn't know. I tend to give ideas that interest me more of a chance than I ought to.

>>19552412
I didn't care much for I Am Legend in book or movie form. Some of his short fiction is enjoyable though.

SPAT's overall reception is considerably more positive than my assessment. As I typed the humor wasn't really relatable to me. For those whom it would be, they may be able to appreciate it far more. There's a preview available on Goodreads and other sites, so you could read a bit and see what you think about it.

>>19551004
>>19550944
I'm only going to say this once, because I know it has basically zero chance of actually convincing you, but I know Moogy IRL and he has had 4chan blocked in his host file for over like 3 years or something. He hasn't posted or looked at a single 4chan post in years, that wasn't like screencapped somewhere. It genuinely surprises me to see this kind of schizposting about him in /lit/ of all places. Anyway, that's all. You may now accuse me of being moogy.

>>19552495
You’ll have to provide evidence lest we start calling you Moody.

>>19552495
Shut up nigger tranny OP moogy. No one likes your weebnovels. go fuck yourself

>>19552495
>he has had 4chan blocked in his host file
Exactly the behavior of a normal person who definitely doesn't "just check in" on their phone all day anyways

>>19551325
I can't tell if he lets up on the obscurant lexicon or you just grow more accustomed to it from there, but it gets easier. I found 5HC more difficult.

>>19552450
>I didn't care much for I Am Legend in book or movie form
A shame. I’m enjoying I am legend, and wish there were more books with similar concepts. Something about a post-apocalyptic survival always grabs my attention. I feel like it’s an underutilized setting by writers.

>>19552450
>There's a preview available on Goodreads and other sites, so you could read a bit and see what you think about it.
Perhaps I will and see for myself. Again, your reviews for these type of books are great since otherwise, I wouldn’t learn about them.

Should I start VALIS? I'm at a rare interval between books and I'm not sure where to go from here. I also have a copy of Revelation Space sitting on my shelf

>>19552736
The main problem for me was that it didn't do nearly enough with the subversion of its title from what I remember. 3/5. That's more of an estimate because it was before I was actively adding stuff to GR let alone writing stuff. I probably would have enjoyed it more if the perspective was...different.

>>19552037
>This is a ~28k word novella told entirely in Slack messages.

Football 17776

https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football/chapter-1

>>19551451
Have you heard of Tolkien?

This is a severely underrated piece of tech. Fuck tokens

>>19553007
based, fuck tokens

>>19552764
VALIS is probably one of PKDs best but it's a head trip and weird and gnostic so you should expect that and/or at least be interested in it. I personally love it. Revelation Space is also very good but a completely different vibe: dark, technical, grand-scale sci-fi.

friendly reminder that once everyone is done with their Baker re-read and wants to dip back into sci-fi, read the free online novella The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect. From wiki: "It deals with the ramifications of a powerful, superintelligent supercomputer that discovers god-like powers to alter reality while studying a quirk of quantum physics discovered during the prototyping of its own specialized processors, ultimately heralding a technological singularity."

>>19553095
It's just Culture fanfiction, but somehow more poorly written.

Do not fall for false flags like >>19553095

>>19552764
>Should I start VALIS?
Yes, it’s extremely good and I always reread it every few months.

>>19552412
>What are you guys currently reading?
I've just started reading Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds and I have to say, the novel has an interesting journey that's booming with scientific and social concepts. After I'm done reading that, I'll most likely start reading Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It's been on my backlog for a while now.

>when you're caught up on your webnovels and have to read real books again
Pain

>>19553523
What real book you reading?

>>19551434
every /sffg/ you post the same thing, dont you feel demoralized by so much shilling ?

>>19553594
cradle, but I'm running out. real book might be an overstatement

>>19551325
finishing the fourth book now. it's a pretty decent story, def worth reading on. I hate agia and I don't see the point of her reoccurrences but maybe that'll make sense towards the end..
not sure what to read afterwards though, is rothfuss worth it?

>>19550961
he looks exactly how I expected him to

>>19551451
tolkien, he wrote Lord of the Rings

>>19551451
Tékumel novels. MAR Barker is basically "what if Tolkien was into roleplaying games?" and he put the same decades long effort into his setting. Same focus on extensive history, constructed languages, but more hodge-podge world.

>The world of Tékumel, a fictional planet around star Nu Ophiuchi (a.k.a. Sinistra), was first settled by humans exploring the galaxy about 60,000 years in the future, along with several other alien species. Their extensive terraforming of the inhospitable environment, including changing the planet's orbit and rotation rate to create a 365-day year, disrupted local ecologies and banished most of the local flora and fauna (including some intelligent species) to small reservations in the corners of their own world, resulting in a golden age of technology and prosperity for Mankind and its allies. Tékumel became a resort world, where the wealthy from a thousand other stars could while away their time next to its warm seas.

It's funny because these days what few people know about it remember it for the roleplaying game based on it.

>>19553625
Does it trouble you?

>>19552412
>What are you guys currently reading?
down to a sunless sea. there's such a thing as gradual plot escalation and then there's plot mount everest where in 10-20 pages you cannot stop reading out of sheer tension from what's happening.

>>19553812
That shit sounds interesting why hasn’t /sffg/ talked about MAR Barker more often?

>>19553892
too many brainlets

>>19551434
>>19553831
Based.

Simple as.

Great Sci-Fi book, a fresh take on dystopia

Is Bakker actually good or is this some inside /lit/ joke?

I need something to read soon as I'm almost done with Master and Commander series.

>>19554009
there's no epub download for it, sadly

>He hasn't read Bakker.

>>19554031
You should read Roger Joseph Zelazny.

>>19554031
You shouldn't read Roger Joseph Zelazny.

>>19554031
Bakker is unironically the best fantasy writer of our generation. Read him yourself if you don't believe me.

>>19554044
Dubs of truth. >>19554031 read Zelazny and I recommend you start with Lord of Light and
Eye of Cat

>>19554031
You will never fit in and understand what's going on here until you've read Bakker. Ignore the false flags.

>>19554069
>>19554040
>>19554091
Thank you. I guess I have no choice then. I will start with the Darkness that comes before, I assume?

>>19553912
Sad. The greentext makes the Tékumel novels interesting. I’ll be buying them around Christmas.

>>19554031
I only read the first book then lost interest partway through #2 but for me

Pros:
-Good prose
-interesting setting

Cons:
-grimdark world where everyone is a child molester, baby killer, rapist, or cuck
-unrelatable characters (for above mentioned reasons) and weirdly focused on prostitution and sexual violence

>>19554189
>Getting filtered this hard.
Many such cases

>>19554189
Aside from the aliens and their creations, there is nothing "grim-dark" about The Second Apocalypse.

>>19554031
Don't fall for >>19554189
The Second Apocalypse has literally the best characters I've ever read in a fantasy setting.

>>19554189
>Female hands typed this.

Why do we keep winning Bakkerchads?

Do you think Moogy is asleep now?

>>19553833
Is it worth getting and reading?

>>19552412
>What are you guys currently reading?
Halo Novels. I've just bought and started reading Halo: Fall of Reach. Was thinking of buying up until the sixth book, Halo: The Cole Protocol. Not going to lie, but the TV show has me a bit excited.

>>19554658
I remember reading Halo: The flood and I couldn’t finish it. The only part I like was the Yayap chapters.

>>19554730
>Halo: The flood
>William C. Dietz
Found your problem. He wrote Mass Effect: Deception and its easily the worst novel from a video game.

>>19552495
>hosts file block
takes 3 seconds to undo, literally nothing

Robert Jordan mentions Perrin’s stupid eyes every single time he is mention ffs

>>19554031
Is Master abs Commander good? I love the movie but who doesn’t

Why haven't you read Worth the Candle yet, /sffg/? It's a rational self-insert litrpg isekai webnovel by Alexander Wales, and it's the best piece of writing I have read in years. At over 1,650,000 words divided into nine books, that's AN ENTIRE FANTASY SERIES worth of free content!

https://archiveofourown.org/works/11478249/chapters/25740126
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/25137/worth-the-candle

>It's a self-insert litRPG portal fantasy, loosely based on my personal experience of falling into a portal to another world and discovering that I had a character sheet attached to my soul. This story uses some custom CSS for the character sheet and definition tags to allow mouseover on various game terms, so mobile and touchscreen users, you're missing out.
>Update schedule is, as always, whenever I feel like it. Special thanks to the people of /r/rational for helping me think about ideas.

The setup is that Juniper "Joon" Smith, an ordinary suicidal rationalist teenager who has been on a self-destructive downwards spiral ever since the tragic death of his best friend Arthur, suddenly finds himself transported from English class to the magical land of Aerb and given RPG abilities along with a quest system and achievements. Specifically, he finds himself dropped into the Risen Lands, an abandoned hellzone filled with undead used by the government as a trail by ordeal. There, he meets the most beautiful woman in the world, Princess Amaryllis Penndraig, who has been falsely accused of a crime by her power-hungry family in a bid to claim her substantial assets. Now, the two of them must team up to escape the Risen Lands alive while unraveling the hints that Amaryllis's great ancestor, Uther Penndraig, may be someone Juniper knew in his past life.

And that's just the tutorial!

>>19555483
Why do you keep posting this?

>>19555483

What really sets this story apart is the intelligence of the characters, the plot or the setting.

There are no idiot balls, failures to communicate, or any other form of artificial conflict; Joon and Mary act exactly the way you would expect smart, rational, mature adults who are trying to survive and achieve their goals to act. Their every move, from which quest to tackle next to how to optimize Juniper's build to whether to trust this or that stranger is discussed and analyzed in excruciating detail as the life-or-death choices they are. Personal and romantic issues are brought into the open and worked-on rather than allowed to fester for umpteenth installments as they would be in a typical anime. Juniper is incredibly well-read and a veteran Dungeon Master with a ton of experience in worldbuilding, while Amaryllis is a workaholic with a gift for diplomacy and management. Both of their skillsets get a lot of use in the story.

Aerb is an extremely detailed and coherent setting. Everything from the mechanics of travel on a hexagonal grid to the logistics of bulk-teleportation to the economics of magic items has been accounted for and integrated into the story. More than once, these details turn out to be the key to solving this or that puzzle.

The plot is hard to explain without spoiling anything, but rest assured that there IS a rational explanation for everything, up to an including why a random Kansas teenager was transported to a fantasy realm and gifted with magical powers.

Overall, if you are the kind of person who likes Greg Egan or (early) Larry Niven, you will not be disappointed with this story.

>>19550909
I love this pic.

>>19555483
>>19555490

Here's a good Goodreads review:

>A slow, slow grind; as I write this, the author is closing in on chapter 150, and we may not be even halfway through the plot. Still, I've seen enough to justify five stars.
>The prose is strong throughout, and the characters feel like people, but the book's real strengths are:
>* A world where people take extinction-level threats very seriously. Perhaps the best example I've ever seen of this essential characteristic of rationalfic. A world where the laws of physics can be broken is a world where many new forms of disaster become possible, and in Worth the Candle, many of those have happened already. Nations have been subsumed by dark magic, or beings too powerful to fight, or cracks in reality so dangerous they need to be kept apart from the rest of the world. And those parts of the world that have survived now devote enormous effort to preventing this from happening ever again. This is extremely satisfying to read about.
>* Extraordinary worldbuilding. The story takes place in a fantasy world which is (I think) larger and more populous than Earth, with hundreds of years of history, and it feels that way. There are dozens of races; a score of schools of magic; countless competing powers, all planning and plotting at the same time. Juniper, for all his gamebreaking abilities, is far from the strongest force in the story. Despite his achievements, he is still a single piece on a gigantic chessboard, and you really feel as though he could be crushed at any moment. This is what it is to be an individual in a world of billions, to be the hero of one story in a world with a million stories.
>* A character who becomes more intelligent and charismatic over time, chapter by chapter, and whose behavior and thoughts match this transformation. The author convincingly portrays what it might look like to go from INT 12 to INT 18, one point at a time, and I'm not sure I've ever seen that before. Too many stories show someone growing stronger with no change in personality, or a change that can be described as briefly as "more courage" or "more empathy". Juniper grows stronger in many ways, and his personality also shifts in many ways.
>Worth the Candle is the absolute pinnacle of the "getting stuck in an RPG" genre. If you've ever rolled a 20-sided die, you owe it to yourself to read the first few chapters.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/36146179-worth-the-candle

>>19554009
Is this the Black Seed I've heard so much about?

>>19555483
sounds gay

>>19555383
sadly a pointless interquel

>>19554189
>I only read the first book then lost interest partway through #2 but for me
Same I am struggling to get into Warrior-Prophet which is supposedly the best one lol. I also agree with your cons. The world isn't that fucked up lol

I want to try out some of Michael Moorcock's works. Is this is one of his good ones?

>>19555383
Is it good?

Cradle bros, we won

>>19556177
>Haha I'll spend my free time on Reddit looking for terrible Cradle memes that will show those Cradle fans

>>19556194
hahaa cradle is so fun

>>19556202
>Cradle is fun
Yes.

>>19556407
>>19556202
>>19556194
>>19556177
See >>19550944

>>19551451

Off the wall but try The Heliand, its a Germanic alliterative poetic saga retelling of the Christian Gospel that takes all the events and lore of Christianity and represents Jesus as this all-conquering warrior who has loyal thanes and is here to fight the Evil One.

"The Wrong-Doer soon grew aware of this, the greatest of scoundrels,
Satan himself, when the soul of Judas
Came down to the ground of grim, hot hell.
Then most verily he knew that it was All-Wielding Christ,
The Bairn of the Lord, who stood there bound"

>>19555387
The first two books haven't really found the tone of the series, but they do have good moments. From then it's very strong up until the last few.

Bakker.

Daily reminder that Moogy OP is literally using a VPN to create multiple posts in order to make it look like the thread is alive and has people discussing it.

>>19555064
>Mass Effect: Deception

It's criminal that a game like Mass Effect has zero decent books attached to it. Just give the Eisenhorn guy some money to write a "Detective Garrus" trilogy or anything not about Cerberus.

>>19556787
Especially when the thread is <20 posts away from bump limit so he can make a new thread exactly the second bump limit is reached.

Look out for posts like:
>Any fantasy book with X in it?
Followed immediately by several posts giving never-heard-of recommendations.

>>19556929
>>19556787
If you really want to fuck with him. Make a new thread at 305-309 mark and he will literally shake with anger with a reply berating you of making a new thread 1 post too early.

>>19556956
>>19556929
LMAO

>>19554658
honestly speaking, the only good Halo books are the ones written by Eric Nylund and Joe Staten. The rest are pretty bad, especially the post-Bungie era ones

Looking for some Gene Wolfe recommendations outside the Solar Cycle-what other works do you guys like of his?

>>19556993
The Knight
>>19556958
Lmao indeed

>>19552495
>I happen to know this random internet autist irl and I also happen to know that he consequently has 4chan blocked in his host file so he couldn't be posting here
sure buddy....

What the fuck is host file even?

>>19557175
Something you don’t have to worry about because you are not avoiding bans for your immense shitposting across boards and threads.

One more week bros!

I Believer King

>>19555064
>Mass Effect: Deception
A worthy adversary. However, the true answer is: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/291738.Baldur_s_Gate_II
There could be something even lower rated though.

>>19554197
>can't actually read
Far too many cases, unfortunately.

>>19554197
This.

>>19550909
Hard Reboot - Django Wexler (2021)
A moderately fun and simple novella. It begins and ends with a mecha battle as shown by the cover, which depicts the first one. The mecha anime inspiration came through very clearly to me, rather than similar western works, such as Real Steel. However, if that's your sole reason for reading this, then you may be disappointed, because they aren't the primary focus of the story. The majority of the time is spent with the protagonist coming to appreciate Earth, its people, a certain woman, and repairing an ancient mecha.

The protagonist does whatever she can to join the research trip to Old Earth, which is a truly disreputable backwater planet. At first she feels like she's completely slummming it by being there, but then realizes that she needs to check her offworlder privilege. I've tried reading other works by this author but none of them interested me enough to finish any of them, so this is the first work of his that I have. From what I understand, all his stories are basically required to feature a f/f romance, so this does as well. Their romance doesn't progress beyond being sexually suggestive on page, so the sex scene remains entirely implied.
Rating: 3.5/5

>>19553510
Yeah, they're great. Actually thought the stand alone tie ins, The Prefect and Chasm City, were better. Pushing Ice kind of dragged though.

>>19557586
Not my problem.

>>19553510
My problem with this is that author created interesting setting, but instead of developing various aspects on it created big ancient evil awakens plot that takes way too much space and generally feels out of place in more grounded sci fi.

so did any of you cunts donate to cucktrick rothfuss charity? apparently the fat fuck scammed his fans a couple of days ago. promised them he would release a new chapter of the third book if they donated and reached a certain goal. rothfuss got salty when his fans delivered and now refuses to uphold his promise.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/rd67ki/an_open_letter_to_patrick_rothfuss/

>>19558182
CLASSIC

on a slightly more serious note, do you think he's like George Martin where he's in rewrite hell or just plainly not motivated anymore?

>>19558197
Rothfuss is an obnoxious dumbass, Martin has a different issue altogether. The Show ruined his will to write.

>>19554658
It's a shame Bungie had an antagonism with the novels, it's kind of hard to reconcile all the insane shit in there with the games.

I hear space battles would be more like submarine warfare than star wars. What books have the most realistic portrayal of them? non-fiction sources welcome

>>19558197
I think whatever he had planned was far outside his scope. The interpretations on here and elsewhere back when the second book came out were deeper than anything he has personally voiced since. Reading about things he is incapable of conceiving did a number on him.

Is it a brilliant metafictional shitpost, or mere shit?

>>19558182
>Last edit: Pat addressed the situation. All seems well know! :)

>>19558197
As someone who read the first two books he wrote, there is no way he can fit all the shit he promised/built up to in the third book. At least not without an asspull of some kind.

That combined with being a pussy probably made him depressed or something.

>>19558197
honestly i have no idea. i didn't even bother with book 2. even his own publisher is fed up with his shit. take a look at what she said:

>Book publishing is not as lucrative as many other professions, and publishers rely on their strongest sellers to keep their companies (especially small companies like DAW [Books]) afloat.
>When authors don’t produce, it basically f***s their publishers.
>And I don’t get the “blame the editor” part at all. Don’t you think we editors want to publish the books we buy? That is just nuts. When I delayed the publication of book two, Pat was very open with his fans–they knew what was happening.
>I’ve never seen a word of book three. I don’t think he’s written anything for six years.

https://winteriscoming.net/2020/07/28/patrick-rothfuss-editor-never-seen-word-the-doors-of-stone/CGR

>>19558182
Are his books any good? I dropped Name of the Wind around the time the mc got to not-hogwarts because he was an insufferable mary-sue.

>>19558415
The author is your typical city dwelling bugman who is unironically a male feminist and anti-trump, do you think he would be able to write anything remotely interesting?

>>19558415
Until ambiguities are cleared up, he may just be an insufferable bullshitter compensating for being a backalley fuckpuppet street urchin.

>>19558182
>so did any of you cunts donate to cucktrick rothfuss charity? apparently the fat fuck scammed his fans a couple of days ago. promised them he would release a new chapter of the third book if they donated and reached a certain goal. rothfuss got salty when his fans delivered and now refuses to uphold his promise.
OH NO NO NO NO NO
Rothfussbros....

>>19558415
it gets much worse

>>19558437
Nothing in the story seemed to indicate he was lying though. Everything up to the magic school reinforces Kvothe as literally the handsomest, smartest human being on earth who's so good at the lute that all females in the vicinity spontaneously orgasm when he plays. Oh and he respects sex workers.

>>19558437
it doesn't even really matter if he's bullshitting or not because you're still forced to read through his pov

oy scotty ya hoser where's de freakin update dere bud?

>>19558553
>>19558547
He's an unreliable narrator telling a story in a story about the nature of stories. The girls probably aren't even all that hot.

>>19558636
doesn't matter if it happened or not because you're still reading two books worth of wish fulfillment tripe

>>19558636
The problem for me though was how dry it all was. No personality or interesting dialogue or wit or anything, like reading appliance instructions.

>>19551451
The Gods of Pegana, it's one of the works that inspired Tolkien. it's fantastic in its own right in my opinion

>>19554658
i've said this a couple of threads ago: the 3 books written by Eric Nylund is good, everything else is garbage. specially, The Flood is absolute garbage, felt like it was written in a week

i think there are also more recent books set in the forerunner era, i haven't read those though

Friendly reminder.

>>19556993
Peace is Wolfe's best/deepest novel. It's also harder to read than anything else he's written, but there's a lot more to appreciate there, too. I think there's probably more complexity to Peace than there is to the entirety of BotNS.

>>19555483
>Why haven't you read...
>a self-insert litRPG portal fantasy
Hmm

>>19555483
I will never read this. Thank you for letting me know though.

>>19557633
>Earth as a shitty backwater planet
cool
>anime inspired mecha also lesbians

>>19558918
There will be many more deaths by cringe for you then, alas.

>>19558958
It's okay, I'm resurrected from based

All Is Ephemeral

>>19559623
Like this desperate attempt to bump your dying thread, yes.

>>19558415
MTL cultivation stories are better

>>19558764
>The Flood is absolute garbage,
The Flood novel is just Halo Combat Evolved in Novel form, and while I know that's not any different than other video game novels ever written, The Flood novel was the worst one since it stuck so closely to the game whereas others, like Resident Evil novels managed to make it interesting.

>>19556881
>Eisenhorn guy some money to write a "Detective Garrus" trilogy
Sounds kino, shame Mass effect is dead as fuck as a franchise due to mishandling.

>>19556971
>honestly speaking, the only good Halo books are the ones written by Eric Nylund and Joe Staten
I'm looking forward in reading Halo: First Strike and Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. Since reading Fall of Reach has been fun. Though I am hoping to read more about the Spartan-III since I hear they got extremely shafted and were often overlooked.

>>19558415
I should have probably stopped there too. The school shit mostly sucked ass. Story became extremely meandering and uninteresting. And then there's the sudden largely unrelated dragon, salamander or whatever fight that has no real build up or real relevance to anything that just seems like the author realized he needed to just stop the book at that point.

>>19552412
>What are you guys currently reading?
Currrently reading Idoru. Been a while since I've actually been invested in a book this way. Afterwards I'm going to read Guards! Guards! to see if I can reformat my brain to allow me to enjoy One Piece, as I gave it a try but was on the wrong mindset, and I figured some quality absurdism might put me in the right mood

>>19558429
He sounds pretty based. You sound jealous and lacking in character.

>>19552412
I am halfway through Children of Dune. it's fine, but man the light at the end of the tunnel truly is God Emperor.

To whomever recommended me Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser thank you very much, I finished the first book in a week and I am enjoying the second one thoroughly (even tho i'm reading a lot more slowly to pay attention to each story). Top tier sword and sorcery, I'm actually enjoying this more than Conan and that is saying something. I will definitly read the other books form the author once I'm finished with this.

>>19552412

I'm reading Dragonlance. I can't believe I avoided this epic fantasy kino for over a decade because of screeching /tg/ troons with an agenda.

>>19559921
Are you going to read more than War of the Lance and War of the Twins though?

>>19559921
Is it really good? Epic fantasy is usually a chore to read so unless the books are top tier they aren't worth the hassle.

>>19559947
Yes absolutely, I already ordered Huma, Kaz, Flint the King and Land of the Minotaurs, however I think I'm gonna call it quits with the War of Souls and the Chaos War shit because I don't like the sound of any of that, killing the OG crew like chumps to introduce new characters pisses me off. It just pisses me off that I spent so many years refusing to even read any of the series because I was mislead by /tg/, already a shit board in most regards but completely disingenuous in how they portray the original novels at least.

>>19560003
>side-stories
>not more mainline trilogies that progress the universe
I sleep.

>>19559839
My nigga. Lieber is super based.

>>19560044
Why does it look like she is bouncing on dick?

>>19560068
Yeah, it does look like that.
Anyway you have a favorite Fafhrd and Gray Mouser story? For me, it's The Seven Black Priests.

>>19558250
"Through Struggle, the Stars" by John Lumpkin I guess

>>19558653
>>19558666
I hear your points and consider it no worse than the average fantasy, except it was posed to rend the throat of it. Fuck, I may do so inside 200 odd pages with proper encouragement and prep.

Bakkerbros, is Neuropath any good?

>>19560146
Haven't finished it yet as I said, far from it, but so far The Howling Tower is my favorite. The perfect amount of mystery and suspense to keep you engaged trough out while being quintessentially an adventure at it's core.

>>19560212
In fact, what separates the good from the bad in your minds and how do you jump down the throat and shit deep within every fantasy author doing the thing?

>>19551210
no greater endorsement than soccermoms on goodreads not liking them

>>19560214
the themes are interesting but the writing isn't his greatest. desu bakker only really shines as a fantasist

>>19557633
Sounds like something I would read and enjoy, except the whole check her offworlder privilege.


>From what I understand, all his stories are basically required to feature a f/f romance, so this does as well.
But why?

>>19560316
>why?
Welcome to the west.

>>19557633
His flintlock fantasy series had a great first book then complete shitter of a second

>>19556202
Damn, I definitely didn't expect seeing one of these coupons on /lit/ of all places

>>19560255
>Bug was chosen for myriad qualities. His personal quarrels were with those all but his meister failed to mention to his face. His meister admired more than the common eye could see. His time there haunted him less so.
I think I found the beginnings of the hook.

>>19556597
see >>19556407

how bad is this prologue reading going to be?

>>19560516
So bad I'm learning old english to write a a book about pederasty.

>>19560316
Why? I guess he just really likes writing about lesbians.

Any fantasy books with a close feeling/tone as Vagrant Story?

Fuck strict magic systems

>>19559649
Christ that is retarded. How is that a win? They're the ones fucking her.

I remember the mc's dad told him that whores had the hardest jobs so they - read we -should respect them, is that what this is? Is the love interest a prostitute?

Fuck moogy
Fuck anime
Fuck shiters

>>19560911
what's wrong with Quark's mom?

>>19555483
>tag is self insert
fuck off. if i wanted self insert garbage i would've read it bakker.

I read the first bakker book early this year. Now I'm about to start the second. There was a lot going on in the plot and I'm not going to remember all of it. How do you guys deal with this when reading series? I never want to read them back to back because it gets stale. Then I read a few books in-between and forget the first book....

>>19555373
Repetition is Jordan's worst vice to be sure, but his mention of Perrin's golden eyes is just about the least of his crimes. I can live with all the braids tugged, all the straightened skirts, all the indignant sniffs, or all the grins splitting faces in half. But what really annoys me is the constant ranting about the opposite sex from nearly all characters no matter their role in the story or station in life. Like, fine, I get it, male-female dualism is one of the most central themes here. But the way it plays out - some variation of "Light! Men are all wool-headed fools!" or "Burn me, women are all crazy, I'll never understand them!" uttered nearly every chapter - gets tiresome fast. Really makes you long for any characters who bring a different attitude to the table for once.

Which is incidentally why Moiraine was among my favorites, because she's so singlemindedly dedicated to assisting the Dragon Reborn win the final battle, she never makes any comments how he's just a wool-headed mule like all men are or anything to that effect. All right, not quite, I think she loses her temper once, but you immediately know it's out of character for her and shows her inner turmoil when she stoops to that level of bickering.

>>19560214
Significantly worse prose, significantly tighter delivery. It is in many ways better than SA because it is just a solid horror show of the conclusions of eliminativism and epiphenomenalism wrapped up in a fast paced thriller, but it also reads like your average big selling fast paced thriller.

This isn't totally a bad thing. It's a good delivery method.

It's nice to see he has stylistic range though since maybe he will put out different stuff when SA is done.

>>19561423
It has recaps at the start of each book called "What Came Before."

Actually, Bakker exposition dumps a major plot twist history thing in the afterward of the second book and forward of the third book (explains what the Consult actually is and how it came to be), and then this stuff, while cool, mostly goes ignored until the second series, where it becomes a focus.

What I did notice rereading just the first half of the first book after finishing all seven is how much of the dense lore and references make sense on a second go around. You recognize history and characters you're not supposed to understand at that point in a first read. It's neat.

gonna read a scanner darkly. accidentally high right now. like valis a lot.

>>19561611
> accidentally high right now
If you're having a nice trip, nice.
If you're having a bad trip, I'M IN YOUR WALLS I'M IN YOUR WALLS I'M IN YOUR WALLS I'M IN YOUR WALLS I'M IN YOUR WALLS I'M IN YOUR WALLS

>>19561611
>Accidentally
You accidentally ingested a substance? Seems doubtful.
>a scanner darkly
Have fun. Watch the movie after it's well executed and true to the story.

>>19561446
Not gonna lie anon I was about to post the scene where Moiraine loses her temple as a "gotcha" move but then you mentioned it yourself. Nice going, you saved your bacon. It's when he's refusing to leave Tear or do anything by the way.

>>19560606
>write book with no rules on magic system
>add rules in editing
>plot goes all the places i want
>magic still feels as meaningful as i want
The webnovel cucks in /wg/ will never know this feel or the pain of working through agents holy fuck the fantasy genre sucks to write for

>>19562142
If I have a completed manuscript, where should I start querying? How do you format cover letters or choose the agents to approach? It doesn't help that I have no social media presence whatsoever

>Worrying about publishing
>Meanwhile Will Wight self-publishes #1 selling book after book
Sad!

>>19562203

Option 1: Go indie. It's the year of our Lord 2021; there is nothing that a traditional publishers adds at this point.

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2012/10/28/so-you-want-to-go-indie/
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/06/06/the-economics-of-indie-publishing-chris-nuttall/
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/01/23/were-already-that-which-passes/

Option 2: If you MUST go through a publishing house, try Baen. They actually read their slushpile; no agent necessary.

https://www.baen.com/submit

>>19562563
Dont listen to him. If you indie your chances of actually making money are damn slim. It’s a hoax. If your book is good and money can be made selling it a traditional publisher will take it. If it’s a shitty book chances are it’s shit and people won’t read it either way. I suggest you go check your Alexa Donne’s channel in YouTube, she has a lot of helpful tips for getting an agent and getting your book published.

>>19562563
So wait, you expect this guy not to work just as an writer but also as an editor, marketer, proof-reader, distributor, seller etc instead of just being a writer? You do this guy no service telling him to go inside. The world now a days is full of self publishing authors who sell less than 100 copies of their books which is basically wasting everybody’s time.

Then, you give one link to a publisher who isn’t even that good or well known? Tell me one really good selling author / book of Baen.

>>19562563
Note: Baen is the basically the only SF publisher of note that will publish conservative SF.

>>19562623
>no authors of note in their listing
into the trash it goes

>>19562623
By which I mean, it probably MUST be conservative at this point.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/baen-books-forum-47582408
https://ericflint.net/information/controversy-about-baens-bar/

and much else.
Toni Weisskopf has been rather controversial since she took over at Baen.

>>19562563
>Baen
>takes 9-12 months to reply to a submission

When did Tor go from based to cringe?

>>19562203
http://www.sfwa.org/real/

>>19562641
https://dorisvsutherland.com/2021/04/06/baens-bar-the-utterly-incompetent-case-for-the-defence/

>>19562686
When they realized they could make a lot more profit by doing so. That's why they've remained by far the largest publisher of SF and why they will continue to be.

>>19562705
Such is the power of the free market.

>>19562700
Their profile image looks like a tranny. Is this a tranny?

>>19562705
Sadly we'll never get a true controlled study for this kinda stuff.
>We released the same book twice with a different name, this one is normal and this one has trannies. This one performed better in sales.

Fall of Hyperion is going full retarded with the UI plot twist.

Why is the beginning of this book 400 pages? I could sum up the first 400 pages of this book in a paragraph. Terry Goodkind uses the first 400 pages to find an excuse for the main character to be tortured by women again. Maybe the next 600 will be great but so far I'm not impressed.

I have read about 150 fantasy novels
LOTR is not one of them nor do I intend to ever read it

>>19562863
You are reading Terry Goodking, it is your own fault. He can't write short and he can't write anything without making it the fantasy equivalent of Atlas Shrugged.

>>19562874
Hopefully you also don't read anything written by blacks and/or women.

>>19562563
Takes two years minimum for Baen to read unagented slush. 99% chance of a form rejection. It's basically just two people (Gray and Weisskopf) who handle all the slush.

Do people just not grasp how dire traditional publishing is? I still feel like there's this weird denial about it on /lit/.

Yes, indie pubbing is an option, but you're basically fucked unless your output is Dean Wesley Smith tier (he wrote 70 novels this year). Only people who spam the algorithm have a chance. Such people have massive ad budgets and push their garbage *hard*. Which means it's all but impossible to build an indie career centered on works of enduring aesthetic value. Such things are just not possible to build a career around in this era. You were born in the wrong decade if that's what you seek.

>>19562659
Closer to 2-3 years actually.

>>19562875
Wizards First Rule was pretty entertaining, just kinda boring in the middle. With this second book it's like Goodkind's success went to his head and he thinks he's writing the most important book of all time.

I just started reading some sci-fi books and holy fuck is this shit blackpilling me on "true love".
As an example, I just finished reading Pandora's Star and there was exactly 1 stable couple mentioned, but even here, the probably > 100 year old wife fucked around a lot and then settled with her current 20 year-old husband on a whim instead of going to the standard free-for-all fuck world after her latest anti-aging treatment. Literally every single other woman just got some stem cell treatment when they started getting old and either just constantly fucked around or married, cheated when they felt like it, and then divorced.
I'm not expecting some true love fantasy here (though at this point, I'd probably take that), but I'm completely convinced that if we do get anti-aging stuff, what little small chance of "love" existed will probably disappear.

I was not prepared for these kind of feels, fuck. Is there any chance of getting unblackpilled?
Have a webm of a fish thing growing.

>>19562977
recursion by blake crouch has a true love aspect to it.

>>19562977
Witcher

>>19562977
Throughout history an unhealthy amount of writers have crammed their cuck fetish into any and everything they've written. I think there might have been a push by publishers at some point to force it, and now it's a self- propagating meme that fiction just has to have cuckoldry in it.

>>19562863
Trash writer, even worse than Jordan.

>>19562879
Actual this is in my top 5.

>>19563441
Who do you recommend? Who is a good writer? You can't recommend Tolken or Bakker.

>>19563484
Frank Herbert
Gene Wolfe
Ursula K. Le Guin
Terry Pratchett

>>19563489
Terry Pratchett wrote childrens books. Ursula K Le Guin wrote about space trannies. Frank Herbert wrote one good book. Gene Wolf can suck my cock.

>>19563495
This comes from a person who reads Terry Goodkind?

>>19563484
Tad Williams
John Gwynne
Gene Wolfe
Adrian Tchaikovsky

>>19563500
This is now a Terry Goodkind respect thread. Respect Terry Goodkind right now damn you!

>>19563514
I almost died of cringe and boredom reading the Wizard's First Rule.

>>19563484
>you can't recommend tolkien or bakker
I wouldn't anyway.

>>19550909
So I'm worldbuilding right now because I find it to be extremely fun and maybe one day I might actually do something with one of the settings, though I doubt it.

without making a blog basically the world consists of different planes and their sub planes which are independent of each other but all connect to a central plane where they all mix. The prime planes, which the central plane is part of, consists of different settings i.e. One of the planes is wuxia based and another one is typical fantasy and connected to those planes are typical trope settings like for fantasy it would be heaven/hell and for wuxia it could be one where demons/demonic beasts come from and another where cultivators ascend to once they become deities.

I'm trying to find as many genres/settings as I can in order to have some diversity yet cohesiveness which means sci-fi is out but a magitek subsetting would work that's connected to the fantasy prime plane or maybe that's just a different continent. Any ideas? So far I got Western Fantasy, Eastern Wuxia, and a Monster Hunter based setting as my 3 main prime planes.

>>19563484
Wolfe.

>>19563526
Absurdly bad. You will never write.

>>19563526
Very good quality bait consisting of Planescape Torment style plane structure of the world which is combined with the genre battle of the /sffg/. I recommend not replying to this bait even tho it is a good one. This reply is an exception.

>>19563519
Did you smile a small smile while reading it?

>>19563537
I cried inside. The characterisation of the main character is horrible.

>>19563526
Just go into mmo development.

>Le Guin

>>19563552
This.

Imagine reading racist writers.

>>19558835
Is this actually real?

>>19563562
Yes, I was there when it was done.

>>19563552
>Not seeing the literary merit of Le Guin, just because her books don't always have a white aryan male protagonist.

>>19563562
No, it's not. You can see it clearly on the title.

>>19563552
Why, yes, I am re-reading Wizard of Earthsea right now. How did you know?

>>19563567
Tranny

>>19563574
It's not hard to tell who is taking hormones on this website.

>>19563536
>he doesn't respond to bait
What else is there to do in this thread. I mean, look at how good the bait is

>>19563578

>>19563569
>>19563562
It is real
A Thread where this was posted >>/lit/thread/S17599147
The poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/r

Why are Bakker chuds so persistent in shitting up the thread?

>>19563583
>>19563578
>>19563574
>>19563552
I am surprised woke people have not crucified Ursula yet like they did JKR.

>>19563590
Ursula is a literal WHO. Also, have you missed >>19563578? Something is clearly Woke in her writing.

>>19563578
>>19563574
REKT

>>19563594
In 1968 she published Wizard of Earthsea that featured a dark skinned protagonist and was also the first popular book to have a "wizarding school" in it.
In 1969 she published Left Hand of Darkness that has androgynous people in, basically both genders in same or only one gender.

>>19563587
the gauls also resisted civilization initially

>>19563574
I bought the book last year and about to start reading it because I heard it's good. What's wrong with it? Genuine question

>>19563603
What do you expect from a woman writer?

>>19563590
Woke people don't actually read Ursula - they hear she's progressive, buy her books and then drop them within the first 20 pages after discovering that it's not Potter Files & The Hunger Witch. When asked about her they just parrot what they themselves heard about it, while claiming that they actually did read it.

Bros, Moogy is unironically seething in another thread right now: >>19555183

>>19563614
That thread is a certified second post best post moment, I don't need to read any more.

>>19563578
So is Sanderson an onionboy or what? I was planning on reading The Way of Kings next.

>>19563511
>Tad Williams
Is Otherland good? I got the first three books from an attic sale and am waiting to get to them.

>>19563619
he strikes me as someone who just doesn't want to get yelled at so he does what he's told

>>19563603
I wouldn't call any of her books "popular". If you just asked random people on the street about Wizard of Earthsea no one is going to know what you're talking about. If you asked random people who Ursula is they would think it's a Little Mermaid character.

>>19563622
So are his books entertaining or are they gay? He sounds like a chicken nugget scoon.

>>19563605
The series' protagonist isn't white, while some people who oppose him (literally vikings, but a large powerful empire) are white.

>>19563603
>basically both genders in same or only one gender.
You missed the part where Gethenians only troon into females or males for reproduction, while for the rest of the time they are booze-sexual "muh grudge muh fights" Warhammer Dwarfs.

Reminder that Moogy is currently active in this thread.

New:

>>19563641

>>19563641

>>19563641


Let's piss off Moogy, shall we?

>>19563641

>>19563641

>>19563641

>>19563631
i've only read the first mistborn trilogy years ago. i'd give it a 5/10. i tried the first stormlight book but it was glacially slow.
i wouldn't recommend him.

who the fuck is Moogy

>>19563649
see >>19550944 and >>19551004

>>19563631
Read the first mistborn trilogy last year or so. It was fine. Nothing extraordinary, but I do see why people praise his magic systems, as their implementation in this series was pretty interesting.

>>19563642
This is the one true thread btw.

>>19563642
>>19563637
>>19563614
Based.

Fuck Moogy.

>>19563620
I havent read that series. Ive read all the others, Shadowmarch is my favourite. Also, the War of the Flowers is a good stand-alone novel.

>>19563590
can't cancel one of the few respectable writers

>>19563649
Literally nobody. First mention of him was this week. I think bakkerposting was running out of steam, so their discord had to come up with something new to try eking out a little longer.

>>19563707
Cope, moogy.

You will literally never, ever own this general.

>>19563707
There is no Discord (that I know, please give a link).
It is literally the person I am replying to. We just gave him (Never going to be a woman) a name. He (Note, not a woman) is a known shitposter in /jp/. His presence is well known for spamming Cradle, Reverend Insanity and rest of the chink shit, he is also the OP of almost every /sffg/.

>>19563641
>>19563641
>>19563641
Migrate.
>>19563641
>>19563641
>>19563641
Ignore Moogy threads.
>>19563641
>>19563641
>>19563641

>>19563730
>a known shitposter in /jp/
You post in /jp//?

>>19563707
Sounds about right.

>>19563741
see >>/lit/thread/S19533186#p19541490

>>19563707
No, not really.

>>19563744
>>19563741
>>19563707
It is time to stop using that VPN.

>>19563727
When you were posting bakker I read genre fic.
>>19563730
When you were sperging out about the OP image I read genre fic.
When you were making the same posts every day for years I read genre fic.
And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate you have the audacity to tell me to cope?

>>19563748
>>19563753
I just find the idea of anyone posting on /jp/, be it the schizo namefag you describe or (you) personally, absolutely abhorrent. I don't want to share a thread with /jp/ posters, you should all return to your fucking containment board with your weebshit and your faggotry.

>>19563773
That is correct and has been our goal all this time, to get Moogy out of these threads so we can enjoy real genre fiction literature without any anime or anime-related stuff. This has always been the goal of the Bakkerchads.

>>19563763
When you were reading genre fiction, I was unironically having sex, building a career and making you seethe on the side.

>>19563641
>>19563641
>>19563641

Last call.

>>19563641
>>19563641
>>19563641

The based boat is leaving.

>>19563784
>having sex, building a career, making (you) seethe
You sound like a loser desu.

>>19563790
>You sound like a loser desu.
I accept your surrender.

>>19563790
Who are (You) quoting?

>>19563707
>First mention of him was this week. I think bakkerposting was running out of steam, so their discord had to come up with something new to try eking out a little longer.
I’m just surprised they just won’t fuck off to their Reddit/discord already. But they seem adamant to kill /sffg/.

>>19563806
/sffg/ is doing just fine. You sound like a drama queen to me.

I wonder how much behind in time one needs to backtrack until a thread is found with no anime girl OP image.

>>19563825
Until drone view.

>>19563829
Wrong, I found the anime girl in the picture. There is ALWAYS at least one.

>>19563806
I quite enjoy /sffg the way it is, thank you.

>>19563837
Full of drama and mentally ill people taking the reigns?

>>19563849
>>19563829
Take notice, Moogy is prone to making posts in threads that have gone past 310 mark.

>>19563849
I see no evidence of that.

>>19563817
>>19563837
you are subhuman niggers, and the only remotely good /sffg/ in weeks was that one where the thread split, and you stained in your cuckshed for 200 posts or so
fuck off, nobody likes your kind, go suck each others dick on reddit

>>19564058
You seem angry and resentful.

>>19564104
Why are you killing /sffg/?

>>19564111
I unironically do not understand your question.
Is everything ok with you?

>>19563869
The new thread has never felt more alive.

>>19564142
Just 10 or so fags posting.

>>19564152
So? Does the number truly impact the value of the ongoing discourse? No one is stopping new anons from posting in the thread.

>>19562846
Wait till you get to the hippies.

>>19564156
>No one is stopping new anons from posting in the thread.
You and I know that’s bullshit.

>>19564170
How am I stopping people from posting in any thread on this website? Are you seriously this delusional?

>>19563806
I'm very happy that you feel this way. You will literally never win, sweetie :)

>>19558764
>>19554658
Absolute truth.
I've read up until Ghosts of Onyx and then never going on, as Halo 4 was out by that point and turned the series into dogshit.
Fall of Reach was absolute kino and better than the game.
The forerunners should have stayed in the past as a sort of mystical backdrop, not examined up close.
I wish Neil Blomkamp had made a movie back in the 00s though. Check out his shorts, they were fucking great.

>>19564221
You excited for the tv show?

>>19564229
Yes, very.
I hope they get good writers, at least.

>>19564417
Don’t see how they can fuck it up given the extensive lore and books the series have

>>19564427

>>19564427
Seriously? 343 managed to fuck it up themselves after H3.
Look at Star wars and how badly they destroyed it until the Mandalorian show came along, as well.

I'm excited but holding my breath until it comes out, maybe that's a more reasonable stance to have.

>>19559699
>The Flood novel is just Halo Combat Evolved in Novel form, and while I know that's not any different than other video game novels ever written, The Flood novel was the worst one since it stuck so closely to the game
that might be part of it, but i'm sure the bigger reason is that the author is a hack. i remember all the action scenes were copies of each other and written with the same dead boring prose, i ended up skipping most of them

>>19564845
>i remember all the action scenes were copies of each other and written with the same dead boring prose, i ended up skipping most of them
The only chapters I like were the Yayap chapters. Didn't really care about the ODST chapters since they all die in the end.

>>19563495
Frank wrote at least 4 good books. I admit 3 are dune books but still I like the first worShip book.

Let it go Moogy. You lost.

>>19564910
Why are you such a schizo?

>Why are you such a schizo?

>>19564904
Harvest Moon or whatever it was called was pretty decent. Not spectacularly written, but competent enough.

>>19564925
>>19564904
Nvm, I thought you mean the Halo books.

>>19564923
I would imagine moogy to look like that, ngl.

>>19564933
Contact Harvest is the best halo book.