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You mean italian fascism? True fascism? Or are you just another underage /pol/ fag mad at niggers?

>>19546368
Depends on how deep you want to go. You could just read manifestos/speeches/autobiographies for a basic understanding. Or you could go further and read the ideas that they expanded upon - for example, the syndicalists. For the deepest understanding, you'll want to read Hegel, plus his predecessors (Kant) and successors (Marx).

Suicide for Dummies

>>19546368
Read Evola's Fascism Viewed From the Right. It's a good, critical examination of fascism. I think Evola has the most sensible and interesting interpretation on fascism. Other people will say shit like "oh yeah this is based on Hegelian idealism" or "read the various militant/republican/syndicalist fascists". I think neither of those really has much to do with the meaning of fascism in the grand scheme of things or with the reality of fascism back in the day. The Hegelian guys like Gentile really didn't have much of anything to do with day to day fascism, it's just historicist intellectual masturbation. Reading radical syndicalists, trade unionists and irredentists could be interesting, but they're basically just various types of Italian nationalists and Corporatism-adjacent people. I think Evola does a better job giving a more holistic and impartial view of what fascism was and what function it served both for the Italian people and for world history.

>>19546368
Read some Mosley. He's the fascist I admire the most. He wasn't a war monger, wanted peace with Germany (He wanted Britain to have an army but not for conquest but self-defence) and a united Europe. I'd have liked if he was harsher on the Jew but overall, a great man and the leader we should have had.

>>19546688
>The Hegelian guys like Gentile really didn't have much of anything to do with day to day fascism, it's just historicist intellectual masturbation
kys

>>19546701
What were his thoughts on the British Empire?

>>19546706
He wasn't against it, he saw that the overseas British colonies we inherited to be a very good thing for overseas trade and to make Britain stronger and more self reliant. As long as Britain utilised its international empire it could only grow stronger and shield itself from the swings of foreign economies.

>>19546368
It was a very diffuse movement that doesn't seem to have descended from a single ur text or thinker. There are broad similarities between the different fascisms both before and after the war, but the devil's in the details. To invoke Wittgenstein, Fascism is a movement that is bound together by family resemblance.

>>19546767
Wasn't he also pro united Ireland?
>>19546778
Yea, despite the talk (at the time) of international fascism, fascism was never an international movement like communism. There were fascist movements internationally, but they were all quite different from each other. The exception to this is the pro-Nazi parties whose ideology consisted of imitating what Germany did.

>>19546704
Cope and seethe lol.
>>19546805
>Wasn't he also pro united Ireland?
I think he was against the use of the Black and Tans after the end of the First World War, but to my knowledge he wasn't a supporter of Irish nationalism.

>>19546805
>Yea, despite the talk (at the time) of international fascism
I don't know much about Fascism, but are saying that in the early 20th Century there was talk about some sort of worldwide Fascist awakening/revolution in the same style of Communism? From little I know about Fascism, isn't one of it's aspects fierce nationalism? Or was it more of a "Fascism for everyone in their own country and people" internationalism compared to the Marxist "unite the world under Communism" type internationalism?

>>19546875
Not that anon but there's aspects of both. Fascism was very, very heterogeneous movement. In Italy it was radically nationalist and irredentist, but the more intellectual and creative types also wanted to imbue fascism with world-historical value, an immortal idea and universal applicability. There was even an international fascist congress, but it didn't pan out very well. The Germans had more luck with creating an international movement with the SS.

>>19546875
I am saying there wasn't one.
There was lots of talk of (the threat of) international fascism, with the rise of fascist movements in almost every country in Europe and Americas and the international fascist congress >>19546904 mentioned, but it never went anywhere. To begin with, fascism was not an internationalist movement like socialism. The aim of communism—even Soviet Union's communism in one state—was an eventual world communism, and although there were severe—sometimes deadly—disagreements, they all agreed on this one goal and the premise of historical materialism based on Marx's writings—even if they did not always agree with how Marx should be read.
Fascism was in some sense a global movement, but it was not a unified or even a coherent coherent one. Their aims, methods and ideological foundations were completely different. They had some common characteristics, mainly the opposition to capitalism AND communism, detestion for 'modern degredation' and the goal of creating a brand new world and a new man to inhabit it. What this specifically meant differed from movement to movement, as did the importance of each aim. (As a do not read Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism. It is the worst characterisation of fascism there is; it is completely wrong on several accounts).

As an example, here's an extract from Codreanu's autobiography (1935).
>"But Mussolini is not anti-Semitic. You rejoice in vain," whispered the Jewish press into our ears.
>It is not a matter of what we rejoice in say I, it is a question of why you Jews are sad at his victory, if he is not anti-Semitic. What is the rationale of the worldwide attack on him by the Jewish press?
>Italy has as many Jews as Romania has Ciangai [a quite minor ethnic group] in the Siret valley. An Italian anti-Semitic movement would be as if Romanians started a movement against the Ciangai. But had Mussolini lived in Romania he could not but be anti-Semitic, for Fascism means first of all defending your nation against the dangers that threaten it. it means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your nation.
>In Romania, Fascism could only mean the elimination of the dangers threatening the Romanian people, namely, the removal of the Jewish threat and the opening of a free way to the life and glory to which Romanians are entitled to aspire.

>>19547307
I should highlight some differences. First of all, prior to his ascendancy to prime minister and the subsequent compromises, Mussolini and his fascists, coming from socialism, were quite anticlerical, although they later did rescind: ‘In the Fascist State religion is considered as one of the most profound manifestations of the spirit; it is therefore not only respected, but defended and protected.’ (Doctrine of Fascim, 1932).
Codreanu's League of Archangel Michael, on the other hand, was explicitly Christian (and more specifically anti-Jew). Mussolini never had many problems with Jews and many high ranking fascists were Jewish. Yet, despite this, and indeed, in direct opposition to this, Codreanu finds that what is most important about the March on Rome is not the Italian economic collapse, nor the broken promises by the Entente nor the political deadlock, but the Jewish response to it.
Another example of the heterogeneity of fascist movements is the difference between the Silver Legion of America who wanted to reinstitute slavery, deport or liquidate Jews and non-whites and create a Christian commonwealth, and the Brazilian Integralists who wanted to a "union of all races and all peoples" guided by natural laws and God. Here we see a fascist movement motivated explicitly by racism above all else (the Silver Legion seemed to care little for anything else like economics) and a fascist movement that is explicitly anti-racist, arguing against discrimination and calling for further intergration of black Brazilians (although some leaders were still anti-semitic).

A final note on Jews and fascism. I do believe people make too much of a fuss over the supposed anti-semitism of fascism. Yes, many fascists were antisemitic, but so were many other politicians at the time. For the most part anti-semitism has been a side note unrelated to the actual ideology of the movement, bar some notable exceptions: the Germans – national socialism was but at its core it finds the international Jewry to be the root of all evil; the Romanians – as mentioned, opposition to Jews was the most important issue for the Romanian fascist movement; and the Americans – for white Americans the primary motivation has always been the blacks, and secondarily the Jew, and for black fascists the Jew who uses the white American.

>>19546432
True fascism is natsoc. The other movements weren't powerful enough to really go full boar

>>19546767
>>19546701
Defending the Anglo empire is even worse than being a Nazi

>>19546368
"Nihilism" by Fr. Seraphim Rose and "Orthodox Survival Course" also by Fr. Seraphim Rose give excellent perspective on the philosophy and context of Fascism.

>>19546541
this

>>19546432
Sounds like you just haven't read fascist theory lit anon, there's a lot of serious fash theory out there. Try these:

Hans Blucher
Iron Gates
Alexander Slavros's forum posts
Brievik's slideshow
How to Bomb the US Government

>>19546701
>A united Europe
Mosley only started talking about Europe a nation after the war and after the European Coal and Steel Community had already been born. It was a ploy to try to stay relevant and to establish a fascist bloc that could resist both Washington and Moscow but it wasn't the result of any sincere commitment to peace and national cooperation.

Before the BUF was justifiably banned as a fifth column, Mosley was taking money directly from the PNF and was agitating for peace because he didn't want war with a fascist power. Look at how he talks about India if you want to see what he thought of non fash nationalisms that were opposed to the UK.

He's also very funny because he constantly whined about free speech despite calling for an open dictatorship.

>>19546368
>pol pic
>misspelling
anyways
>Carl Schmitt Political Theology
>Carl Schmitt The Concept of the Political
>Carl Schmitt The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy


>Mussolini's Intellectuals by James Gregor
>The Philosophy of Fascim by Mario Palmeri.
>Hegel
>Fichte
>Marx
>Social Foundations of Contemporary Economics by Geroges Sorel
>Reflections on Violence by Georges Sorel
>Illusions of Progress by Georges Sorel
>Cercle Proudhon stuff if you're french,not much is translated
>Origins and Doctrine of Fascism
>A Criticism of Historical Materialism by Giovanni Gentile
>The Theory of Mind as Pure Act by Giovanni Gentile
>Genesis and Structure of a Society by by Giovanni gentile
>System of logic as theory of knowledge by Giovanni Gentile
>Origins and Doctrine of Fascism
>Resistance to Evil by Force by Ilyin
>Hegel's philosophy as a doctrine of the concreteness of God and man by Ilyin
>Foundations of Christian Culture by Ilyin
>Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera: The Foundations of the Spanish Phalanx by Nick W. Sinan Greger

>>19547728
Faggot

>>19548108
>Carl Schmitt
>all politics can be explained by the distinction between friend and enemy. in a state of exception/emergency, a dictator can and should seize absolute power
Why do people call this guy a genius again? Literally middle school tier "theory"

>>19546368
Omnipotent government by ludwig von mises

>>19546844
>Cope and seethe lol.
kys and dilate

>>19546368
"Fascism and Big Business" by Daniel Guerin. In practice all it did was divide the working class along race-lines, smash the trade unions, and deliver huge dividends to monopoly firms like IG Farben, Volkswagen, etc.

>>19546368
>maybe some manifests.
You could try the shipping manifests of basic consumer and industrial goods under the Third Reich. That'll show you pretty quickly why fascism is retarded.

>>19548641
Wages of Destruction too, shows how the Nazi "economic miracle" was a house of cards.They basically created a war bubble and probably would have been forced to choose between a new war and economic collapse even if the Nazis hadn't been irridentist retards.

>>19546368
Mussolini’s Intellectuals - A. James Gregor
The Birth of Fascist Ideology - Zeev Sternhell
Neither Left Nor Right - Zeev Sternhell