/lit/ - Literature

>>19537230
Wasn’t there a leak which said 2023? Something like a translator said so?

>>19537230
I like the series, it's the only fantasy I've read outside of LotR worth a damn. Although honestly the tv series made me lose all interest of the next books

>>19537230
You dont. He doesnt have children who will pay a writer to finish them when he dies

>>19537247
There have been like 5 translator leaks for TWOW since 2012. They are never true.

Never.
The show was Martin's true ending and he was shocked by how much people hated it.
He's dragging his feet on this one because he's desperately trying to fix some stuff. That way, when The Winds of Winter comes out speculators can reasonable argue that the ending might be different.
A Dream of Spring however, that is never coming out.

>>19537230
in 10 years, with an apostrophe S after Martin, and another author's name on the cover.

>>19537230
You won't, ever. Unless he declares his dragon prequel book non-canon, he's broken his story, he can't have Jon Snow come back to life, and he's going to have to come up with a completely original ending which is going to be even worse than the one he gave for the TV show.

>>19538133
>he can't have Jon Snow come back to life
Why not?

>he's going to have to come up with a completely original ending
No, he'll do a similar ending that doesn't suck. I'll bet he wraps up the threat of The Others in a much more satisfying way, some major characters will get better deaths (like Stannis and Jaime), Dany will still burn King's Landing but it's gonna be fucking awesome because GRRM actually knows how to present it, and Bran will end up on the Iron Throne because he's enlightened (not because he "has the best story" or whatever the fuck Tyrion said in the show).

>>19538399
>Others
>>when he writes "Others"
>>>when someone makes fun of him for: writing "Others"

>>19538399
Did you read the prequel book? If you did, it sounds like you're ignoring some key details in the hopes that Santa will come and fill your Christmas list you have there.

>>19538133
He's going to fix it by having Jon an incest bastard between Ned and his sister and he's going to make him and Dany a Dyad in the Force

>>19537230

>>19537251
Just finished The Name of the Wind and it was pretty good desu

>>19538409
Spill the beans bro

>>19537230
Never, kill yourself

>>19537230
Remember back in 2015 when he said he could finish it by the end of the year?

>>19537230
Never. George is so pissed off with how the TV series went that he won't be completing the series. Blame TV, not George.

>>19539006
GRRM came up with the retarded ending though

>>19537251
GRRM's prose is terrible.

>>19538892
Kill yourself homo.

>>19539014
The ending was retarded because it was rushed and D&D were midwits at best who couldn't write their way out of a paper bag. A lot of the plot points people hated could actually work well if done correctly.
>Bran as King - instead of being some gay shit about having 'the best story', can instead be about the fact that he's become a demigod, tragically lost a lot of his humanity, and is now powerful beyond measure. Will likely be wrapped up in the heresy theories related to a pact between humans and the others, going back to the original dark night. Has a lot of Echoes in Fisher King and Corn King mythology.
>Danaerys burning down Kings Landing - this is just traditional Shakespearean tragedy if done right. Ambition and a blind belief in destiny slowly overtake nobility of purpose. Made a lot more believable with Aegon being present in the book, obscuring the righteousness of her claim.
>John resurrection not being explained or having consequences - in the books we already have a chapter from a one off POV that was clearly only written to show that wargs' consciousness inhabits their animal once they die and slowly merges with the animal's personality. So we know Jon will go into Ghost, and most likely become more wolf-ish in the process. Then we just need a little magic to get him back into his dead body, possibly related to the magic of the others which animates dead bodies already. It's all there for the taking.
>Euron being a shit villain: in the show he is a mid-tier pirate with no presence whose most memorable moment is joking about sticking a digit up Cersei's arse. In the books (especially the preview chapter from Aeron's POV) he's being built up to be this hyped Lovecraftian megalomaniac who plans on mass sacrifice to bring about a new apocalyptic age with him ruling over everything.

I could go on but the clues are already there that if it ever gets published, the same story could be told well if given proper treatment. The only thing I will never defend is Arya one shotting the Night King and defeating the entire threat of the Others having had no involvement in their story. But I have hope that that is so appallingly written that that was just another D&D fuck up.

>>19538024
I'm convinced this is the real reason.

>>19539520
Those all sound entirely lame and you know that George isn't going to be able to deliver on any of them, which is why Benioff and Weiss knew the best course of action was to rip the bandaid off like they did.

>>19539546
I'm not defending GRRM, the fucker has no excuse to have not finished by now. But it doesn't take a great writer to deliver on any of those four things I listed. I don't see any big obstacle that would stop GRRM from delivering on them - it's not an exercise that requires a genius.

>>19539594
The things you listed are LAME

>>19539546
If you're saying that with the offered ten seasons with ten episodes each, Benioff & Weiss couldn't come up with a satisfying way for the conclusions to play out, you're just doubling down on the fact that they are bad writers.

Lets look at Danaerys burning down Kings Landing as an example. We can be fairly sure that was one of the few major landmarks provided by GRRM that the TV show had to arrive at. They would have had a ton of leeway in how to get there though. Any decent writer worth their salt could have sat down and come up with a multi-series arc illustrating a descent from idealism to tyranny and madness. Viewers aren't stupid. They weren't mad she burned down the city. They were mad that it came out of left field with no real build up or foreshadowing. It could have been a really good plot arc, but the two retards at the top rushed it because they wanted to cash in and write a Star Wars movie instead.

>>19539600
If you don't have the imagination to work out how those storylines could be good I feel sorry for you.

>>19539610
They already did all that; it's called the seven seasons that came before
>inb4 that didn't count because slavery bad!

>>19539137
>t retard

>>19539137
it's like a 4/10, which by genre fiction standards is like an 8/10

>>19539617
I'm sorry, I'm not 14 years old

>>19537247
JUST TWO MORE YEARS

>>19539625
Imagine being older than 14 and being filtered by basic Fisher King Mythology, Tragedy of Moral Order, Dying and Rising Mythology, and Cosmic Horror. If you can't comprehend how those can make a good story then I'm sorry, ngmi.

>>19539642
Why don't you read actual books that actually explore those themes instead of anticipating the next release from le diarrhea man?

>>19539649
You talk about those two things like they are mutually exclusive. Anon... you know you can read books whilst waiting for other books right? Please tell me you know this, it's important to me to know that you know this.

>>19539654
I told you last time: post the dumb frogposter frog the first time, that way everybody knows not to waste their time arguing with you, dumb frogposter.
>inb4 inappropriate uses of victory flatulations like "I accept your concession" or "Stannis did nothing wrong"

>>19539617
With that kind of imagition you can image any story as a good story, why even read then? If all is good, nothing is

>>19539660
Way to address precisely none of my arguments. That's right anon, blame the frog.
>>19539663
Because you get pleasure in seeing the story play out and having these themes play out in new and sometimes unexpected ways? And I didn't say everything was good, in fact I said the opposite. Game of Thrones (TV) was pure shit, precisely because they failed to recognise the underlying themes and build up to them, and became very lazy with dialogue and pacing. My whole argument on this thread has been that a decent author (doesn't have to be a genius at all) could arrive at the same conclusion in a satisfying, coherent way.

>>19537230
2021 found him squatting in front of his computer. Every line was harder to write than the last one, and of lower quality. The more he wrote, the worse it was, but the worse it was, the less he wrote.