/lit/ - Literature

Confidential Clerk, Elder Statesman.

Naturally I dislike Eliot, but at least he is operating in the vein of Jacobean theater. I doubt Bergman wrote in English, although Scandinavian theater arguably rivals Jacobean. Cassavetes writes basic melodramas.

>>19536364
Arthur Miller

>>19536364
I love Bergman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMFS3Ycrjg

>>19536364
Did you just start watching movies? Lol

>>19536364
P A S O L I N I

>>19536421
Herrejävlar vad kul

>>19536364
The creator of Chicago

>>19536708
The image is burned into my mind; Bergman as this old man sitting in his self-made monastery on Fårö, as the greatest (then) living figure in swedish art, to not speak of international cinema, wanking like a madman.

>>19536421
This and the Hitler clip always kills me.

>>19536421

Can someone translate the gist of what he says into english

>>19536364
A better playwright than they were screenwriters? Probably this guy. A better playwright than they were directors? That's harder.

>>19536394
Cassavetes didn't even wrote his films, they were the result of workshops and improvisation of his actors. A gift I'm sure but not a literary one.

>>19536364

Sam Shepard

>>19537567
Well, he did write his 'greatest hits' in the 50's not post-50s.

>>19537682
>Sam Shepard
I'd say him and Mamet are on a similar plane, more or less, with Cassavetes. But Bergman at his best was on a somewhat higher plane.

>>19536364
/lit/bros...I can't...

>>19537337
He’s talking about how Bergman was a very horny man and how it must’ve been difficult to grow old and still be as horny. He then says its inconceivable that Bergman dealt with this horniness in any way but through masturbation, and describes how Bergman, an old grey man, must’ve sat at his great house with his great library and personal cinema, at the heart of the swedish art world, wanking like a madman. At the end he adds in a solemn tone that ”He means a whole damn lot to me, the stupid swine”

>>19536364
Wtf lol? Bergman had major flaws and is often ridiculous. Sure it's only natural when an artist has to fulfil the vocation of many jobs for his artwork there will often be destabilisation of abilities, creating a slight dilettantism, but Bergman just simply treated as a writer has tons of flaws and cliches. Whenever he indulges in nihilism he gets at his most ridiculous, such as in Persona, while he is at his best when he is also most healthy such as in Wild Strawberries.

>>19539769
>Whenever he indulges in nihilism he gets at his most ridiculous, such as in Persona

When he lost his faith as an adult, in the early 60s, in what he described as something like a reverse Road to Damascus experience, something went out of his art, I think.

The tension between belief and skepticism undergirded his best work, films like The Seventh Seal, Smiles of a Summer Night, and Sawdust and Tinsel (the clown's surrealistic 'passion' scene).

>>19540135
>The tension between belief and skepticism undergirded his best work,
Exactly, without that honest theological dialogue it just feels like a theme park set up to look depressing and be oh-so-existentialist. It lost the tension of opposites which is the creative nature, in Jungian terms. I think he fit very well into the world of Wild Strawberries because it wasn't just about religion. Winter Light felt like depression porn.

Do you know if The Passion of Anna is any good? Or his Fanny and Alexander?

>>19536394
>Naturally I dislike Eliot

Oh, naturally. Naturally, my boy! What what!

>>19539769
70’s>60’s>80’s>>>50’s>90’s>>>40’s>00’s

>>19536421

Why are you guys talking about directors being "playwrights"? Am I missing something? Do you mean screenwriter, or something? Playwright means for the stage. You know, plays?

>>19540162
>Winter Light felt like depression porn.
It's very depressing, but I think it comes by its gloom, even its despair, honestly; it probably reflects B's feelings during the process of losing his faith. (It's been awhile since I've seen it; don't know how I'd react to it now, but it's doubtful I'll ever watch the darn thing again -- although I'm tempted to just to watch those shifting clouds lighting effects that were so artfully recreated in the studio.)

>Do you know if The Passion of Anna is any good? Or his Fanny and Alexander?
I haven't seen the first, been many years since I saw the second. I thought it was pretty good, not great, but it has some beautiful moments and is worth seeing.

>>19536407
This guy.
Tennessee Williams, Eugene O'Neill.