/lit/ - Literature

>>19525403
>No first contact scifi novels
It’s a great untapped market. Why won’t people write about it?

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

The Once and Future Kings. Simple as.

>Fuck chinkshit
>Fuck cultivation
>Fuck webnovels
>Fuck litRPG
>Fuck anime
>Fuck manga

Simple as

this general deserves a better standard of meme

Hello, welcome to /sffg/ if you are new here. You must have come here looking for recommendations on what to read? Well, look no further as we have already concluded a study on the favorite authors of /sffg/ which are Bakker, Wolfe, and Tolkien. There are what you should go for if you want something that is really good. If you want something that is quirky, not published traditionally, and in every other way shit, you might try any that is mentioned in post >>19525433

Should I read the Skyward series? Only thing I've read from Sanderson is Elantris and Emperor Soul so I'm wondering if he can do SF too.

Did Harry Potter kill the fantastical school genre?

>>19525452

>>19525475
No, Harry Potter merely monopolize it. You can't have fantastical school novel without it being compared to Harry Potter. Other than that, some webnovels and self-publish books still do the whole fantastical school.

>>19525467
I've already read Bakker, Wolfe, and Tolkein. What do I read now?

>>19525475
Probably in the form that it is in Harry Potter. Many other books utilize the notion of wizard schools to a great effect anyone. I'd remind everyone here that it was Ursula K. Le Guin who first wrote a book where there was a school of wizards. (A Wizard of Earthsea)

>>19525485
>webnovels
>self-published

see >>19525433

Go somewhere else to recommend your crap that was deemed unworthy by professional publishers and editors.

>>19525494
I really don't dig the prose of that novel.

Is there any actual literary sci-fi or is it all just Reddit plot-driven garbage? I want to read a great novel with beautiful prose and nuance and experimental form and rich thematic exploration that leaves me thinking about it years after I've finished, and I don't think these are things that should be confined to boring stories about self-insert NPC women living dull lives in New York City, which make up most literary fiction today.

I know it's possible. Why isn't anyone doing it? If McCarthy can do it for Westerns and Calvino can do it for magical realism, then surely someone can do it for sci-fi. The closest I've found is a short story about a transgender attack helicopter.

>>19525504
>Is there any actual literary sci-fi
Wolfe

>>19525503
Go cry me a river. Idaho River 'Not liking' a prose is the weakest and most smooth-brained argument I've heard here. There are many kinds of prose and Ursula has been accepted widely even in literary circles for her mastery over the English language.

>>19525504
Have you read works by Ursula K. Le Guin, R. Scott Bakker, Gene Wolfe, or Frank Herbert?

>>19525504
Mason & Dixon

>>19525474
He can't do SF, Skyward is a downhill slope.
>first book has an intriguing, almost grimdark premise, a decent plot and pacing
>second book undoes all of that by revealing that the galaxy is just some Disney discount mass-effect council shit
>third book is a huge B plot in the middle of fucking narnia with pg13 pirates who don't kill
Go read Stormlight kino

>>19525545
Firstly, no one should read Sanderson for good writing, secondly Mistborn is probably the best series he has written and The Way of Kings the best book he has written. Nevertheless, he is a hack writer his average craft.

>>19525569
>Sanderson can't do good writing
Its 50-50 on that front. Sometimes he manages to put out 10/10 gems like Words of Radiance and other times he shits out crap like basically all his YA series.
If you want to get into Sanderson, his mainline Cosmere books tend to be the highest quality he can push out, of which his best series is Stormlight.

>>19525569
I can't really decide if I like Sanderson or not. I've only read Stormlight Archives for now and I think he's decent on world building and describing fighting but the prose is awful. How do his other works compare?

Currently reading Reverend Insanity, I am struggling with stuff like miniman mountain and reverse flow river, concepts like these are just completely randomly made up and add nothing to the story, I am at a point where FY got thrown into reverse flow river and just getting through the chapter I find very hard. Does it at some point get good again like in the first few story arcs?

>>19525629
>Currently reading Reverend Insanity
I found the problem. Who made you choose this poor track in your life? Have you considered reading actually good books?

>>19525629
>Does it at some point get good again like in the first few story arcs?
Yes, but you have to keep on reading. What Chapter you at?

>>19525629
Should have read I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Will Eternal or Against the Gods.

>>19525629

>>19525569
What about the second trilogy of Mistborn?

>>19525700
Mistborn era 1 ended with the destruction of the world. I can't think of an ending less inviting for a sequel.

>>19525700
It's all western cowboy in a big city cringe that is nothing compared to Mistborn. Brandon is just squeezing as much money as he can from the ip.

>>19525629
Anon, I don't know if you've realized this, but EVERYTHING in fiction is just made up. What exactly is your issue? What arcs did you think were better? It's rare for someone to get as far as you have AND have major criticisms so I'm interested to hear them. Usually it's just people complaining about the Chang Yan Shin arc, which is legitimately shit.

>>19524480
Every single dunyain ever presented on screen has been one of the Few. All of them.

>>19525804
>>19525691
>>19525687
If these are not the biggest cope I've seen I don't know what.

>Oh this book seems shit
>Yes, its shit, but you should read more trust me bro

>>19525834
even the boy who is with the survivor?
what about 'The Four'?

>>19525700
I unironically enjoyed era 2 more than the first one.
>limited powers
>forces the characters to use creativity to maximize what they have
>technological developments of the powers to 'hack' the magic system

I wish A Thousand Li were better. It's a great low level introduction into cultivation tropes but barely stands as its own work.

>>19525684
Most western fantasy is sjw garbage. I have no interest in reading such books

>>19525687
1272

>>19525804
basically at this point the world has lost meaning, before it was divided into regions and things happened mostly in their respective regions, FY took advantage of that because he had immortal travel gu, now it seems everyone can almost freely travel everywhere and it is not that big of a deal, also it seems most characters below rank 6 almost lost all relevance, and only upper rank 7 and rank 8 will feature in the story, most of these are boring characters, there is hardly anything happening apart from these rank 8s fighting and it just boring.

>>19525474
Well you should already know he can't do fantasy, so what makes you think he can do sci-fi any better? Seriously, you've seen how all his magic is basically shitty physics instead of actually magic, why would you want to subject yourself to more that garbage except without the convenient excuse of "it's magic lol" to ignore all the terribly inconsistent and nonsensical ways he tries to rationalize and systematize magic?

Also, he just can't write for shit either. Easily the worst dialogue I've ever come across and super flat and one-note characters.

>>19525601
>10/10 gems like Words of Radiance

Fantasy is for virgins

>>19525918
Well yeah, rank eights CAN just casually smoosh rank six and seven, that's been hammered home for quite a while by the point you're at. If you're worried about not enough characters and too much fighting don't worry about it.
Finish the reverse flow river arc and reconsider, a LOT of shit is about to happen at once that could invalidate some of your complaints. If not, then I can give you a better response because I'll be able to talk a lot more freely without spoilers.

>>19525977
Ranks? Oh no, I knew RI is shit but its an litRPG as well?

grabbed this off the shelf at the library at random today. Anyone read it?

>>19526001
No, just standard chinkshit.

my friend said the best modern fantasy authors are mark lawrence and joe abercrombie is he right?

>>19525948
>wamham fan looking down on anyone

>>19526013
>anything chronicles
It's not going to be good, is it

>>19526141
that's a different series

>>19526120
Virgin
>looks for meaning
>genre dominated by sjw
>irrelevant medieval setting

Chad
>doesn't need purpose, just likes cool guns
>Creators have to warn about Fascism
>Cool futuristic setting with transhumanist elements

>>19526145
I mostly real sci-fi and speculative fiction

>>19526169
Ya I only watch youtube videos about 40k, books are silly

>>19526176
*40k books

>>19526145
isn't the warhammer fandom full of trannies?

>>19526377
Every fandom has trannies.

>>19526387
some have more.

>>19525403
What was the name of this book I'm trying to look up, it was about the inhabitants of a medieval fantasy world discovering they are inside a simulated world inside a massive computer (like a matrioshka brain or something). I can't remember the name of the book, but the concept behind it fascinates me.

>>19525504
Wolfe proved that it was possible but --
>The closest I've found is a short story about a transgender attack helicopter.
Oh. Uh, right on, carry on man.

Bakker said he loves Cradle

Cradle bros, we won

>>19525865
tell me some good cultivation books

>>19525494
Earthsea's not much about the school. I barely even remember the school, honestly.

>>19525525
It's just not very good in comparison to stuff like Redwall and Harry Potter for that age range. People like it now because they can look back on it and appreciate the prose more with a tint of nostalgia, but kids pay more attention to the material when it's wittier/livelier than Earthsea is.

>>19525475
I think Rothfuss, The Magicians etc. showed that there was still some gas in the tank afterwards if you went with an "adult" slant to it, but that well's probably dry, at this point. I do think there's probably room for capeshit school, but most of the people writing anything like that are doing it as a webnovel (like Ward) and won't reach mass-market success.

>>19526581
source: my ass

>>19522981
this sounds cool
I want to know what it is too

Siegfried. Chad or virgin?

Anyone have thoughts on pic related? Thinking of rereading very soon.

>>19526672
The vibe I get from these covers is >crawling in my skin, these wounds they will not heal

So what's up with this big Bakker hype news? Spill the beans, eh? If any of you anons actually know what's up and aren't just larping doubtful

Empire of Vampire is a shit title but the book is good

>>19526683
This, Already know it's some brent weeks nightwish assassin edge with writing so dogshit the publisher couldn't be bothered with a better cover.

>>19526683
Nah; the m/c is edgy but the whole thing is a violence critique and an authority critique at the end of the day. Stover's cover art is just terrible, the first version of Heroes Die looked even worse.

>>19526685
2 more weeks

>>19526703
>just wait two weeks bro
it's going to be a big fat organic free range sranc-meat nothingburger

>>19525403
Sorcery of a Queen, Dragons of Terra #2 - Brian Naslund (2020)
I find it much easier to give the benefit of the doubt to the first book in a series than any following book. The second book often shows whether the author learned from their mistakes and/or whether the first was merely a fluke. This is unfortunately sometimes undermined by the second in a trilogy being a transitional book. While I wouldn't call this transitional, it certainly seems to primarily be for setting up the third book. I would've preferred it to follow up its some of its themes from the first book rather than for the majority to be a suicidal quest again, but that suffices as well.

There's wholesale slaughter and many characters die, but I didn't find it to be very impactful. That usually requires some emotional investment. When a bunch of influential nobodies are killed that's mostly a statement of what characters are willing to do more than anything else. There are a few characters that time has been spent on that die, but I feel that those involved were either too nonchalant or hamfisted about their deaths for me to feel much. As with the first book there's sex, though this time the only scene where there's more than a couple sentences are two male youths fumbling around.

The series antagonist was introduced relatively late in the first book. There's much more focus on him in this one and probably will be in the third book. I like him, but he's in the wrong series, for me at least. He's directly responsible for almost all the in-universe elements I don't like in this series. Everything he does just seems so out of place, mostly in terms of technological advancement. His goal of imposing perfect order on the world is relatively common, but how he wants to go about it irks me in this otherwise not technologically advanced setting. I think that would be less of a concern others.

Overall, I found this to be a weaker book, perhaps only because I didn't overlook as much. The series is a fun read, but it isn't anything particularly notable aside from maybe its propensity to quickly overthrow established systems. I expect the third to be more similar to the second than the first. Depending on how the third book goes, I may have to relegate this series to being little better than average because of how it doesn't do much with the several good ideas it has. So, while it hasn't been quite what I'd want it to be, I can certainly see the appeal for others to enjoy it more for what it is.
Rating: 3/5

>>19526806
Read Cradle next

>>19526806
Read Cradle

>>19526819
>>19526905
why dont you say something of substance to the review? whats going to happen when he reads cradle?

>>19526933
I just wanted him to read something good after a bad 3/5 book :(

>write a fun little adventure in space
>write "The Israeli Empire" on the last page
God damn it, Poul.

What the consensus on sci-fi/fantasy light novels?

Is combat and action written well in this book? Thinking about picking it up.

>>19525416
>The Once and Future King
Is shit. Read Le Morte d'Arthur.

>>19525504
1984, Brave New World, Murakami (1Q84 is good), Borges, Kafka, Pelevin (Homozapiens and Helmet of Horror are great), Ishiguro, Oryx and Crake and other Atwood, Vonnegut, etc.

Plenty of authors write fantasy and sci-fi, they just aren't considered as such because they tend to be lower concept, more philosophical, and more like standard novels.

Borges and Pelevin are definitely writing fantasy, they're just not writing genre fantasy with it's series that stretch 8+ 700 page books and focus on world building and narrative twists.

These authors don't compete for the Hugo because they want to win a Booker.

>>19525842
Not him but the Five, or now Four, I am pretty sure learned sorcery considering they had all the most powerful sorcerers, and the Inchori groveling at their feet like dogs and scared of them. They probably got offered some teaching to help take out Kellhus and ended up more powerful then their masters just the way Kellhus did.

>>19526994
The combat is mostly glossed over for the political stuff.
>>19527004
I have this, is it close enough?

>>19526819
>>19526905
I already did. This was before I was using the tripcode and just writing whatever and didn't have any idea what I'd be doing. I just haven't wrote up really anything about the other books much, including Reaper when I basically read it soon as it came out.
>>/lit/thread/S13955200#p13963895

>>19526942
3/5 isn't bad.

5: great
4: good
3: ok
2: bad
1: aughhhh
As far as I'm concerned anyway.

>>19525700
I enjoyed the characters of era 2 Mistborn more than the characters of the original trilogy.

>>19527055
any recommendation on a scifi book with good action?

>>19527068
I'd be interested for you to do a review of Reverend Insanity Volume 1(chapters 1-199, about 1600 pages). Usually everyone either stops at the first page or reads the whole thing in one binge. A standalone volume review would be nice to have.

>>19527161
Hammer's Slammers.

>>19525409 People do write about them. One of the most popular SF novels this year is about that. It would be a spoiler to name it.
>>19525452 “For we each of us deserve everything, every luxury that was ever piled in the tombs of the dead kings, and we each of us deserve nothing, not a mouthful of bread in hunger." - Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed
>>19525504 "Attack Helicopter", which is what it was renamed to, is a Hugo Finalist. I read it when it released. I didn't think much of it. All the drama about it from all sides was entirely overblown.
>>19525474 It's YA SF. Some here have liked it though.
>>19525475 No. It'll be interesting to see how much staying power it has though. The first book came out 24 years ago. I never read any of them or watched the movies.
>>19525717 No, it didn't.
>>19526013 Doesn't look like it, but maybe someone here has. I know some have read Iron Druid Chronicles.
>>19526093 Depends on what "your friend" meant by "best"
>>19526432 There's a few different ones like that. The ones I can think of it wouldn't be it though.
>>19526991 Some like them and probably most hold them in contempt. If you think they can be fun, then sure. Don't try to read them for any other reason though.
>>19526994 As noted in the other post, it was mostly about the politics to me as well, an "ideological novel".
>>19527008 I couldn't assign a value rating to Helmet of Horror. It's just too much. I liked this book of his more more:
https://vimeo.com/102107747

>>19527178
Thanks I'll look into it

>>19527167
Huh, looks like I forgot to mark the various webnovels and similar that I looked a couple years ago. I won't be doing so for the following reasons from when I looked at it previously:
1: I find it/them to be unreadable and wouldn't enjoy myself. That they're translated doesn't help, nor does the acceptance of MTL from some of those here who read then.
2: That's far too many pages to read for something I didn't think would be worthwhile.
3: Although I'm still considering whether I'll take a few requests next year, this is far too long and not likely enough to be worthwhile.

There are a few members in the /sffg/ GR group who read xianxia/cultivation works and enjoy them though. I think a few may have even written some stuff about then.

>>19527244
I find it odd that you have issues with the prose, it's not even remotely MTL-level. I know because I got sick of waiting for new chapters and tried reading MTL once and couldn't get through a single chapter.
Obviously as a translation it's not amazing, but it's definitely Cradle-level at least, and besides the prose it's grade-A shit, head and shoulders above the vast majority of genre fiction. Are you sure you were reading the actual translation?

>>19525475
Fury of a Rising Dragon is pretty good for that. Really slow start but picks up if you can hang in there through the first half or so of the first book. Really well defined magic system. They go through it a lot in the first series The Arinthian Line starting with Arcane, but it's the guy's first books and the dialogue writing is a little rough in places
Latest series just started with Prodigy of Thunder and its the best "magic school" type story I've read
Writers name is Sever Bronny and all the books are in the same universe and follow the same characters

>>19527279
As far as I can tell Skyfarrow is the only one who has translated it into English.

It starts with:

“Fang Yuan, quietly hand over the Spring Autumn Cicada and I’ll give you a quick death!”

“Old bastard Fang, stop attempting to resist anymore, today all of the major factions of justice have combined together just to destroy your devil lair. This place is already covered in inescapable nets, this time you will definitely be decapitated!”

“Fang Yuan you damn demon, just because you wanted to cultivate the Spring Autumn Cicada, you’ve gone and killed thousands of people. You’ve committed too many unforgivable, heinous sins!“

“Demon, 300 years ago you insulted me, took away my body’s purity, killed my entire family and executed my nine generations. From that moment onwards, I hated you with a burning passion! Today, I want you to die!”


and that alone is just painful for me to read. To be fair, I've never seen any webfiction I've wanted to read after trying to do so, since my earliest teenage years when I was reading DBZ fanfiction. Most self-published works are suspect at best as well. I don't have any problem with others liking it, but if it isn't something I'm personally able to enjoy, it isn't something I'll be reading. Even the manhua of it doesn't seem enjoyable.

I think Cradle is a 3/5 series at best. It's fun to breeze though, but it has a lot of problems and I don't have anything else I want to say about it which is why I haven't wrote anything since then really.

I've read over 100 light novels volumes across various series over the years and really I probably shouldn't have, but oh well. At best they're raw material to be adapted.

Wizard's First Rule is actually pretty good. I'm enjoying it more than Eye of The World for sure. Rest In Power Terry!

>>19527335
It's one of the lowest average rated more read /sffg/ books. 1 and 5 stars are common. It's very divisive.

>>19527324
You should know that that part's a joke about other xiaxia webnovels. If you'd finished the first chapter you'd see the punchline, which is that RI is the exact inverse of everything in that scene.

>>19527343
I can't see any reason to rate it 1 star aside from personal dislike of the author's politics or revenge rating from angry fans who read the whole series. The first three books are solidly executed standard fantasy.

>>19527345
I looked at the first few chapters and didn't feel any different. Though, I also haven't read any translated Chinese works that I've enjoyed either and I've finished a few.

Any science fiction books set in pic related world?

>>19527353
Stephen King's Under The Dome. Pretend it's the whole world.

>>19527353
Domeworld by Larry Niven

>>19527351
Not like I can force you to read it, but your complaints are very odd to me given some of the other shit you've read through. I guess I just don't understand your mentality.
I feel like we've had this exact conversation back when you first read it and I was equally as baffled then as I am now.
It just makes no sense!

>>19527349
The reception for the second book is much better. If only because they who didn't care for the first didn't continue on.

>>19527376
I'm looking forward to your reactions as you get deeper in. There's some interesting shit in the first trilogy you probably won't expect, but then the real fun begins...
I think I actually spent an hour ranting after I read book 6 or seven, and I literally sat down and wrote an entire essay about the series after I finally dropped it.

>>19527372
It is as it is.
I don't try to understand my mentality either.
All I know is that if I enjoy it, I do, and if I don't, I don't.
Trying to make sense of others is probably futile.

>>19527392
I haven't read it, so either you replied to the wrong post or misunderstood. I was stating what others thought about it.

>>19527398
Both true and not true, picking at incongruities is how we gain deeper understanding of the universe and ourselves. By truly understanding what you didn't enjoy, I more deeply reflect on and comprehend my own experience. Kinda like how I now perform all literary analysis by comparisons to RI, it's really useful to get insight into the thought process of story planning. For a simple example, it's extremely hard to find any novel as thoroughly pre-plotted and carefully planned as RI, events are happening millions of words later that were entirely foreshadowed and explained in depth in the first volume without it ever being obvious that anything was being foreshadowed at all.

>>19527409
meant >>19527392 for >>19527335

>>19527419
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Maybe it wasn't obvious because none of it was planned. It's very easy to make a lot of stuff seem like it was planned. That's just an assumption on your part.

>>19527392
This is how I felt after book 7 of Wheel of Time.

>>19527440
No, it was clearly planned. It's not even a matter of foreshadowing, it's blatantly explicit. And the entire story is actually very structured, do you think it's a coincidence that the first story arc is exactly 200 chapters long?
Given the habit of the author for EXTREME levels of re-writing it's possible he actually wrote the entire story before even beginning to publish it.

For reference, in the new series he started writing after he got banned he re-wrote the entire first novel 20 times from beginning to end adding and removing entire characters plotlines, and huge sections of writing. Drove all the translators insane in the process and they all quit and refuse to resume translating until he finishes writing and editing the second volume and starts on the third.

>>19527493
>do you think it's a coincidence that the first story arc is exactly 200 chapters long?
I think it's irrelevant, coincidence or not. Why would arbitrary divisions matter? I don't see why you think there's anything significant about that.

Constantly publishing drafts is very silly. Clearly he wasn't happy with it. That's inconsiderate of others at best. I don't understand why you see that as a positive.

Unfortunately, self-delusion is limitless, and we often aren't even aware of them, let alone accept them. To each their own delusions.

>>19527501
I'm just saying it's evidence of his writing style, given that he published the entirety of RI one chapter a day with no breaks or edits.
And I wasn't using hyperbole or metaphor, the later parts of the story are LITERALLY contained in the earlier parts.

>>19527526
That sounds more like recycled content than foreshadowing.

>>19527553
Not in the way you're thinking, I'm not going to explain the exact mechanism but it's obvious to anyone who read it. I'm saying it's very interesting that it's impossible to tell it's there at all and not just a normal part of the story until much later when you suddenly realize what it is. I've already basically given it away though, which sort of takes away from the impact.
But anyway, it's well structured, not just in foreshadowing but the basic foundation of the setting is extremely important and nothing that happens afterwards would be possible without it. That could be another example of planning or just very good usage of what was already there. Lots of other stories spend a tremendous amount of time explaining things that ultimately wind up irrelevant or pointless, RI is an exception in that there's very little "filler", everything presented is used, nothing is ignored. It's a well oiled machine.

The most interesting part is, as I said, comparative analysis between RI and other xiaxia to see why it's so much better. The answer is actually really simple, starting from the foundations of the setting huge classes of common issues are made impossible, and many desired plotlines and character types are made very easy and natural to implement.
>Powers are physical objects that can be traded and acquired
>Powerful items require high cultivation to use
>Cultivation requires lots of resources
>Specialization is all but required
>Direct theft is extremely difficult
>Immortality is impossible
That right there solves 99% of the issues in all xiaxia. No more meditating in a cave for 1000 years and becoming god, you have to actually go out there and do shit to get strong. No snowballing death absorption loot machine, negotiation is required to get anything you want. No random super luck items, if you're a shitter and you find something valuable you'll get merced by someone more powerful than you. No obviously superior secret skill that defeats all others, the best path is the one most suited to your personal ability.
And all from first principles.

>>19527626
Have you considered that you may have invested too much of your personal identity into this and have become overly emotionally involved?

>>19527659
Failure to fully engage with a work prevents complete understanding of it. If you can't AT LEAST say as much for anything you've read then you've never read anything well written.

>>19527666

I think you're conflating "well-written" with "personal enjoyment", but ok. There's not much else I think would be worthwhile to say, so this is my final response.

>>19525487
Good books

>>19527712
I don't see how, it's objectively well constructed. It would be more interesting if I DIDN'T like it! Which is why I'm so curious about you! I assume you've just made false assumptions for some reason, but I'd be interested in learning what those were. But you haven't actually read enough of it to explain yourself cohesively.

>Bakkerfags discuss their books
>suddenly the next few threads are filled to the brim with low effort spam
Why are you like this?

>>19527626
This seems like a LitRPG to me tho. How do people enjoy this machine translated chinese version of idk He-Man?

>>19527992
Where are the video game interfaces?

I present you: RI machine translation AKA mtl in their weird corner of the internet. Some people read this, I kid you not. Let that sink in.

>>19528013
All of the greentext, its like you are describing a fucking video game.

>>19528014
I always thought xianxia can't be good but machine translations? Holy shit. And we are expected to read these? Jesus Christ. Come back when these books are professionally translated and edited. I like my books polished. How do you even enjoy the prose with this clunky shit that doesn't even hold up to the basic English grammar?

https://reverend-insanity.fandom.com/wiki/Profound_Ice_House

Ahh, the beautiful deep worldbuilding of Reverend Insanity.
>Once enough Immortal Essence injected into Profound Ice House, the Profound Ice House will activated and went up in the air into the sky, once it was in the sky, it show its true form as a huge icy meteor. When it descends, it would crushed everything in its way.

>>19528014
Sounds interesting. I'll read it.

>>19526994
it's all front loaded into the first chapter. its more about ideology of the miltary as an institute. Fairly unstastifying conclusion.
t. finished reading it yesterday

>>19528014
That's actually MTL you retard, no one actually reads that shit.

>>19528090
>quoting a fucking wiki summary

>>19528177
So no one is reading machine translations? So someone professional has translated all over 1000 chapters of RI?

>>19528186
Yes, it's been entirely translated by paid translators.

>>19528188
Wasted effort. Xianxia is beyond help.

>>19528193
RI is better than LOTR.

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/b6py6a/the_irrationality_of_xianxia_settings_even_when/

imaging reading something that isnt even internally logical

>>19528211
>reddit
>rational
Go back.

>>19526956
that was kino man, a great punchline to end the whole thing. that book is underrated in my opinion

>>19528217
not an argument

>>19528222
It wasn't an argument, go back to r*ddit where you belong.

>>19528211
Funnily enough RI has none of those flaws.

>>19528247
It has all of them.

t. read 500 chapters already

>>19528270
Your attempts at trolling a really sub par. You should try reading Reverend Insanity. It would help you come up with better methods for provoking people!

>>19528273
Then stop replying to him.

>>19528280
Why? I find it funny to watch him squirm.

>>19528273
What chapter are you in? I've read 2200 chapters of only machine translated stuff, that is how hardcore I am. You miserable western-tainted people disgust me. For me it is only mtls. The greatest pleasure is trying to interpret what the fuck is going on with simple prose.

>>19528294
>couldn't even bother look up how many chapters there are
What's the next step of your master plan?

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/did-reverend-insanity-end.124313/

it is unfinished and banned by chinese government oh no no no

probably because it was so full of degenerate shit and they saw this would not develop strong chinese youth

>>19528296
https://novelfull.com/reverend-insanity/chapter-2200-luck-gamble.html

do tell me moretr

>>19528304
Nice joke, now how about you check again?

Before you give shit about Reverend Insanity, I suggest you read this piece from chapter 2201! Bakkerfags btfo'd

Back then, Thieving Heaven Demon Venerable had expended his own theft path dao marks to refine this gamble Gu!

Gamble Gu gave random results that could not be influenced by anyone.

Thieving Heaven Demon Venerable was special, he was an otherworldly demon who possessed otherworldly dao marks. Thieving Heaven’s space was founded on the basis of his otherworldly dao marks. Meanwhile, gamble Gu was refined with his otherworldly theft path dao marks.

Gamble Gu did not have any offensive power by itself, it was powerless no matter what the result was. But the luck gamble killer move that used it as the core was extremely dangerous.

Whether it succeeded or failed, there was no way to predict it.

But it was because of this characteristic, even Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s luck could not interfere with it.

The probability of winning the luck gamble was equal for both Immortal Zombie Giant Sun and Qin Ding Ling.

Qin Ding Ling won the previous time, now, it was Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s win.

However, Immortal Zombie Giant Sun did not feel any joy.

Because whether she lost or won, Qin Ding Ling would only profit.

The reason?

It was due to the profundity of luck path.

Luck was essentially categorized into two types: good luck and bad luck. The size of luck varied from person to person; in general, the higher the cultivation, the larger the luck.

Comparing Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s and Qin Ding Ling’s luck.

Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s luck was extremely vast, it was at Dao Lord level. There was little bad luck, while good luck occupied the majority of it.

And Qin Ding Ling?

Qin Ding Ling’s luck was far smaller than Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s. Bad luck occupied most of it, while good luck was little.

Qin Ding Ling was only a rank eight expert, her luck would naturally be smaller than Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s.

Luck was a variable! She was against a powerful enemy like Immortal Zombie Giant Sun, with the luck of all living beings influencing each other, even if she had good luck, it would be affected and turned into bad luck.

Thus, firstly, Qin Ding Ling’s luck was far smaller than her opponent’s. She was basically gambling with a smaller chip, this was a huge advantage in itself.

Secondly, Qin Ding Ling had a lot of bad luck, when it was transferred to Immortal Zombie Giant Sun, it would contaminate his luck as well.

The basis of Giant Sun Immortal Venerable’s combat system was positive and powerful luck. This had two crucial points, one was he needed to have vast luck, the other was that his luck needed to be positive, which meant the more good luck he had, the better.

If Qin Ding Ling won more and lost less in the luck gamble, Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s luck would greatly decrease.

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>>19528311
Did you actually think this extract would make us read Reverend Insanity?

>>19528311
Wow, I forgot how sensitive and emotionally unstable spammers were. I'll stop hurting his feelings and maybe he'll cry himself to sleep in a few hours and leave.

>>19528358
not an argument,
seems like the best argument against Reverend Insanity is its own texts

>>19528362
Calm down nigger, no one cares if you stay up all night obsessing over this. Feel free to read the entirety of RI though. I see you appear to not understand chapter order, I suggest you start at the number 1 and count upwards!

>>19528367
>the shit text you see above will make sense when you read through hundreds of similar chapters of senseless demonic Pokemon Go

>>19528379
Yes.Chad

>>19528388
Just ignore them.

>>19528395
Alright alright, they ran out of bait a while ago anyway.
But man, why on earth does a fucking /lit/ general have so many trolls?

>>19528388
>>19528395
they are not even trying to defend the prose and writing of RI, they know its shit and no one in their right might could argue the quality of writing is better than what average middle schoolers write

>>19528311
So this is what the chinkshit readers are recommending us to read?
> Qin Ding Ling’s luck was far smaller than Immortal Zombie Giant Sun’s. Bad luck occupied most of it, while good luck was little.
What the fuck am I reading?

>>19528468
Looks like combination of MTL and chink syntax looking retarded when directly translated to English.

>>19528541
It is as if those webnovels were never meant to be read.

https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/107478

topkek, seems like wuxia/xianxia is all just a big cope for loser beta males in china to give them the sense of being powerful and having lots of women

>I think you might be generalizing a bit... You kinda have to understand a bit more of Chinese culture to understand why most wuxia works seem so similar. It appeals to the reality of Chinese readers. It might seem kinda meh (Mostly because of the generally bad translations.) but it's a story that has appeal to it's target audience. In China, working and general life conditions for males are very, very bad. Most people work far away from home and spend the vast majority of their time either working or commuting to work/from work ( we're talking 3 hours sleep a day ). When they stop to read something, they want to see badass characters, usually getting revenge upon those who look down on them and getting all the hot girls around. I mean, it's not such a mystery. If the series wasn't popular it wouldn't even get a manhua/webtoon serialization in the first place. I would say that it's more of an acquired taste.

So in essence, its just like anime, some mindless repetitive media for losers who want to escape their loser lives

>>19528578
so it turns out things aren't too different for japanese and chinese males after all...
is this common for korean web novels as well? and other east asian stuff?

>>19528588
I've yet to receive any evidence that reading anything written East of the Ural mountains is worth my time.

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>>19528619
Do these people actually believe that sending me images of manga/anime will persuade me? I have no idea what that image is supposed to represent other than some guy and a girl and Optimus Prime behind them. I would like to remind you that I am talking about reading books here, not watching cartoons or images.

Jesus Christ, the state of xianxia is really something... None of these books are and never will be traditionally published in the west because they are boring, full of tropes, and low in quality.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasywriters/comments/4davdu/what_do_you_think_it_would_take_to_get_a_xianxia/

>>19528311
Where luck is the twist of events relative to mortal hope,
White-Luck is the twist of events relative to divine desire.
To worship it is to simply will what happens as it happens

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Get help:
https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Over-an-Anime-Addiction

>>19528592
>>19528621

>>19525416
Anon's baits and hooks, formerly (you)'s

>>19525494
>How to tell people you've never read Earthsea without telling people you've never read Earthsea.
The school lasts about 10 pages.

>>19528884
Whatever you say, gay-boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wizard_of_Earthsea
check the Influence section

>>19528884
>how to ......... without ..........
reddit

Finished re-read of Silmarillion, now into a few chapters from Unfinished Tales before hitting up Lord of the Rings for the first time in almost 20 years.

>>19529017
Based western sff literature reader

>>19527033
IIRC it's explicitly stated that most dunyain can't see sorcery and they may in fact consider it a sign of being mentally ill if a kid asked about them apprehending the onta.

I don't think The Boy ever showed it, and The Five never mention or show any aptitude or even interest in it. There is no indication that they are sorcerers. There's some slight evidence that suggest they aren't: You'd expect some kind of reaction to Kellhus performing miracles in front of their eyes, or becoming an avatar but they don't react to it at all.
They completely subdued the Consult without it, solely through their autism.

We don't even know whether you have to be one of the few to become a cishaurim either, so who knows whether Moengus is a Few.

You're straight up making things up to back your bizarre theory.

Just finished this. It was honestly better than I was expecting. Somehow I thought that this whole Bakker thing was a big ruse.

Just some thoughts:
The prose was actually amazing. You weren't joking about that part. I've never thought that a /sffg/ author could be this good.
Kellhus, as a character, is very interesting. It was fascinating to see that he has no morals and is neither "good" nor "bad"
The entire Esmenet and Achamian "arc" was brilliantly done too.
The world was Dark, but not horrible like some people made it out to be
The ending scene(s) were amazing.

I hope that the second book continues to deliver. I never felt bored.

>>19529073
Wait! Bakker wasn't a meme?

>>19529073
2nd book is my fav

>>19529039
one of the dunsult is definitely a sorceror, he uses magic on kelmomas.

I assumed the rest werent though

What am I in for?

>>19529168
Before the thorns taught me their sharp lessons and bled weakness from me I had but one brother, and I loved him well. But those days are gone and what is left of them lies in my mother's tomb. Now I have many brothers, quick with knife and sword, and as evil as you please. We ride this broken empire and loot its corpse. They say these are violent times, the end of days when the dead roam and monsters haunt the night. All that's true enough, but there's something worse out there, in the dark. Much worse.

From being a privileged royal child, raised by a loving mother, Jorg Ancrath has become the Prince of Thorns, a charming, immoral boy leading a grim band of outlaws in a series of raids and atrocities. The world is in chaos: violence is rife, nightmares everywhere. Jorg has the ability to master the living and the dead, but there is still one thing that puts a chill in him. Returning to his father's castle Jorg must confront horrors from his childhood and carve himself a future with all hands turned against him.

Mark Lawrence's debut novel tells a tale of blood and treachery, magic and brotherhood and paints a compelling and brutal, and sometimes beautiful, picture of an exceptional boy on his journey toward manhood and the throne.

>>19527292
>I suppose my favorite sagas are Harry Potter, Ender's Game, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, and Game of Thrones. I also love true-life survival tales like Into Thin Air, Shadowdivers, and Perfect Storm. As for movies, I regularly re-watch Bladerunner, Star Wars, Highlander, Aliens, Limitless, Edge of Tomorrow, Interstellar, Lost in Translation, and Margin Call.

>But I've been most inspired by Harry Potter. Seriously, because if it hadn't been for HP, I'd never have dared. I simply stood on the shoulders of a giant. Thank you for writing that story, Joanne Rowling, it was extremely re-readable. I can only hope to capture my readers' imagination as you have captured mine.

His inspirations are not bad, but kind of basic. I will keep him on my radar, very stacked bookshelf currently.

>>19529073
The second book of the first trilogy is everyone's favorite, you're in for a treat.

>>19529039
>it's explicitly stated that most dunyain can't see sorcery
Where exactly? Every pure blooded dunyain introduced so far either explicitly capable of sorcery, or not stated if he's Few or not. Only one of many thousands worldborn can, so it's no coincidence. Saw it being biology-related thing as well due to inchoroi needing to alter themselves to use it.

>>19529073
>How do we make our book marketable?
>I know! Let's put an Albanian man peeking through a gloryhole on the cover!

>>19529073
You are correct, the previous paper back edition is much better.xn04t

>>19529312
I think it was mentioned by the Survivor or someone else related to the battle for Ishual, but I don't really remember.

I think there's something in the books about sorcerers not having magical kids more often than regular people too. Otherwise the schools would probably run breeding facilities.

I think it's merely plot convenience, but maybe Bakker will pull something out of his hat.

>>19529128
You're right, I just checked it. The relevant part quoted in full:

>how the Mutilated seized a begging Kelmomas, first with sorcery, then with hands lacking five fingers

It's weird that they don't try to argue with Kellhus then. They pretty much dismiss him out of hand. Their choice is to either master the Outside, or to make it irrelevant. Will the No God make the Outside irrelevant without eradicating souls altogether? Souls seem to be intrinsically linked to the Outside and the source of the darkness that comes before. Is their ideal dunyain a soulless automaton, entirely deterministic, with self awareness but no... whatever it is that souls adds to the human condition exactly? The dunsult might actually believe that.

No dunyain seems to survive contact with the world without cracking and the dunsult probably suffered more trauma than the Anasurimbor. Through Kellhus and the Survivor we know that dunyain are as vulnerable to trauma as worldborn, but that they're arguably more blind to its effects on their decision making. So maybe they are as mentally compromised as Kellhus and make irrational decisions.

As Kellhus said, their perspectives are a result of what they found in the world.
The dunsult found tekne, so they want to master through machines, but they need to cut away those parts of reality that they have no access to through those means.
Kellhus found the Gnosis, so he has access to and can affect the entire universe, so his plans encompass all of creation, not just a tiny shard of it. This includes its own way to complete of the dunyain project: Henosis.

>Saw it being biology-related thing as well due to inchoroi needing to alter themselves to use it
I assumed that method had something to do with crafting a sorcerous soul to theirs or something along those lines, since they later created that sorcerer skin spy too. Did the inchoroi do that before, or after the the mangaecca moved in with them?
In any case I think a technological way to create sorcery would be inconsistent with the setting, since the progenitors apparently didn't have knowledge of sorcery despite having mastered all of science (that is to say, they knew all technological means could reveal about reality). Sorcery is just too useful to not use at all, especially if you want to make sure your servants are destined for hell. Imagine the kind of cant a godlike AI running on a cubic mile of far future computers could weave if magitech was a thing.
They'd not even need a space ship at that point, they'd have their own God of Gods.

>>19527055
>I have this, is it close enough?
All I know is that I tried to read Once and Future King and it was shit. If you're going to read something like the Arthurian legends then you should go for an earnest retelling of those stories. There is no point in reading a watered-down version.

>>19529073
>The world was Dark, but not horrible like some people made it out to be
I enjoyed the book but how is the setting not horrible? The (3?) kind characters are made out to be suckers repeatedly victimized, and everyone else is a hypocritical religious fanatic, rapist, baby murderer, pedophile, or glory seeker with no conscious.

I remember laughing out loud when that one woman fled her rapist and stumbled into some unrelated men on the road and they instantly wanted to rape her themselves. The world is a seething pile of rape desire and anger/violence at whores.

>>19529512
i think the sorcerous skin spy was a random mutation/chance they just happened to use

>>19525569
>Mistborn is probably the best series
How so? And are you talking about the first trilogy?

>>19529648
Baby's first contact with grimdark fantasy

>>19529168
I dropped it about 1/4 of the way in. I couldn't stand the first-person narrative and the cringy teenage narrator.

>>19525403
I got around to moving all the unsorted stuff in the mega to their proper folders. Eventually I'll have to clean it up and do some reorganizing. There's more stuff in the sff books folder now, though there isn't anything new for anyone who has looked in the monthly unsorted folders. Maybe sometime next year I'll be more active with it in general, including posting it on various other relevant boards.

zboards is a whole other mess that I may or may not ever see about.

>>19529785
Only the first trilogy. So far its his best finished trilogy that is somewhat concise and the story is mildly interesting. The Stormlight Archive is something altogether different where you have both good and bad books and we won't know yet how it all comes together.

>>19529512
I always wondered what happened to the Inchoroi's creators, and why they haven't done anything to aid their servants on Earwa. Where they all killed when the Ark crashed, or have they just been sitting on their hands for ten-thousand years.

>>19529719
The issue is that Skin Spies shouldn't be able to use sorcery because they don't have souls.

>>19529799
They are burning in Hell

>>19529512
I think you have gone too far with your bizarre theory. I suggest you reread all the seven books. You have one month time. Why one month? Trust me bro.

>>19529799
Assuming setting does not have magic causality violating time travel, which is ftl movement essentially is, and mention that ship destroyed many inhabited worlds, they are so far away in space and time it's completely irrelevant what's going on with them. They might have died out millions of years ago. Alternatively they might have put themselves into some kind of hybernation to not end up in outside, but considering how their ship AI sharted itself so hard trying to navigate next to planet it rammed ship almost perpendicularly into it, that thing has probably broke as well.

should i read the monarchies of god or nine princes in amber

>>19530125
Yes.

>>19529512
I haven't finished the last two books, but always assumed one’s ability to be a sorcerer corresponded with intelligence; i.e., the ability to apprehend the Onta.

Like, two Marked parents aren't given to have a Marked child, much in the same way that two smart parents might have a dumb child, but its somewhat more likely.

>>19530148
Finish the books.

>>19530134
ill read monarchies of god since all books are translated hehe then amber
thanks

>>19529209
The only thing that sets him apart I think is the way he writes action well. I got a vague feeling of playing DnD the way series of events played out, then I looked him up and saw he grew up playing DnD

And seriously, some parts of his first books are a little rough with the dialogue, but he gets better

>>19530169
No problem. Be sure to check Bakker at some point if you haven't already.

>>19529790
Grimderp's inability to understand my argument was about the poster defining of the setting as "not horrible" which stands.

>>19530213
the darkness that comes before was translated by our government lol
i liked it

>>19530219
I guess the definition of horrible is subjective. I waved many of those encounters where men chased whores because I know that deep down I'd be like that if I was in a similar situation. Grimdark may enhance or give much more glimpses to the dark sides of humanity. It merely one way to tell a story and a tonal choice by the author. Bakker paints a world full of dread and little hope.

>>19530227
That is incredibly based by Spain.

>>19530239
>That is incredibly based by Spain.
surprisingly actually mexico

>>19530265
I took the chances and applauded Spain. Well, good job Spain for supplying Mexico its language. Very weird indeed. Mexico is then closer to grasping the Absolute.

>>19525629
I dropped RI like a couple pages in, so I’d not recommend it

>>19530296
I am honestly interested. What made you drop the masterpiece xianxia?

>>19530320

>>19530320
What makes it a masterpiece?

i literally think the chinkshit spammeing bakker-haters (including the anon who mysteriously bakes free bread for us every single thread like clockwork) are CCP agents trying to seduce impressionable young westerners away from a native white canadian author and his critical mindset (bakker) and towards acceptance of their communist chinese ideological devilry.

>>19528294
Or trying to understand who is being spoken to when there’s like 8 characters called “emperor” in the mtl

>>19528211
This guy read like one story and wrote a shitty reddit comment

>>19530430
>>19530402
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

>>19525403
Rendezvous with Rama, based or cringe?

>>19530469
As the Mexicans would say
>Me Base

>>19530497
this isn't a taconigger thread

>>19530509

>>19530526

I finished the Golden Path, what next? Don't recommend Bakker, I am already a Bakkerchad.

>>19530694
Try xianxia

>>19530451
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Shimeh 六四天安門事件 The Momemn Shrial protests of 4132 天安門大屠殺 The Carthusal Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Yatwerist Struggle 大躍進政策 Seen taking his head off 文化大革命 The Great Unification of Aspect-Emperor 人權 Sorcerer Rights 民運 School of Maganecca 自由 Chorae 獨立 Daimos 多黨制 There is a head on a pole 台灣 臺灣 Sakarpus 中華民國 Cishaurim 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Ishual 達賴喇嘛 Dunyain 法輪功 Arkfall 新疆維吾爾自治區 Prostitutes working in Sumna in 4110 諾貝爾和平獎 Compendium of the First Holy War 劉暁波 Achamian Drusas 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Four-horned Brother 劉曉波动态网自由门

Had no idea what to replace chink runes with

>>19530759
audibly kek'd

>"On a livestream Patrick Rothfuss said if he managed to raise over $300,000 for the charity he was streaming for before he beat the Ender Dragon, he would read the prologue to Doors of Stone on-stream, but this has since been added to on his Twitter..."
>"...Rothfuss tweeted 'If folks raise $333,333 on my charity team page before I manage to kill the Ender Dragon, I'm going to do three things...
>" 'One, share the prologue of Doors of Stone on my livestream. Two, share a full chapter of Doors of Stone. Three, share a third Temerant-related secret. Perhaps the opening pages of the comic we're doing for The Boy that Loved the Moon.' "
fucking kek, just when I thought that fat redditor fuck couldn't get any more greasy

>>19530795
I just want it to come out so I can be disappointed and move on.

>>19530759
the kellhus fud was real

>>19530759
Thanks, I’ll be keeping this pasta.

>>19530884
It's great to scare off chinks that are shitting up the thread.

>>19525629
>Currently reading Reverend Insanity
About to start reading Reverend Insanity, want to see what's the big deal.

>>19530906
>>19530756
Before you dwelve into the demonic Pokemon Gu world of Reverend Insanity, let me mention a few things about it and xianxia in general.

Firstly, no one actually reads it. If you go to Goodreads you'll see the book series has only got less than a hundred reviews, only a handful of them written reviews.

Secondly, all of xianxia read in the west is self-published of webnovels. Due to their poor quality, the lack of originality, and the overall lack of any meaningful complex story. You can check out the following link for more information on this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasywriters/comments/4davdu/what_do_you_think_it_would_take_to_get_a_xianxia/

Thirdy, all of wuxia/xianxia is comparable to the herbivore males fenomenon in Japan. Poor beta loser men read these books as a way to escape their miserable lives. Protagonists in these stories are, without an exception, Gary Stues who can do anything, are immortal and every woman in the universe wants to sit on their dicks. For more info about this topic check out: https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/107478

Forthly, RI is an unfinished work and will never be finished. No, that you are going to read something that will never be completed: https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/did-reverend-insanity-end.124313/

Fifthly, Xianxia has a lots of internal problems with the very logic on which it operates. It lacks any consistency or logic. https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/b6py6a/the_irrationality_of_xianxia_settings_even_when/

Sixthly, Not all of RI is translated so you WILL encounter bad machine translations. Even the professionally translated bits won't fix the poor source material so whenever you read it you will feel like you are reading a low quality fanfiction written by a middleschooler. You may read an extract here (not machine translated, be free to pick any other chapter): https://novelfull.com/reverend-insanity/chapter-733-recognizing-one039s-own-ordinariness.html

Seventhly, Not even people in /sffg/ read this shit. See >>19525467

So in the essence what you have here is unfinished, low quality, possible machine translated, literary chinese-anime with loser beta males as its target audience. Now you are dive in to this type of "literature" or you can always read critically acclaimed, traditionally published works by authors like Gene Wolfe, Tolkien, Bakker, Le Guin, etc.

Extract from chapter 733:
>Unfamiliar face.
>Fang Yuan activated this newly obtained mortal killer move.
>Almost all the Gu worms required for this killer move were essentially purchased from treasure yellow heaven by Hu Immortal land spirit, while the last remaining portions were refined by the hairy men.

You have been warned. There are two or three people who actively promote Reverend Insanity or Cradle here. I'm just making sure you know what you are getting into.
All of this applies to ANY wuxia/xianxia and Cradle. Do not be fooled.

>>19530928
Don't care, didn't read. Going to read it next.

>>19530893
And to promote Bakker

>>19530759
This post is so underappreciated, the amount of anti-china irony in the corresponding english words of the pasta shows in the choice of Bakker-book words. Its ingenious in so many levels, especially the last one.

>>19530928
>the last remaining portions were refined by the hairy men
I'm a little bit curious about this story now. The translation is fine, this is what anime fansubs were like before crunchyroll existed.

>>19526687
The main character is so kakkoï >.<

>>19530928
>paid CCP shill bots
>”people”

>>19530988
chink

>>19530469
Very based.

I havent read them but I've been told you can ignore the sequels.

The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills.

>>19530694
Okay, I received no recommendations. I shall begin reading The Complete Chronicles of Conan. Thank you for your understanding.

Bakker

Have you loved your elf?

>>19530928
All wrong, and I don’t read RI, that’s one guy spamming it

are there any fantasy novels involving relationships between human males and orc females

>>19531242
Conan is great. If you enjoy it check out the Kane stories by Karl Edward Wagner.

>>19531490
Wild Wastes by Randi Darren

>>19531344
The Darkest KING looks pretty nice

Broken Sword revised or not revised edition?

>>19531943
>polygamy
highly cringe

I just found out that the adaptation of Terry Pratchett's Watch books got released in 2021. Apparently it was so bad nobody has clipped it on Youtube; there's just trailers and disappointed reviews.

What is it about post-2010 or post-2016 adaptations of sci-fi/fantasy series that makes them so abusive to books and fans? Foundation, Wheel of Time, The Watch... I can't think of a single adaptation aside from maybe Dune that gives a damn about the source material. And none of these things are hard to adapt either; they just have to not fuck up the writing.

>>19532152
How is that any different than it has ever been?

Are there any good books that are, like, Dresden Files if Harry decided to side with Marcone or Harry Potter if (the other) Harry decided to side with Draco?

hello I am completely new to sffg, I don't know why I am here, but I heard this is the last genre to not go "woke" so I should start reading it. I have read The Hobbit and all the Harry Potter books but I doubt you'd consider them fantasy

>>19532308
try the Conan the Barbarian stories by Robert E Howard next

>>19532308
where the fuck did you hear that

>>19532308
>but I heard this is the last genre to not go "woke"
fucking kek

>>19532308
>but I heard this is the last genre to not go "woke"
kek
>so I should start reading it
topkek

>>19532308
this book is from 1975

>>19532308
there are plenty of "Nonwoke" books out there but they are mostly form several decades ago. This was in fact one of the first genres to go woke if anything. One could argue sci-fy especially was "woke" from the get go,

I'm just starting the judging eye and there's beginning to be some tensions between the cults and nu-inrithism. I think there was something alluding to tensions before but cant remember exactly.
What im thinking though is that there should have been something anticipating this better, specifically sometime earlier in the first trilogy it would've been cool if maithanet had a theological position diminishing the importance of the cult gods, maybe even something where his detractors would accuse him of fanim-like thinking (due to emphasizing the wholeness of the god or some shit). Unless I missed something there wasn't any theological detail on what kellhus thinks of the cults.

>>19532308
God /pol/ is fucking retarded

>>19532152
I firmly believe that The Last Jedi broke big-budget SF/F movies and adaptations. Ever since that came out, it seems like everything else takes an actively adversarial, intentionally divisive stance against the fans of the original material. I think the thinking is, "Well, as long as some people like it, that's enough," because all the other negative press just gets chalked up as extra marketing.

The Watch adaptation is a different story though; I think they just fucked up and put it in the wrong hands and slid it under the rug. But everything else I blame on Star Wars. (Also to a smaller extent GOT; I think a lot of directors are insecure about the source material and feel like they have to change it to "live up to" GOT's early run.)

>>19532437
>Cults just mind their own business
>Suddenly some fucker emerges during holy war and says he's a messiah, and apparently all the veterans acknowledge him
>Cults didn't see what he did, and has much less reasons to acknowledge him
>Said fucker starts to consolidate power, through ultraviolence
>Flashback to when cults of separate gods got consolidated under Inrithism (reason Yatwer cult is not allowed to practice as they want for example)
>He keeps writing new doctrine out of his ass and sending his stooges to massacre everyone who doesn't like it, which they are happy to do
They obviously won't be happy at all with this shit. And that's just one reason, another is a spoiler.

>>19532152
>What is it about post-2010 or post-2016 adaptations of sci-fi/fantasy series that makes them so abusive to books and fans?
How old are you? They are ALL fucking terrible with very, very few exceptions like the LOTR movies. That wasn't the first discworld adaptation and it wasn't the first one that everyone hated. The only difference is the wokeshit angle being an excuse/defense.

>>19532475
I don't know about that. I think a lot of the best scifi movies came from novels. Fantasy has always been shafted because it's hard to film, but on the rare occasions it's gotten a big budget and was faithful (LOTR, HP, GOT up until the end of ASOIAF) it's even done pretty well. It's definitely been getting worse in the past few years.

Why are you reading gay chinese number simulators when you could be reading Journey to the West in all its classical glory and richness?

>>19532446
>I think a lot of directors are insecure about the source material and feel like they have to change it to "live up to" GOT's early run.
which is very funny seeing how those early season are the one who most closely followed their source material.

>>19532437
>>19532465
The Aspect-Emperor really coasts off the legwork he put in creating the Three Seas in the Prince of Nothing series, there's a lot more detail given to the Three Sea, their people and their faith in the first three books. It's understandable because his scope, and the world itself, has completely changed, but all the focus on the Great Ordeal and Akka's slog really dragged the colour out of the world in my opinion. The same is true with the Momemn sections.

>>19532390
It was certainly at the forefront of feminist, progressive, and alternative political literature but wasn't nearly as ideologically possessed to the point it's nothing but outright propaganda. It's lost the dark side that speculative fiction brings to any issue.

>Read Arcane Ascension
>Main character is suddenly gay 60% of the way in
>Read Mage Errant
>Secondary character is suddenly gay on the last page of the 2nd book
Its all so tiresome

>>19532707
Only because you're determined for it to be tiresome. It's a self-inflicted wound.

>>19532723
I stopped reading Jewel of the Endless Erg 40% of the way in because it's poorly written. The gay reveal on the last page I read about in reviews only soldified my impression.

>>19532742
The author got shit on by that sudden gay shit and whine about it losing money and views.

>>19531490
There are a lot of tv shows about human orc relationships. Some of them aren't even fantasy shows.

>>19532723
The malaise inherent to the gay perspective is tiresome. Except it's never about fags having faggy thoughts and doing gay shit, it's tokenism.

>>19532748
>How shall I improve my story? Shall I add depth and mystery to characters' motivations? Shall I challenge their abilities and thought processes and see where that leads the story? Should I improve my pacing? No, I will make a character gay.

>>19532784
Assuming it's a substitution for any of that is only what you believe.

Read Cradle

>>19532874
Based. I need to finish reading Traveller's Gate, which is Cradle but worse. But at least I haven't read it yet.

>>19530759
kek

>>19529168
It was ok. Had some cool scenes and settings. Narrator was a bit over the top. Plot doesn't totally move smoothly. I found it enjoyable enough to finish, but I don't think I'll get the next one.

>>19529039
They use magic in the book. Not only that, but they also mention casually killing one of the original human Consult super sorcerers for not going by their decisions. How exactly are the five btfoing the head of the Consult and killing them with wrecked bodies without sorcery?

Only one uses it "on screen," but the implication is obviously that they have surpassed the Consult in power, not through manipulation, because they aren't ruling behind the scenes, but lording over them.

On an unrelated note, as for Kellhus not being dead, I feel this is kind of obvious too. Why else would Ajokli be freaking out looking for him? He'd be dead and in the outside. But instead Ajokli comes back to Earth.

In the part where he tells Proyas about the God of Gods and remembers going to the Outside he also has an internal monologue about how his wife and kids are all about to die, so it seems he saw at least the defeat of the Ordeal coming.

I would be happier if it was something like him being dead though because nI increasingly hated Kellhus towards the end and almost wanted the Consult to win, or at least kill him.

>>19532874
I read Unsouled, but never bothered to read on. I realized I'd rather the protagonist just let the catastrophe happen because there is no one in his entire society I want to see keep living.

>>19529512
they can clearly see sorcery, what the survivor recounts is that is made no sense to them and collapsed their whole world view, and caused them to just sit there while they were mowed down. There is a whole section on them killing in singers in the Thousand Thousand Halls, obviously they aren't insensate to it. Kellhus has a similar wtf reaction in the first few pages of the series but he gets over it.

>>19532925
Yeah that's the problem with book 9. When he goes back you realize he shouldn't have wasted his time.

>>19532925
>>19532939
I remember laughing my ass off when I finished book 1 and I realized that all the problems in his life were caused by ignorant people who don't know anything about the outside world.

>>19532982
Yeah, Sacred Valley is actually the front gate to a prison and the people living there are basically the wildlings beyond the wall living in a place no one in their right mind would ever want to set foot in.

>>19532707
Don’t read things written by a wh*te

>>19529199
posting cherrypicked excerpts is such a based way to btfo series. Martin never recovered from >sunset found her squatting and i appreciate you continuing the tradition. Unironically guffawing at your posts friend. also yes prince of thorns is terrible

>>19532446
>I firmly believe that The Last Jedi broke big-budget SF/F movies and adaptations. Ever since that came out, it seems like everything else takes an actively adversarial, intentionally divisive stance against the fans of the original material
Rise of Skywalker desperately scrambled to suck the fan's cocks in the clumsiest ways imaginable ("somehow Palpatine has returned" and sidelining most of the movies' main cast other than Rey, Luke and Kylo, along with ignoring or outright retconning plotlines previously established in TLJ) precisely because people had this reaction and, more importantly, because it failed to print as much money as Disney wanted. The result was an absolute dogshit movie that performed worse than every other main series Star Wars title both financially and critically

What other big budget SFF adaptations have even come out post-Last Jedi? Ready Player One is a very similar flavor of slop to the book and even if it isn't a good adaptation or movie I don't think you can say it's "adversarial". Annihilation wasn't adversarial. Not Bumblebee either. Not the new Ghostbusters (the 2016 one is pre-Last Jedi and nobody liked it). Not Godzilla vs. Kong if you even count that. Not Alita. I can't speak for Mortal Engines since I didn't watch them, but I never see people here complain about them so I'm guessing they're bad for different reasons. Not Solo, even.

So aside from the couple of TV shows the dude already listed (and I have watched none of them so I can't talk for those) that leaves, what, the Netflix Witcher show? Birds of Prey? My impression is that you're talking about a very short-lived phenomenon in the mid-2010s that probably stopped in large part because of the movie you're citing as its beginning.

This is particularly weird to see because the anon you're quoting is saying Dune is one of the main examples of adaptations that *don't* do this, yet this entire website was shitting and crying about it for months and months ever since the reveal that Liet-Kynes was going to be a woman, and also how the stillsuits supposedly looked terrible, and there were male Bene Gesserit and Zendaya was going to hog the spotlight etc etc. It seems to be that 4chan and a certain section of the culture wars will *always* react in this way to any adaptation that vaguely smells of wokeism anywhere.

>>19533099
Oh, I just remembered one, Netflix Cowboy Bebop. Even that one I don't think is "adversarial" or "divisive" so much as it is just absurdly bad

>>19533099
>What other big budget SFF adaptations have even come out post-Last Jedi?
Weird to know that the Jumanji sequels did better than star wars.

>>19533127
>Jumanji sequels did better than star wars.
They were fun. That’s it. The Star Wars weren’t even entertaining. I mean, even Star Wars choreography was dogshit in the last Jedi with Rey and Kyle fighting the red guards.

>>19533141
>Star Wars choreography was dogshit in the last Jedi with Rey and Kyle fighting the red guards.
I remember the webm being posted. How that shit got past the editing is just surprising.

https://youtu.be/C3HMz25LvnY

>>19533147
And to think, the knights of ren is even worse than this.

>>19533150
>the knights of ren is even worse than this.
Disney doesn't give a fuck. It's surprising how they destroyed the franchise so fast. Even the videogames are shit, with the exception of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order

>>19533099
>Rise of Skywalker desperately scrambled to suck the fan's cocks in the clumsiest ways imaginable ("somehow Palpatine has returned" and sidelining most of the movies' main cast other than Rey, Luke and Kylo, along with ignoring or outright retconning plotlines previously established in TLJ) precisely because people had this reaction and, more importantly, because it failed to print as much money as Disney wanted.
The sequel trilogy was never planned out. That’s why they’re terrible. For whatever reason, they decided to scrap George Lucas planned sequel that had potential to be okay, to this. God, I miss George Lucas.

>>19533172
>God, I miss George Lucas.
I remember people shitting on him for the prequels and saying the sequels would be better without him, I want to see their reactions to the sequel trilogy so bad.

>>19533147
None of this new garbage will ever be as cool as this cinematic and that makes me sad https://youtu.be/mm4JEZudf0c

>>19533167
>Even the videogames are shit, with the exception of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order
Forget about the games and focus on the toys. They haven’t been selling them. You would think children would buy them, but nope. There’s dozen of YouTube videos about it.

New thread
>>19533186

>>19533182
Even the PS2 Battlefront 2 campaign was better than the movies
https://youtu.be/iWOq1Tg-Jdw

>>19533190
It’s staggering how much Bakkerfags samefag.

>It’s staggering how much Bakkerfags samefag.