/lit/ - Literature

>>19514582
Any books like the OP image?

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19514603
TELL ME

>>19514582
This image is stupid, a thing that big should be visible well before it’s on top of you.

>>19514566
>him being retarded
Wow its almost like he's an actual person with flaws.
All his actions have realistic and catastrophic consequences down the road
> Keeps pushing his friend away while ostensibly causing both his love interests to die without explaining anything to him
> gets betrayed and stabbed by that friend
> Ally with someone everyone warns is a madman who will betray him just because Darrow thinks he's useful.
> Gets betrayed and rekt at his moment of triumph
> Commits genocide on an allied faction to weaken them
> warcrimes get found out a decade later and they come to kick his shit in at his lowest point
There aren't that many Golds. Only 40 million in a solar system with like 18 billion people in it, which is a tiny percentage.
Obviously you didn't read the series because then you'd know there ARE color revolts and they get completely crushed every time.
Anyway do you really expect non-obsidian castes to revolt? None of them are built for combat, and no single color can effectively rebel since the Society is constructed such that every caste is needed to function.

>>19514612
Water is very, very good at blocking light

It looks like a vagina and I want to fuck it

>>19514603
How can a man be this hot?

>>19514623
Sounds like the series is interesting and well thought out. I’ll check it out.

>>19514623
Yeah, I don't really get the complaint of Darrow being a Gary Stew when he constantly fucks shit up. He's OP when it comes to fighting or leading combat but then kind of shit otherwise.

Also on Dark Age:

I really hope Fa is more interesting than just a slave to the Fear Night. The outer belt Obsidians seem scary as fuck, but if they are just part of the Society then the story doesn't shift much. I'm hoping it will be more of a four way war between the Belt, the Republic, the Society remnant, and the Obsidian. Would be nice to see Atalantia actually killed by her supposed pet. Also, cannot fucking wait for the inevitable Darrow versus Fa throw down.

Shit, now that I think of it, are there five factions with the Jackel? Plus the Ref Hand as a minor one?

Was very pleased Lyria chapters got good again too.

[/spoilers]

I will forgive Red Rising it's somewhat fantastical plot points at times for having the best battles in the genre.

>>19514623
It's stupid because his greatest blunders come after getting his shit kicked in and crawling back to the top.

I know that the entire system is trying to ape the Roman society. But the Roman society was pretty good to it's citizens. The Republic had ample opportunity for social ascension.

>>19514669
It's not that he's a Gary Stu. It's that most times he fucked up, it was after him resolving himself. Fuck, the third book "twist" even plays on this.

>>19514669
That's way too much of a clusterfuck to be convincingly resolved in one book.
My prediction is that
The whole solar system's gonna collapse into planetary nation states. The protagonists' dream of democracy straight up doesn't work, and there's hints of planetary nationalism at the end of Dark Age. Lysander's probably going to fracture the Society remnants in a civil war once he finds out how truly degenerate the inner-system Golds are and what they did to his family and love interest. Darrow's likely going to die after crushing his enemies, leaving every faction is complete ruins such that every planet's going to secede and have their own government.

>>19514696
>The whole solar system's gonna collapse into planetary nation states
It should've been like that from the start.

>>19514695
>his greatest blunders come after getting his shit kicked in and crawling back to the top
How is this a criticism? The higher he reaches, the more spectacular his fall is. In any case, he doesn't ever make the same mistake twice, he always learns from them. It's just that his enemies are actually competent and keep finding new ways to beat him despite him being basically Alexander the Great reborn.
What's the fuckup in the third book? If you're referring to the false flag attack, it wasn't really a blunder, it was a calculated move on his part that didn't really pan out in the long-term.

>>19514720
In the third book, the fuckup is the plot twist.

Red Rising wins points for me for Brown putting out a good book a year. And an 900 pager before a longer break.

Meanwhile, I read Game of Thrones back in 2007 and have been waiting a decade since DoD. Then I got memed into Bakker by this place, actually did really, really enjoy it, but now the dude has disappeared after a giant cliff hanger...

>>19514737
Oh you mean the retarded 'twist' of him getting fake betrayed by Cassius and ending with his arm cut off? Yea that's a fucking terrible plot point and PB likely did it because a massive caste revolution can't be resolved in one book.

>>19514696
I mean that would make sense, but I can't see anyone killing the God made war that is Darrow unless they nuke him. But they're dumb honor society will make them duel him and die in waves sorta like with Cassius killing a whole cadre of elite Rim Golds because of muh honor

Just finished Reaper for the first time

KINO

>>19514752
Given the trend, i'm guessing he'll get killed via betrayal. I love how the example of rim's 'honor' actually shows their hypocrisy since even though they claim a 1v1 is honorable, there was no way Cassius would have been able to win against an endless number of challengers. Even the 'honorable' Rim is still degenerate at its core. Its ironic how the only true Iron Golds seem to be Darrow, a red, and Cassius, a broken homeless man.

what is is with bakker and "fairly"

I'm gonna do it. I'll write another book. This one's going to be adult fantasy. I won't use the word grunted for every other dialogue tag like the lately popular Mr. Gwynne. My protagonist will not appreciate their own badassery in a mirror on the first page as in the work of the disgraced Mr. Sykes. My last novel took me a couple months to draft, and this one will be longer but I think I can do it better and faster. Pray for me because clearly knows what the fuck they are doing in this business in this current year.

>>19514751
That last twist in Morning Star was a bit hackneyed, but the rest made up for.

The other twists I liked. You kept thinking you were reading one type of book on one path, and then the script flips.

In terms of pure, solid surprise, the end of Golden Sun is by far and away the best though.

Brown also had the good sense for a time skip unlike GRRM.

>>19514757
>Volume 10
Is the journey even worth it?

Humanity invented robots and were used for a labour force as slaves, they were very sophisticated but weren't conscious
There were millions of robots spread throughout a multi system empire slaving away
400 years later humanity invents a conscious self aware and very advanced robot and after demonstrations of the fact that it feels, is conscious, has emotions, etc humanity decides to elevate it's rights to that of humanity essentially
Now there are thousands of these conscious robots, what do they think about the millions of robot slaves? Do they sympathise with them? Do they exist as a reminder of how precarious their position is to the robots or do they simply not care and embrace the robot labour force as being something which they will benefit from?

>>19514934
How do you feel about monkeys?

>>19514603
Is he transitioning?

>32 years on and the TechnoCore's oppression literally just seems like every other "free" online service or app.
Seriously, seemed like a fair trade off aside from the genocide later.

>>19514669
There was almost too much shit going on in Dark Age. It's riveting but it gets exhausting. The pacing is just so rapid.

Gotta agree with the NPR review of it:
>Brown's plots are like a depth charge of nitromethane dropped in a bucket of gasoline. His pacing is 100% him standing over it all with a lit match and a smile, waiting for us to dare him to drop it.

I heard the film was canceled for TV rights but did that go anywhere?

>>19514924
I'm going to say more or less the same thing that an anon said here 1 month ago and that convinced me to start reading: "It's not well written but it's fun, there's no ssjw crap or affected by politics and nonsense that most authors try to put it in books nowadays"

its fun to read, look fun, have fun

>>19514969
Forgot my pic, this TechnoCore.

>>19514757
>>19514924
>>19514971
They're short, quick-paced, fun reads with plenty of laughs and moments of hype. Except for books #1 and 9.

Honest to god, who likes litRPGs? They're literally the laziest plot shortcut to allow your mc to become overpowered without anything interesting happening

>>19515029
i was thinking about starting this litRPG

>>19515031
why

>>19515038
idk im bored
tell me something to read then

>>19515046
How much of a time commitment are you willing to make

>>19515046
Project Hail Mary was pretty great

>>19515046
The Dragon Masters

>>19515050
i finished the cradle 10 books in 1 month, i can read all day if i want (i dont have work or college atm)

>>19515051
>>19515068
I'll take a look, ty

>>19515046
Children of Light

I want to get the Gormenghast trilogy, which version should I get? Illustrated version, or the version with introductory essays? Are all the illustrations in the essay edition? And are the Folio Society editions worth it? Pic related.

>>19514973
>Oh noes bad aliens are coming, gotta go through this mysterious portal found in a ruin.

Don't remember much from that book, just remember it was not that good and way over hyped.

>>19515029
it's like any writing, cradle is objectively shit but it is a power fantasy that people want, not literary prose. It all depends what you are reading for, also most litrpg's are written quite poorly.
>>19515031
for example is just about a guy who gets isekai'd and spouts socialism while leveling up at a snails pace.

>>19515633
so u are sayingsomething like
"the avengers are objectively shit but are fun for the people that watch"
and then goes on with every type of midia?

>>19515633
Cradle's writing is fine

>>19514582
Any suggestions for books published this year?
I'm considering reading more books published this year, but I don't really feel like looking for more, though I probably will. I've already read 17 works published this year.

>>19515029
Based on their popularity in the West and in Japan, a considerable number of people. The Japanese ones can be especially egregious by having the protagonist be the strongest in the world within the first couple pages.

>>19515755


"From far away, Suriel watched a rain of orange lightning fall across the eastern hemisphere of the planet, scorching it to bare rock in seconds. Dull gray vessels drifted away, bearing most of the people and objects of any significance.

Around the planet, war raged.

Vroshir defended their ships’ retreat with protective workings, barriers, guardian beasts the size of moons, and shields that could block exploding stars.

Abidan attacked to seize the ships, lances of blue as they drew on the Way to reinforce their attacks with absolute authority. But it was too late; millions had died in the planetary barrage, and the Iteration’s relationship to the Way was weak.

Color-swirling portals bloomed in front of the ships as they prepared to leave through the Void.

Drifting in endless sapphire light outside the Iteration, Suriel tapped into her mantle and reverted the world towards a state of order."

>>19514757
>>19514971

Cradlefags must hang. Go read some actual sci-fi/fantasy material, not western “anime” shit.

>>19515843
>>19515853
cradle is fun, im having fun
seethe

>that brainlet who doesn't think Yatwer is strong

pretty sure she was stated to be, even if she wasn't she's worshipped by one of the biggest segments of the population, slaves/losers/poorfags

>>19515867
"
She wrestled him down, and initially she overpowered him. Until four Enforcer techniques flowed through him, and then he broke her grip, seized her by the shoulders, and shoved her back down into her chair.

Now that he stood over her for once, he glared down. “How injured do I look to you?”

Not at all, she had to admit. Her brother was a compact and heavily muscled man, which fit his Book with its many Enforcer techniques. He looked healthy as ever, ready to wrestle a bear, and his purple eyes had a sharp gleam."

>>19515867
Pretty based. Just read what you enjoy.

kino

>>19515843
>>19515903
You not liking something does not make it bad, anon.

>>19514582
>>Discord
>Never going to be created.
someone's going to spill the beans one day

>>19516015
Yes it does

>>19513727
The moments when the world is sealed don't exist on the outside, the God's can't percieve it at all. To them it's just like there's discontinuity in time, first it's before the No-God, then immediately after it, nothing inbetween.
But all other moments exist at once. So if Kellhus plans to become a God, he'll have to die while the world is unsealed, and would presumably already exist even before his own death. This means the MOST IMPORTANT THING is that he CANNOT allow himself to die while the No-God is active! Given the extreme danger in Golgoterroth, with all the Consult and Dunyain sorcerors, it's impossible for him to trust his ability to ensure his life there. So the instant the No-God was about to be activated he had to immediately die as fast as possible, i.e. be salted by a chorae.
Assuming his plan is the simple and obvious "become a ciphrang and then have all my followers worship me to become a god" then the best possible outcome is for all the other gods to be DEAD! As in, he plans to go outside, seal the world, kill EVERYONE except his own worshippers, then UNSEAL the world and be the Solitary God. So he needs to play both sides at once. If the Consult loses, then the world will never be sealed and he'll be drowned out by an army of White Luck Warriors while attempting to exterminate all opposing cults. But if the Consult wins, they'll NEVER unseal the world, and certainly will never worship a ciphrang.
He needs to, in order
>amass a large militant cult capable of defeating the consult
>have the consult be forced to activate the No-God
>have his followers/the consult kill everyone else besides his personal cult
>have his personal cult destroy the consult and deactivate the No-God
Remember that as of the end, barring the consult, ALL SORCERERS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOLLOW HIM AND ALL RELIGIOUS CULTS ARE CUT OFF FROM THEIR GODS AND POWERLESS!

>>19516175
honestly kino

>>19516151
Based, you have cracked the code.
T. not Bakker

currently reading Use of Weapons and enjoying it. I like the gimmick of half the chapters being chronological and the other half chronologically backwards.
I also liked Player of Games. Consider Phlebas was a bit meh.

any experiences about the other Culture books? which ones to read, which ones to avoid?

>>19516492
I have no experience on any Culture books. I recommend you read none of them and avoid all of them. I recommend you read instead The Darkness That Comes Before, The Warrior-Prophet, and The Thousandfold Thought.

I want to write something "like Star Wars" but I'm not even sure what that means. What kind of books would you say are Star Wars-like?

>>19516492
I feel like I've read partially through a few by accident and either stopped reading partway through or just completely erased the rest from my memory. All I can recall is the entire idea being incredibly unpleasant and condescending. Reminds me of animal farm but in space, except not even the author seems to realize what a nightmarish dystopia he's created.

>>19516580
Any science fiction fantasy that has a vast number of aliens in it, but probably you should stop the fantasies about writing anime Star Wars and instead read Bakker.

>>19516580
https://www.goodreads.com/genres/space-opera

>>19516591
I think the author very clearly shows the dystopian elements of the Culture. In Player of Games, the main character is pretty devastated in the end, when he finds out he's also been played the whole time. In Consider Phlebas, the main character backs a bloodthirsty race of religious zealots who want to conquer everything they can get their hands on, because he thinks the Culture is worse.
You have to be a complete retard the read these books and think the Culture is great. At least on the same retard level as Elon Musk.

>>19516615
There seem to be an awful lot of retards out there then.

>>19516622
welcome to reality

>>19516165
>>19516175
Why do trannies love these so much?

>>19516492
I can't take visions of materialistic utopias seriously, because people who write them do not understand human nature and can't grab a notion that even with all material wants imaginable being satisfied, zero sum game against other humans for social status and power does not go away but becomes more acute instead. Not to mention degradation of intellect and sentience that happens when there is no pressure or danged from environment.

>>19514582
Guess I'll ask here: does anyone has the /lit/ pic of the recommended books in the Dune series?

>>19516765
just read Frank Herbert's books and not any of his son's.

>>19516765

>>19516781
Nice, thank you

Fuck maps
Fuck world building
Fuck martin
Fuck rothfuss
Fuck sanderson
Fuck all female authors
Fuck magic systems
Fuck the chosen one
Fuck sagas
Fuck trilogies
Fuck chronicles
Fuck sequels
Fuck prequels
Fuck female protagonists
Fuck multiple POVs
Fuck magic swords
Fuck fetishized violence
Fuck grimdark
Fuck chinkshit
Fuck empires
Fuck traveling parties
Fuck terrible romance
And fuck medieval settings

>>19516817
b-but i like maps

I recently found a few old fantasy books from the 80s at the used book store. They have half-naked people on them and look like they'd be schlock, but they've all been surprisingly good. I've always avoided stuff from the 80s because I assumed it would be generic conan ripoffs without any unique qualities, but I was wrong.
Anyone have some recommendations from that era? The authors I've read and enjoyed were Louise Cooper, Roger Zelazny and John Varley. I also read the first few books of Gor a long time ago and thought it was surprisingly well-written, if the world was a bit strange at times, with random talking sentient creatures and what-not.

>>19516151
Based.

I just finished this after all the noise around this guy and I have to say it was very good. Don't understand the hate around the author.

4.5/5

>>19516951
Sweet Sejenus!. Now go for the next books, the second book in the trilogy is the best.

Need some input here, for those who have read Joe Abercrombie:

Would you recommend "The Heroes" as the first book to read to somebody who doesn't read much fantasy?


I want to introduce a friend of mine into the First Law series and I know that he would love it for the military fantasy aspects alone.
The first book might be a bit too drawn out to get him hooked and Red Country/Sharp ends cointain too many spoilers, especially with the Logen arcs.

The Heroes seems to be disconnected enough from the main characters arcs of First Law, so I thought it would be a good introduction into the world and the general tone of First law without spoiling too much.

>>19517023
Witcher is a really fast paced stuff that also has military stuff in it.

>>19514612
>can see it looming
That's even worse.

>>19514971
Oh wow. It's cultivation. I never would've thought a westerner would be writing about cultivation.

>>19514694
Absolutely.

>>19515853
Based. Why do Cradlefags keep polluting this board with their faggy weeb shit.

>>19516492
Do you need to read Consider Phlebas before reading Use of Weapons?

>>19517324
It's the unholy fusion of chinkshit and YA.
So you get awkward forced romance, cringe humor, AND souless bugman powerlevelling autism. And instead of xiaxia ultraviolence you get coldsteel the hedgehog.

>>19517338
no. the books are completely independent.

>>19516492
>I also liked Player of Games. Consider Phlebas was a bit meh.
Seen that opinion a few times, cannot understand why. Player of Games was IMO the most bland and boring of the Culture books, while Consider Phlebas had really interesting ideas in it (though maybe a little too much edge). Excession is probably my favorite one, along with Use of Weapons.
>>19516615
I do think the Culture is great. Yes, it has many flaws and is certainly not morally perfect. But I would give much to be able to live there.
>>19517338
No, you can read them in any order. People say Player of Games is the best for introducing you to the setting, but see above.

>>19516175

depressed basement dweller browses 4chan website

>>19517422
>People say Player of Games is the best for introducing you to the setting, but see above.
The "setting" being the universe? Is Use of Weapons set during the same time?

>>19517023
If you want to recommend him military fantasy then put him on to Glen Cook’s Black Company series. If you can find the books individually they are all fairly short easy reads.

>>19517446
>The "setting" being the universe?
Yes, IIRC it has more explanation on what the Culture is, how it works etc. The other books expect you to know such things or figure them out from context.
> Is Use of Weapons set during the same time?
The Culture is a massive galaxy-spanning civilization. The main character of one book appears for a bit in another one, but otherwise there's almost no character or event overlap beyond background references. The stories are separated by hundreds of years.

Are you ready?

>>19516817
>Fuck maps

Coming across pretty globo here anon

>>19517778
>taking the word of an avowed schizo-poster

He has literally said he was talking off the cuff lmao, no basis beyond schizo numerology and "dramatic impact" whatever that means.

>>19517910
Let me dream for 2 weeks please

>>19504549
This is about the schism in the church

Has anyone here read the Reckless series by Cornelia Funke and if yes, are they any good?

Is the Last Kingdom series or any of Bernard Cornwell's other works worth reading?

*ahem*

The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills.

>>19517910
Are you saying this because you're familiar with said person or because you think that's the case?

when will we stop forcing the bakker meme and acknowledge the true philosopher king of fantasy?

>>19518255
Who??

>>19518035
Mediocre

>>19516817
>Fuck maps


Weird pronouns detekted

>>19518255
Jerry Nicegreat

>>19517778
Thanks for giving me false hope for the next three weeks

Cradle is fun
Ignore the retards
Read Cradle
Have fun

I need audiobooks of some gritty fantasy, bros. Doing shifts to the First Law was really nice. Goddamn, wish more writers put that much jab in their dialogue.

>>19518647
Unironically The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19518639
Kill yourself cultivation faggot.

>>19518682
is there an audiobook even?

>>19518698
Yes. I’ve listened to the whole trilogy on audible.

>>19518706
how does he pronounce the umlauts? I couldn't tell if they were supposed to be diphthong separators or +e sounds

>>19518733
Umlaut = stress of the syllable

>>19518647
Black Company. Marc Vietor is great.

>>19518740
that's fucking stupid.
"nayUR"? "ishuAL"?

>>19518762
Is it not how the first book says it is?
I really don’t care as the pronounciation follows a rule that I can follows. If you are one of those who drops things for minor things there is no cure for you

>>19518802
I dont think there's supposed to be a single all-fitting rule but a mixing of a bunch of different umlaut conventions

>>19518948
Does it really matter so much?

>>19518986
yes, I subvocalize the names because I like how they sound

>>19518762
that’s how i pronounce them desu

>>19518561
I'm not that guy, so we're on the same train. I just hope it's true. Otherwise I will just create a ledit account and call him out.

He made a previous post saying "soon". He is apparently also active in the sub-reddit so who am I to judge?

Bros, I've read almost everything written by him, where do I go next?

>>19517778
When Bakker returns in glory and light, I am going to get him to endorse my Eärwa-themed Soulslike vidya game.

>>19518035
I read the first 2 books of Last Kingdom and really enjoyed them. Read his book about the 100 Years war and was less impressed as I saw too clearly that he had a formula which kind of ruined him for me.

Go in knowing what you're there for and it's a good time in a James Bond action/swashbucking adventure way with some interesting historical flavor. Prose are serviceable and characters are interesting though not very deep.

>>19519076
Why delete?

>>19519091
Actually don’t follow this advice. Read The Darkness That Comes Before by R. Scott Bakker. Truly the best fantasy.

>>19518682
Out by the roots

>>19518639
>Cradle is fun
It's not.
>Ignore the retards
I will.
>Read Cradle.
I won't.
>Have fun
I am.

>Imagine posting here and not having read Bakker.

>>19519155
>>19519150
Based

Any books about an entity or person going on a genocidal quest again a kingdom/city/species and actually succeeding? It doesn't need to be portrayed form their perspective.
Finishing Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, and having to read that fucking ass pull ending where "the power of love" and deus exmachina nonsensically killed the main antagonist left me wanting to read something that acctually that doesn't give a happy ending just because the author wrote himself into a corner.

>>19519236
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19519258
>The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19519491
>If I post a picture of a fedora guy, I’ll totally take away any credibility this guy has.
How low have the filterees succumbed?

>>19518035
I liked the Warlord Chronicles. I read the first Sharpe novel and it was pretty bad in my opinion, and haven't read anything else.

>>19519562
Oh that’s too bad. Have you tried Prince of Nothing by Richard S.B.?

>>19519560
>>19519566
>bakkerfag seethe

I wish Cornwell didn't have such a raging hateon for Christianity. It drags down of all of his stories when he stops to say "by the way Christians are the fucking SATAN incarnated. Let's show some Christians being evil and ruining everything hehe."

>>19519155
I'm new here and I don't know where to start reading Bakker. Is there like a guide to reading his books?

>>19519643
Good Luck

echopraxia and blindsight were both pretty good. Wish there were more books in this universe.
Are starfish and the rest of those worth reading? I either start that series or finish the expane w/ leviathan falls.

>>19519763

>Yeah, you might say I only read kino.
>I've read The Cave of Time, Inside UFO 54-40, and Blindopraxia

>>19519763
Pleb

Haven't followed the genres for a while. What are the big breakout books of the last 5 years or so, or the breakout authors? Thanks to any who replies.

>>19518639
>eating shit is fun
>ignore the retards
>eat shit
>have fun

>>19519067
Into a pit of despair

Or Songs of Dying Earth. They're kind of hit or miss but the hits are almost as good as the original

>>19519874
None. There never will be again.

>>19519763

Starfish is pretty gud but much darker. The later books are just misery-porn.
If you want something a lot like Echopraxia but a bit more upbeat, I suggest Neptune's Brood, by Charles Stross.

>>19519874

Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota is the only noteworthy accomplishment in scifi novels recently.

If you haven't been keeping up, Ted Chiang's anthologies are the bleeding edge of what is being written today.

How did they give the Inchoroi Souls?

Also, whatever happened to Achamian's Master?

>>19519943
That isn't what anthology means

>>19519984
>a collected work of short fiction

... are you retarded?

>>19519999
It's collected works of short fiction by various authors selected by an editor/curator.

>>19519999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthology
No, you're the idiot for going with first result and easiest answer with a Google search.

>>19519258
You should assume, with how much as he is spammed here, that bakker has been read by most anons and therefore recommending him is redundant i mean you do read books other than bakker's rivght?

>>19520123
Bakker is greater than any religious text. It's truly all.one would ever need.

>>19520123
See >>19519643

>>19519936
thanks for the recommendation, fren.

>>19520123
I refuse to read shilled meme books on principle

Is the hussite trilogy better than the witcher? Is it worth picking up?

>>19519943
Thanks :)

>>19519943
>By default, almost all characters use gender-neutral language, with "they/them" the predominant pronoun used.

>>19520495
What the fuck

>>19519236
You may want to check out the sequel series Tad Williams is writing to Memory Sorrow and Thorn, then, because it implies the ending to it is far from happy, with the Norns winding up on a near-genocidal retaliation from the humans.

Other than that, the only successful genocide I can think of in fantasy is in Malazan Book of the Fallen, but it's not really anything close to the main plot of the story and reading it just for that would be like reading the Bible for a handful of scenes where it talks about incest.

>>19517023
I would not recommend Joe Abercrombie to anyone I wanted to like fantasy. I'd recommend it either to somebody I wanted to annoy or punish by subjecting them to hundreds of pages of tedious dreck.

>>19520495

You didn't make it very far into the books I guess.
A Sadist brothel owner is using weaponized gender fetish to control the de-gendered world leaders and start a world war, just because she feels like it

>>19517023
>I want to introduce a friend of mine into the First Law series and I know that he would love it for the military fantasy aspects alone.
Let me give you some advice. If your friend is actually knowledgeable about military stuff, he will absolutely hate Abercrombie's writing. I would know, because I'm also a military history buff who enjoys military history and reading Abercrombie's absolute nonsense is like nails on chalkboard.

>>19516151
I think you have something right, but the One God is clearly something alien and different. Kellhus talks to Proyas about It. There is no possible way for a limited being to become It. If I had to guess where the ideas were going based on the philosophers they recall, my guess would be that Kellhus's gambit is to remove the gods to allow for the longer term evolution of sentience towards the Absolute, the sum of all being, actual and potential. This as juxtaposed with the No God, which is more the being for itself of Sartre.

The unmoving now of the outside, the tyranny of its malevolent beings, is a barrier to the summation of all historical moments building towards Absolute Knowing. This real, if transcendental Hell, must be sublated.

Or if he goes a more Gnostic route, the goal might be to let souls re-enter the Pleroma of all possibilities instead of being trapped.

>>19520534
That is most fantasy writers tho. for example, I love David Gemmell as a writer but the way he writes nonsensical tactics as if they were genius or constantly describes swords and axes cutting trough mail and plate amour as if it were butter is depressing as fuck.

>>19520558
Better fantasy writers at least shy away from topics they don't know a lot about. Abercrombie seems to relish in using vocabulary he evidently does not understand. The experience of reading Abercrombie with a background in military history is like an engineer watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w except you know it isn't a joke with Abercrombie. I've read plenty of authors who obviously did not know a lot about war, but do you know how they usually handled war? They didn't write about it in detail. They avoided involving the plot or characters too deeply in scenes that would depend on describing military command structures, formations, tactics, and large scale battle. If only Abercrombie did the same.

>>19520603
Also, for the record, I think Abercrombie writes good characters. His political intrigue and personal drama are compelling enough to stand on their own as the meat of the story. If he'd let the war loom in the background instead of trying to wade into it like a toddler into a riptide and with similar results I would probably have high praise for his books. As is though I have to warn anybody getting into them that they're going to be subjected to utter military nonsense, if military fantasy is something they look for.

>>19520539
Presumably if Kellhus becomes a God he'll either instantly grasp the absolute, instantly witness the moment some one else in the far future reaches it, or he'll have to conclude it's either never reached or happens while the world is sealed. It was already difficult to imagine his motivations before, now it's effectively impossible.

looking for a lizard-themed fantasy novel, with swords made out of tungsten, and the protagonist is a dark fairy

I only read that kind of book. please help.

>>19520990
Lizards love omurice, everyone knows this.

>>19520995
I thought they liked gyoza, or was that alligators

>>19519651
Thanks, I was expecting getting a list of all his books.

I would read bakker if it was on kindle unlimited but sorry bros im poor and theres no bakker books in my country so i need to read free shit

cradle fags, u guys won

>>19519612
That's a key part of what I was thinking in my post about his "formula". In the viking era the doubts over Christianity make more sense but he apparently just applies it to every book and he's obviously either a fedora atheist or one of those cringe "Wotan is my All-Father" pagan schizos you see posting under Survive the Jive videos.

>>19521038
same problem here. can't find a legit digital copy anywhere. no paper copies in my town either. fuck giving bezos money.

if I just pirate it, how can I give Bakker some dosh in compensation?

I'm going to join you guys instead of /wg/. I'm sorry for ever doubting you. This is the superior general

>>19521347
yes reading can be quite a bit more immersive than looking at wallpapers

>>19519155
Damn but its tough at the top... Bakkerchads I don't think I can handle all this winning...

>>19514757
Oh shit this is out???

>>19515843
Write something better then

is it bakker really that good? whats the book about? should i buy it now? is it good?

>>19519236
Dune

>>19521038
You’re better off reading cradle. It’s actually good unlike bakker which is just a meme

>>19521038
Do you live in Australia?

>>19521567
fucking brazil

i don't read genre so idk if u dudes already saw this but patrick rothfuss is streaming on twitch rn

>>19521616
Literally who? Shill somewhere else, fag.

>>19521692
Simpman I think

The Culture is great. Fucking paradise.

>>19521616
>>19521692
>>19521705
Name of the wind

Why you gotta be so rude?
Don't you know I'm human too?

>>19521616
Why doesn’t that fat fedora cuck finish his garbage series so we can all shit on it? Who the fuck would be lame enough to unironically watch a stream of his?

>>19521772
Cucks like his books, they simp him hard

>>19521777
checked

Cradle bros, we won

>>19522186
based

>>19521549
Worth it’s weight in gold, my friend. You could also just pirate them using the SFF thread in /t/ and buy physical copies later.

>>19519125
When you see seemingly innocuous posts get deleted it's often when they shitpost hard enough in other threads to warrant the mods' attention as they delete your entire post history from the site in one fell swoop. It's happened to me a couple of times before asking the very same question and was banned for "ban evasion".

>>19514612
Never played Subnautica huh

>>19521559
>Cradle
>>>/a/

>>19522505
Based. Fuck cultivation, western or not.

>>19521036
If you can handle Bakker, you don't need to be spoon-fed.

>>19522573
I'm genuinely filtered by cultivation. I understand wanting to get stronger, but the religious-philosophical underpinnings of Chinese cultivation are just beyond me

Now that I’m reading the God Emperor, I’m getting so much deja vus from The Second Apocalypse. The pic related is a page from The God Emperor of Dune so it might contain spoilers

>no-room where Leto can’t see with his prescience
>no-god who is invisible to gods

I don’t mind borrowing ideas as long as they are used well in a new context.

>>19521036
Just google The Second Apocalypse by R. Scott Bakker and you’ll find there are seven books and the series starts with The Darkness That Comes Before. You’ll find the books in your local library, kindle, bookshops, or you can pirate the books from the SFF thread in /t/. If you like the books please consider buying a physical copy to thank Mr. Bakker.

I cant remember the title of the books in a series and am too dumb to find it via google.

Author was a psychologist.

Earth is not multiplanetary, a small science expedition tests a new drive gets stranded on an alien biome. Due to limited resources the ship is sent home with one crew member, a girl and two guys stay behind. They produce an inbred civilization. Starts out matriarchal but that mostly flips later on with a bunch of strife and shit. History language and culture get corrupted along with a mythos about the founding woman and prophecies about people coming to collect them and take them to paradise.

Earth goes into war and recession, hundreds of years pass before a new expedition is sent, everyone presumed all the humans left behind were long sense dead.

There are these tree like structures that spew steam, and alien animals that get domesticated and mountains. Everything is dark.

Please help, I'm retarded but want to know the name of the series.

>>19522981
I am sorry but I have to note that you used an anime avatar for posting a reply to this thread. I ask kindly that you delete your message and post the question again and stop using anime images while posting here, or you could always just go away and never come back. As for your question, I will decline from answering it for you have used an anime avatar and it is probably most true that you are a retard. Perhaps you should go back to watching anime and reading manga. I do indeed believe /a/ and /co/ will suit you quite marvellously. No need to thank me.

>>19522838
>Who the fuck would be lame enough to unironically watch a stream of his?
apparently 25K people according to his youtube.
humans are grossly retarded anon, never forget this.

>>19522838
based mullet haver.

>>19521065
Kindle unlimited is frequently a loss leader. Amazon pays out $0.005 per page view no matter how many pages a particular customer reads.

Authors publishing on kindle books for sale get 35% of the sale price. They have the option to bump that to 70% of the sale price if they sell the book between $2.99 and $9.99, enable all the kindle features, and sign a contract not to list the book on any other site for a lower price than what they list it on amazon for.

Let's say an author is selling a 500 page book.
If they sell it for $10 on amazon they get $3.50, if they sell it for $9.99 they could get $7.99.

Maybe the hype is gone and now they want to sell it for $1.00 to capture more market share, they now only get $0.35 per sale. If they bump it up to $2.99 they could capture $2.00 of that but perhaps it's only a hundred page book and customers are hesitant to pay that much so the author is in a tough spot.

Each person reading the 500 page book on Kindle unlimited gets them $2.50, they legit get more money for letting people read the book for "free" than they would selling it for $2.99 each. And they will likely find significantly more readers.

If you read more than 2,000 pages per month amazon looses money on kindle unlimited. My peak months have been around 45,000. That's more than $200 out of Bezos's pocket into the pockets of authors.

KU algorithmic rankings reward authors that publish at least once every two months. And they pay out based on number of page views with little to no regard to actual quality. This leads to shorter books in long series that are just good enough to keep the pages turning. I am somewhat split on weather it's over all a good thing or not.

>>19521065
Pirate it and then buy the physical copy from Amazon or somewhere else. Or wait for Bakker to release a new book and buy a few of them and donate them forward.

>>19523012
Hello friend, it appears you mistyped the url of the website you intended to visit. The website that's not an image board based on anime culture is spelled https://www.reddit.com

I will also have you know that that is not from any anime or manga, it's a water painting avatar of a musical composer. Compare with Gorillaz or Deadmau5.

>>19523074
I am sorry but I have to note that you used an anime avatar for posting a reply to this thread. I ask kindly that you delete your message and post it again and stop using anime images while posting here, or you could always just go away and never come back. As for your message, I will decline from answering any argument or question within it for you have used an anime avatar. Perhaps you should go back to watching anime and reading manga. I do indeed believe /a/ and /co/ will suit you quite marvellously. No need to thank me. This is my 2nd reminder to you.

>>19523097
I once again have to point out that you appear to be lost and are posting on the wrong site altogether. This is the literary board on an anime, manga and weird Japanese culture site.

This website was created for non Japanese men to pretend like they are little Japanese girls and talk to other men who are likewise pretending to be little Japanese girls.

What kind of weirdo would come and hang out in a place like this and then pretend like it's unusual and unwelcome when the site is used for it's intended behavior. I think you should re-evaluate the life decisions that bring you here.

>>19523119

>>19523125
https://4chan.org/4channews.php?all#oldnews
Educate yourself.

>>19523166
Spoken like a true tranny (who will never be a real woman).

>>19523191
You do realize where you are don't you?

>>19523205
I am very well aware that I am in /lit/, you can find the specific board rules somewhere. There is /a/ for literature with anime. /lit/ is for literature without anime.

>>19522981
>>19523074
>>19523119
>>19523166
>>19523205
Unironically didn't read.

>>19523234
Based anime hater

TUC spoilers

wot if ajokli can't find kellhus in the outside cos kellhus heckin became ajokli in the future innit and that's why he doesn't get on with the other gods

>>19523433

>>19514582
All /sffg/fags must hang

What I'm in for?

>>19523452
Holy shit, big if true

>>19523473
Yeah, apparently something should be happening in about two weeks but it’s a rumour based on ‘Trust me bro’ but I’ll gladly take this short time of false hope. There is this one fan account in the Bakker subreddit who seems to know something but doesn’t elaborate on that.

The only sci-fi/fantasy I've read a lot of was Legend of the Galactic Heroes and the works of Harlan Ellison.
Anyone got any reccs for an /m/ fag? Didn't feel like making a thread or asking anywhere else since /lit/ seems incredibly homosexual.

>>19523549
warrior trilogy by stackpole, battletech has mechs and a lot of the political stuff

>>19523549
>anime avatar
Go back to /m/.

>>19523574
Is battletech actually good? Every fan of that series I've met has been wildly autistic.
>>19523575
>avatar
YOU go back

>weeb trying label other people as autistic
go watch your cartoons, weirdo

>>19523580
See >>19523125
You have your containment boards

>>19523616
Yeah and I'll fucking post here because I want a book.
What are you gonna do about it faggot? That's right, nothing.

>>19523635
You don’t have the capability to enjoy a good book. Your brain has been fried and rewired to be able to only enjoy stuff that has the cancerous taint of anime and anime related stuff in it.

>>19523645
Did an anime fan fuck your wife or something?

How do I become a master manipulator like kellhus?

>>19523648
I think they only fuck each other wearing women’s clothes.

Fuck, now that I finished the God Emperor, I am inclined to read the next two books.

>>19523648
The anime website filters the leaf.

>>19523728
I read heretics of dune and have no interest in going further after finding out chapterhouse dune ends on a cliffhanger and the two books that finish the series are written by his son and are awful. Feels bad cause heretics didn't really end either.

>>19523747
Maybe I’ll just stick to believing in the Golden Path.

>>19523732
Whatever fills your misaki.

>>19523747
>chapterhouse dune ends on a cliffhanger

Smoothest of smoothie takes

>>19523792
Whatever you say, Brian.

>>19523728
>>19523757
>Maybe I’ll just stick to believing in the Golden Path.
Yeah, God Emperor with its epilogue at the end is a decent end for the series. Whatever Frank was building up to in Heretics and Chapterhouse was completely shit on by his son, so I guess we'll never really know how Dune was intended to be finished

>>19514582
the cyberpunks

>>19514582
More like pic related?

>>19524335
Not science fiction or fantasy

>>19524364
Have you read it? It's science fiction:
>literary theorist Johanna Ross highlighting it as one of the few books to successfully bridge science fiction and "literature proper".

>>19524372
Sounds like shit.

Thoughts on The Human Son ?

>>19524377
And what, pray tell, do you read anon?

>>19524390
Literary pretensions are for niggers. I read genre because I enjoy reading. If I wanted miseryporn and cuckoldry then I would read "literature proper."

>>19524395
>literary pretensions
What do you think those are? Literariness is about using language in a strange way and not merely just making something that's easily readable and easily consumed, because otherwise you should just have a normal pen and paper sesh or something.
>I read genre because I enjoy reading.
Good, I like reading too but I like to mix up my palette because I'm not some middle aged woman who has cookie cutter genrefied tastes.
>If I wanted miseryporn and cuckoldry then I would read "literature proper."
How much of "genre" fiction does that? Isn't that just Bakker to half of you dullards who read it on a surface level?

>>19524417
didn't read lol

>>19524335
>>19524372
Seems interesting. What's it about?

>>19524297
it's truly disappointing what has happened to cyberpunk. The fandom is full of people who fail to understand it-chock full of troons who think "in the cyberpunk future i can finally be a real woman!"

>>19524428
Blurb:
>Minister of Education Ann Margret Lund's four daughters disappear from public beach on penultimate day of summer break.
It's got a lot of worldbuilding that intersects sci fi with alternate reality inspired by history; many of the cultures are French-like or Russian-like. Best way to describe it as a blend of forms all within a dreamlike state. It's kinda hard to explain but it inspired a video game if you want to check it out; there's glimpses of bending reality with only one's psyche and supersoldiers in full armour.

>>19516151
What's your obsession with the dunyain being sorcerers? The only known ones are Kellhus and the Survivor. none of the others show any aptitude for magic.

All your other ramblings are fantasies that don't take into account what we know about how the universe works either.

>>19524335
Translation when?

>>19522582
>>19522714
Is it ok to read "Neuropath" and "Light, Time, and Gravity" first to know if I will enjoy Bakker's writing? If really enjoyed them, then I might buy the physical copies of The Prince of Nothing trilogy. And if I really enjoyed The Prince of Nothing trilogy, then might buy physical copies of The Aspect-Emperor books.

>>19523654
This is some of the worst midwit pseudointellectual prose I've ever read, the tryhard and pretentious desperation to appear "deep" oozes out of the text like the hair gel of an Italian gangster.

>>19524521
Neuropath is shit, don't read it. It's edgy wankery.

>>19524521
I haven’t read his previous texts so I can’t tell. I’m not interested in non-fantasy.

>>19524571
Taken out of context. This particular scene has a certain POV and voice.

>>19524652
Is it supposed to be obnoxious on purpose? That's not exactly endearing me to the protagonist of 5000 pages of fantasy literature.

>>19524725
Cnaiur has at that point a very negative image of Kellhus, who is not the protagonist. He is not supposed to be liked a lot. It is interesting how you criticise something with absolutely no data to back it up. I suggest you read the first book until you decide you really don’t like Bakker.

>>19523452
Whats the account? Is it the schizo predictor?

>>19524775
Probably

>>19524601
How does it compare to his other books? It was written in a time after he finished writing prince of darkness books

>>19524780
If thats the case, doubtful. I cruised his posting history, I'd be surprised it was Bakker, but you never know. He writes in a similar way, but so do I.

>>19524571
Filtered. The prose is not even that elaborate.

>>19524751
>interesting how you criticise something with absolutely no data to back it up
Feelings don't care about your facts, if something seems bad then it's bad.

>>19524751
>read a selection from a book
>think the writing is fucking terrible
>"That's not fair, you have to read the whole book first to give it a chance."

>>19524841
>resorting to strawman
Concession accepted.

>>19524841
Christ.

>>19524841
Wait, this is Bakker? I assumed it was some hack Star Wars novel

Would you recommend reading Tolkien or Martin as an adult?

>>19524571
I think it's just rather overwrought. He could have stopped at hew.

>>19524909
It is Star Wars, and that clearly tells you never to read anything by this author (Chuck Wendig) ever again.

>>19523433
Kellhus probably tricked Ajokli and there's a high chance he will reincarnate through Mimara's son. But these are insanely over the top theories.

>>19523452
From paying attention to the latest threads, I believe that the anon in pic related is probably referring to >>19517778. But apparently that schizo is not unknown to the Reddit crowd.

>>19523538
>>19524775
>>19524780
>>19524793
Are you guys familiar with that Reddit User? Has he previously been called out? Or is he consistent otherwise? His account is pretty old, so I don't know what he's up to. Either way, I will create an account just to call him on his bullshit if nothing happens before Christmas.

>>19525004
Lmao what the fuck.
Even my ESL ass wouldn't make something as bad as that.

>>19525004
jesus christ

>>19525082
>>19525039
>>19524885
>>19524877
>>19524909
no bro, you don't understand, you have to read all his books before you can fairly criticize them (be sure to pay full price on the Disney store to support the author!)

>>19525099
Feelings don't care about your facts, if something seems bad then it's bad.

>>19525004
Utterly based, like the Tropic of Cancer of genre schlock. Fitting for Disney drones.

>>19525004
This is great. You can finally be a brapmeister and a star wars fan.

>>19514612
>>19517275
Do you guys not know how Water works at all?

>>19525004
All the books I read when I was younger are not longer cannon. But this is.

>>19525315
>The last star wars book before Disney was Darth Plagueis.
So weird that it ended on such a kino novel.

>>19525321
Consider yourself lucky that the EU was canned when it was, because there were a half dozen super shitty books planned at the tail end of it that were either cancelled or retconned into being Disney canon, one of which was written by the same author as Plagueis

>>19525349
James Luceno is a decent writer. His Tarkin books was alright. Don't know about the rogue one.

>>19525004
>a prolonged monotone fart

>>19525366
Tarkin sucked, I didn't read the Rogue One Catalyst book but I heard a lot more praise for it than Tarkin, I still hated the movie though

>>19525375
>>19525366
Catalyst: A Rogue One is literally just the prequel novel to a movie. Still decent.

>>19525349
The Thrawn books were okay. Shame they wasted the character on that rebels show.

>>19525370
>>19525082
>>19525039
>>19525196
>>19525299
>>19525315
This is literally the exact same quality as GRRM except with G-rated language instead of shit cock cunt fuck

>>19525398
Martin is better though?

New thread
>>19525403

>>19525393
the Ralph Mcquarrie cartoon was great what are you talking about, even better than watching Droids or Ewoks in the 1980s
I just want them to make sure to finish the Thrawn and Ezra plotline in one of these new shows, maybe the Ahsoka one?

>>19525408
Anon, Thrawn and Ezra go to some void with space whales. Ashoka living was bullshit and retcon.

>>19525415
it was kino desu

>>19525398
This is just pathetically desperate. Here's your (You) you need so badly.

>>19525427
Open-ended endings are terrible though.

>>19525405
It's almost depressing that they're samefagging extremely hard.

>>19524480
Every dingle dunyain ever resented on screen has been one of the Few. All of them.