/lit/ - Literature

>>19517036
does anyone have born to fear ebook? it's unfindable.

>>19517036
He is one of 3 US living authors who got published by Penguin Classics.

>>19517036
What no pussy does to a mf. You transcend above the material realm into genius territory, but what you disover there is MALIGNANTLY USELESS.

no, pessimism is an adolescent philosophy and anyone who decides not to commit suicide but realizes "dude all this bad shit is happening" should resolve to do good and live life as best and optimistically as they can. or commit suicide. the only ligotti will accomplish with his reddit book is giving normies depression which seems counterproductive.

>>19517264
Ligotti ever talked about pussy in his interviews? I think he took the sacred vow of Virginity in the tradition of Mainländer.

He's a very good writer. Maybe the best living writer.

>>19517288
He said (or wrote) something along the lines of:
>only a retard would want to experience the horror of romantic love twice
Meaning he got his dick wet but probably got cucked and went celibate. Hard to argue against desu.

>>19517283
>pessimism is an adolescent philosophy
Why do people equate pessimism with immaturity? Seems like a very Anglo-Saxon attitude. You will not find a single self-respecting Frenchman, for instance, who equates a positive, can-do attitude with maturity. For me pessimism is an intellectual position, arrived at via reason, approached out of a desire for lucidity and truth, and more or less disconnected from emotional depression. One can recognise that life is overall an inferno and still enjoy it without cynicism. The melancholy fatalism of the Greeks did not dampen their enthusiasm for living, and for the human body which is its most potent symbol.

But, even if that weren't the case, the attitude expressed by people like you implies that a reckoning with ugly truth is less "mature" than a dishonest accommodation to it. Often those who denigrate pessimists also esteem religion - but more out of bourgeois sensibility than actual mysticism. For the entire project of religion is to reject worldly compromises and illusions and to fully recognise the abject condition of man. Religion has spawned some of the bitterest pessimists known to history - many of the most able diagnosticians of life's terribleness have been recruited from the ranks of the saints. Atheism does not have a premium on nihilism. It is in fact the religious tradition most eager to avoid it. Western atheists, as a collective, are naive optimists: Promethean utopians who worship Man and Progress. It would be better for them if they were nihilists. As it stands many of them are less lucid than the religious primitives they think they have transcended. As Stirner observed, "our atheists our pious people."

>>19517305
>>only a retard would want to experience the horror of romantic love twice
Kek, based

Ligotti looked okay in his youth and considering that he is an artfag, he must have got his dick wet.

>>19517321
>Why do people equate pessimism with immaturity?

because anybody who has grown the fuck up will realize that it is a subject unworthy of your attention if you choose to go on living. for example, the conspiracy against the human race is a useless book, because people who read it already agree with it and people who disagree with it won't read more than a few pages. if this is the philosophy that produces useless books, why is it worth your time? it isn't, and a person's time on this earth is limited. one of the lessons of maturity is learning not to waste time on nonsense i.e. useless books.

>but you're shitposting on 4chan!

sure for a few minutes but imagine reading pessimistic books for hours on end as a major part of your life and having it be your main philosophical bent lol, couldn't be me. i already know everything is cold and dark and evil but i'm not going to let some dork who looks like a fat lesbian lay down all the gruesome details to me, who cares, it's immaterial to any future action (besides perhaps instilling a little more compassion toward the unfortunate, but again, anyone who is a pessimist probably already thinks this way) and so people who spend a bunch of time on it are like teenagers enthralled by that time they got rejected for the senior prom. yes, everything is shit, it's a very basic, juvenile sentiment, and merits no further investigation beyond what to do with your own life in such a world.

>>19517384
This argument in its totality applies on all types of literature not just pessimism you failed normalfaggot.

>>19517447
no it doesn't. evelyn waugh literally changed my life in a positive way and i would be a completely different person if i didn't read brideshead revisited in 2011.

>elaborate

no.

>>19517460
>no it doesn't.
Yes it does you merchant minded bugman. Art has nothing to do with utility, it is useless as Oscar Wild said it.

>Those who love life do not read. Nor do they go to the movies, actually. No matter what might be said, access to the artistic universe is more or less entirely the preserve of those who are a little fed up with the world.

Michel Houellebecq

>>19517484
>Oscar Wild

>>19517484
>Art has nothing to do with utility, it is useless as Oscar Wild said it.

everything you do involves utility whether you are cognizant at the time or not, i don't give a shit what some aesthete sophist has to say on the matter. and houellebecq, while a good writer, is a spastic cigarette gremlin who shouldn't be taken too seriously either. normies don't go to movies? what does that even mean?

>>19517496
So Anglo-Saxon assumption was right. Not everyone is a monolingual.

>>19517528
Go enjoy your life boomer, stop wasting it arguing with a pessimist on a Mongolian wanking forum

>normies don't go to movies? what does that even mean?
They're little fed up from life.

>>19517300
Based

>>19517321
>One can recognise that life is overall an inferno and still enjoy it without cynicism.
Yeah this isn't what anti-natalists think though. Ligotti and others CHINP OUT when you suggest they commit suicide, they come up with a laundry list of bullshit excuses... who can take them seriously?

>>19517036
is that don delilo?

Ligotti fucked my gf in college. AMA

>>19517091
It hasn't been uploaded to any of the filesharing sites yet

>>19517239
>penguin classics
Elaborate marketing strategy, nothing else. If True detective never came out, it would never happen. He is still great nevertheless.

>>19517340
I saw a comment on reddit from a former female coworker of his, she said he was a big sweetie with great hair and that all the women at the office liked him, and also later when she read his books that she couldn't believe somebody like him could be walking around with those thoughts in his head.

>>19520766
>great hair
I never really noticed till now but yeah, that's great hair.

>>19517036
EYYYYYYY IT'S LIGOATTI DA GUY FROM BOASTON

>>19520766
>also later when she read his books that she couldn't believe somebody like him could be walking around with those thoughts in his head
Holy shit

>>19520766
Source???????????

Also does anyone know who that woman is he dedicated My work is not yet done to? I've only read in an interview from the early 2000s that he doesn't have a partner and doesn't want one.

>>19522249
>>19522290
Here you go lads, good thing I basically never clear my search history
https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/lnhq4p/thomas_ligotti/

>>19522290
Somebody who helped him with either research or translation work for Conspiracy, if you google her name you can find some research papers with her name attached if I remember right

>>19523488
Kek, this is perfect. Instead of drowning in his imaginary cosmic nihilism and horror, dude could have banged all the office sluts at his work. Many such cases!

>>19523488
Thanks man

Is Death Poems pdf available?

>>19517283
You could solve pessimism by refuting nihilism. Not such an easy task is it? As it stands currently, it's not unreasonable to subscribe to a pessimistic philosophical worldview as the realization of nihilism slides into place in a person.

>>19523507
There's an epub/pdf of all his collected works put together on libgen, the death poems are at the very end of it

>>19523553
What happened to Ligotti's new poetry book which David Tibet was going to publish this year?

>>19523560
No idea. I only just heard of it for the first time a few days ago.

>>19523488
Lmao this has to be fake it's just too good to be true

Also since we're already talking about hidden Ligotti lore, does anyone have the lost xfiles script or the Andrew Wk emails?

>>19524072
He wasn't always super depressed, he could be pretty funny when he wanted to

>Man meets vampire in a church. The vampire turns out to be a priest.
>Optimism is a shield; pessimism a sword. Both have a deep crack in them.
https://onlinereadfreenovel.com/thomas-ligotti/page,74,70107-the_collected_short_fiction.amp

>>19517036
>everything is meaningless and nothing has any inherent qualities
>but it's also negative

>>19524281
He never said this