/lit/ - Literature

Read Reverend Insanity.

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19465746
coming back to this general after 2 months away and seeing this still going is very nice

Fuck chinkshit
and fuck chinkshitters

All /sffg/fags must hang

>>19465598
Is the reason I can't get non-pozzed recommendations because you're all a bunch of fucking faggots?

For those of you who’ve read the Redwall books would you say they can be enjoyed by an adult, particularly one who has never read them before? I remember the cartoon being on tv when I was younger but aside from a few vague memories I can’t claim to know much about the story, but I’m at a loss for reading material at the moment and I managed to get a secondhand paperback the other day

This is my first time on 4chan and I'm sure I'm about to commit some sins you guys will call me a faggot for. Have at it, I'm old and uncool and have no idea what I'm doing. My apologies.
I found my way here somehow after getting extremely blackpilled by the fact that every fantasy entry on the goodreads choice awards is tagged with LGBT. I read a lot, I read all the old shit and I like discovering new books and authors, but the past few years I can't find fuckall that isn't about a stunning and brave lesbian trans woman fighting the system. I'm sick of it. I just want to read cool stories about other worlds without having social justice propaganda crammed down my throat.
So yeah, can I ask you guys for some recommendations of new(ish) releases that aren't full of faggotry and race hustling?

>>19466063
hi old faggot, now you understand why every white male in his 20's is in to anime or manga. the only shit that i am aware of at all that isn't full blown globo homo (other than how feminine the characters look) is from japan. this includes video games as well.

>>19466006
i read them all as a child
theyre for children, if you enjoy childrens media then sure

>>19466063
Why would you type something this huge just for people to reply with Bakker, what's the point.

>>19466063
I mostly read shitrpg because it's largely free of that stuff, particularly if you avoid American authors.

>>19466214
>shitrpg
Excuse me?

I finished Stephen Lawhead's Song of Albion and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. It's not trash, but I'm not satisfied. 6/10 I'd say.

>>19466063
>I found my way here somehow after getting extremely blackpilled by the fact that every fantasy entry on the goodreads choice awards is tagged with LGBT.
Where did you find out this?

>>19466222
i assume he means litrpgs

>>19466603
I was just looking up the books that were up for the awards in hopes of finding something good that came out this year to read, the vast majority have the LGBT tag, and a good portion of the sci fi entries do as well.

If you're asking how I ended up here though, i was googling "unwoke book recommendations", found my way to kiwi farms, and heard 4chan /lit/ mentioned there.

Any fantasy books that give off the same vibes as this image?

>>19466063
I think most SFF fans have realized their beloved genres are dead

You might have some luck looking into self published/obscure works or anything connected to people who supported GG or the puppy campaign or any related movement, but it's going to be wading thru shit in hopes of finding a gem

enjoy the classics and embrace our nipponese overlords

>>19466880
Any self insert power fantasy?

>>19466616
Excuse me?

>>19466961
Such as?

>>19466880
The Neverending Story?

Would you an Inchoroi?

>>19466880
Virgin self insert isekai trash.

>>19466880
The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe

>>19467042
Would it give me a choice?

>>19467150
Shaeonnara seemed to.

>>19466063
"Chase the Morning" by Michael Scott Rohan is pretty good. Not a well known book but I like it, its a unique mix between reality and fantasy novel, a really memorable book.

The Shadowmarch series by Tad Williams is good too, no obvious LGBTQ/SJW crap that stood out as far as I can remember. His "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" series is also pretty good.

>>19467209
not the guy you're responding to, but I read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn and a major plot device of the latter 2 (that is, 3) novels was the main girl being a fucking whore deliberately cucking the impotent protag and the protag simping for her in spite of it while she degrades him and tells him to stop simping for two (three) whole books

What's the chance that Moengus was right and Kellhus has just gone nuts?

>>19466063
>found my way here somehow after getting extremely blackpilled by the fact that every fantasy entry on the goodreads choice awards is tagged with LGBT.
I saw that, too. These are supposed to be the "best" books of the year, but most people have never heard of them. And, they're all the same: books written by niggers, fags, women, or a combo of the three, injecting their retarded SJW politics into the narrative.

These Goodreads year-end lists have been pozzed for a while.

Does China have any notable wizards (cultivators) like the West has Gandalf and Raistlin?

>>19466086
anime is for faggots.

>>19466712
>found my way to kiwi farms
link to the thread, please.

>>19467319
yes but they're all fanfic addons to "Yet Another Remake of" Journey to the West

>>19466880
The Golden Age

>>19465598
Why the fuck are these girls so hungry skeleton skinny, but wear baggy clothes?

>>19467262
not him, but iirc that was in line with her character and position in the story, it didn't bother me. plus the payoff of that plot fits

you are right that some important characters are kinda cucks, i'm thinking of the protag and the king's brother, but they have good character arcs, it's just how the author felt like making them and i think it fits ok. plus it was written couple decades ago, no? i never thought of it as suspect of wokeism or whatever

>>19467402
only baggy clothes is the jacket, you could legitimally mistake her for a whore if she was just next to the street without the bike

Just finished Prince of Nothing, about to start Aspect-Emperor. Am I in for a good time, anons?

>>19467661
its 10x more psychotic than prince of nothing especially the last 2 books, id recommend you take a little break first and prepare yourself

>>19467672
>>19467661
I'm planning to read Prince of Thorns after I finish Children of Dune. What am I in for?

>>19467638
>plus the payoff of that plot fits
what payoff? Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn has the biggest case of literary blue balls I've ever suffered

>>19467672
Recommendations for the break? Got a couple nonfiction books I can insert in there already.

>>19467684
I said I finished Prince of Nothing, not Prince of Thorns, anon. Haven't read that series, but hope you enjoy it.

>>19467661
Aspect Emperor is great, but different from Prince of Nothing in some ways. The pacing is slower, there's more philosophy, sometimes it can feel a bit confusing with all the mindfuck passages as we start to learn about the nature of the world.

>>19467276
I feel like that's low given that other characters can see these haloes about his person. Also, his visions of the No-God are really close to Achamian's.

>>19467638
>i never thought of it as suspect of wokeism or whatever
That's the problem these days isn't it? More and more is deemed unacceptable from all sides. The center will be attacked from both sides.

>>19467791
Ah, shit. I misread that.

>>19467841
Blasphemy!

I am LGBT

>>19466006

I'll be honest and say no, you missed the boat. It's not that they're bad books, I enjoyed them immensely when I was a boy, but I just think my literary pallet has grown a bit too broad for me to truly enjoy them again. And they aren't that well written, at least when compared to authors like Tolkien and CS Lewis, that are imho timeless.

Don't think I'm trying to sound snobbish either, I went through a similar experience with many authors; M.R.James' ghost stories, Tom Brown's school days etc... All totally unreadable to me nowadays.

>>19467716
i don't remember the ending exactly, did the protag kill the demon by literally feeling forgiveness and love towards him instead of hate?

>>19467836
what do you mean

>>19468134
No, the protag literally didn't do anything. The aforementioned whore princess shot an arrow through her evil king dad (who's body the Storm Prince Ineluki was possessing) and the death of the body caused the Storm Prince to self-destruct and causing his army of Winter Court Sithi to evaporate.
Oh and also the protagonist Simon happened to be the long lost heir to the fisher-king for some reason because Tad Williams forgot what the hell he was doing with that plotline so he conveniently happens to be an eligible match for whore princess.

>>19466006
I've not read any since I was 15 but I'm going with a no, at least for the earlier ones. The black and white morality and essentialism irritated me as a boy and I have no doubt I'd find it worse as an adult

>>19468134
>what do you mean
Both sides of the culture war want to attack others over more and more things. What was once acceptable no longer is.

>>19468572
>getting irritated by black and white morality in a children's book series about talking animals
do you complain about the black and white morality in Rupert Bear or Franklin Turtle too?

>>19466006
If you enjoy children's literature, sure. I have a lot of nostalgia for Redwall but rereading it as an adult I got bored with it after a couple books, it's just not very substantial. Great for kids who want adventure stories though.

>>19467276
He was obviously righf. Kellhus began to lose his shit during his Circumfixion and by the time of TAE he was on his way to full blown madness. Throw in some Meat and pacts with the pit and bada bing, bada boom, Aspect-Emperor Madman.

>>19466063
Read stuff published by older authors. Tad Williams and Raymond E Feist are still publishing but you don't see them being celebrated because they've been publishing for 30+ years. There's also more than enough stuff still being made that caters to people who don't buy into wokism, your problem is you truck with wokists and hang out on their sites so you just have it shoved in your face constantly.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1216553955
Rothfuss cooking up something special.

>>19468888
wasted quads, Tad Williams is as woke as they come, Empire of Grass is full of trannies and shameless plugs about global warming

>>19468888
>digits
Older authors sometimes sell out to wokism to stay relevant. Stephen Baxter's Evolution is a wonderful book I'd recommend to anybody but his latest, Galaxias, is wokist trash that offers an interesting premise and then shits on it for the whole rest of the book. It's a disease and anyone can catch it.

Progression fantasy is bad because... it just is okay?!

>>19466712
>coming to 4chan from kiwi farms
wew lad

>>19465746
how tall is he?

After finishing the first book, I don't think I can continue with prince of nothing. I just hate kellhus too much. He seems like the author's self insert. I enjoyed the writing though.

>>19469234
>I just hate kellhus too much. He seems like the author's self insert.
That’s because it is. It’s nothing more than a power fantasy.

>>19465862
Kowtow before me and I’ll leave you a complete body

>>19469250
>>19469234
I don't understand how people can think this. He's literally soulless, and gets no satisfaction from being able to dominate so easily. There's no "fun" in it so I don't see how anybody could self insert as him. It would be like trying to self insert as an earthquake, or a drought or a plague. Super powerful but... not human either

>>19469339
Congrats, you just denied the entire purpose of cultivation/xianxia.

>>19469339
that maybe true. but it's also not very interesting to see a force of nature like a drought or earthquake do nothing but dominate and have everyone be helpless in its wake.

Do you guy use e-readers over reading on your phone?

>>19469575
There are only two acceptable ways to read at length: physical and a proper e-reader.

>>19468961
You've never read a single thing written by Tad Williams

Books where the protag winds up amongst aliens or fantasy creatures and has to learn their language and how to communicate with them, but communication isn't the central focus of the book?

>>19469670

>>19469531
It gets better in aspect-emperor where he stops being pow character entirely.

Speaking of Bakker-faggotry, does anything else have the schizo-Hyperborean energy that 2nd Apocalypse does?

Any good recs for something like the Laundry Files? Preferably like the first couple in the series.

Working on Christian xianxia...

>>19469029
what is progression fantasy?

>>19470707
Fantasy where the increasing power level of the protagonist(s) is one of the primary focus of the narrative. LitRPG and Xianxia are the two most infamous subgenres of progression fantasy.

>>19470717
>infamous
This is literally like winning the special Olympics

>>19469234
As you haven’t learned yet (Probably because you didn’t read but one book), Achamian is the self insert of Mr Bakker, and he has himself said writing Kellhus parts of the books were the hardest.

Having said that, I self inserted myself as Kellhus but that says more about me than about the books.

>>19465746
>lost all my bakker books when i tried to take a flight to china but didn't have govt permission and a bikie tried to kill me and said he was coming back with a gun and i had to run like 10km home and dump my bag of books including all the bakkerinos

reprints when they are too expensive

>>19470477
that could be pretty epic

so now that the dust has settled, what did we think of Cytonic?

>>19470893
I''m not as versed in theological debates and gnosticism as I would like to be. I'm starting from a standpoint of Pelagius vs Augustine right now, who else would be relevant?

>>19470890
>Kellhus I am not. I’m the kind of guy who would starve for forgetting to eat. I sometimes think I’m only half a person, given the way my projects consume me and my attention. I depend on others to lend me the semblance of being whole, more than most, I think. There’s my wife and my daughter, of course. My agent, Chris Lotts, and my brother, Bryan.

from the acknowledgment section at the end of The Great Ordeal that I thought was interesting

>>19470895
havent started yet. how woke is it?

>>19470935
It has a tranny.

>>19470928
shit replied to the wrong guy

>>19470840 meant to reply to him

>>19470900
origen

>>19468888
>your problem is you truck with wokists and hang out on their sites so you just have it shoved in your face constantly.
Completely true, I use mainstream sources and mainstream inevitably equals woke. I also have limited knowledge of how to find alternative sources. I have to admit I feel like a creep being on this site meant for kids who probably weren't even alive when I graduated college. So any recommendations for places where I can discover and discuss sff stuff that haven't completely succumbed to lunacy would be highly appreciated.

>>19470938
Dropped.

>>19470938
dude is a mormon. he needs to stop bending to the sjws.

>>19466063
If you're still here, try the works of Dan Simmons. He got so angry about Obama becoming presient he wrote a whole book about how it led to the collapse of western civilization (Flashback).

That's not his best book though. Read Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion. Abandon series after that unless you really hate catholics.

>>19470938
>>19471504
>>19471542
this was discussed last thread, it's literally just a woman wearing pants

>Night fell. I stayed on the wall, watching distant torches roam the city. The mob was evolving, developing a nervous system. If it developed a brain we would find ourselves caught in a revolution.
tfw will never be able to write like this

>>19472022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_brain

>>19468798
I know it's hard to fathom that children understand the world has nuance and want the media they consume to reflect that, but at least make an attempt

Why does he looks so old

https://youtu.be/uQM7XMySBLA

I'm having a hard time finishing Children of Dune. The actions and motivations of the big players are very hard to follow. Everyone is playing some unintelligible 5D chess, everything is vague as fuck. And then there is the mumbo jumbo drivel of prescience talk: muh terrible purpose, I AM THE FUCKING UNIVERSE etc etc etc.

Why would Jessica instruct Gourney to inject Leto with concentrated spire juice if that's exactly what made Paul so overpowered and unpredictable that he became out of reach for the Bene Gesserits? What the fuck is the golden path?

>>19472571
What the hell do you want from a furry cartoon? Voyna i Mir? A tragedy by Corneille? Game of Thrones? Get off your high horse and let kids enjoy their fairy tales you fart-sniffing prig, they got enough stuff to worry about.

going to get my dad the darkness that comes before for christmas.
his favorite series is hyperion I think.

whenever he and my grandmother and I are around together she finds subtle ways to criticize and annoy him, and I pick up on the comments and join in. reading xerius/istriya/conphas interactions felt kind of familiar. he's becoming kind of a crazy schizo lately.

>>19472858
I also had some difficulty finishing Children of Dune, not because it was too hard to follow but because im ESL and the book is quite a slow read as its very condensed.

Basically Leto is injected with spice to see whether he is Abomination (have his inner lives taken control) or not.

READING BEYOND THIS IS SPOILERS ON CHILDREN OF DUNE ENDING AND THE GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE

The Golden Path is where Leto will merge with sandtrouts, will live for four thousand years and bring the Peace of Leto to the Universe which will last as long as he lives. The long peace acts as a huge lesson to the humanity. And the lesson is basically what he has been saying all along, that the universe is in constant state of change and the rules change all the time. The long peace and the abrupt end of it will be a start for some major shit but I won't spoil too much. Basically what Leto II does is all for the very survival of the human race.

I agree with you that Children of Dune is a hard read and many times what the characters do seems very strange but I guess you just have to pay more attention to all of it.

>>19473642
I'm also ESL, and I'm making an honest effort to keep up and interpret to the best of my abilities. I haven't given up yet, so I'll read your spoiler after I finish Children. Dune Messiah was also a very cryptic first read, but at least I was able to make some sense of it by the end. I just wish I didn't have to endure >15 consecutive pages of mystical prescience nonsense from characters that are not even human anymore. All I can think is that Frank Herbert was trying to incorporate his own experiences with acid and went way too far with it. But I'll keep struggling.

>>19473642
That isn't The Golden Path. You've misunderstood.

>>19473456
You join in to attack him? What a bad son.

>>19466880
I was thinking of using an old romantic painting of a knight and princess for the cover of my scifi romance novel. Even though it's a space opera.

>>19471117
No Site For Old Men

>>19471542
Those who don't voluntarily bend are forcibly broken. Those are the only two choices.

>>19467319
Fang Yuan

Turns out there's 50+ series that I read one or more books in the series and then lost interest and decided to probably never read another book in that series again.

>>19474027
he's literally insane

Cnauir is such a psychopath piece of shit that I almost liked Khellus for long stretches for cucking and absolutely mogging him, except in the second series I concluded Khellus is a Mao tier monster, basically as bad as the satanic forces of the Consult.

This part felt good though.

>>19472303
>using walkie talkies
why does it matter what the signal is?
what if chink1 calls his mom, and chink2 takes a bite of a burger? and that's the synaptic signal. who gives a shit, it's not like the universe should care how you simulate a brain when it dispenses consciousness to all the brains. if walkie talkies would work, then so would innocuous self contained actions like that.
actually, just design your synaptic signaling system such that it's a long series of innocuous actions like that that have already happened, or are presently still happening, so that there's a china brain thinking and being conscious in real time right now.
the ONLY difference between this and walkie talkies is that it's easier for us as people to recognize walkie talkies as a clean working system. but that's all in the eye of the beholder. and the beholder here is god and he shouldn't care.

>>19474283
series are worse than standalone by definition

>>19474380
Nah, that's just a "literary fiction" bias because they are almost always standalone. Basically all the SFF greats are series.

>>19474287
So are you.

>>19474328
Based on this post you've been reading the series for the wrong reasons.

>>19474042
It isn't a space opera. It's a planetary romance.

>no one has heard from Bakker since 2019
>no one has heard from Abu BAKKER Al-Baghdadi since he was supposedly assassinated by the USA in 2019
Coincidence?

Both led fanatical armies against a greater evil. Both seemed disturbingly comfortable with rape and atrocity. Was Khellus autobiographical for Bakker's rise through Al Qaeda in Iraq, highjacking of a Holy War, and eventual rule of the Islamic Caliphate?

>>19474424
I came for the sick battles and ill as fuck lore. I was promised Beserk vibes, something no other manga fully delivers, and got them.

The philosophical stuff was cool sometimes I guess. Sometimes I kind of nodded out. Lotta big words.

Speaking of space operas, I don't have very many scifi books in my library. Any good recommendations? Aside from Star Wars novels, I only have Dune, John Carter, an HP Lovecraft omnibus, most of the Jules Verne stories, and all the major Michael Crichton techno-thrillers. I also have Who Goes There?/Frozen Hell.
I'd be most interested in space operas, and I want to avoid anything written by asians.

>>19474624
Hyperion and Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space, Chasm City is the best one.

>>19474634
Chasm City isn't space opera. It's a sci-fi mystery investigation thriller.

>>19474565
Wolfsmund

>>19474624
>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)

>>19474624
Upthread somebody posted a photo of Jack Vance.

Dude wrote great space opera. Really unique stuff. And also really unique prose. When I first read him I couldn't tell if he was a weirdo hack, or a mad genius.

>>19474431
Yeah but I was talking about my book. I didn't want a romance book cover with a big oiled up body builder. I thought about the cover of The Stand which is just a piece that looks like the detail from some Flemeish Renaissance painting with a knight fighting an evil demon creature. Thought I'd so something similar with a knight and a lady/princess.

Only there's an odd disconnect between the medieval fantasy suggestion with the actual space opera setting.

>>19474527
Sounds like you have a novel on your hands after you change the names.

>>19474761
>Only there's an odd disconnect between the medieval fantasy suggestion with the actual space opera setting
There isn't. If you prefer calling it the sword and planet genre, then sure. There's no disconnect. There's many that have done similarly.

>>19474754
>space operas that aren't Star Wars or Dune and aren't written by asians
how much more specific do I need to get before it stops being "vague"?

>>19465746
The strong seed forces the womb.

>>19474829
There are far more varied than you think.
All that can be provided with that are lists, not specific recs. Anyone who'd do so is trying to get you to read what they want.

>>19474919
ok well then let me try limiting it even further - in fact the criteria will be so limiting that there probably won't be any examples extant once I list it: a feel-good wholesome space opera with a happy ending

>>19474961
I haven't read it because such things don't interest me, but probably anything from Becky Chambers.

It sounds like you may be interested in this as well:
https://www.tor.com/2020/03/20/books-in-which-no-bad-things-happen/

https://www.tor.com/2020/11/25/searching-for-books-in-which-no-bad-things-happen/

>>19474527
>tfw you realize the completion of the IRL thousandfold thought

>>19474989
Very snide response, thanks, exactly what I was expecting from the thread that worships Bakker's bowel movements.

>>19472953
>let kids enjoy their fairy tales
It's too late, the children of the world read my post on this anonymous Tibetan thangka paining board and can no longer enjoy things. Joy is dead

>>19475026
I don't know what you mean. It's what you asked for in the spoiler.

>>19474624
If you can into old school cornball fun read Lensman.

>>19475116
I'll look into it
>>19474761
anything in particular? I looked at Vance's bibliography and none of that struck me as "space opera", it seemed rather conventional Silver Age scifi stuff

>>19475073
You excel at being whiny.

>>19474624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_opera_media

Favorite Discworld book? For me, it's Small Gods.

Why do so many characters like Proyas in the Second Apocalypse? He comes off as a stuck-up fanatic.

>>19475302
Reaper Man

>>19475329
He gives of the honey of his anus freely. What's not to like?

>say sanderson sucks
>27 downvotes
what do people like about way of kings? honestly

>>19475302
For me it's also Small Gods

>>19475469
Fuck Sanderson

>>19475469
Negativity in general is going to get you downvoted.

>>19475329
it helps if you are religious, he's also a heckin doubterino and a decent guy

One of the things I struggle with most is not irrationally hating all interaction.

>>19475513
TradCath LARPER

>>19474527
The Saudi's are the Consult and Trump was an Inchori? Are the post Soviet Russians in Syria the Nonmen? They lost their glory but still retain great power.

Anybody reading/read the latest (last?) book in the Ender's Game universe, The Last Shadow?

Finished it earlier today, and it was extremely underwhelming. It was particularly disappointing to see the series finish it's descent into science fantasy (not that there's anything wrong with science fantasy, it's just not what the series started as and the series still thinks it's science fiction).

>>19474416
All the SFF greats are standalones that got inferior and unnecessary sequels.

>>19475691
Indeed, The Hobbit should've been the only book that took place in Middle-Earth.

>>19475702
Yes and why not

>>19475691
There's no such thing as a genre fiction great.

>>19475721
This. Great genre fiction is just literary fiction situated within genre.

>>19475733
Wrong. That's just people trying to justify their guilty cravings.

>>19475837
>books aren't good unless they're unenjoyable and inscrutable
the Fin de Siecle called, they want their aristos back

>>19476131
Do you enjoy being the new Mal du siècle?

>>19476165
Yes.
Mal de Siecle gave us Romanticism; Wagner, Shelley, Delacroix.
Fin de Siecle gave us Modernism: Nietzsche, Foucault, Keynes.
I will gladly suffer the accusation of the former and would kill myself if I subscribed to the latter.

>>19475148
Try the Demon Princes. It's basically Kill Bill in space.

And conventional Silver Age stuff is space opera.

>>19469925
Holy based, checked

I wanna write Star Wars but my plot keeps turning into the prequels

>triggers wokecels and women by accurately describing an Indian shithole and its dirty people
Dan Simmons is based.

>>19475702
exceptions don't prove the rule

count the amount of great standalones against the vast amount of garbage standalones and the proportion will be decent. now do the same for series, which i agree there are more than one, where the whole series is great compared to the amount of garbage series or garbage series which actually managed to ruin what would have been a great standalone with shitty sequels otherwise

we could also get into what is what, because for example i would consider Children of Hurin or The Hobbit standalones desu, not part of a bigger a series just because they take place in the same universe

>>19475527
I hate papists

friendly reminder that all high epic fantasy is trash. that includes hacks like bakker and wolfe

>>19476642
You will never be type B.

>>19476647
>You will never be type B.

>>19476563
You want some metal shit, read Chandra Bose's Runaway Cyclone.

No, not the cool Chandra Bose who wanted to side with Hitler in WWII, the other Chandra Bose.

>>19475329
Because Akka's goofy challenging of Proyas's beliefs comes off a bit ridiculous when you remember that Hell is real and every single fucking sorcerer is damned for eternity.

Nersei Proyas is the only person who actually seems concerned with damnation. Like seriously concerned. The way that Akka just blithely accepts "well I know I'm going to SUFFER FOR ETERNITY" but hey I can burn people alive now lol so it's worth it"

Like what sort of person would EVER accept sorcery if they knew this? Proyas is the only sane person in the original cast.

What's some good sci-fi with great prose? I don't care if the story is bad as long as the prose is good.

>>19474328
By the end of the story, you will cheer every time you see Cnaiur.

>>19476682
Akka really didn't have a say on the matter on being a sorcerer. Mandate snatched Akka when he was very young and was basically made a sorcerer whether he wanted it or not.

Of course, sorcerers will eventually or rather early learn that they are damned and have various ways of trying to cope with it.

Nevertheless, not all religions believe that sorcerers are damned. For Fanimry the Psukhe practising sorcerers are priests of the solitary god.

You'll have to also ask, what proof they have of their religion? Do they actually have real concrete proof of hell? Proof that sorcerers will go to hell other that the Tusk condemning the sorcerers AND nonmen. If you ask me, the inchoroi manipulated men to have those tenets included in the tusk.

The real catch of the whole story is that rules about sin and virtue are entirely up to the gods and so it is very subjective who gets to heaven and who doesnt. And as it seems, most will go to Hell because it is kinda how the whole Outside operates.

Funny thing is that its quite a short list of people we know are going to Heaven. Mimara, Esmenet? Who else (Kellhus?).

>>19476691
Neuromancer, Hyperion, Children of Ruin

>>19476718
>Kellhus?
Might be just a very powerful wizard who thinks that daimos can help him to get away with it because he went completely fucking nuts after that time when he got hanged upside down. Achamian states that his mark is so fucking intense people who see the mark can barely see his physical form, his status as seen by judging eye was not shown to reader as well. It's very possible that he is getting chewed by ciphrang in some pit as of current ending, the only clue against that is that Ajokli can't find him.

>>19476836
Kellhus said he had made some pact or arrangement with some higher powers. And Ajokli himself possessed Kellhus in the end. I think Kellhus made a pact with Ajokli. Kellhus either is a ciphrang or a god. It is hard to tell because the outside is outside the time itself so its hard to tell who in the real world might actually be a ciphrang or a god outside. Mimara saw that the men of the ordeal outside golgotterath were not only damned but something greater than that. It seems like to more damned you become the more power you might have in Hell. Its a fucked up world Bakker conjured.

>>19476922
I'm talking about moment when Ajokli possessed Cnaiur and just waked into No-God's whirlwind screaming that he's gonna fuck Kellhus' shit up but wasn't able to see anything. I got it that whatever pact they made no longer exists because Kellhus botched his part, and Ajokli isn't happy about that. Considering his knowledge he definitely prepared some contingency in case of his physical death, but there's no way to say what it was and did it work until Bakked fucking releases next book

>>19476949
>Until Bakker releases his next book
Why hold on to hope, when there is none. The dread of No-God can be felt everywhere.

>>19475016
kek

>>19476682
Don't they not know for sure Hell is real? Akka is always going on about doubts. Pretty sure only the blind Muslim sorcerer dudes have actually seen the outside and the suffering and they don't give a shit because the Solitary God will fuck up the Hundred some day. I don't even think them seeing this is revealed until the second series. Aside from that only Khellus goes outside.

>>19476836
Khellus has already been to the Pit and brought back two dead Ciphrang. He's not really one for pointless bragging and as he notes of the Inverse Fire, he doesn't fear Hell because he goes as a hunter there. If he's dead he probably still a demigod down there.

>>19476922
>ciphrang or a god
There is literally no difference except power level. Those things are not gods in sense of transcendent beings that create realities, but just powerful spider entities that live in the Outside and eat souls of sentient beings. Writers of the Tusk figured out that it might be possible to convince them to not eat you in bad way if you worship them as gods. Something of Nonmen origin notes that humans try to escape "damnation" by pretending to be their pets.

>>19476563
kek, I keep seeing r*ddit seething over Simmons for wrongthink because he wrote a novel about a time traveler fighting against an islamic future or something

a quick browse of that site makes you realize why awards/the SFF community is pozzed to all hell

>>19477201
This is funny since from what I read from Simmons he seems like goodest of goys who slurps jews even when it is completely out of place to do so. I guess when you're such a good goy you can get away with poking at lesser protected classes sometimes.

>>19477201
Simmons is a jew, of course he would be against Muslims and Islam.

>smartest man in the world
>spend your time raising sorcerers and fucking nights and making your Goku magic powers stronger
>1 v 1 your enemies Goku style head on
>Don't spend time actually looking at the world. Don't immediately use empire to begin manufacturing artillery and belt feds
>could have just shown up to fight the Consult and been like, "nice Bashrag shithead, watch me fucking kill all of them for 600 yards away with one artillery volley.
The Dunyain we're absolutely correct that magic is a crutch that makes people weak. Hence a handful of surviving Inchori in a damaged ship fucking up a world of immortal Nonmen. Dudes had what, a handful of probably less than megaton nukes?

If the Arc showed up on Earth instead of Erwa we'd just blast it. I heckin love science wins again I guess.

>>19477355
He was in a lot of hurry to start his shit, it took him 20 years to get it going as it was, without introducing anything groundbreaking that would require radical overhaul of economy. For all his powers he is still just a human who will die of old age before seeing world that can't even smelt steel properly catch up to what he invented.
Real question is why didn't he just took a trip to Golgotterath and clapped their asses after he was sure that his magic abilities are good enough (and before they find Ishual to existence of which he attracted attention by stirring up shit during Holy War. For all his exploration of possibilities he initially did not consider that they would and Dunyain will team up with them). In the end he still engaged consult solo, and dragging countless thousands with him made no difference to how it turned out.
Or was burying entire combined military might of Three Seas together with most of available trinkets and sorceress part of the plan?

Hey guys I just finished Neuromancer and honestly I didn't get it. I'm probably retarded but I just could not understand what the fuck was going on half the time.

I really wanted to get into cyberpunk but I'm afraid I might be too much of a brainlet. Is there any other cyberpunk book I should try? Something that will not be as confusing to me as Neuromancer?

Somebody knows good books like the martian? Hated the dialogues but really liked the problem solving.

>>19477419
Neuromancer can be difficult to follow, especially the ending. You could try

>Snow Crash
Easy reading, very campy

>Altered Carbon
Fairly recent, run of the mill cyberpunk mystery. The first chapter is absolutely awful

>Software by Rudy Rucker
Predates Neuromancer by a few years. Much more focus on robotics and AI, frequently borders on silly or absurd in a way that I don't think is entirely intentional. Plot tapers off a bit in the second half

>Blindsight
More of a first contact story but there's tons of Cyberpunk crammed in as well. Recommending it with the caveat that if you struggled with Neuromancer it might be frustrating reading

>>19477454
Asimov?

>>19477465
Based, thank you, m8. Will try Snow Crash.

>>19477390
Not sure why he took the army. Seemed pointless. However, he wasn't supposed at all when Akka told him the Ishual was destroyed and when he goes to see the heads of the Consult he already knows they have been enslaved by the Dunyain because he basically tells the former Consult heads to fuck off and let him talk to the real bosses. What doesn't make sense is why he didn't go get them first. A few hundred Dunyain would be a much better match for the Gods. Probably because then the story would suck.

I have to ask, anything about a metaverse or metaverse-like?

>>19477465
>Asimov

nice thanks

>>19477505
Snowcrash feels very dated, but it is also a ton of fun. I was not a big fan of Cryptinomicon, dropping it after going through 800 pages, but Snowcrash is great. It's a lot less artistic on the prose than Neuromancer. His book Anathem seems more interesting but I only made it like 40 pages before losing it.

Count Zero and Digital Light are both good Gibson books and a bit less complex I felt.

>>19477510
>What doesn't make sense is why he didn't go get them first. A few hundred Dunyain would be a much better match for the Gods.
Because it is given that Dunyain will side with Consult. Dunyain were refining themselves into a beings of pure reason, and you don't even need pure reason to side with Consult when you are aware of whole picture, normal worldborn amount of reason would be sufficient. He saw through Moe's intend to side with consult. He could get his own son but he didn't because there is danger of him siding with consult. The only reason why he didn't do it himself is because he was literally fucking insane, at least initially, and later learned about alleged better way around.

>>19477576
I guess it kind of depends on how Bakker thinks of the Absolute and Solitary God. It sounds like Hegel or Fichte. Attaining that Absolute would allow the Dunyain not to worry about the Gods since they could overcome them.

>>19476380
I dunno reading the descriptions seemed a lot more like planetary romance than space opera to me

>>19477510
>>19477390
I strongly suspect that wasn't Kellhus at all. We know about the head swapping already, and a Dunyain being a ciphrang doesn't make sense at all, given their philosophy they should have no desire for hedonistic torment. And if he just wanted power, it seems incredibly simple for him to have either just joined the Consult outright and reverse engineered the Tekne, or to have teleported to Ishual, proven the existance of magic, and created an army of demigod sorcerers, or even both!
The only motivation that makes sense is if he wanted the army of the three seas, the dunyain, the schools, and the consult ALL dead, and not just dead but damned. That's the motivation of a ciphrang! But what's totally against the motivation of a ciphrang is the No-God, which they explicitly don't know about.

My theory is that he DID join the Consult, gave them the location of Ishual, then sent Ajokli out on the campaign while he stayed behind to start a civil war and possibly find the Heron Spear(both to prevent it from being used, and also to have an absolute bargaining tool against the Inchoroi after the no-god activates), resulting in the heavens being sealed almost immediately once the ordeal men got killed by the no-god.

>>19477568
>It's a lot less artistic on the prose than Neuromancer

That might be a good thing for me. I have seriously never felt as retarded as I did when reading Neuromancer. Granted, I was reading the Spanish translation which had tons of little mistakes, but I wasn't able to picture Gibson's descriptions. Everything felt disjointed and disconnected. Maybe it's because I'm not used to cyberpunk, but some reviews I read suggest that I wasn't the only one with this problem.

>>19477670
>reading in transaltion
You get what you fuckign deserve.

>>19477657
That's actually pretty cool theory, and it also explains why narindar were after him.

Cyber Monday started on Bookdepository and they have some science fiction books on sale.
The discount coupon for Black Friday works too.

>>19477465
>Altered Carbon
Not him, was the book series better than the show? I’m aware the plot’s vary wildly between the two but I couldn’t even finish the first season because of how bad it was

>>19477546
Maybe Transition by Iain M. Banks, although it is more about parallel universes.

>>19477943
the first book of Altered Carbon was pretty kino. Rather complex though, I think I'll have to do a re read to properly appreciate everything.

Do you guys know if any of the Halo or Warhammer 40k books are worth reading? Pls no bully, I just want something stupid and theatrical to read over Christmas.

>>19478091
go for the ones written by eric nylund, start with Fall of Reach. not high literature or anything but they are recommendable, i still revisit them once every couple years for a quick and satisfying read. and they are miles away from all the other halo novels, some of those are garbage

>>19465598
https://apps.npr.org/best-books/#tags=sci+fi%2C+fantasy+%26+speculative+fiction&view=covers&year=2021

>>19465598
Do the expanse books actually get any good? I’ve just finished the second one and they just seem a bit poorly written and cliche?

>>19477657
Your theory goes in contrast with the ending

>>19475469
Go back.

>>19478218
>sheeeit

>>19478329
I've not read them, but my it's my bro's favourite series so it's almost certainly shit

>>19478330
Tbh I've forgotten most of the story it's been so long.
But I remember distinctly thinking during the scene where he got salted that I was almost certain he was a decapitant and not actually present during the campaign at all.

>>19477254
The scholar's tale was the best part of Hyperion, so I'm ok with the goyimism.

>>19478579
This seems unlikely to me. For one, he certainly talks like Khellus the whole time. Second, Ajokli being super pissed makes it seem like Khellus dying was him betraying him. I don't think Khellus was totally blind to Kel as the No-God. He goes way the fuck out of his way and abandons the Ordeal just to bring Kel to where he needs to be to dust Khellus and get thrown into the No God. That seems an odd totally accidental coincidence. He isn't sentimental, if he thought Kel was totally useless as a monster he would just have killed him. Seems like a play to get the Outside to realize the Consult exists and to thwart it. Like he is playing both sides.

>>19479009
>He goes way the fuck out of his way and abandons the Ordeal just to bring Kel to where he needs to be to dust Khellus and get thrown into the No God.
There is no way he knew about what exactly is needed to launch Mog, unless part about being working together with Consult is true. He had to leave Ordeal for that moment anyway since he intended to frame Proyas for whole cannibal holocaust that was already planned, so he just used that time to take a trip home.
Real thing that doesn't fit is that no way it wasn't actual Kellhus for the whole time. Maybe certain periods but no more, his POW is present and it can't be anyone else. Truth is probably somewhere in between, we don't know full extent of what exactly fuckery with heads allows one to do.

Jesus Christ, this shit has been repeated so many fucking times.

>>19479092
Feeling of deja vu might be the sign of mental disorder, maybe you should get yourself checked.

>>19479092
That’s because it is. They’ve been doing it for months now.

>>19479092
You mean Inri Sejenus

>>19479063
From the talk with the Consult it is CLEAR Kellhus has not been working with the consult all this time. He really believed he could overthrow them, but being possessed by a god he could not see or understand Kelmomas. It is said in the books my Kellhus that he does not understand why he values Esmenet so much. She is his darkness that comes before. Mimara saw Esmenet is going to Heaven. It might be that Kellhus made a pact which involved a caveat that Esmenet has to be saved.

My totally bullshit theory is that Esmenet is in fact Yatwer and Kellhus is some other god/ciphrang, if not the Solitary God himself (achieves the absolute)

>>19479156
>It might be that Kellhus made a pact which involved a caveat that Esmenet has to be saved.
>Saved a ho who hates him
>Did not save Proyas and Saubon
Hopefully it wasn't the case.

>>19479176
Kellhus was a giga simp and it was his and the World's downfall. Another subtle redpill from High King Bakker.

So, do you faggots talk about anything else or do you just enjoy repeating the same bullshit over and over again?

>>19479204
>>19479145

>>19479204
>repeating the same bullshit over and over again?
That's all they ever do, anon.

is murderbot diaries any good?

>They still think that Kellhus didn't intend to die

You will literally never grasp the absolute.

>>19479204
Make your own general.

>>19479259
He definitely prepared for the possibility of dying, but there is no way he intended to job at that particular moment. It was obvious that he no longer had firm grasp on what's happening by the end, he wasn't even aware that he almost got killed by narindar not once but twice if not for Mog influence breaking gods' design

>>19479204
Bakkerfags doing what they’ve always been doing and shitting up the thread.

>>19479293
I said this multiple times here already. The one and only true war is to be fought in the Outside. Kellhus needs the No-God to weaken the Ciphrang. The real world is absolutely meaningless and inconsequential

>>19469234
I had the same reaction. Enjoyed the book and the writing but au some point I just couldn't stand the gary and just gave up. I think it was in the middle of the second book

>>19469339
It's too much for some people's brains. Hence the "filtered" meme. Kellhus isn't even human. It's folly to pretend otherwise. People also do not know what self-insert means.

>>19479319
Indeed.

Uh? What was that?
You want more Bakker-pills?

Take this one then: Kellhus is literally lowering his intellect voluntarily around Esmenet in order to fall in love with her so that he can tap into Cishaurim sorcery

>>19479366
No one cares about your faggot leftist author.

>>19479373
Didn't ask.

Where should I stop with Dune? I’ve heard varying things.

>>19479263
its funny you say that because bakkerfags have literally tried to make secondary /sffg/s when they couldn't get their faggy twink author as the OP of the regular one

>>19479435
No, not really.

>>19479435
That was actually a great thread, and it did hit the bump limit iirc. You sound incredibly resentful, though.

>>19479453
>That was actually a great thread
which one, you've only done it about 45 times?

>>19479453
The anime cuck is seething because he cannot control the Bakker-posting in the threads he creates.

>>19479435
Kek, I remember that. Christ, that was pathetic. Especially their cope.

>Imagine replying to your own posts under a VPN after being absolutely ass-blasted

>>19479483
Unironically this.

>>19479435
I remember that. They also seethe when no one went to their thread.

>>19479366
I never considered that. But I'm certainly not dismissing it, especially because of who Bakker is.

>>19479435
People sucking off Bakker only propagate their content because people like you seethe so much over it.

Discuss something else if you want to.

>>19479405
Each book is about half as good as the previous book is what I found.

>>19479557
>B-but they keep shitting up the thread! My THREAD! YOU HEAR ME?

>>19478154
cheers mate

>>19479227
For me? Yes. For others, mixed. For you? Who knows.

>>19479703
Literally no one cares.

Why do those TSA ending speculations take place over and over? We were left at a cliffhanger and so many questions remain unanswered. The fact that the outside is non-temporal gives so much freedom to maneuver with the speculations. I’d say that only with really interesting series you can have this year by year endless discussions where everyone has differing opinions about the subject. I’m sorry we didn’t read all of Brando Sandos books where everything is explained and told explicitly.

>Using multiple IPs to mass report a post
Now I know you're seething.

>>19479754
Kek, he really is. And it's fucking hilarious.

is there any new sci-fi in the past 5 or so years that's any good? other than Ted Chiang I guess. I keep seeing all these MUST READ SCI-FI BOOKS OF 2021, 2020, etc and it's all minority women. maybe I should unironically give them a chance. I love Le Guin

>>19479871
I bought this on a whim from Barnes and Noble as I was walking past it, I haven't read it yet because I've got several other books on my reading list

Speaking of which, I finally got my first Gene Wolfe book, The Wizard Knight, on the same trip to Barnes and I'm going to be reading it next; what am I in for? QRD and Wolfepill me

>>19478218
Terrible list. The books included are just pandering to the retarded woke crowd.

>>19479871
Good exists at best as a consensus among specific groups of people.

>>19480389
This is probably the most unhelpful comment I've heard from someone online in a long time.

>>19480445
An anon who asks an unhelpful question get an unhelpful answer. Should've phrased it as what are your favorite SF books of the past 5 years or so? The must-reads are probably for a different sort of group and most likely irrelevant on an individual level. There are various other ways it could've been stated. The other response is some random book the anon hasnt read and was published almost 10 years ago.That isn't helpful either, but it's to be expected. Learning to properly ask questions is important.

>>19479871
Ted Chiang is a bad example. That's a collection of works older than 5 years or so.

Today's cops, featuring köt.

>>19479977
>Wolfepill me
I'm only on the Sword of Lictor myself anon but there's something alien in his prose that I haven't found in any other fantasy writer. Not only in The Book of the New Sun set in a fascinating world it's told in a fascinating way.
>>19480938
Cute cat anon.

How many levels of Qi refining are there actually ? The stories are very inconsistent

Any good Book of the New Sun concept art regarding the baluchither in Chapter 9 of Claw of the Concillator?

Is pic related the GRRM sci fi book worth getting?

>>19481053
Seems like a risky proposition.

Reading Terra Ignota, it's good

>>19465598
Just watched Arcane, and got an itch to read some steampunk. Need something played completely or mostly straight in terms of tropes and fairly entry-level. Not big into reading, haven’t opened a non-light novel book in God knows when, so I won’t be able to appreciate the deeper cuts anyway.

>>19481175
I got it

Anyone know where I can find all the Sam Weber BOTNS illustrations online?

>>19471117
In all honesty, I don't know. There MIGHT be an obscure subreddit that is dedicated to find unwoke fantasy or books in general but to wade through all the trannies and luck out on finding one that's actually good and hasn't been banned is pretty slim. As much shit as reddit gets, there's been some pretty good subs but the vaginas immediately ruin all the fun and start banning and putting dumb guidelines. So long answer short, I don't know. This general isn't a bad place to start, though they mostly focus on the old stuff and the occassional modern gem.

That being said, I highly recommend you read Bridge of Birds, since it's pretty obscure. Pretty fun book set in a mystical China that has some pretty dark humor in it. Liking it very much so far and it's got no LGBTBBQ4G shit in it

>>19471117
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/35145.Best_obscure_fantasy_novels

This is Normiereads but this is a pretty good place to start in terms of obscure fantasy books. Some of those might or might not have woke shit in it but so far the only one I've read from this list is pretty damn good. So use this list as you will

>>19481314
Most of these seems to be written by women. Your opinion is invalid and has been discarded.

>evangelion before it was cool

>>19481505
Evangelion is better though?

>>19471117
it's extremely funny that you're too much of a retrograde stick-in-the-mud to enjoy anything anymore
you have two options, revise your priorities or swallow lead

>>19481526
>you WILL eat the bugs
>you WILL live in the pod
>you WILL read the woke SFF

In the story Celephaïs by HP Lovecraft, theres mention of a high-priest that dwells alone on the plateau of Leng, that wears a silken yellow mask over its face. Is this the king in yellow?

>>19481516
it is easier to masturbate to, yes

>>19481534
take your meds

>>19481537
>no argument

>>19481559
not my problem

>>19481536
>Is this the king in yellow?
No, the king in yellow is a play.

>>19481568
Got it, no argument whatsoever.

>>19481536
Have you ever read the the king in yellow? Because I get the feeling you haven’t.

>>19481576
>Got it, no argument whatsoever.

>>19481589
I accept your defeat.

>>19481598
not my problem

>>19481534
Go back to /pol/

>>19481602
Then why did you respond?

>>19481314
Don’t bother. Most people here just look for an excuse to not read.

Vr based RPG, it's so amazing first one ever revolutionary.
I'm different and weird because I treat the NPC's like regular people.
I find out a way to exploit the game and become the best ever.

Are there any good litrpg books left? Most are so fucking derivative. The Wandering Inn is the only one I've enjoyed all year.

>>19465598
>https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ
New here, but have these charts and recs been updated?

This series has its flaws, but I respect it for trying to think seriously about metaphysics and how they related to a fantasy world where magic and gods are real. I like it. Tolkien is the only magic fantasy author that really does this, but he is so subtle that most don't even realize it.
Also I enjoyed a genuinely inhuman protagonist for once. All the Dunyain are a bit like AIs put into human bodies,

>>19481626
>Are there any good litrpg books left?
The perfect run.

>>19476682
Most of the Three Seas seems caught up with the idea that Kellhus and his family can condemn them directly to Hell if they disobey him, or that they're assured a place in one of the Heavens if they follow his commands. It's what makes the Captain so fanatical, and Esmenet uses it as a goad throughout the Aspect-Emperor series.
Even then a lot of people aren't concerned with the afterlife until it becomes obvious they are truly doomed, see Saubon's death. For those who do or should know that they're absolutely fucked, such as the Few and Nonmen, all you can do is cope and attempt to cling to life as long as you can.
Akka doesn't really challenge he fundamentals of Proyas' beliefs, because he too believes in the Gods and even, in the Prince of Nothing series at least, the Truth of the Tusk and its latter prophets. He just attempted to temper his pupil's inclinations towards fanaticism and dogmatic belief by making him ask "why?"

>>19481626
>The Wandering Inn
is that good?

New thread
>>19481640

>>19481516
>>19481559
>my brainless one-liner beats your brainless one-liner
the absolute state of tr/a/nnies

>>19481638
Starts out a bit rough but it get's better, I like it. Some think the plot moves too slow, I can see that but the fast publication rate makes up for it.

>>19481653
I’ll check it out, anything I should know about before buying it?

>>19481659
It's long? If you read slow or don't have much time you can read (or listen) it's maybe not the best for you. If your actively looking for new content because you think you've already read everything you want to read then I cant recommend it more.

>>19481672
Alright. Seems I won’t have a problem then. Thanks.

>>19481680

It's available for free on the authors website, may be annoying to convert it to a kindle format. The audiobook performance is quite good.

>>19477201
Flashback is a Fox News book, DemocRATS let Iran get nuclear weapons and because of that Japanese corporations, illegal immigrants and al queda take over America, and they put all of the Jews in concentration camps in old sports stadiums that were abandoned because all of the terrorism and crime. Also, all blacks added the word Nigger to their name for some reason. With the hard R.

Simmons isn't a Jew, he's a Catholic Zionist. It's worse.

>>19481695
>Catholic Zionist
IMHO that's better than being an evangelical Zionist.

But yeah, the /pol/ zog memes have some merit. Jews being scummy is real but it's treated like a sacred cow that you cant acknowledge.

>>19481627
Depends on what you mean by updated. There's notes about that in there. I maintain it. It's not currently a priority for me. Major thing I need to be doing is moving stuff to their relevant folders. /lit/ is the primary concern. Everything else is a bonus.

>>19481569
>>19481587
No but ill get around to it. Ty for the answers

>>19465746
Based.

>>19481645
New thread already ruin, Bakkerfags are having some sort of autistic meltdown.