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What are the best books for the study of magic mushrooms? I want to study the psycho spiritual parts of it. Terrence Mckenna?

>Inb4 take some
No, thats illegal

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worth checking out TiHKAL and PiHKAL (Tryptomines/Phenylethylamines I Have Kown and Lved) which is not about mushrooms perse, but about a chemist who rendered like 150 different derivatives of hallucingens tryptamine and penyl. and wrote about his experiences taking them and how to make them

I did a bit of research into it writing my book, picrel, and it's pretty interesting

>> No.19508542

I have 5g of cubenisis lying around and I've never done them before, should I just do them? What dose? I had a really bad trip (albeit amazing) when I did LSD last time that scared me away from psychedelics

>> No.19508552

>>19508459
Ig I'm going to recc erowid for drug experiences but ig shroomery has that too

>> No.19508594

>>19508542
the whole thing, alone, dark room, on an empty stomach (is standard mckenna advice). i took the "lsd equivalent" of like 11g of mushrooms my first time and had such a bad serotonin syndrome experience that even thinking about lsd gives me nauseous shivers through my body years later. however i took 7.5g shrooms my first time and it went well. they're quite different drugs

>> No.19508605

>>19508459
Go somewhere where it isn't? Or you could abuse DXM; you'll trip fucking balls. It's pretty stupid to want to read about the psycho-spiritual parts of mystical experiences when one of their characteristic traits is ineffability. You could spend the rest of your life reading about this stuff, and all that time and energy would amount to a far shallower understanding than you'd get from a 6 hour trip. That said, there are legitimate risks of psychosis.

>> No.19508612

>>19508605
High dose dxm is no fun at all. Low dose + alcohol creates nice euphoric feeling.

>> No.19508614

>>19508542
You usually take a 8th of an ounce so 3.5 grams.

>> No.19508617

>>19508612
Dude dxm + ecstasy is insane

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>>19508542
It depends on what you want. I hate, HATE the experience of psychedelics but for up to a month afterwards I have a bit higher trait conscientiousness, so I take 0.5g or a bit over and do something extremely distracting like an immersive game or TV.
If you want to see things and feel connected to stuff, take half and go to a low/no-traffic park with a friend.
If you want to have some kind of “breakthrough” then take it all with orange juice and sensory deprivation. Might give you schizophrenia.

>> No.19508634

>>19508542
How much acid? I think 5gs is like 2 tabs, so 1-1.5 gs would probably be a more manageable experience if you took 1 dose(70-100ugs) of semi-pure acid last time. A lot of tabs going around are impure and underdosed i've heard, so if you didn't get your acid from a reputable source, you might want to dose even lower. If you want to dose higher, 5gs is the dose that Mckenna--and others like Paul Stamets--recommend to induce a powerful psychedelic experience. I've tripped a lot and doses in that range tend to be unmanageable for me, though. Also, it's a good idea to make sure that you don't have a family/personal history of psychosis or schizophrenia. Otherwise, you might never be able to comfortably smoke pot again, and that's from personal experience.

>> No.19508640

>>19508617
Yeah serotonin syndrome is a fucking blast.
>>19508612
So is liver failure.

>> No.19508642

>>19508627
What if you already have schizophrenia

How does it affect different types of mental disorders? Seems like too convenient that its good for depression but bad for psychotics.

>> No.19508643

>>19508634
I've heard acid is no longer safe because of all the new research chemicals that came out in the last decade that could be on the tab

>> No.19508656

>>19508642
The guy you're responding to is full of shit. Latent schizophrenia usually emerges in response to some kind of trauma--could be a car accident, a breakup or a bad trip--but there's no evidence that any of these drugs "give you" schizophrenia if it isn't already in your genetics. Same thing with psychosis.

>> No.19508657

>>19508640
>drugs are bad for you
No way anon, this changes everything

>> No.19508661

>>19508656
You misunderstood me. I want to know how mushrooms affects different disorders.

>> No.19508662

>>19508642
>What if you already have schizophrenia
well then you're fucked regardless. schizophrenics have 10-15 years shorter lifespans than the general population. if you haven't been diagnosed and you're just worried you'll get it, then it should be said that is extremely unlikely and i don't know of any documented cases where this has happened

>> No.19508672

>>19508504
>>19508542
>>19508552
>>19508594
>>19508605
>>19508612
>>19508614
>>19508617
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>>19508640
>>19508642
>>19508643
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>>19508661
>>19508662
People who take psychadelics are disgusting untermenschen

>> No.19508673

>>19508657
Have fun using drugs with the fecklessness of a middle schooler. Hell, take some xans with your alcohol-dxm cocktail while you're at it.

>> No.19508679

>>19508657
drugs aren't that bad in general but haphazardly mixing them like that is retarded

>> No.19508689

>>19508642
I don’t know. I think people into psychs are afraid that the association with schizophrenia will make it less likely to get legalized and would basically rather “unstable” people avoid it more for PR reasons than actually thinking it would be bad for them. I’ve heard a voice once or twice in my life, but that was years ago and I’ve done mushrooms since with no issues aside from the actual trip being a horrifying, existentially depressing experience every time.
Stupidly Connor Murphy is a good example of the kind of person that has a bad time with psychedelics. He entire lifestyle and self-image was obviously from the beginning some kind of huge reaction formation and coping mechanism to force down something — he’s mentioned maybe being gay but who knows — so when he went overboard with them an unstoppable force met an immovable object and he went nuts. I think you only get/worsen psychotic symptoms if there is some identity-level cognitive dissonance that you refuse to ever resolve.

>> No.19508693

>>19508640
I've take it several times and it's been insane. Best feeling because you have the skin-flyey thing plus ecstasy where any stimulation feels good. It's insane I was actually watching a movie about myself, camera was up and behind me and I was watching myself

>> No.19508699

>>19508672
People who misappropriate Nietzschean jargon are worthless midwits with less value to society than neo-hippy burnouts. At least my habit is victimless; you, on the other hand, are actively making the world a worse place. Have fun trying to figure out why no-one sees how brilliant you are, overman.

>> No.19508707

>>19508673
I dont take drugs anymore, but I did the dxm-alcohol combo a ton as a teenager. Idk why you are even in a thread about drugs telling people they can harm you, no shit

>> No.19508710

>>19508672
Annoyingly I mostly agree even though I take them. There was some documentary where a guy took mushrooms regularly to get rid of cluster headaches, but fucking hated them and bitched about it the entire time he was on them. This is basically my relationship to mushrooms.

>> No.19508731

>>19508707
I'm the dxm ex guy, same. I did ayahuasca because why tf not a few years back but I stopped doing drugs completely since then and more than several times a year 11 years ago (almost 12 in a few months).

>> No.19508736

>>19508661
Mystical Experiences, which can be induced by tryptamines, have been shown to relieve depressive symptoms (pretty sure they actually induce neurogenesis in a part of the frontal cortex that atrophies when people have major depressive disorder). In this regard, the science is pretty solid, as is the case with similar correlations with increases in trait openness. I'm less sure about this, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there's been some success in treating OCD with clinical psychadelic use. Hallucinogen psychosis is the major risk, but only people with underlying conditions such as schizophrenia are really vulnerable to that. HPPD is a different condition--one that I have--and it isn't really that obtrusive. Unpleasant experiences can be traumatic and exacerbate panic disorders.

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One time when I was drunk (nearing blackout) and had sniffed probably a gram of cocaine over the course of a day, I took 5 tabs (750ug+) of LSD. I was in a bad mood because a girl I had over left, but in my inebriated state I didn’t realise it was because I was acting like a total psychopath and scared the shit out of her. Anyway, so I was pissed off and had the LSD lying around and thought fuck it, I don’t give a shit, I’m going to take it.

Never doing that again. The details of the trip are unnecessary, just know it was horrifying beyond comprehension and I’m lucky I came back in one piece. Also I made a damn fool out of myself.

>> No.19508743

>>19508699
I never read Nietzsche you cuck, I'm german

>> No.19508744

>>19508542
you will want to do at least 4 grams if you want to actually hallucinate and stuff, you can do 2 and just get a little bit high

>> No.19508751

>>19508740
jesus fucking christ anon

>> No.19508761

>>19508707
>i did dxm-alcohol a lot as a teenager
>why are you even in a thread telling people drugs can harm you

>> No.19508767

>>19508761
Does this constitute a meaningful reply in your mind

>> No.19508783

>>19508751
I know, when I reflect on my behaviour I think there’s definitely something wrong with me but I can’t go to therapy, I don’t like the idea of it. I think it makes me less of a man to go and whine about my neuroticism to a professional, I just bottle it up and it comes out in self-destructive neurotic episodes. I think I have serious identity issues too, I don’t really know who I am. My sense of self seems to change all the time, I never feel comfortable and I often wonder how people perceive me because I have no fuckin idea how to perceive myself really. It feels like my entire life and personality is founded on lies.

I’ve had drug experiences similar to that before, and was addicted to ketamine before, doing it every day. I was very depressed. I’m only 21. Anyway, thanks for readin my diary if you made it this far, I need somewhere to spill my guts right now.

>> No.19508784

>>19508594
I hear this advice about a dark room a lot but it sounds terrifying. I am tempted to go to newgrange on the 21st December and do the full 5g to see what happens though
>>19508614
>>19508627
2g seems good going by this chart, it would leave me with 3g to do the next time and if its worth it I will buy/pick 5g or more and then do a heroic dose.
>>19508744
Seems that 2-4g is the sweetspot. I don't want it to be too intense though after I had a bad trip last time, I would like to ease myself into it for the next time I do a larger dose
>>19508634
I think it was 150ug, but yeah it was suspiciously cheap, like $30 for 6 tabs online so who knows what was in it. I didn't blast off until I did weed however 4 hours into it which was retarded of me because that was a horrifying 12 hours after

>> No.19508785

>>19508707
It's called harm reduction, midwit. Never mixed dex and alc because that vile tasting cough medicine made me nauseous enough on its own when I was a stupid teenager. I've heard of some very bad experiences involving this mixture, so I want to warn people of the risks involved in case there's some kid who's never tried drugs before reading this thread who doesn't realize how retarded you sound.

>> No.19508795

>>19508785
What kind of colossal pussy are you to think dxm and alcohol is dangerous. We're not talking about speedballs here

>> No.19508799

>>19508784
>I didn't blast off until I did weed
Lol I smoked a joint when I was off 500ug, and weed hasn't been the same ever since. Not a pleasant combination.

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>>19508672
?

>> No.19508814

>>19508784
Yeah for tabs that's probably some weird research chem but they should be more cheap so you probably got ripped off both ways.

>> No.19508818

>>19508784
well just know that 2g will probably be very underwhelming if you expect to have some sort of notable experience, its much milder than even just one tab of acid

>> No.19508826

>>19508795
>Acute risks associated with mixing dextromethorphan and alcohol include:

Respiratory depression, or irregular, slowed, or stopped breathing.
Dissociation or feeling out of body, which can cause panic.
Brain lesions leading to memory loss, cognitive impairment, and emotional and behavioral changes.
Epilepsy.
Permanent psychosis.

source: https://www.alcohol.org/mixing-
with/dextromethorphan/

That was pretty easy to find, and here I only thought it caused nausea and prolonged vomiting.

>> No.19508828

>>19508818
I agree w this but take 2 grams and be prepared to take 3 more.

>> No.19508834

>>19508826
Now post the SIDE EFFECTS of smoking weed.

You should be careful but it's done rather regularly.

>> No.19508843

>>19508826
Btw the first two are literally the highs. Alcohol is a depressant and dxm is a disassociative.

>> No.19508853

>>19508826
The brain lesions are only with chronic use, not acute. They’re called Olneys Lesions.

>> No.19508863

>>19508800
This, anti-drug people are cringey armchair faggots. Druggies are degenerate but there's nothing wrong with exploring every experience.

>> No.19508872

>>19508863
Agreed, I would not be who I am without acid. I think it worked w my autism or something

>> No.19508877

>>19508843
Hopefully this is bait. Respiratory depression is slowed breathing. This is a common cause of death when people mix opiates and alcohol, since both cause respiratory depression. Any combination of drugs that you can reasonably overdose on (it's pretty untenable to smoke a lethal dose of weed, for example) is potentially dangerous. Even combinations of substances that are pretty hard to overdose on (amphetamines and acid, for example) may be ill-advised.

>> No.19508898

>>19508863
I would hardly call Ernst Jünger a degenerate.

>> No.19508908

>>19508877
Who cares you faggot. You can die just from drinking alcohol too

>> No.19508914

>>19508504
Is your book on Amazon?

>> No.19508932

The threat of schizophrenia is terrifying. It’s something I am deathly afraid of. If I’ve already tripped a fair bit and I’m only 20 is it likely I will develop schizophrenia? It would have happened by now, right?

>> No.19508971

>>19508877
>may be ill advised
Yeah from the jackass who says drinking alcohol can give you "respiratory depression". Obv be careful and sites have gotten a bit anal about how to deal w ex side effects that I never heard when I took and I've taken insane amounts of it but going the complete opposite direction and saying alcohol can kill you is not helpful. Tbh idc if drugs are illegal. I literally never take them but there are benefits to them.

>> No.19508987

>>19508932
I think it would have shown. Ppl who post shit like this play on the internet and hypochondriac fears. It's kinda messed up when you can just say what they are and what they do. Idk anybody who has died from drugs. Ik a lot of ppl who have gone to jail tho.

>> No.19509003

>>19508932
Schizo and bipolar usually show up before age 25. But at 20 you're still at risk. The thing is that you can kind of tell even before the real episodes start that there is something wrong with you. Totally normal people dont really develop them

>> No.19509016

>>19509003
>The thing is that you can kind of tell even before the real episodes start that there is something wrong with you. Totally normal people dont really develop them
To what degree? Are you talking symptom wise? If so, that may not bode well for me.

>> No.19509038

>>19509016
Dw frendo, if you're worried don't do drugs and keep everything simple. If you have to go to a dr but they just ask how you feel then prescribe based on that (so you both could be wrong) but the drugs suck ass.

>> No.19509045

>>19508898
I would not call him a druggy. He has an interesting book/paper called "Approaches: Drugs and Ecstatic Intoxication" where he sort of explains the state of mind that lead him to do the things he was known for, and how that state of mind lead him to try different drugs. In it though he is as harshly critical of drug addicts and habitual users as he is of those who are unwilling to adventure.

>>19508872
I don't know about any of that but it is fun to experience unusual things.

>> No.19509057

>>19509038
Have you been on them? Do you suffer from bipolar/schizo? What if you are prone to neurotic drug-abusing episodes and have a very fleeting sense of self and are just a bit “weird” or “odd”? Are those legitimate symptoms? I believe my grandfather was bipolar but wasn’t diagnosed until later life, like in his 40s and was taken to psych ward there.

>> No.19509067

>>19509016
I mean if you have been diagnosed with something like depression, or just feel you have it. If you have a lot of mood swings, cant control yourself, or disordered thinking/speech and paranoid thought patterns, etc. Basically the symptoms for the diseases, but less dramatic. I wouldn't worry too much though anon, there are a lot more people who are just a bit off psychologically than really crazy people. It's about 1% of the population that has actual full blown schizo or bipolar

>> No.19509083

>>19509057
Tbh I just had unspecified psychosis but it was from taking really strong steroids ppl don't take anymore (trenbolone acetate) and having no off cycle then a lot of bs hit so I was homeless and it was just a bad combo. I don't have any issues w it now so it's definitionally not schizophrenia and I have no idea how bipolar works except that there's a manic and depressive stage w the manic being a bit terrifying. Anyways I'm not an expert but in the same vein as the pushback to drugging kids to sit in class, there's pushback against drugging ppl w anti psychs. They suck ass and are terrible. I literally had the exact same conversation twice w a person i met.

>> No.19509088

>>19508689
>I think people into psychs are afraid that the association with schizophrenia will make it less likely to get legalized and would basically rather “unstable” people avoid it more for PR reasons than actually thinking it would be bad for them
I've noticed this as well. They are also very quick to dismiss any bad experiences as being entirely the fault of the user. "You were in a bad setting, you had the wrong mindset, you had mental or emotional issues going into it" (that last one is gold desu). Even the dedicated psych advocates who believe the entities encountered in trips are real will claim without hesitation that someone who experienced malevolents only experienced figments of their imagination.

>> No.19509101

>>19508459
Psychedelic Psychotherapy: A User Friendly Guide to Psychedelic Drug-Assisted Psychotherapy

It's not very spiritual, but the most practical book on the topic I could find.

>> No.19509118

>>19509067
I’m trying my best not to be a hypochondriac or hyperbolic but I tick all of those boxes except disordered speech/thought patterns. Sometimes I get intrusive thoughts about something embarassing and have to repeat something like “fuck off fuck off fuck off” to make my mind go away from it, but I dont think that qualifies in the aforementioned category?

Anyway if I have it I’ll just have to wait and see. I pray I don’t.

>> No.19509126

>>19509088
The whole "encountering entities who tell you good and evil dont exist and everything is just your perspective" phenomenon is almost comically suspicious. I'm not even a Christfag but like come on.

>> No.19509134

>>19509118
No that's normal kinda. It just means you have unresolved emotional issues. If you start hearing shit you should see a dr but for you just relax.

>> No.19509144

>>19509126
The argument they tend to use it "well are humans evil because of the way they treat cows and chickens?"
I don't even care about that, the far scarier prospect (one scarier than them even being chrisitan demons) is the sheer number of them that see us as nothing more than dinner.

>> No.19509152

>>19508971
None of the drugs you're talking about are illegal. Dxm is legal. Alcohol is legal. They are still potentially dangerous if you use them like a moron.

>> No.19509160

>>19509126
>"encountering entities who tell you good and evil dont exist and everything is just your perspective" phenomenon is almost comically suspicious
Almost as if it were a common behavior of demons, lesser entities, malevolent beings etc whatever you want to call them as taught through various religions and traditions :^)

>> No.19509162

>>19509152
I don't disagree but idc if even weed gets illegal again. Idrc for the druggie community but the anti drug community can be dumb asf too.

>> No.19509178

>>19509160
>>19509144
That's what I'm saying. Even if you dont believe in any specific religion how can you not find that shit suspicious

>> No.19509181

>>19509126
>>19509144
>>19509160
In my opinion taking psychedelics breaks down some spiritual walls between us and the ethereal plane of existence and makes us susceptible to demonic possession. That’s what those entities are. I know when I was on a bad trip off a heroic dose of acid I was being tortured by some demon that repeatedly showed me a thought loop of the genesis of mankind being some sort of a filthy, deranged, repugnant half man half simian creature. I was tortured with this imagery for hours. I am convinced it was demonic. Another time while under the influence of ketamine and LSD I felt like my body had been taken over by a demon and I became manic, staring at myself naked in the mirror while gnashing teeth, beating my chest and listening to thrash metal. That was demonic behaviour, I am sure of it. I know I’m a fuckin weird guy, but I am still convinced that it opens your body and mind up as a vessel for possession.

>> No.19509185

>>19509088
There's definitely a confirmation bias with psych users, probably because the experiences themselves can be so novel and convincing at first. That said, there really is no substantial evidence that mushrooms or acid cause mental illness. There isn't a higher incidence of severe mental illness in hallucinogen users, at least according to the data that's available now.

>> No.19509190

>>19509181
It does.
Hence the actual "good" entities (see once trying to pray/meditate and get the fuck out of there), will attempt to get you to not interact with them and if you force them to will constantly tell you that you're a fucking fool and to stop doing drugs and coming here.

>> No.19509191

>>19509088
Yeah druggies are annoying asf. It's some stupid war between them and the anti druggies.

>> No.19509202

>>19509181
Y'all are crazy. Ik it happens but I've been to tons of raves in multiple states and never experienced any of this crap. None of my friends have but I've heard of a friend of a friend who has.

>> No.19509203

>>19509185
Peter Green, Syd Barrett, Charlie Manson and Whitey Bulger would like a word.

>> No.19509208

>>19509202
What, on acid? And what dosage?

>> No.19509214

>>19509203
Charles Manson was abused and in and out of prison/juvi his whole life. Whitey Bulger was literally a gangster and idk the other 2

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>>19509203
there is no hope to communicate with someone that makes posts this fucking stupid. syd barrett had mental illness and took psychedelics. yep good enough for me, fuck empirical data

>> No.19509229

>>19509208
Yeah go to ca, they just have tabs w foil on it and you get 2 for 15 usd or 1 for 10. Yeah I mean it's not hard to find acid in a rave but ex and ketamine are easier to find but I mean I went raving every weekend for like a year straight. I've went w tons of friends.

>> No.19509235

>>19509229
You're aware you write like a druggie right lol? I'm not trying to be a dick here but it is kind of amusing

>> No.19509238

>>19509181
>I believe in magic
>t. retard

>> No.19509243

>>19509214
The CIA dosed Bulger with LSD for 18 months straight. 18 months, every day.

>>19509228
Syd Barrett became mentally ill due to his profuse use of psychedelics. His roommates spiked his tea with acid every morning. That was 60s acid too, not the weak shit.

>>19509229
You haven’t went on an introspective enough trip, you haven’t done enough or you’re just really fucking stupid to have never come into contact with entities or had any mystical experiences on acid, in fact your third eye must be welded shut, bud.

>> No.19509247

>>19509238
Let me guess, your god is called “science”?

>> No.19509248

>>19509235
Yeah lol I was so into it as a kid. It was so fun and developing for me but I hate doing drugs now. The most I take is adhd pills. The ayahuasca kinda cemented it. I took it two days and the second I didn't even want to take it so I just took half a dose. I'm happy who I am and I'm older now so my body doesn't want to deal w bs and either way there are a ton more fun things to do and fucking christ if ecstasy doesn't get boring.

>> No.19509253

>>19509243
I literally have aphantasia so I've only hallucinated off 2c's or some cut in ex but I've taken like lots of psychs but the way y'all write sounds terrifying.

>> No.19509264

>>19509243
Dont be mean to anon he is just a raver.

>> No.19509266

>>19509248
I never got that into it but I took psychs when I was quite young, 12 for shrooms the first time, so it had something of an impact on me. I think it might have prompted me to get into philosophy and religion earlier than I would have.

>> No.19509267

>>19509253
2cb or ecstasy that’s been cut with hallucinogens, is that what you are telling me? Neither of those are substantial enough to produce the kind of trip I’m talking about, and both of those are only vaguely psychedelic. If you really want you should try a heroic dose some time, then you’ll see. It’s something that’s better experienced than described, but I did my best to put it into words for you. It felt demonic, and I mean that having examined those experiences as clinically and rationally as possible, it just felt like possession. Demonic.

You ever see those videos of hippies dancing and shaking wildly in the late 60s? They look like they’re possessed by demons, and they are. You have to understand the metaphysical implications of taking these substances, they are not for cheap thrills. They open you up for possession. The bible calls it pharmekeia.

>> No.19509278

>>19509247
Idk, all I know is that the thought of evolution doesn't make me incontinent, so I figure I'm doing something right. Feel free to keep playing make believe until you succumb to the inevitable bout of psychosis.
t. someone who can handle the thought that we evolved from apes.

>> No.19509282

>>19509264
Yeah, I raved from 09-end of 2010 so the rave scene was still shit in a lot of places. I literally saw ppl change to gloves and shuffling (from dallas stomp lol) but in tx it was mostly druggies and gang members. Like we had a weird amount of bloods at afterlife (which was the biggest club besides lizard lounge which blows ass) but moving to ca was so fun because normal ppl went to raves. It's like the best night of your life, I loved taking marines to their first rave.

>> No.19509287

>>19509267
Your psychosis is not a spiritual awakening

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>>19509287
Who are you trying to convince friendo

>> No.19509302

>>19509267
See i'm old so idc to try that. I've met ppl who do drugs later into life and they're not anymore at peace or stable. You kinda get the lesson/experience then move on.

>> No.19509306

>>19508914
yea, it's only a dollar but I'll give you a pdf version if you email me: nesmer.ogden@gmail.com

>> No.19509312

>>19509278
It had less to do with evolution and more to do with the imagery being totally perverse, disgusting, malevolent and terrifying, as I said in the original post. There are areas of intelligence and perception that lie outside of the field of your supposedly empirical lens of rationality and science. Things you cannot fathom. Sucks you’re too brainlet to recognise that, most intelligent men in history already knew and accepted that.

>>19509287
It wasn’t a psychosis if I came back to reality after the effects of the drug wore off, nor did my experiences with psychedelics usher in a spiritual awakening for myself. It did reinforce my belief in the supernatural, but no stereotypical “spiritual awakening” as you would like to characterise it for the purposes of denigrating my visceral experience.

>>19509282
As a European, hearing about American rave culture cracks me up.

>> No.19509316

>>19509312
I mean the blood thing is weird to us too. I think it was their territory or something and it was never a mob of them just a few. We had rave families tho. We all dressed in colors and it was fun.

>> No.19509325

>>19509316
Do Americans really go around sucking pacifiers and shit at raves? Also what do you listen to? As far as I’m aware it’s a lot of toilet tier “EDM” (whatever the fuck that is). Any trance or techno?

>> No.19509337

>>19509325
Hey do Europeans have these comical caricaturized views of the US.

>> No.19509345

>>19509325
Yeah some do, I never understood it besides to make sure you don't grind your teeth. It was kinda rare desu but nobody judged.
I listened to kaskade, so a lot of trance even euro trance but in ca we liked electro like steve aoki etc.

https://youtu.be/qMeSmNw4Ing
https://youtu.be/bI0ZlAg04_s
https://youtu.be/CILNWtWzGvE
https://youtu.be/EPFWtWb9w1Q
https://youtu.be/T0rwZxpu5hQ
https://youtu.be/9VftHproco0

That's all electro but this is my favorite song from rave music shit it's trance: https://youtu.be/Xl9lQonO_RQ

>> No.19509358

>>19509345
>bleeps interspliced with bloops
>music
I shiggydiggy

>> No.19509359

>>19509345
I listen to way different music now but it's techno stuff. This is me gloving.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gloving/comments/dcn3aa/tried_to_do_some_storytelling_at_end_im_working/

>> No.19509364

>>19509358
If you roll you get it, it's like west coast rap kinda trippy like still dre

>> No.19509392

>>19509359
You sure you weren’t one of those blood members pal?

>> No.19509419

>>19509359
Lol this was interesting, thanks for sharing anon.

>> No.19509476

>>19508872
I agree very strongly with this. I think using psychedelics just a handful of times genuinely did help move me past my very rigid autistic stemlord thinking into being a much more "fluid," creatively open person. They were just part of a process of maturing I was going through at the time, but they undoubtedly sped it along and I also don't think I would've made it as far without them.
I would not use them habitually or to fuck around at a music festival or anything like that. I think they should be taken seriously.

>> No.19509530

>>19509392
Westside blooods, no my manager was one tho but I never saw him there lol

>>19509476
Yeah I mean I was social but definitely subtext opened up for me. It was definitely night and day.

>> No.19509540

>>19509476
>>19509530
That being said I took acid in that amount before but it had to have been the environment which was social, the amount of acid (it was like 2 hits but strong ones) and ecstasy (2 mollies)

>> No.19509625

>>19508459
Archiach Revival and Moshroom Gods by McKenna, Doors of Perception by Huxley, DNA books by Jeremy Narby, and there's others but those are the core of the literature.

>> No.19510996

>>19508783
if you're self aware thats already half way, go to therapy anon and stop being a faggot

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>>19508783
Some Jewish dude I knew when I was around 28 lost his cherry in therapy. Seems you can meet a few nice girls there. Of course his problem was panic attacks, not being a drugged-out dick. Then again, why not try that ?

>> No.19511051

>>19508459
Lurk psychedelic forums, youll see that they arent any more enlightened than anyone else.
Real spirituality takes growth in virtue, taking a pill for a spiritual experience is just spiritual porn, nothing like the real deal.
For the real deal read St.Teresa of Avila for example.

>> No.19511078

>>19511051
>taking a pill for a spiritual experience is just spiritual porn
thats a good way of putting it