/lit/ - Literature

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19495945
TELL ME

>TFW you don't believe in censorship but wish Bakker fags would fuck off

>>19495954
WHAT DO YOU

>The sissy made another /Bakkergen/ for free.

Yes, I'm thinking based.

2021 Hugo Award For Best Video Game Finalists
Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Publisher and Developer: Nintendo)
Blaseball (Publisher and Developer: The Game Band)
Final Fantasy VII Remake (Publisher Square Enix)
Hades (Publisher and Developer: Supergiant Games)
The Last of Us: Part II (Publisher: Sony Interactive Entertainment / Developer: Naughty Dog)
Spiritfarer (Publisher and Developer: Thunder Lotus)

Which do you want to win?

>>19495945
Stop posting yourself Bakker and get over the fact your colleagues laugh at you for writing children's books
>B-but it's got philosophy in it!
Yeah that you made up

>>19495967
Don't really care.

So what's going to happen to Cnaiür? Did he forgive Kellhus?

>>19495967
Don't play videogames

>>19495967
Either Animal crossing or Final Fantasy.

>>19495967
my game will unironically be in this list next year. you heard it from /sffg/ first anons.
>t. realized only a tiny handful of people would ever read my book so i put that effort, plot and worldbuilding into making a fantasy vidya instead.

>>19495967
Final Fantasy VII Remake should win.

>The Last of Us: Part II
Surprised that garbage even made it on the list.

What does /lit/ think of R. Scott Bakker and his Second Apocalypse books? I read them a while ago and found them quite fascinating.

His books were heavily infused with philosophy, especially the first three books. I'm a total noob when it comes to philosophy, and many times I scratched my head and had to reread some passages, but it was invigorating and unique nonetheless. I don't think many books exist in the fantasy genre that are so heavy on philosophy.

The strongest point are the characters though, their trials and inner dialogue. I have seldom read a character as deep as Drusas Achamian (annoying as he might be from time to time).

Unfortunately that might also be the reason why it never was very successful or caught on with the usual fantasy demographic. Bakker even had to go back to teaching, which is delaying the sixth book even more.

The premise in itself is nothing that special, it's heavily borrowed from the crusades. Wiki explains it better than me:

"It depicts the story of the Holy War launched by the Inrithi kingdoms against the heathen Fanim of the south to recover the holy city of Shimeh for the faithful. During the war, a man named Anasûrimbor Kellhus emerges from obscurity to become an exceptionally powerful and influential figure, and it is discovered that the Consult, an alliance of forces united in their worship of the legendary No-God, a nihilistic force of destruction, are manipulating events to pave the way for the No-God's return to the mortal world." (spoilers after that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Scott_Bakker

Have you read it and what do you think? I recommend it to anyone interested in fantasy, even if you are not that into philosophy.

pic: Faces on covers of fantasy books usually puts me off and I wouldn't even bother picking that book up, but in this case I'm glad I did. There are other covers though without face, this is the one I've got.

>>19495967
I only know three games out of that entire list. But my bets is Final Fantasy. It has nostalgia going for it.

>>19496017
Have you been paying attention to the previous threads?

>>19496017
I have read the books and reread the first three books. I found them really good, so good I’ll have to eventually reread the rest. It’s so seldom I encounter fantasy this interesting.

>>>19495164

>>19496017
I've only read the first three, they were written very well but honestly I've never read anything more graphic. The weird sexual scenes get to be a little too much. That part at the end of book two or whichever it was when the demon thing basically rapes an entire tribe of people was probably the most grotesque thing I've ever read.

Other than that I loved the books. They have such incredibly powerful and beautifully written scenes; Achamian being overpowered by the Scarlet Spires sorcerers, Seswatha facing down the Gnosis, Achamian's student's death, and when his other student is writing the letter to the religious leader when he thought Achamian was dead all come to mind. There are a lot of killer lines in there too for me (Sun after burning sun set upon him; Your god is not a god; What price would you pay? Any price; No soul moves alone; They poured out their Holy Water etc.) I read those books a year ago and still remember how well written they were. I also love the portrayal of religion, politics, etc. It all feels so unreal and yet believable. All in all great books, wish they were a little less graphic.

>>19495967
Spiritfarer deserves to win, even though it won’t. Indie games deserve better.

Well, that's interesting. I wonder why that's how it is. See image.

>>19495939
Blood of an Exile, Dragons of Terra #1 - Brian Naslund (2019)

Blood of an Exile is primarily about an unlikely group attempting to fulfill a suicidal royal quest. Aside from that, there's more focus on ecology than you'd probably expect. There's also a bit about the initial development of magic. Over the course of the book it increasingly becomes more of a power fantasy, which isn't something that I mind, though there were better alternatives. This is satisfying in a visceral way.

There are five viewpoint characters. I enjoyed them all, in this order: apothecary, assassin, dragonslayer, budding ecofascist princess, kunoichi. I had hoped that the apothecary would have a prominent role, but he had far less chapters than I wanted. Maybe he'll feature more in rest of the trilogy. I hope so anyway. I'll be reading the two remaining books in relatively short order.

The dragons in this are of the beast variety and there many different types of them. They're not the modern western fantasy sort of dragon. Considering how different they are, dragon seems more like a catch-all term for a certain type of beast. However, they all share two common traits. That their oil is extremely valuable and that their presence is essential to the ecosystem.

The biggest problem with this book is that all its disparate elements don't quite come together. There are so many strangely used allusions that it becomes distracting. The quality is so uneven and unbalanced that I wondered about its editing process. I found my footing though and enjoyed myself anyway. Fun provides an amazing set of blinders.

The killings are more graphically described than what I usually read in fantasy. There's a significant body count by the end from the viewpoint characters alone. There was a surprisingly recurrent focus on bodily waste. It was rather noticeable and I wonder what Naslund's intentions were. Also, there's sex, which is presented in a way I assume the author thought was sensual, yet classy, and maybe even romantic. One other thing of particular note to me was how often the chapters started with a character waking up.

Naslund's bio reads: "usually griping about video games on Twitter" which lends credence to what I see as a videogame geography problem. It's one of several weird issues that depending on the person would range in severity from trivial to dealbreaker. For me, it was moderately annoying. There's no gradation between locations, or really any sense to the world. Another one of these issues is his naming sense. I couldn't tell whether he was oblivious or intentional with his names, or if he was just bad at naming. The various issues were mostly superficial, but they all add up.

Rating: 3.5/5

I got a new exploitable you can use for your bakker memes, guys.

The Black Seed must flow.

So who was right about religion in the Second Apocalypse?

My coin is in the Fanimry

>>19496128
>Blood of an Exile, Dragons of Terra #1
Actually sounds interesting to read. I’m going to check it out. Also, why the 3.5 rating?

>>19496373
I mean, we know that the other one is pretty much an amalgamation of Ciphrang.

>>19495967
Blaseball. Besides Spiritfarer its the only original game on the list

Why didn't the Dunyain send someone to search for Kellhus?

>>19496053
>>19496395
Kinda sad that the two original games on the list won’t win.

>>19496404
Why would they? He never contaminated Ishual by going there, he never told anyone where it is.

>>19496388
I have it rounded up to 4 on GR. At my peak enjoyment of it yesterday I was thinking maybe 4.5 rounded down, but that's why I tend to sleep on it before writing anything. After I had some time to think about it and write some stuff about it and compare to others of similar ratings, an overall rating of 3.5 rounded up seemed more appropriate. It's 4 star rating on GR either way, so it doesn't make that much of a difference. As to the specific reasons why, they're included in what I wrote I'd think, but maybe not.

>>19496373
Consult
>>19496404
Did you actually read it? None of those who left Ishual can return because they would have additional variables outside of control influencing their behavior, defying very purpose of dunyain. He is dead to them for all intents and purposes.

>>19496421
I never really understood why he spoke so openly about his origins. Not that it would matter, theoretically I guess, since they were isolated for two thousand years.

>>19496424
Well, another great review. Keep doing them, always nice to see an effort post here.

Alright you fuckers.
I will give this a try.

how painful is it to read through these or does it hold up

>>19496494
The text is still the same as it was when it was written. If you have the original copy it might not be in such a good shape but I’m sure there are new editions.

What does the No-God do other than stopping childbirth and making everyone feel depressed?

I went to Barnes and Noble after a job interview today and picked up a fat paperback omnibus of Roger Zelazny's Amber series, what am I in for?

>>19496487
Based

>>19496528
I mean, that already is a lot. Basically a countdown to extinction.

>>19495957
SEE!

>>19496528
it controls le sranc and le evil armies to do giant human wave attacks and btfo cities and whatnot until the population is <12^12.

>>19496537
But does he actually do shit physically in the battlefield? Why does everyone run away from him? Can't the schoolmen blast the shit out of him?

>>19496518

oh yeah I just mean the books themselves I'm not necessarily going to read that version. Never read Asimov before and thinking about starting with these.

>>19496494
Its mostly political and the science is outdated (lots of nuclear based technology). I mostly agree with Paul Krugman in that its outlook on international economics is interesting.

>>19496494
they're the exact opposite of painful

>>19496552
Just torrent the ebooks, buy physicals later if you like them

>>19496547
See >>19496544
He also inquired about your visual sense experience

>>19496547
>Can't the schoolmen blast the shit out of him?
No because there were trinkets in sarcophagus, it was unstoppable to bronze age civilization and got killed only because they stole direct energy weapon from Golgotterath.
There was no trinkets in sarcophagus when they launched it again, and second apocalypse promises to be very short because it literally takes 1 decent sorcerer not affected by plot-induced retardation to clap it. Seriously what the fuck were they thinking launching it like that?

>>19496572
So he just gives +1/+1 and banding to the Sranc and makes them ask WHAT DO YOU SEE? Seems kinda meh in terms of actual value in a battle, I'm sure they could just fling shit at him or something.

Sweet Sejenus. You guys are making me want to re-read baker, AGAIN

>>19496591
>>19496572
in my head canon the subject or pilot of the no-god experiences total sensory deprivation similar to how peter watts describes the aliens in blindsight

so "what do you see" is literally the poor soul or rather twin-soul crying out in fear at their blindness.

>>19496607
>If I keep rereading it it'll become a beloved classic
cope

>>19496612
Why was Kelmomas "special" and not visible to the gods/able to see past Yatwer's bullshit?

>>19496607
>If I keep re-reading it, it will become a beloved classic.
Based.

>>19496612
Was Nay-Cauyti also fucked up two-soul like Kelmomas? I don’t remember all the similarities between them but I do remember both being mama’a boys

>>19496624
because he exists simultaneously across all of time and non-time as the no-god. i don't know, that part of the end didn't really work for me. felt shoehorned in.

>>19496624
It might have something to do with his Anasûrimbor heritage.

>>19496624
because he becomes the No-God. the outside is atemporal and that is why it works to them, he always was what he will be

>>19496591
>Seems kinda meh in terms of actual value in a battle
Sranc are extremely numerous, there is possibly tens if not hundreds of times more of them than humans, however they can't be normally controlled on large scale and forced to attack where ordered, they just sit on their lands and only attack humans when they have nothing to eat. Mog overrides their behavior and makes them mindlessly zerg rush enemy, with all the countless millions. Civilization was destroyed by this in first apocalypse, not by people not being born or panic.

>>19496628
No, he was normal. They didn't even intended to put Kelmomas into sarcophagus, original intent was have Kellhus get into it. I suspect him having two souls will be plot point and something goes wrong with Mog because of that, assuming next book ever comes out.

>>19496641
Aren't deathballs super risky in a world of sorcery though? Drusas Achamian alone almost levels an entire army by himself in TTT.

In the second series Akka sees dreams about some tunnel where he is with other people lined up and they slowly go forward. Was that about the line of people they pass through the sarcophagus or did he glimpse Hell?

>>19496657
There is a description of Aspect-Emperor unloading all metagnostic mass destruction he is capable of on sranc horde and all his efforts not even putting a dent in it in last book. And that was just normal horde, not whatever Mog's influence brings out.

>>19496657
A small army. If you have read the second series at all there are literally hundreds of sorcerers from all schools including gnostic witches slaughtering sranc day and night on shifts. They kill hundreds every second. The army of sranc is immense, absolutely massive. Millions and millions… nothing was left that could be eaten… the meat…

>>19496657
>>19496693
Pretty sure apocalypse horde would easily eat everything of up to WW2 tech level, and you need nuclear or at least thermobaric weapons to realistically do something about it.

>another headcanon
salted sorcerers achieve oblivion, the chorae collapses subject and object (like a mini no-god) so the sorcerer's soul is wiped out instantly, a much better fate than damnation. so the inchie ping pong balls were saving their enemies all along.

>>19496719
>Not everyone can be saved.
Poor Saubon

>>19496721
Inchie balls? They were made by the Nonmen, but even that is weird after you read The False Sun.

>>19496530
Shit
It's amazing to me that the same person wrote Lord of Light and that

>Come back to /sffg/
>/bakker-gen/ has reincarnated

Truth Shines!

Can anyone recommend me something like Lord of the Rings? Very broad question I know.

>>19496733
Wasn't the Aporos commissioned by the Inchoroi? Or at least the chorae? I know the Artificer made them, but I thought this was at the Inchie's request, with the specific intent of arming the tribes of eanna against the Nonmen. Nice little Celebrimbor/Sauron reference.

>>19496766
It would really help if you were a little bit more specific.

>>19496760
whats so shit about it?

>>19496767
Checked the wiki article about the Chorae. Raises a lot of questions about the real reasons behind people hating sorcerers and nonmen. I guess Inchoroi just wanted to eliminate competition. Makes you think, are all sorcerers damned after all or was it just a ruse? Is the Inverse Fire just a goad like Titirga said?

>>19496766
Dune or any famous fantasy epic for starters

What was the point of the decapitants?

>>19496798
>there’s a head on a pole behind you
>the living should not haunt the dead

>>19496798
Other than the fact that they are agents of Kellhus, how can we truly know?

>>19496801
What even is the head on a pole line about?

>>19496795
>Is the Inverse Fire just a goad like Titirga said?
Ajokli says it's a window into his house when he sees it.

>>19496791
Something with the same folklore-y feel with a large setting. Preferably not sci fi.

>>19496813
Lyonesse

>>19496813
earthsea

>>19496813
There are a lot of series like that, but most of them are trash. You should avoid Tolkien copy-cats like the plague. You might enjoy the Malazan Series. It will certainly be refreshing. If you do, you can check The Second Apocalypse Series by R. Scott Bakker. It's every one's favorite around these parts.

Also, don't read Earthsea.

>>19496813
Earthsea.

>>19496298
Akka looking at esme, while his "daughter" is mad at him.

>>19496847
>>19496817
No thank you, the other anon is right. I don't read racist authors.

>>19496847
>>19496817
LOL

>>19496804
Nobody knows. Some say it's because he removed his head as a part of process of entering Outside, but there are some clues hinting different meaning, and head on a pole being mentioned outside of that scene. Maybe it's not literal head on a pole but some abstract concept related to Daimotic sorcery, because he mentions that he discovered it.

>>19495939
All /sffg/fags must hang

>>19496867
Seethe.

Why don't most men read?

/sffg/ really is dead.

/sffg/ never felt this alive.

>>19496876
because most books are written by and for women

>>19496861
A discovery of witches was preddy gud. I read it years ago.... and I think some aspects in that book is problematic..

>>19496876
https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2021
it's a mystery

>>19496876
They do just subjects that women havent ruined yet, mostly nonficiton, mil history, historical fiction and biographies. They used the read epic fantasy but they got their mitts on that.

How do you think those consult "larvae" looked like?

do you think kellhus was cute as a kid

>>19497035
Of course

>>19496943
I've never heard of a single one of these?

>>19495945
Thankfully amazon is generous with refunds, I got bored trying to read his book. not for me.

>>19496816
This.

>>19496876
It's too passive.

>>19496943
>Women only shortlist
What a fucking joke

What's the source for the notion that the gods in the Second Apocalypse are predators that eat souls? How does it work?

>>19497204
Have you read the books?

>>19497242
Yes but I can't recall if and where this is mentioned.

>>19497264
The "Gods", the Inrithi ones at least, are nothing more than Ciphrang abominations from the Outside. The most powerful of them. Humans are their harvest, that's why the Inchoroi and the Consult want to shut the world to the outside, to avoid damnation It is nonetheless implied that some souls are able to be spared and gain their favor.

>>19497277
Do you remember where this is said though?

>>19497282
I believe it is during the Unholy Consult when Kellhus is speaking with Proyas after the Betrayal

>>19496876
Too busy building and maintaining the real world that provides women with the luxury and comfort to have time for frivolous things like reading fantasy escapism novels.

>>19496861
Lol did they forget the part in Rythm of War where they kneeled on George Floyds neck?

>>19497288
OK I just re-read that part and couldn't find it still. I did find Cet'Ingira calling the gods "tapeworms" but that was it.

>>19497407
Have you read the passage when Kellhus speaks with Proyas while He's hanging upside down?.

Finally getting back into the new Ken Liu book The Veiled Throne. I started it and after that I put it off until now, it's at a pretty good part now so I'll be done with it pretty soon and I'll be able to read one of the other books I got lined up. Just glad I don't have to look for books for a while because I have quite a few that look pretty good.

>>19497469
Is this when he says that ||"the inchoroi must win"? If so I still can't find anything about the gods nomming on souls.||

>>19497511
Maybe is when Kellhus meets with Achamian, or Achamian with Proyas. Can't really tell, sorry.

>>19497511
I cannot stress enough how back you need to go

>>19495939
>December Book Club
Fantasy: Royal Assassin (Farseer 2) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25300956-royal-assassin
Science Fiction: Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14185.The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

I was reading elric and the whole time travel world hopping aspect really took me out of it. The time travel was specially horrible since, by definition, nothing else matters as the future is already written and what will come to be will come to be.
Which is a shame because I was really enjoying the writing, the characters and the setting. It has put me off of the whole shared multiverse.
Anyone has any recommendation on what would be a good sword and sorcery but without all the added bullshit that detracts from the souls? like Conan but no Conan since I and everyone else has read Conan.

>>19497993
Fafhrd and Grey Mouser.

the power of the no god is that it controls sranc so they are intelligent and coordinated through a hive mindrather than retarded beasts. The main thing though is killing all newborns

as seen in the end of TUC where they throw chorae to each other relay style to
btfo the sorcerors

>>19498510
Will anyone ever talk about my book like this if I ever write it...

>>19496547
He asks the same question over and over again.

>>19496876
Work and shit.

Happy to see /sffg/ go back to its roots.
>Does it bother you?

So, who is the inner-voice inside Kelmomas head?

Anybody into these?

Thought it was a GoT clone at first but seems to be more like an r-rated discworld.

I'm enjoying them.

So I just finished reading Ruin by John Gwynne and it is absolutely amazing. Thanks to the anon that recommended the series, it certainly gets better with each installment and the third book ends with a major cliffhanger. Ill start reading the final book in the series tonight. Overall, I highly recommend it if you're a fan of old school fantasy without SJW politics and many grey characters with multiple viewpoints. There isnt really a single pure evil character from the humans and even the "good" guys are flawed. If I had to compare the writer's prose and action sequences I would say the closest would be David Gemmell.

Ok i just finished Cradle Bloodline and it was not so bad as some of you fuckers said

Wintersteel still KINO

>>19499048
It's one of the worst books in the series. Plus it's the immediate book after Wintersteel.

>>19498956
spoiler

the no god

In my opinion: Wintersteel > Ghostwater > Blackflame > Underlord > Reaper > Uncrowned > Unsouled > Soulsmith > Bloodline > Skysworn

>>19499074
Pure speculation, no? I would say he's a schizo, but it simply sounds too convenient to be true.

>>19499126
pretty sure its tng but can't remember why i think that

could also be ajokli maybe trying to get back at kellhus

or he could just be schizo

>>19499173
Ajokli definitely ain't it. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten royally fucked in the end.

>>19499036
your shilling is obvious

>>19499036
No Bakker; Don't care.

Simple as.

>>19499036
>Iggulden blurb
Has anyone read Iggulden's new-ish fantasy heartbreaker? Whatever it was called. I tried, but I just couldn't get over the mishmash worldbuilding and how everything was so dramatic (and most actions retarded) all the time.

I finally read The Darkness That Comes Before and was talking to my dad about it and he doesn't care about fantasy really besides Tolkien but as soon as I said weeping faggot he busted out laughing so that was nice.

>>19499227
I just wish Bakker was translated into other languages. The old man can't read in English, but I think he would enjoy Bakker as well.

>>19499231
its translated into a lot of languages

kino

>>19498599
i will

>>19499259
"More" is probably the correct word.

>>19499300
this specific art generator is really cool, probably the best one

>bakker

>>19499200
> hurr durr you're shilling obviously

>>19499036
Interesting, this has popped up on my recommendations a few time, but while I absolutely love Gemmell I'm incredibly skeptic of anything written this decade that gets praised. And this gets a lot of praise in a lot of circles.

>>19499259
Is there any way I can see to which languages it was translated?

>>19499336
It's actually awesome for book covers

>>19498510
How does the No-God simultaneously micro all the sranc hordes while also being seemingly confused and constantly asking what he is?

>>19499173
Its his twin brother samarmas.

>>19499048
>grown ass adults actually read this Fake-weeb shit

>>19499485
> And this gets a lot of praise in a lot of circles.
I had the same skeptic view but after reading it it does feel like a fantasy book written in the 90s before wokeism. Give the first book a try, if you dont like it then its not for you.

>>19499547
That's what he claims. I sincerely doubt that's the case.

>>19499489
https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/887432-the-darkness-that-comes-before

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?151698

chinese russian french german bulgarian at least

>>19499912

>>19499912
Still missing a lot of important language. Interesting to see how Bulgarian ended up making it.

>>19496053
>>19496395
Why not Hades?

>>19499919
which language are you looking for

>>19499965
Arabic

>>19499965
Italian.

>>19499969
Not sure if meming, but depending on the country, I think you would have trouble finding someone willing to translate Bakker.

>>19499969
https://emirate.wiki/wiki/The_Darkness_That_Comes_Before
https://stringfixer.com/ar/R._Scott_Bakker

I highly doubt they have been translated to Arabic. Don't know much about Fantasy scene in Arabian cultures or countries. Probably they only like the one book, Koran

There is an interesting quote from the Warrior-Prophet:

"When, many centuries later, the Sareots were massacred by the Fanim in the fall of Shigek, it was
rumoured that the Padirajah himself had entered the Library. From his vest, the legend went, he pulled a
slender, leather-bound copy of the kipfa’aifan, the Witness of Fane, bent to the shape of his breast.
Holding it high in the airy gloom, he declared, “Here lies all written truth. Here lies the one path for all
souls. Burn this wicked place.” At that instant, it was said, a single scroll spilled from the racks and came
rolling to his booted feet. When the Padirajah opened it he found a detailed map of all Gedea, which he
later used to crush the Nansur in a number of desperate battles."

>>19500007
Mashallah

Books for this feel?

>>19500265
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19500265
Personally couldn't stand it, but you might like Seven Blades in Black for a getting-revenge story.

>>19495967
None. Video game "awards" are retarded.

>>19499921
Not competent as a roguelite, which also totally fucks the narrative pacing

>>19496068
What are we looking at?

>>19498996
Dropped after the first book. Boring as shit. I'd try the second if someone could make a valid argument for me to continue.

>>19500751
First book had to take the time to set up the characters and form the groups.
Second book you already know the characters and they're already in the places they need to be to (mostly) finish the series out.
Pacing in the 2nd and 3rd books is much better than the 1st, as is the story being told in each book, and the story being told in the trilogy as a whole.

Is this worth it?
I didn't really enjoy the Lord of the Rings

>>19501191
are you a basedface millennial? if so then read tolkien

>>19501254
Tolkien lacks a lot in his books, especially interpersonal relationships and humanistic/philosophical topics. His characters read really poorly.

>>19501191
it's a great book, but if you didn't like lotr maybe it's not for you idk

>>19501286
bait

>>19501290
I wasn't baiting, but whatever.

>>19499092
Oh the new ones out
Thanks anon

>>19501191
Depends on what you like. I really enjoy reading lotr and the hobbit but have never bothered with any of Tolkien's ancillary work.

>>19501326
I am sorry for your taste

>>19501585
I don't like children's books.

>>19498006
Thanks I will give it a read.

>>19501598
>He wrote a children's book, so all his book must be children's books
Kek, you can criticize Tolkien for a variety of reasons, but he deals with the themes in his books with a level of maturity seldom seem in any other author.

>>19501627
The Lord of The Rings ain't it, though. Which is why the other anon probably asked about the Children of Húrin.

>>19501627
Aren't they in the same universe?

>>19501286
>Tolkien lacks a lot in his books, especially interpersonal relationships and humanistic/philosophical topics. His characters read really poorly.
That is a fair complaint from a modern perspective; Tolkien did not write like a novelist, he wrote like a bard, or a historian. The Lord of the Rings is undeniably a great work of art, a masterpiece of mythopoiea, but it is designed first and foremost as a "found document"; it is written as if it were a real chronicle of historical events transmitted orally through a poet like Chaucer or Homer and then written down after the fact. It is meant to evoke The Song of Roland or Beowulf. It is not a conventional novel in any sense of the word, so it lacks the familiar conventions of prose and dialogue that readers of fiction have been accustomed to since Henry Fielding's Tom Jones, James Fenimore Cooper's The Last of the Mohicans, or Rafael Sabatini's Scaramouche, and certainly nothing like modern fantasy.

However these posts >>19501598 >>19501639 are intensely retarded, and if you're the same person who wrote them, then you should give up reading and subscribe to netflix instead.

>>19501711
The Hobbit is a children's book, though.
Cope.

>>19501727
>he got filtered by a childrens book

>>19501731
I accept your defeat.

>>19501727
What's wrong with children's books?

>>19501867
Who ever said there was?

I sent an email to Mr. Bakker inquiring about his status but I've yet to receive a reply. I doubt I'll ever get one.

>>19501924
Which e-mail? You used his web-site?

>>19501924
>There is a head on a pole behind you

>>19501931
richard[dot]scott[dot]bakker[at]gmail[dot]com

>>19501924
We don't care.

>>19501953
>We

>>19501953
I do.

>>19502014
>>19501946
>>19501931
>>19501924
We should all send him emails. He may need them.

>>19502025
the fixation you guys have with this literal who author is genuinely deranged, seek help

>>19502067
>I don't know him so no one else should care about him
okay zoomer

>>19496876
Most books written today are for a female audience since they're the ones who spend the most money on books.

>>19502067
What do you mean?

What are the core canonical texts of fantasy and sci-fi? Is there a chart?

>>19502025
I just dug into my sent email... looks like I emailed him back in 2018 just wishing him words of encouragement after finishing the series...my email was pretty cringeworthly not gonna lie. I signed off in the email saying "Truth shines."

>>19502224
I guess you didn't check the links in the original post.
But here in /sffg/ I'd recommend you to to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>19502224
The first 3. And you can and should Include Frank Herbert as well.

>>19502241
>I guess you didn't check the links in the original post.
>But here in /sffg/ I'd recommend you to to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

If you still need a reason to read Bakker, check out this goodreads review of his first book The Darkness That Comes Before.

>>19502252
I don't see Will Wight

>>19502241
>>19502252
This is exactly what I need thanks. I've read the first of the Wolfe series like a while ago but didn't love it enough to move on immediately, I will eventually though. I have Dune on bedside table. Bakker seems based too.

>>19502261
I don't know where she made up that "womanish" is being used all over the book. I did a quick search on the e-book and it has only seven mentions.

Dune + Tolkien + an all-but-dissertation PhD in philosophy = R. Scott Bakker

>>19502280
an "abd" is almost always a cope and a lie

>>19502284
>>19502280
I don't really care what he copes with what as long as he keeps writing more.
>There will never be more books by him and the current series will develop into a cult classic in 20 years when all the woke shit has passed.

Bakker? Why, yes, of course I read the works of renowned paleontologist Dr. Robert T. Bakker.

>>19502261
>>19502280

>>19502296
An Inchoroi claw unearthed from the sands of Eänna…? Or a Wracu’s?

Sisters?

>>19502332

>>19502261
Okay, I've been ignoring this series for a long time. This did it for me. I will now read your book.

>>19502367
It will ruin fantasy for you. It's that good.

>>19496298
The one in the pink is the absolute, and the guy is trying to grasp it.

>>19502352
I'm not American, sweetie.

>>19500877
how is the second trilogy? i thought the first one was ok, is the second one worth reading?

>>19502523
Its even more worth reading, the real shit with the consult, the inchoroi, the nonmen happen there.

I'm about to finish the Aubrey/Maturin series so I'm starting my search for another long ass series. How's this? Or any other recommendations?

>>19502632
when you mix game of thrones with babylon 5, this is what you get

Just finished Dune. At the very end there are two points I would like clarification on.

Paul is speaking with rev mother and says he remembers her from jabbar and can kill her with a word. I thought gom jabbar with a poison which kills the unchosen essentially?

Second confusion is pic rel. Thanks.

>>19498996
>Tough McVeteran hawked warm spit into the mud as he watched the southern soldier shit out the last of his life.

>>19499048
This one apologizes for being a faggot

>>19499048
Anime is this way >>>/a/.

>>19502025
I genuinely think that he's writing his PhD thesis at the moment.

>>19499048
Would you recommend cradle?

>>19502897
No.

>>19502897
Yes

>>19502895
he's too old

Chapter 16: The Third Layer Space of the Jiang Lan Realm

At the moment when the Cosmos was formed, Qin Yu already knew that he was able to use the most basic portion of the ‘temporal law.’ If he were to forcefully try to use temporal law that surpassed the limit that which this Cosmos could bear, then it might only lead to the cave-in of the entire Cosmos.
“This New Cosmos is still in its developmental stage. Currently, all I can use is ‘Time Acceleration.’ Furthermore, I can only accelerate time to around two thousand times.” Regarding this, Qin Yu was still very satisfied.
After all, even the third layer space of the Jiang Lan Realm was only able to speed up time by a thousand times.
Furthermore, Qin Yu was able clearly sense that the limit of his Time Acceleration was increasing as the New Cosmos continued to expand. He believed that should the New Cosmos reach a certain level, a Time Acceleration by the millions would also be possible.
Qin Yu also knew that the ‘Time Acceleration’ was merely the first stage of the temporal law.
When the Universal World shattered and formed the new Cosmos, the general understanding of the temporal law had entered Qin Yu’s mind.
The temporal law was separated into three levels.

I recently jumped into a rabbit hole involving someone who has vanished from the internet since ~2008. You're in for a long ride, Bakkerfags

>>19502897
If it is your first of its kind then you'll love it. It maintains a decent rollercoaster but eventually rides off into Sandersnore land. The best entry was Ghostwater and Bloodline was an insult.

>>19503009
name a better chinkshit than reverend insanity

>>19502897
It's kino.

>>19502897
It's shit. Don't fall for the same-faggotry going on in this thread.

Read Sanderson instead.

>>19503054
Even the people adapting Wheel of Time know not to read Sanderson

>>19503059
No wonder the TV Show is absolute dogshit. There's a reason why Sanderson said no. They're just angry because of it. Sanderson was the best thing to have happened to the Waste of Time.

>>19503059
>implying that the TV Show abomination is any good

>>19503089
wtf? cthulhu is racist he can't wear that shirt... I thought he was part of the unproblematic wizarding world... bros...

>>19502897
I would recommend the ritual suicide of all chinkshit and chinkshiteaters

>>19502853
1. as to your picture, Paul has drunk from the Water of Life and as the Kwisatz Haderach has survived the ordeal, making him invulnerable to the poisons the the Bene Gesserit can level against undesirables
2. the gom jabbar doesn't choose who to kill, the person wielding it does, it's a political statement, not a scientific one; furthermore he's saying that he is so far beyond the Bene Gesserit, that his psychic powers can obliterate Mother Mohiam
3. the book is 60 years old dude you don't need spoilers, everybody knows Rosebud was Kane's sled, Vader is Luke's father, and Santa Claus is real

>>19503150
this but also bakkerfags
bakkerfags and bugmen are two sides of the same tranime bodypillow

>>19503163

>reading chinese webnovel
>getting a massive craving for dumplings because he keeps fucking cooking them
I'm so hungry every night now lol

>>19503066
>No wonder the TV Show is absolute dogshit.
The show is fine. Faggots complaining about it went into it with high expectations.

>>19503163
>Bakker
>Anime

>>19503195
both are worshiped religiously by pseudointellectual manchildren who want everyone else to think they are very smart

>>19503187
Lol

>>19503212
The only reason why Bakker is worshiped here is because almost everything else is shit.

How is that our problem?

>>19503187

>>19503230
Junior... do you dare?

I just finished God Emperor and I'm thinking of going all the way into Dune. Somebody talk me out of it

>>19503258
if you like it carry on but the unfinished trilogy is herbert trying to write something more commercial after being pissed at how big star wars got

>>19503186
theres only 3 entities there
maybe anime and chinkshit morphed together

>>19496428
>I hecking love science bro!

>>19503238
hmmph you are not giving me any face, fine if you can withstand 3 of my moves its my loss.

shong ching had calculated that long min could at most take 1 of his moves, 3 moves left plenty of margin for error and let him avoid being accused of bullying the weak

>consult thought kellhus would voluntarily get into the sarcophagus lol

>>19503279

>>19503357
>>19503186
>>19503107
>>19503033
>>19499511
>>19499300
>>19498599
I'm sorry, but all of these are terrible. They all pretty much look like mush with different gradients. Can we go back to the portrait generator?

>>19503355
Kellhus committed suicide.
Yes, really

>>19503438

>>19503498

Bakkerchads, We Won!
Not Proyas, though...

>>19503258
I am halfway through Children of Dune just so I can get to God Emperor. what am I in for anon?

Sffg, I'm about halfway through book of the new sun. Severian just joined up with the irregular contrarii. Overall, the story is cooking up nicely. However, it seems like for a book and a half now, Wolfe has teased the spice of SciFi repeatedly, and I'm getting really hungry. I want the finished product of this series to hit all the flavourful notes that everyone claims it has....

Just finished the Unholy Consult. Is there a single scrap out there indicating what Bakker's working on next?

>>19503697
Unfortunately, no. We'll just have to wait patiently for him to give signs of life. Until then, you can read Neuropath.

Does Bakker have a reading list?

Asking for a friend.

>>19503717
If you want to get the most out of Bakker you need to read Tolkien, The Iliad, Odyssey and Aeneid at the bare minimum.

>>19503737
I did. But I'm also not interested in philosophy books, just fiction.

>>19503212
>>19503195
>>19503163
>Bakkerchads and Gu Cultivators are one and the same
They both acknowledge the superiority of an inhuman and amoral master manipulator as the protagonist. Only by removing emotion and morality can the underlying true nature of man and society be revealed. And only a truly uncommon man can be justified to be capable of changing the world to suit his purposes.
Really they're almost the same story, and have very similar philosophical worldviews. They're even both semi-permanently unfinished.
It would be very surprising if anyone enjoyed one without also thinking highly of the other.

>>19496128
just echoing a few of the other (you)'s in the last few threads in saying that I appreciate the reviews. i'll proabbly read this

>>19503835
>It would be very surprising if anyone enjoyed one without also thinking highly of the other.
Why would I want to read machine translated trash when I could be reading something like Bakker?

>>19503857
If you spoke Chinese you're be saying the same thing in reverse. To let something so minor as translation issues prevent you from reading a modern classic is asinine.
If you can't stand the translation, then learn Chinese. If for nothing else than reading Reverend Insanity, it'll be worth it.

>>19503874
Webnovels are written by a bunch of bored college students.
Actually once I read through the rest of your post it's obvious you're delusional.

>>19503878
The only delusional one here is you. This is a simple case of sour grapes.

>>19503835
deep and based

>>19503598
It's worth it

>>19503878
And Bakker is a Canadian, what’s ur point

>>19503999
>/sffg/ worships A FUCKING LEAF

why did moenghus start sweet talking cnaiur under kyudea? he was already about to die, cnaiur was going to finish him off either way, what benefit was there? was it a whim of pity like kellhus had for him as well?

>>19501711
This is why I love JRRT. He gave me Homer vibes and not modern psychological vibes. That being said the development of a few of his central characters in underappreciated

>>19503644
If you're interested in very scifi scifi, you'll love Urth. But I do think the scifi elements become more clear in the next couple books as well. They're hinted at and mostly very fantastical in the first have, but as Sev "ascends to the throne" (as he puts it at the start) some of the secrets reveal themselves. Some of them don't. Urth especially gets very revealing.

>>19503190
>doesn't meet high expectations
>fine
This is why I can't take any recs from you fucking idiots seriously

>>19504287
>Watch book adaptation
>Expect book adaptation
>"Wow stop having such high fucking standards"

>>19503032
Everlasting Immortal Firmament

>>19503032
Literally anything else since that story got banned and will never be finish.

>>19504390
Literally too based for the CCP to let go. Surprised the Author didn't get killed.

>>19499036
>John Gwynne
I keep hearing good things about him, I’m about to buy some of his books because of it. Hoping they don’t disappoint.

>>19504429
Get his The Faithful and the Fallen series as an introduction. You won't regret it.

>>19504434
Was already planning to. I was just curious about the shadow of the gods.

>>19504446
>shadow of the gods.
It has a promising start for a Norse mythology story. Don't know if he's planning on writing a sequel.

>>19496128
Hope you never stop doing these. You’re the only reason if I buy books or not.

>>19504457
That’s good to hear. I’ve been interested in Norse mythology recently.

>>19504470
Get The Wolf of the North: Wolf of the North Book by Duncan M. Hamilton and Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman

how many bakkerfags are there really? at first i thought it was 2-3 but it seems more like ten given how frequent they’ve kept up the spamming

>>19504478
Thanks, will do.

>>19504485
You might also check the mega folder in the OP and the Goodreads link

>>19504493
Thanks, will go. Kinda hesitant on the goodreads group.

New thread
>>19504501

>>19504499
I wouldn't worry about it, the person doing the reviews watches over the group.

>>19504482
a lot of people are just getting into it maybe

>>19504482
2-3 people

>>19503598
I thought it was boring but way less so than Dune Messiah.

>>19504287
If you went into the show with super high expectations, you're the faggot in this situation.