/lit/ - Literature

>>19533306
I wish you the best, Canuck anon.

>>19533306
I often think the same thing

>>19533313
THANKS FRIEND

>>19533313
THANKS FRIEND

>>19533321
LET'S FUCKING DO IT DUDE

You're not even beating out anyone significant. Who's the best writer Canada can boast of? Robertson Davies? Pretty low bar to jump.

> IT WON'T EVEN BE HARD BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE IS ILLITERATE AND RETARDED
Still more literate and intelligent than any Yank.
Also try it you self-hating faggot, I don't imagine I'll be writing any "novels" specifically but I'm definitely going to be the one who will rise to be the greatest Canadian litterateur of our age. Suck it.

>>19533336
Nobel Laureate Alice Munro. Not sure if she's a novelist but she's a master short story writer.

>>19533337
>Still more literate and intelligent than any Yank.
Keep telling yourself that, you insignificant speck. The best school sin the world are almost all American.

>>19533306
I believe in you, Anon. I think a Canadian novel has a good chance of being a literary manifestation of the Millenial/Zoomer transition.

>>19533343
>Alice Munro
Hackneyed trash. Davies is head and shoulders above Munro.

>>19533354
>Hackneyed trash
No.

>>19533336
Robertson Davies is fucking great. The Cornish trilogy is so far up /lit/'s alley I'm amazed he isn't talked about more here. Also he helped establish the Stratford festival and his years as the master of Massey college soind amazing.

>>19533336
>Who's the best writer Canada can boast of?
Jason Bryan

>>19533377
>The Cornish trilogy is so far up /lit/'s alley I'm amazed he isn't talked about more here.

I'm not. Nobody here reads except a short list of the same books everyone else here has read, hence the same boring infographics that get handed around like playing cards here.

>>19533346
thanks anon. it will be hard but it's what i was put on this earth to do

>>19533306
https://youtu.be/OGgl-WeaYvw

>>19533337
>Still more literate and intelligent than any Yank.
uh huh, sure anon
>I don't imagine I'll be writing any "novels"
yeah because you're too stupid
>but I'm definitely going to be the one who will rise to be the greatest Canadian litterateur of our age.
sure ya will bud
>calls me a f*gg*t
>>"Suck it."
woah, and he's a hypocrite too! amazing

>>19533439
ah yes. canadian culture at its finest

>>19533336
i haven't read davies, i should though. every canadian writer i've tried to force myself to read has been unreadable, with the exception of sheila watson. it's a sad state of affairs, a g7 country without literature

>>19533450
Try the Rebel Angels by Davies. Fifth Business and it's sequels are more famous, but /lit/ seems to like a good academic setting. He's very readable and very well read, very erudite, and a bit of a product of his generation of authors in that he absolutely adores Jung. He's very much the consumate man of letters and he is also unapologetically Canadian, albeit a kind of Canadian that our country tried to pretend doesn't exist after the Great Rebranding in the 60s.

>>19533306
You can do it OP. Like others have said, even well-known Canadian authors are... you know. It's an attainable goal unlike trying to be the greatest American novelist, or Russian, etc. In some ways it's good, in some ways it sucks.

>>19533473
sounds like a great canadian desu, i will definitely read that novel asap. thanks for the recommendation anon

>>19533344
> Keep telling yourself that, you insignificant speck. The best school sin the world are almost all American.
Yeah, well it looks like all your schools are going massively downhill these days so not for long. Oh, and focus on paying off your student debt and healthcare bills, bud.
>>19533441
>uh huh, sure anon
If you ignore all the immigrants and frogs then yes, yeah we are.
>yeah because you're too stupid
No, because the form just really isn't that interesting.
>sure ya will bud
Thanks, but I know already.
>woah, and he's a hypocrite too! amazing
It's an idiomatic phrase, it means nothing. Try not to get turned on so easily, I wouldn't actually let you touch it, keep dreaming.

>>19533508
My pleasure. Also worth noting that while he wasn't necessarily the most important person involved, he did help get the Stratford festival established and was on its board for most of his life, and every time I remind myself how it got going the more incredible it seems.

>>19533306
Hmmm. I came to /lit/ for books and intelligent discussion, now I realize its exactly like /pol/ without the (justifiable) racism and hatred against jews (and the never-ending shilling fuuuuucccckkkk).

Anyhoo, loaded up on some rather interesting books, I thank any anon here who contributed to the wealth of knowledge . . . or at least links to books.

Do we do Nazi stuff here? If so 1488, if not, then carry on.

>>19533477
>You can do it OP
thanks anon
>even well-known Canadian authors are... you know
ugh... the state of canadian literature is dismal, and i've known so many smart people with literary aspirations who've given up, betrayed literature for programming or just killed their mind with drugs and alcohol in order to assimilate.
> It's an attainable goal unlike trying to be the greatest American novelist, or Russian, etc.
fuck yeah it is! i mean, it will still take a lot of work, and the rest of my life, but i've wanted to be a writer since i was fucking ten years old, so i've got to be true to myself and keep chasing my dream. (drunk and tired right now, this isn't writing please don't judge me)
>In some ways it's good, in some ways it sucks.
hopefully if i write something good that gets published i could inspire others, maybe have my own publishing company one day even, damn.

>>19533524
>immigrants
the only people i ever see reading are chinese people on the train
>No, because the form just really isn't that interesting.
what will you write instead? hypertext?
>Thanks, but I know already.
well in that case we can be rivals >:)
>It's an idiomatic phrase, it means nothing. Try not to get turned on so easily, I wouldn't actually let you touch it, keep dreaming.
ick

>>19533343
Lives of Girls and Women is somewhere between a cycle and a novel.

>>19533529
man that's great. sometimes i feel such despair over the soulless anti-intellectual consumerism of this country, and also neonazi fucks like >>19533537 . it's good to know people like davies existed. i want for us all to try to uphold canadian values, or at least project some sense of budget neomodernist nobility, which is perhaps how i'd diminishingly classify the best of canadian culture

>>19533574
Davies very much thought of the soul of our country (the anglophone part anyways) as inherently loyalist, introverted, and maybe a little too practical for its own good, but he very much believed in the possibilities that existed here for theater and literature.

>>19533597
oh man, it sounds like he gets the, like, true nature of canadians prior to being corrupted by... what, exactly? xenophobia? racism?
>he very much believed in the possibilities that existed here for theater and literature.
based. i'd like to believe in that too. it's up to us as canadians to defend the progressive liberal utopia that canada is supposed to be against nihilism, anarchy, degeneracy, hatred etc

>>19533624
In my opinion I think part of it is understanding that we are an outpost of empire, and that both good and bad things have come with that. While I think the whole push to reinvent Canada's image was motivated by wanting to be a modern, multicultural state, it ended up backfiring by creating this weird facade that just covers up the bad and denies the good. We must see ourselves as we are, not as perfect little nice citizens of the "cultural mosaic" or bizarrely wanting to larp as one side or another of American political movements.

Some writers of canadian 20th century classics.

michael ondaatje
al purdy
alice munro
robert kroetsch
mordecai richler
timothy findley
john metcalf
shiela watson

A lot of canadians, including myself, don't really give a shit about our own culture. Discussing modernism in Canada or whatever... it tends to get washed out in larger currents in us, european lit. I read more poetry than prose, but there are a lot of gems. Whether we have like, objective masterpieces is hard to say. I'd rather read faulkner's "as i lay dying" than, say, watson's "double hook", but that's just preference, and maybe a bit of cultural self-loathing.

write the masterpiece. you're canadian, so win the gov general's award in literature and bask in it for a while. then, when you wanna depress yourself, actually read the past winners of the governor general's award in literature. nobody really reads, everyone's fulla shit, but endeavor to make something good.

rambling because I've been watching the simpsons for five hours instead of reading canadian literature.

>>19533770

That's because we are wannabe Americans. We care more about their politics and are becoming more like them every year, we watch all of their shows and movies, we ape their music, we adopt their style, use the exact products they produce and use, their corporate bodies make up most of our industry, restaurant and retail spaces. We then proceed to ignore and look down on home grown stuff. We are an unconnected state. One with less brain-worms, for sure, but anyone talking about Canadian culture is a having a fucking laugh.

>>19533665
very literary reply desu. yes, exactly, and that's the whole difficulty with canadian literature, this lack of global, historical perspective, everyone having been coaxed into this false and ahistorical utopia, people are too busy having pleasure to think. i think personally i view it more as the violence of colonialism vs empire. the weird facade also prevents literature, there is censorship on the level of ones own existence, where if you don't look a certain way people will attack and try to kill you. my goal is not resentful, but given the violence of positivity here, you know, art and literature, thinking's goal is to approach the real, give thanks to being, whatever. it's so weird how negative our positivity is, people can die of fentanyl on the street, but even then the fake hipsters will latch onto that in a sneering and snotty way, everything is still reduced to a nihilative game of identity politics without serious thought or appreciation, millionaires with no appreciation.
>We must see ourselves as we are, not as perfect little nice citizens of the "cultural mosaic" or bizarrely wanting to larp as one side or another of American political movements.
yes yes yes yes yes, that is the goal! the everyday ugliness or niceness, the REALITY of LIFE here. we resent americans so much, we exaggerate every political movement they have times 10 in a completely nihilistic way whilst ignoring our own political climate.

>>19533439
If you have nothing valuable to contribute then just lurk while more intelligent people communicate, you ugly, old idiot.

>>19533537
Grow up man

>>19533787
someone (not me) should write a satire, a play perhaps, where something very extreme happens in america, and canadians copy is, but it doesn't affect canadians at all whilst affecting americans heavily, could even be a positive thing, i don't write sci-fi but like americans moving to mars, and all the canadians talking about moving to mars whilst being left behind as a meteor obliterates north america, something of that ilk. oh we're going too, maybe even mexico joins, only the idiot canadians completely unaware of themselves face annihilation. feel free to steal this, i don't write scifi

>>19533787
bit of a facile take. if there is a profound crisis in canadian literature re: american cultural hegemony... what is there to do?

really can't stand when people speak this way, such a pussy, defeatist stance. I never said we didn't create great works; there's a lot of really good canadian stuff.

to dismiss all canlit would be silly, and funny enough, that's a very american thing to do.

>>19533840
just to add: doesn't seem like anyone here has really read any canadian writers. there is a surprising breadth of stuff out there beyond your davies/atwood/richler, aka high school required canlit.

>>19533840
cope

>>19533770
Made in Canada dawg!

>>19533864

What's ken's character arch?

>>19533843
Do you have names, titles to recommend ?

>>19533811
When BLM was happening in the states, there was a protest at our legislature building that, because of the demographics of my city, was overwhelmingly white and asian. A few weeks later there was a protest with probably 40% of the black population of the city. It was the cities' Ethiopian immigrants (majority 1st and 2nd gen) trying to make people aware of how their subgroup was being genocided back home. Never got any traction here.

>>19533306
The man who posts wojack memes cannot be a great writer.