/lit/ - Literature

>>19460546
Every thread about this just lists Wellbeck, Dostoevsky, and Elliot Rodger and then devolves into squabbles punctuated by infographics

Sex and Character by Otto Weininger

>>19460546
The Blackpill: Why Incels are tight and you are wrong by doctor castle
Obligatory The Elementary Particles and Whatever recc

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>>19460546
I never understood incels, what an absurd social phenomenon.

Why don't these inferior men simply bang ugly women? Looks like some bizarre combination of narcissism, entitlement and social retardation.

>>19460546
The incel problem will be solved once a critical threshold of femcels is reached. Once that happens, society will create some more accurate system to ensure women have a partner, which means both genders will see a decline in virginity and incel rates.

>>19460665
Their entire ideology is predicted on an asymmetry in sexual relations such that in modern dating women tend to go for men slightly above their own level of attractiveness, leaving the bottom tier of men alone.

I dont think this is an accurate picture of the situation really but there is the kernel of truth in it, that men are more willing to sleep with women less attractive than them, in one night stands and stuff.

>>19460546
I was actually thinking about writing about incels, far right and image board culture such as gamer gate and qanon since I was a hidden figure behind all the scenes but I figured no one would want to read it

It's funny that nobody in the 20th century or before saw them coming. None of these smartasses who thought they'd totally figured out human sexuality predicted that violent incelism would one day become a thing.

>>19460665
Regardless of how ugly you are, you won't be attracted to ugly people. You can settle, but no one's really happy with the arrangement. Ugly men don't want ugly women and ugly women don't want ugly men.
>>19460675
>once a critical threshold of femcels is reached
There will always be less "femcels" than "incels", due to men having lower standards of attractiveness. The top ~70% of women are having sex with the top ~40% of men.

>>19460665
because sub 5/10 women are unfuckeable

>>19460546
very few women are ugly and even the fat ones get laid, with men the standards have never been higher in history, in all aspects

>>19460546
My Twisted World

>>19460665
>I never understood incels, what an absurd social phenomenon.
Do you mean the phenomenon where certain people are are "involuntarily celibate" and seethe about women, or the phenomenon where purple-haired hamplanets or disgusting trannies whose scar-cloaca smells like actual shit call whoever they dislike an "incel" with no regard whatsoever to the meaning of the word?

>>19460665
>>19460675
>Today, I will remind them

>>19460546
my diary desu

>any books
>any books
>are there any books for this troll?

>>19460752
I mean people like picrel - thinking they're entitled to hot partners despite their own physical inferiority and repulsive personality. 90% of them would refuse to date a slightly below average woman, see >>19460703

Anything by Patrick Rothfuss.

>>19460785
>white
Being white is literally cause for other incels to accuse them of being "fakecels"

>>19460839
That's the point, do you think any of those 4/10s there would date an average black or indian girl? Of course not, if they can't get 9/10 Instagram hottie (who is also a trad virgin, lol) they'd rather stick to porn and impotent misogynic screeching.

>>19460693
everything under the sun has been said about this topic, what can you add or write that hasn't already been said before 100 times with different words? in my 4 wasted years on 4channel I've read it all
>>19460697
how could they predict the birth control pill? females entering the labor force en masse? modern dating apps? the sexual revolution? urbanization? they figured out human sexuality just fine, we're simply seeing it stretched to painfully obvious degrees beyond our control

>>19460745
This is the best recommendation.

It is so ridiculous that it would be scoffed at if it was fiction, and the fact that it’s real is incredible.

>>19460665
I'd say it's a result of Hollywood's beauty culture, in which all films' MCs had to be gorgeous specimens; then you move on to comics, manga and anime (ladies gifted with enormous and physics-defying boobs), etc. Nowadays that shit went obsolete, as there are way more ugly ppl acting as MCs in TV series and films. As much as the regular incel may consider himself not a normie, normie culture affects us all. In about 20 years there won't be as much rejection for LGBText and BLM culture as there is today.
The future belongs to fags and niggas.

>>19460884
It is a hilarious book but its author was so insane that hes not really the best representation of the phenomenon in general

>>19460969
Yeah it doesn’t necessarily delve into the topic overall, but gives you a great example of the incel mindset

>>19460986
It gives you an exaggerated caricature, it's like using Dworkin or Solanas as your model of feminists

>>19461001
An exaggerated caricature who happens to be real. I even remember browsing r9k at the time and it seemed like his journal was a good wake up call for a lot of people there and myself included.

While I never sprayed orange juice on a group of cool kids, I could definitely relate to him expecting the world to open up to him despite him putting in no effort.

Seeing some of my thoughts and actions shared by this lunatic helped steer me clear of r9k from that point on

>>19461019
Dworkin and Solanas are also real but they're still caricatures of feminism. But I take your point

>>19460785
Do you realize how fucking stupid this meme is? These are average people with glasses, taking a boring front shot. I've met a thousand people like this, they're normal, average people. Do you actually believe that this collection of samey front shots represent some kind of real stereotype with a "repulsive personality"? Are you actually fucking schizophrenic? Have you ever actually fucking talked to people in high school or college?

>>19461040
Kek, you’re in that picture, aren’t you

>>19460546
Interesting look at incels from actual feminist


>Sex is a limited resource for males that the females control. That males try often and persistently to establish sexual contact with females, and that females almost always refuse these attempts, is not a fault of the system - it is the system.

>So what happened that we live in a male civilization today? In a nutshell, Meike Stoverock explains it as follows: Around 10,000 years ago people settled down with agriculture and women disappeared into private homes, where they looked after the children. From then on, men decided on the distribution of women. They invented marriage to contain male sexual competition and to secure access to sex.

>"This oppression [...] is the foundation on which today's states, political systems and cultures stand."

>"Culture, not evolution, has so far made women available to men - and women are breaking with it now."

>Men have to be brave when reading this book - because the biologist assumes that many of them will no longer find a partner.

>The biologist is likely to be right with her observation that the so-called Incels, the involuntarily celibate men, can be dangerous. Incels also exist in the animal kingdom.

>“They are the 'rest', the non-premium males who remain after the evolutionary screening process and have no chance of reproduction. This phenomenon has only been suppressed to this day by the male civilization that controlled and disenfranchised women."

>>19461040
>t. white incel

>>19461055
>Now Meike Stoverock makes suggestions as to what the coexistence of men and women could look like in a post-male civilization, a world order in which women tend to choose several alpha men in the course of their lives, but in which not every pot has a lid. She reckons with the institution of marriage, in which she sees an instrument for the oppression of women, and calls for a departure from the romantic notion that men and women can be happy in lifelong monogamy.

>Men who can no longer find women in this new world order should be cared for in other ways - Stoverock thinks about sex assistants and the role of prostitution, she describes pornography as a possible “socially acceptable support” for men.

>"Men who never or only very rarely find sex partners must be given ethical and socially acceptable ways of meeting their sexual needs."

>"A world order in which women tend to choose several alpha men in the course of their lives, but in which not every pot has a lid."

>>19461055
>This oppression [...] is the foundation on which today's states, political systems and cultures stand."
Does she note what is therefore likely to happen if you get rid of it?

>>19461052
Of course you'd say this you stupid disfigured tranny abomination. God, the internet truly is the realm of schizos and cowards, what a fucking terrible mistake it was. You're not even human.

>>19461063
>>19461055
Damn it feels good to be a sperm donor

I will impregnate women I’ve never even met

>>19460785
>>19461052
>>19461061
It's funny how liberals pretend to be empathetic and open minded while they love openly mocking and humiliating their opponents

They think men aren't entitled to anything but think women refusing sex with trannies is a problem

>>19461070
Thanks for a display of seething incel rage, lol

>>19461055
She wants to preserve the current day society where women can engage in zero commitment relationships with high profile men whereas the majority of the men won't find a partner ever.
I'm not arguing that this is an ideal, or that most women would be happy with that situation either, since they too would rather get married to Chad than getting pumped and dumped and stuck with his children.

>>19460665

There's way too many fat cunts in America and mentally ill freaks willing to fuck them. Like 1/3 of the population is severely obese and it's disproportionately women. Incels are just normal guys who fucked up bad and will never have enough education and status to escape fattyverse

>>19461089
Have you dilated your stinking pit today good Sir?

>>19460785
The fact someone took the time to make that image is very cringe.

>>19461055
>this is what the author looks like

>>19461094
There are tibes in africa that basically follow this pattern, the males just fight each other to be alpha, women fuck the winners, and women raise the kids alone or rather with other women. Needless say they have never progressed to even rudimentary civilization because Male-male cooperation is pretty much impossible

>>19460754

Based for not censoring their faces. Men with disgusting fetishes should be killed outright

>>19461099
You just know it was made by a grotesque looking tranny.

>>19461063
>>"Men who never or only very rarely find sex partners must be given ethical and socially acceptable ways of meeting their sexual needs."

Thanks for the laugh. That will never happen, what will happen is the outbreak of war so that societies can trim the male population

China already has a massive gender gap and if they don’t want this to cause massive social unrest they need to send them to war

>>19460754
lmao

>>19460665
>I never understood incels, what an absurd social phenomenon.
lel,wut?Ur genetic survival is literally on the fucking line u twat.Here's ur daily richard dawkins reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9p2F2oa0_k

I went to Whole Foods yesterday with my mom to get thanksgiving stuff, and basically every one around me was a couple shopping together. was depressing desu

>>19461126
Nothing wrong with going shopping with your mum, unless you’re over 20 years old which would just be pathetic

The problem isn't that it's impossible for uggo men to get laid. I'm ugly-to-okay depending on the day and I've been in and out of relationships since I was 18. The problem is that the tactics men use to get into relationships (from the most natural to the more manipulative) all lead to the same failure rate long term because nobody is willing to work to sustain relationships anymore.

Anybody else hate gays, fats, niggers jews, and gay fat nigger jews? Just curious

>>19461142
I just say I hate America

>>19461063
>>"Men who never or only very rarely find sex partners must be given ethical and socially acceptable ways of meeting their sexual needs."
Damn feminists are arguing FOR sexbots now?

>>19461148
underline the word 'sexual needs' which btw need not necessarily mean 'satisfy men's desire of ensuring their genetic survival.'

>>19461138
I'm 22. kys.

>>19461168
>22
>goes shopping with mommy

The couples were pointing and laughing at you behind your back

>>19461138
And it becomes based again once you’re over 30.

>>19461063
The way people talk about sexual needs is so ridiculous. We don't need to fucking develop whole new arms of society to service men who can't get laid. If they've never been laid, I can understand it, but if they have, then just fucking jerk off.

Intimacy is what incels crave more than sex. For a certain amount of money, they should have cute free range women walking around in a park for incel men to go up to and flirt with. The women have to go along with it convincingly and have to go into a room on the property to fool around with them while asking intimate questions of the incel and being caring for him.

>>19461160
Boiling all of the West's crippling social problems to incels' unfulfilled sexual needs, as if relationships as a whole didn't disintegrate across the board, is the most fucking sad thing about this shitty nihilist narrative.

Incels exists because the material base to be a "provider" doesn't exist anymore but the culture/social spheres still operate like it does. Largely because of feminist women lying about it.

If I didn’t want kids I would happily live as a hermit with a closet full of sex dolls

>>19461197
>but the culture/social spheres still operate like it does.

I think it still exists in women instinctively too. I've tricked women ("tricked" in the sense of buying things for women in order to get them to fuck me) and they fall in line very quickly once they see you can support for them. Women like being provided for even if they don't need it.

>>19461194
but where is the lie?Sure it might be a bit over exagerated,but almost every single trait that has survived for millions of years literally revolves around the need to ensure genetic survival,and by genetic survival I mean physical and reproductive survival.

>>19461220
>they fall in line very quickly

Women are smart enough to show the traits of loving ness and obedience up front until something is locked down.

>>19460546
Its got nothing to do with hypergamy. 99% of these dudes whining about hypergamy do not even approach 5 women per year, most not even 1. Just question them on it. Then they'll cite some anecdotal evidence of an autist asking out 100 women in 1 week in the most.retarded way possible and use that as "evidence". Of course it is easier the better looking/confident/employed/well-dressed/etc. you are but this inceldom phenomena basically boils down to dudes never asking women out or "working on them".

It's safe to say that incels and MGTOW are a symptoopm of a decaying gynocentric society and there's no solution, the societal decline is irreversible

>>19461254
And that’s a good thing - here’s why

>>19461234
I'm just saying that if I buy a bitch a bag, the chances she'll want me to cum inside her raw increase by at least 30%.

>>19460546
You're stupid.

>>19460551
You're stupid.

>>19461287
>>19461278
You’re cute :3

>>19460561
You're stupid.

>>19461252
I also think there is some aspect of "terror porn" involved in it. It is easier to construct the idea that women only date Chads because otherwise you would be faced with the very real possibility that you might actually have to try rather than relegate your failure pre-emptively on a mythical Chad so that you never have to go out of your comfort zone and put yourself out there. Even worse, I think these incels fear success more than anything else, because if they succeed...then what? Their entire psyhological system would collapse. Much of BBC porn is driven by the same mechanics. People watch it because they want to believe that there is some mythical quality by which women openly submit themselves without the man having to work for anything, it is literally the projection of their desires...if only they were this BBC man-god, then they wouls get 10/10 women served on a platter and THEY would be worshipped just for existing and validated just for their mere existence. This is really just a reflection of infantile narcissism by men who have failed to grow up, lack the capacity for self-validation and have a conflicting tension between their testosteronical desire for recognition and the total failure to ever take any action.

>>19460613
You're stupid.

>>19461220
Maybe. It's for certain that womens "revolt" against gender is a total fraud because they still want specal treatment and they still largely treat men like utilities. Social status/materialism is still super important to them like you said.

I think all these "movements" against certain things in US society are really just focused on the callousness/surface level of it all while ignoring the root cause. So you get shit like white women coming out as "bi" with "they/them" pronouns but exclusively dating and having sex with men because if we actually looked at the root causes we would see white millennial women aren't oppressed at all.

>>19461300
>>19461252
Typical simp who never blames women for anything

>>19460632
You're stupid.

>>19461309
Nah. Women can be pretty awful. But.its hard to blame them for not descending from air and falling directly on dicks of infantile narcissists who never take any action. Every single dude whining about muh hypergamy never approaches an acthal woman.

>>19460636
You're stupid.

>>19461300
That's not really what the Chad thing is about, its more that your gf would cheat on you if he presented himself. Similarly is the idea that women will give it up immediately and for free for Chad but make betas provide for it

This naturally bothers any men who dont pretend it's not real to some extent

>>19460665
You're stupid.

>>19460675
You're stupid.

>>19461320
Women are overgrown children and animals with no accountability
Unfortunately men are completely cucked and will never step up

>waiting to see if the 'You're Stupid' man judges my post

1. Get a decent job
2. Don't be an autist
Voila, women will be falling over to date you. 90% of incels seem to be permanently stuck in the social world of highschool.

>>19461354
You’re cute

>>19460665
ugly women don't want ugly men and vise versa. Simple as. >>19460702 is right.

>>19461096
This is wrong. Fat cunts and the mentally ill also think they're entitled to Chad.

>t. inkwell who's mentally ill ex left him and refused to have sex with him because she "wanted to see other people"

>>19461358
t. ignorant normie

>>19461410
>This is wrong.
life is a game of genetic survival.Deal with it.Women wish to upgrade their genetic lineage by copulating with a man who can offer 'good genes'

>>19461416
t. 19 year old

Incels are mostly browns and asians despite the media attention on white incels

Just be white

>>19461424
Then men drop out and your society falls apart. Birth rates have already cratered beyond salvation anyway, women dont actually seem to want to be impregnated and then raise the kid alone

>>19461424
I'm not disagreeing with you though
>>19461358
>he doesn't realize real life is an extension of high school.

Sure Timmy, some day you'll be recognized for your talent despite having no social skills.

Also

>1. Get a decent job
>2. Don't be an autist

1. Having a job only fixes your financial problems

2. Autism is mental illness that can't be cured and isn't willed you clueless normalfag

>>19461308
How does it feel to confirm your own insecurites over and over again? Most incel-minded people I know have just never tried to prove themselves wrong, shouldn't take too much

>>19461300
>they want to believe that there is some mythical quality by which men openly submit themselves without the woman having to work for anything, it is literally the projection of their desires...if only they were this goddess, then they would get 10/10 men served on a platter and THEY would be worshiped just for existing and validated just for their mere existence. This is really just a reflection of infantile narcissism by women who have failed to grow up, lack the capacity for self-validation and have a conflicting tension between their estrogenical desire for recognition and the total failure to ever take any action.
Fixed.

>>19461448
>Then men drop out and your society falls apart.
then figure out a way to maintain an illusion of fidelity by women and a false sense of hope that things will turn out okay so that all men would focus on working for civilizations and societies.Mass propaganda, evo psych studies that delibarately stand against what incels believe,etc. are going to be vital in such an endeavour.

>>19460665
I WILL NOT WORK A JOB
I WILL NOT GROOM MYSELF
I WILL NOT ACT LIKE A NORMAL PERSON
I WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR SYSTEM

YES I DESERVE A 10/10 GF FOR DOING NOTHING

>>19461509
i really wish to go on a tangent or two, especially with the literature pertaining to mass propaganda, use and misuse of language, 'scientism', etc., but i'm just not well read at all.I hope other anons can enlighten me on this.

>>19461358
>it doesn't affect me so it's not a problem

>>19461468
Nice personal attack bro

>>19461509
It's already over, as I said the birth rates are way too low and they keep dropping. Youd have to outlaw abortion for women to make even the situation you're describing work(and it probably wouldn't work)

I am an incel ama

>>19461549
Why don't you just have sex

>>19461424
>muh genes
women are retarded children who breed with brutes because they can't act beyond their instincts

When you give them complete freedom like today they will breed with chads and become single mothers on welare and raise fucked up kids

>>19461530
Women literally only had to breath to have sex (almost always)

>>19461546
>as I said the birth rates are way too low and they keep dropping.
it can easily reversed when sperm banks become affordable and accessible.


https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2021/03/01/2184128/28124/en/Global-6-07-Billion-Sperm-Bank-Market-to-2028-Innovations-in-Cryo-preservation-Techniques-Driving-Growth.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/5/5/brazils-racialised-sperm-economy

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/business/sperm-donors-facebook-groups.html

>>19461592
Have sperm banks ever led to fertility rate going back above replacement? They've been around for a while

>>19461569
I did, I sold my ps4 and fucked a prostitute. It was nice, didn’t solve my problems but took the weight of virginity out of me

>>19461089
>>19461052
>>19461061
>>19460785
Reminder that these "people" can't be reasoned with and there is only one solution for them.

>>19460665
because:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPvUpTdqNTg&ab_channel=WheatWaffles

>>19461575
>women are retarded children who breed with brutes
no and these seemingly good looking bad boys also tend to be smarter and inherently healthier than ur average short n ugly incel

>>19461610
Based
>this kills the delusional incel goblin

>>19461610
IQ is mildly negatively correlated with fertility in recent decades, while violent criminality(even rape lel) is mildly positively correlated with fertility.

But this doesn't really matter much compared to the much bigger issue of the fertility rate hovering around 1-1.5

>>19461599
>Have sperm banks ever led to fertility rate going back
how can it when its hard for an average women to have access to it?

>>19461610
>seemingly good looking bad boys also tend to be smarter and inherently healthier
lol you really think drug dealers jocks and meatheads are more intelligent than average nerds?

>>19461613
Samefag

I'm a 25 year old virgin. I have a good job that makes more than most people my age and I'm going to get an ivy league masters next year. I'm white, fit, have visible abs, run 10-20 miles per week, can deadlift 400lbs. I have lifelong male friends, interesting hobbies like surfing and skiing, a cool car and I live on my own. If society is set up in such a way that someone like me can't have sex then clearly it needs to be torn down, either explicitly in some mass movement or subversively from the inside out. The people in charge of our society have squandered what they inherited and their entire genetic lines should be ended.

>>19461625
Why is it hard?

>>19461586
Women still have to select though, otherwise they get pumped and dumped. Or worse.

>>19461467
>he doesn't realize real life is an extension of high school.
OK kiddo.

>>19461592
>>19461625
>>19461635
Women do not want to have kids, they want to whore themselves out and waste their youth in college or at work, THE ONLY WAY to raise the birth rates is to take away their rights which no one will do so enjoy your societal collapse

>>19461358
What position am I in if I always had LTRs with no interest in casual sex, and simply got tired of women's cheating, hysterics and bullshit, of breakups because "I dunno I'm still young and I wanna have fun!!!!11!!" and when I got a string of dates who were disgusting sluts and weren't even trying to hide it, and then realizing that not only things would get worse and worse as society degraded, but that in my 30s I'd have to settle with one of these whores who decided to "finally settle down", I simply decided to give up dating altogether? My position on women is that they're basically children and without some form of discipline they will straight up destroy society.

>>19461628
>more intelligent than average nerds?

Than average nerds? Maybe, maybe not. Than incels? Almost definitely. Incels tend to have very average IQ.

>>19461652
If you hate women then fine, don't date them if you don't want to.

My post was directed not at you but at incels complaining about women not dating them, when it is in fact quite easy for men to provide value with a modicum of work put into it.

>>19461657
>Incels tend to have very average IQ
Where did you get that from
Incels are autistic and autists have high IQ

>>19461635
money to undergo ivf and the money that would be required for rearing ur child,let alone the massive amount of time that u would have to devote being a single mom.

>>19461652
This is basically where I'm at too. At some level I've "accepted" than all women are childish whores, but I keep fucking around with them and dating them. The next step of "how do you have a respectable family with a whore" is the one I can't get past.

>>19461633
Why are you still a virgin?

>>19461677
Well that's why they used to marry betas lol, you have rediscovered basic human sexual dynamics

>>19461686
I don't know any women. All of my friends are guys and none of them know any women and everyone at my job is way older.

>>19461682
>>19461652
This is why sex robots and artificial wombs are the only possible solution but I'm not sure if theycome soon enough

>>19461690
ye but the problem is these 'betas' demand a child of their own and that's a big no no for women

>>19461675
Autists are not always high IQ and a good chunk of posters on those lookism forums from back in the day were not autistic, just complete losers with average IQ. I believe many of them openly admitted this.

>>19461710
And working to support other men's children is a big no no for men. This is literally the most fundamental dynamic in human sexuality

I was a sperm donor for a legitimate sperm bank ask me 2 questions

>>19461724
What are the qualifications to donate sperm

what's your name

>>19461733
Despite the common belief that sperm banks demand ‘elite’ sperm, the bank I used had donors of all kinds of races, heights, weight, etc. The thing they seem to value most is variety in their catalogue.

My name is Derrick

>>19461743
>>19461733
I should add, it you have an autosomal dominant genetic condition that will likely disqualify you, and if your sperm does not meet the minimum requirements (volume / motility) you will not be accepted.

There is also the expectation that you do not cum 3 days before donating, I’ve read that a lot of donors didn’t do that but I did so I was doing big cooms of over 8ml every time I donated

>>19461743
>My name is Derrick
Are you that incel from Jubilee video?

>>19461755
How do you know they arent creating human pig chimeras with your coom

>>19461763
I’m not an incel and don’t know what video you’re talking about so probably not

>>19461624
Actually IQ is positively correlated to breeding in men, slightly negative in women. Dumb men are also usually ugly.

>>19461766
I have read many stories where the infertility doctor will use his own coom and claim it was from a donor when seeing to the IVF treatment of a patient, so I’m aware that when the sperm bank tells me there was a birth using my sperm there’s a decent chance at least one of them will not be.

I do wonder what happens with the shipped coom that isn’t used. I just hope when the chimeras take over they will respect me as the father of their race, and let me live out the rest of my days being based and a public nuisance

>>19460613
This

>>19461787
Dumb women are also usually ugly, thats mostly genetic load. Overall though the current pattern is dysgenic wrt iq, though mildly

>>19461675
>>19461657
Incels are quite likely to have a higher IQ than average. A higher IQ means more neuroticism and thus leads to more mental illnesses, reducing the reproductive success for men.

Every point over a IQ of 110 reduced the chance that a male kissed/fucked a girl during a study (Can't find that study right now).

Also mental illness doesn't reduce the reproductive success for females.
E.G: Hot BPD hoe with 5 kids.
>>19461733
NTA, but here (Germanistan) they want a certain height (around 6 feet), a college degree and to be free of ceratin diseases.

>>19461802
>>19461733
Oh that is true, they do require a college degree but will make exceptions for certain races (black people). Note even kidding

>>19461795
All around verdict: based
Carry on samaritan-prometheus coomer

>>19461674
It's interesting because I get called an incel all the time for saying, pretty much, that women are easily indoctrinated and the establishment is rewarding them for the worst possible behavior. That's it. I don't even hate women, I like their company. Unless they're not completely stripped of any femininity they have a sweetness about them, and a certain sensibility toward things that is difficult to find in men.
But relationships are just too much fucking work for something so unstable. It's not even true that you can get away with "a decent job", the truth is that it's basically impossible to be free of hysterics, cheating, bullshit and other cancer if you're dating a woman who is somewhat modern. It's not even a matter of how much of a diamond-dicked uberChad you are, how much money you make, it's literally just luck. You're always in danger of committing to a time bomb. I've seen healthy, handsome, well-to-do guys who were caring husbands and loving fathers, literal perfection, who got cucked by their wife, and with some kind of ugly pajeet manlet to boot. It's terrifying.
The reason why this shit happens is not about men, it's that society doesn't shame women anymore for grossly misbehaving, they're held above all accountability. It doesn't matter if you are a slob or perfect husband material, there's literally no reason why if she happens to fancy about fucking the milkman, she won't. There are no morals, no religion, no community values, no family values, women are 100% exempt from shaming or punishment, why wouldn't she fuck the milkman no matter how good you are?
And this is in the context of a retarded socio-economical framework, at least in certain places, where there are literally no jobs but you're still looked down upon if you don't have one. It used to be that if you were jobless it was because you were lazy, not that you can't get a fucking job no matter how hard you try except some suicide inducing temporary McJob with no mobility. This was never a problem, people went to work somewhere and they stayed there for 30 years. This gig economy shit is madness.

>>19461424
Anyone arguing for "muh genetic survival" or "muh survival of the fittest" in the modern post-industrial era are so fucking cringe. Modern humans are so far removed from all of humanity up as it was up until 1900 to try and appropriate language like "genetic survival" the most cringiest LARP. You might as well be pretending you're a crusader or Viking.

>>19460546
Look up behavioral sink
Everything you see around you is just the effect of massive overpopulation and continual access to basic necessities
All you pol and trad losers only cry because actual crying heart libs won't let you starve to death

>>19461866
>he thinks survival of the fittest is no longer relevant

The criteria for fitness has changed, it still applies. Those who cannot navigate in the modern world will die out.

The future is truly looking grim.

Western economies are dead in the water, society is ever more divided. A large amount of the population will never own a home or start a family.

>>19461322
procci zapostuj wykresik na uspokojenie xd

>>19461881
That would be the entire West kek.

Rest in peace

>>19461896
Unfortunately true

>>19461888
>Western economies are dead in the water, society is ever more divided.
The east will fall too, China and India have 70 million men who will most likely never have sex.

>>19461859
This last point was to question what kind of opportunities are you expected to have to get serious with anyone anyway? In this context it would take an inordinate amount of work to raise a family. You cannot possibly be the sole provider, couples need to work. There are people who barely see each other, they come back home to dine, most often not together, they barely see their kids. This isn't family life, this is some kind of assembly line human factory.
Actually the only thing that makes sense is, for women, to get railed until she's completely unfuckable, or have an OnlyFans, until she gets tired and chains herself to some desperate fuck. For men, to focus on creer and making as much money as possible and blowing it on hookers, which is what pretty much all high accomplishing men do (married or not). It's the most dysfunctional fucking model of society imaginable, disposable people living disposable lives, how the fuck can I possibly look forward to relationships?

>>19461914
War is imminent

>>19461914
It's the same in the West. Many western countries already have more men today in virtually all age categories below 40. It's a recipe for disaster going forward.

>>19461859
>And this is in the context of a retarded socio-economical framework, at least in certain places, where there are literally no jobs

Agree with all of your takes about how women, but where are there no jobs?

>>19461530
Absolutely based

>>19460865
This is probably the best response ITT. Nothing's new, no matter how horrible. Technology has just allowed things like this to spiral wildly out of control.

>>19461888
I'm confident that in the metaverse we'll all find love and stability once again.

ffs,are there any actual good lit for this topic.These incel threads almost always leads nowhere and ends up getting nuked.Enough with ur ramblings and rabble incel anons,i get it that it hurts,but there's always r9k ,pol and adv to vent.

I'd add inceldom while primarily a technological phenomenon is propped up by the incels themselves as a type of person who existed long before the modern concept and has always existed to some degree. Specifically in that it has nothing to do with having or not having sex but rather hemming themselves in through self deception and drinking the Kool aid of the society they hate.

Women are different from men. Yes, the middle range of women have always been passed around by the top range of men and all would rather it be this way than a 1:1 settling across the board.

You have to have an overarching societal force that inhibits people's sexual freedoms and ambitions to enforce this and when that structure collapsed we if anything returned to tradition rather than entered a brave new world.

>>19461881
It really is no longer relevant. It's gotten so trivial that calling it """"survival"""" is a LARP. When I think of examples of humans SURVIVING I think of the 19th century where child mortality was 50% and 99% of people lived off $5 a day.
When cringey larpers like you invoke "MUH SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST", in the modern era, your "survival" more closely describes the way a cow, pig or some livestock "survives" on a farm.

>>19461701
yo same dude. i just went and fucked an escord last weekend. I've fingered a girl before and made out with a couple but that was when I was like 16-17 and when I was apparently a lot more attractive to girls... now I have an above average paying job and drive a BMW 5 series, dress well, have good haircut etc. i could be a bit more athletic, I'm a bit skinny but not extremely so. last girl on tinder seemed to never find the time for a second date... at least ghost be bitch... i didn't wanna turn 30 not having stuck my dick in a pussy and didn't want to fuck some ugly ass hooker so I just went to some escort website and found a hot 20yo college girl I payed 300 for a fuck. feels good that I've done it for my mental health desu but sex with a condome is honestly pretty shitty. a condome makes you feel nothing. still looking for a good girl but its kinda hard if you have none in your social circle, which can happen quickly if you are not in school anymore and work in a male dominated field like software development. tinder is a struggle even if you do get matches. rl is much easier when you actually do know any girls but with an internet lifestyle and covid its really fucking hard especially if you don't hate yourself enough to go for fat/ugly ones. I'm actually not even that superficial, there is beauty in imperfection too in my opinion, but I just cant go for fat/ugly/dumb ones.

>>19461966
The answer is no. These threads always blow up because deep down everyone here knows the normies took this word from us, and even though it was only retards using it, we're annoyed at what they've done with it.

>>19460785
It’s funny how people are seething but we all know what kind of person this is. How they act and cary themselves. Physiognomy is real

Inceldom usually begins at home because of the mother.
I shit you not, the best book I've read about inceldom is probably "No More Mr. Nice Guy"
The entire premise of the book is that men that don't grow up with proper male figures develop weaker and more submissive mentalities, believing that they must always overdo themselves and can't be honest with their own feelings.

Women don't raise men, they raise what they think men are supposed to be, so most grow up to be average "nice guys", and the ones who got the shorter end of the stick and got actually socially crippled become the people you see in OP.

>>19461652
>I always had LTRs with no interest in casual sex, and simply got tired of women's cheating, hysterics and bullshit, of breakups because "I dunno I'm still young and I wanna have fun!!!11!!" and when I got a string of dates who were disgusting sluts and weren't even trying to hide i
Literally the same experience here. Never had problems to get casual sex or even start relationships with good looking girls (I'm 6'1'', green eyes, fit, play several instruments, have rich father) but I got tired of those filthy casual sluts and in every single relatioship I've had the girl ended up cheating at some point, then came back crying and wanted to continue dating, not to mention the usual histrionics, emotional blackmail etc.

And it's the same story in most relationship I've observed within my social circle, contemporary young women have devolved into repulsive animals.

Yes, I've come to hate women passionately, but through extensive real life experience, not because 4chan memes.

>>19462006
I only knew one kid in high school who had that look and he was just a mild mannered nerd. This was back in the 00s though and incels were not a thing, we did have a "school shooter" kid who made a list of people he wanted to kill though kek

>>19462006
I have met exactly one person who acted like the stereotypical incel, and he was a middle eastern manlet. I've met a bunch of guys who'd look like that if I took a similar picture and they were normal, sometimes funny and some did well with girls as well. But of course if a deranged seething tranny schizo who collected a bunch of samey looking screenshots of people looking serious while staring directly into a camera says that this stereotype exists, it must exist.

>>19461138
Disagree. Depends on what part of the world you live in.

When closest shop is far and your mom doesn't have a driving license, you are a crucial asset for a shopping mum-son cooperation.

>>19462006
I know someone who looks almost identical to the far right second from the bottom and he's actually incredibly sociable, funny, has gf, etc.

>>19462012
This is true. I've known incels who got with crazy women physically above their pay grade but were still incels because of themselves.

It's a psychological thing that has to be analyzed and confronted and no one who falls into it will have the inclination to actually go through that. You don't want the object of your list, you want your lust. You don't want revenge, you want your anger, sort of thing.

My Twister World by Elliot Roger.

>>19462058
> I've known incels who got with crazy women physically above their pay grade but were still incels because of themselves
You've either miswriten this or are missing the basic concept here lol

>>19462012
This is the only correct answer ITT. I was raised in a household where the mother was the leading figure. My father never quite got to her level, he preferred to remain in the background. He never showed much interest in me, never showed me how to do simple mechanical and electrical repairs, never played football with me. He wasn't my male role model in any way. My mother was 100% responsible for raising me and seeing how I turned out to be a 23 years old KHHV she didn't do a good job. My greatest flaw is probably being extremely agreeable and not assertive. Whenever I had feelings for a girl that some other guy hit on I would immediately back out because I didn't want to compete with him and possibly confront him or be compared to him. I am not even an incel in the ideological sense of the term. I just wished either that somebody loved me for all the flaws that I have or someone helped me fix myself and undo the destructive effects of my feminine upbringing.

>>19462012
>Women don't raise men, they raise what they think men are supposed to be

I've noticed that, even in women who do not seem to want to sabotage their sons or younger brothers or friends. I often imagine women are just lying when they pretend that their preference for aggressive/dominant men isn't accurate. Just in case the bets get too many ideas in their heads. But maybe they genuinely aren't aware?

/ourguy/ icycalm on how hypergamy isn't real.
http://maleprivilege.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=169

Hypergamy, of course—women's alleged desire to land a man whose value exceeded theirs—was kind of a bogus concept, or at least a superfluous one. It was borrowed from anthropology, where the concept "value" was meant in a strict social-status sense, and where therefore the idea of hypergamy is useful and makes sense, it being demonstrably true that for most of recorded history most men would gladly marry women below their social standing, as long as these women were sufficiently attractive, whereas for women the man's social standing mattered more and they would therefore generally aim for the highest status man they could reasonably hope to attain. But that was before sexual liberation, universal suffrage and "equality", and certainly well before the PUAs; that's why gigolos are possible today, and poor good-looking guys can easily marry into wealthy families, something which would have been nigh-inconceivable a mere couple of centuries ago. And anyway, as aforesaid, the anthropological concept of feminine value (=social standing) is not the same with the PUAs' (=physical beauty, or in the man's case, in modern society, "swag factor"), so hypergamy doesn't mean the same thing in the two disciplines. The anthropologists' version is sound but outdated, while the PUAs'... means what exactly? That people want to attract the best sexual partners that they can according to each person's individual criteria? Then men are "hypergamous" too because they'd all dump their girlfriends and wives in an instant if Kate Upton called them up to ask them out, just as women would dump their boyfriends and husbands if Brad Pitt came calling. The truth was that for the nerdy, resentful PUAs "hypergamy" signified all the times they had been dumped by their girlfriends for better guys, and since they themselves had never dumped anyone, they naturally concluded that "hypergamy"=dumping was a uniquely feminine quality and therefore one on which the nerds' long pent-up resentment could be directed and unleashed. And that's how hypergamy came to join feminism as unholy scarecrow and scapegoat across the PUA world, with innumerable blog and forum posts being scribbled against it on a daily basis as a kind of exorcism ritual, until at last the poor anthropologists' term had been debased to such an extent that Krauser could walk into a Russian club in 2014, observe girls checking out guys despite being in the company of their boyfriends, and denounce this perfectly natural behavior as "hypergamy in action"—in which case men, who demonstrably do approximately a billion times more checking out than even the sluttiest of women, would be about a billion times more "hypergamous" than them. But Krauser didn't like the sound of this fact when I pointed it out to him in his blog post, so he shut his stupid face up and proceeded to lock the comments...

>>19462012
i dont think thats entierly true. i went from getting a lot of girls when I was around 18 to getting none after. if I was raised to be an incel I would not have gotten girls back then either. in reality I just became more nerdy as I went into my tech career, become more shut in and socially outcast as i got depression and now I'm a skinny soon to be 30yo who cant grow a proper beard and despite trying, despite having a good job, despite fashionable and decently smart, cant pull an average looking girl. what it comes down to is looks, what it comes down to is confidence in social situations. my career path and lifestyle fucked the latter up and the former, well, i personally think I'm a decent looking guy but apparently I'm not manly enough or something, idk. I'm also too normie to pull those grungy alternative girls either.

>>19462076
>poor good-looking guys can easily marry into wealthy families, something which would have been nigh-inconceivable a mere couple of centuries ago
This guy really has no idea what he's talking about, this did happen. Not like a peasant man, but poor bourgeois men who had charisma, looks, and were rising in society did marry ugly rich noblewomen sometimes

He also wrote a giant paragraph ignoring the basic point, which is the unequal willingness to fuck down, as it were

>>19461868
>implying libtards aren't always the ones who starve first

>>19462084
>I'm also too normie to pull those grungy alternative girls either
Alternative girls, or arthoes or whatever you want to call them, still fuck those same athletic Chads like Stacies do - even if they're dating some skinny artfag primarily. At this point I believe that 98% of women are attracted to the same archetype (assertive masculine dickhead) while a hundred guys would have 20 different preferences at least.

>>19460665
average women don't want average men. Did you even read the OP's title?
>Age of Hypergamy
>Hypergamy
>women only date up and rather be alone if that's not possible
invest in cat food

Shitkickers guy here,

My first book, city of singles, is written from the Chad point of view of someone who understands the well has been poisoned and tries to escape from the coming barren period of time ahead.

8 years ago I foresaw what was coming and we are now here.

>>19460785
Why do all of them have glasses? I have been seriously been thinking about ditching mine

>>19462144
Glasses are fine, but not those thin square-framed ones that incels always end up with for some reason.

>>19462074
There's a nice Polish ballad that touches upon this. I'm not going to translate the entire thing but the moral of the story is this: the owner has two horses; one is agreeable and submissive while the other is stubborn and rebellious. He can't tame the rebelious horse because that would expose him to the risk of being kicked by the horse so he instead decides to punish the submissive horse in order to show the disagreeable horse what would happen to him should he disobey the owner. Mothers raise their sons to be agreeable betas because they are easily manageable and they don't cause problems like the alphas do. What the mother won't tell you is that ANY women would choose the alpha over the beta. She is legally obliged to care for you until you turn 18 and she doesn't give a fuck about whether or not you'll be a good potential match for some women. If she can buy herself some peace by conditioning you in your childhood to be a cuck she will do it. This type of "upbringing" will only become more widespread as more and more women consider rearing children to be a painful duty and a potential impediment to their careers rather than an important task to which they were uniquely predisposed. A quiet, unproblematic son might be easier to raise but that comes at a price of him becoming a failed and overall lacking man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90i2tCA-cA

Just have sex already

>>19462120
I am simping hard for this goth hoe.

Also girls like 2 archetypes actually, highly dependant on age and where they grew up. If they are young or want a more "submissive" seeming male, they want a Justin Bieber/KPOP twink, if they are older and want a dominant man they most likely want a bigger man, a masculine built chad.

Men want like 3 archetypes:
Hot thicc hoe
Thin petite tradwife
Fat girl

Trannies can fall into these.

>>19462200
With your mother

>>19462067
Story as old as time, mate

>>19462164
i dont think thats accurate. first of almost any parent loves their kid and would want them to find a partner in the future. if they are doing it they are for sure not doing it maliciously. secondly you say mothers want their kids to be agreeable so they don't cause trouble, but do fathers want their sons to do that? of course not. i do think that growing up without a fatherfigure makes makes you feel sort of lost in your teens while trying to figure out your identity and probably also more rebellious, as in the exact opposite of what you say happens when you grow up without a father.

>>19462248
>tfw you read this and fully relate but on a second thought you realize that despite still being a prime suicide candidate you are substantially better than what is portrayed in the meme, and you did have a few highlights in your life, and you have gone through quite a bit of self-discovery lately, which in turn gives you an infinitesimally tiny sliver of hope that you might actually manage to turn things around this time, and although you are painfully aware that this hope is most certainly a desperate delusion that will soon drive you down into even more humiliation, pain and misery, you are willing to hold onto it until reality mercilessly curb-stomps you again
It's the little things

>>19462339
>his hope is most certainly a desperate delusion that will soon drive you down into even more humiliation, pain and misery, you are willing to hold onto it until reality mercilessly curb-stomps you again
Many such cases

>>19462084
>what it comes down to is confidence in social situations.
precisely my point anon, incels got these characteristics crippled because of shitty upbringing, yours is a special case where your own life choices led you down that path.

>>19462066
No my point is it's a tortured mentality more than a state of cooming or not. Dude literally got a restraining order against his goth egirl breeding stump to go back to his incel lovequest and never stopped complaining about how much he wanted to coom but also hates all women the entire time. Someone like that could be married and still an incel for having all the hallmarks of being one.

Is it not the point of many ITT that these guys could bang girls they don't like remain celibate and posting about the historical norm of high status men sharing mediocre women without commitment rather than those women settling with equal men to themselves?

>>19460665

>>19462137
Any links/excerpts? I was in a similar situation. Basically younger people who are plugged into technology know more how to he horny on the internet and titillate each other but don't actually know how to fuck, where as we just went out and fucked. I thought I was just getting old but even more attractive guys than me have this same tik tok / tinder problem with the younger women where it seems like these people are sexually dysfunctional and get 90% of what they want sexually through technology and never actually leap the last 10% to dick in pussy.

>>19462481
I noticed this in the goth clubs around 2013 or so when the zoomed baby bats would not really know anything about the music but try super hard with their outfits. They wouldn't drink or dance or smoke cloves on the porch to make friends. Instead they just sort of scrolled their phone in their KillStar meme outfit until they tuckered themselves out and then called an Uber like two hours after arrival. Or they'd become trannies. Shit's fucked.

>>19462339
>and although you are painfully aware that this hope is most certainly a desperate delusion that will soon drive you down into even more humiliation, pain and misery, you are willing to hold onto it until reality mercilessly curb-stomps you again
Delet this ;_;

>>19462445
Being a misogynist who has sex, even a bitter one, is simply not the same thing as being an incel, I mean it's the literal definition of the word anon

>>19460665

>>19462399
i dont think that has much to do with their parents though. its a function of how much social interaction you have and how others perceive you. if you are skinny or fat or ugly as opposed to big and muscular you get less positive feedback in terms of respect which makes you less confident. if you are a shut in as a result of either too many bad experiences or lifestyle choice your social competence will be bad. that has nothing to do with your parents. if you do have a confident father figure in your life maybe that can help it a bit because that's what you look up to be like and you will adope traits which will lead to more inherent confidence but it is one point amongst many and its rather the lack of a father figure than women maliciously raising you to be beta.

>>19460665

>>19460665
Based observation, but that's a man

>>19462555
How do men even put themselves through this lmao, liking 50 girls so that one likes you back? Trying to get a girl in a bar or whatever has never been even remotely as humiliating as this

>>19460546
unironically Houellebecq's Elementary Particles

>>19462476
>>19462514
>>19462555
An interesting bit of data that reframes this sort of thing is that "average" people are in fact attractive, both for men and women. I do not have a graph but I have read this article in a scientific magazine several years ago, which was pretty well made with pretty substantial data, and it showed that if you gave pictures of men to women and pictures of women to men, they would find people of average beauty attractive. The "averageness" was measured through elements like facial symmetry and other likeable factors. This was true for the women as well, so going by this study, the graph for women in >>19462476 should look the same at that of men. So I suspect that kind of thing is specifically a result of an overabundance of choice on dating sites and a generally hyper-competitive view of sex, or some other thing about mindset, because going by purely biological instincts, women would find average men attractive.

>>19460546
registered democrat.

>>19462612
Women dont use tinder to find an average guy, they use it to get a one night stand with someone much hotter than them

>>19460702
>Ugly men don't want ugly women and ugly women don't want ugly men
>>19461410
>ugly women don't want ugly men and vise versa.
Are you so sure about that? I've seen plenty of uggo couples

>>19462224
you forgot mommy types who want sniveling manchildren and get mad when you assert yourself

>>19461530
Chad

>>19462612
cope

>>19462612
If the average woman is given the opportunity to obtain an above average man, why would they want to settle for anyone less? Online dating isn’t going away and quite frankly meeting people in person or through other traditional means is a thing of the past. Keep in mind that men and women aren’t just competing for people in their immediate vicinity anymore. The dating market is global thanks to online dating. The only people that win in this situation are top tier men. Since all women are competing for chad and most men aren’t chad, many men and women are going to die lonely and single.

>>19462684
women never have to be lonely

>>19462612
>>19462634
>>19462676
>>19462684
Women definitely find the average guy attractive. Just walk through a busy street for an hour and look at all the people who you would fuck/find attractive. Discounting that women have a smaller libido then men, they ought to find about as much people that they find attractive as men.

>>19461787

Proofs? Even if that's true intelligent men forestall reproduction longer than stupid men which effects the health of their offspring

>>19462706
holy cope

>>19462676
I was literally reporting a scientific article with accurately broken down statistical data. Maybe you can accuse the scientists who made the study of coping, maybe it was a team made of manlets, I dunno, but I was only reporting the article.

>>19462706
You’re retarded and probably a woman

>>19462706
Why did you even reply to my post lol, your post doesnt contradict it

>>19462224
apart from the gesture and the piercing this girl is perfect

>>19462706
>women have a smaller libido then men
false. outted yourself as an incel m8

>>19461633
You're just a narcissist, but I agree that society is unfair and needs to be tore down

>>19462706

>>19461219
Ever thought about Adoption? Genes/passing on your generic lineage and all that are a meme btw. i am an individual, live for myself only, fuck any gene telling me what to do

>>19460665
Who is this broad?
Also ugly women don't want to date ugly men. Also even if they did, a lot of incels would probably think they're too good for it.

>>19462759
would be inkwell if male

>>19462771
>inkwell
Por que?

>>19462763
Who is this absolute king among men?

>>19462763
Is this an attempt at humor or does he legitimately skip movie scenes with women?

>>19462759
This is completely absurd, fucking hell. I'm not particularly interested in adopting a defeatist incel lifestyle, or even disliking women.

I'd rather just hole myself up and build tables, or something.

>>19462802
He’s based regardless

>>19462725
>>19462739
(Average) Women most definitely like average guys, otherwise they wouldn't date them. Of course this doesn't mean that they hate Chad.
>>19462742
Because it was relaying off of it.
>>19462747
Women on average are less libidinous than men. Keyword is on average. Related to that is the fact that women are 4 times more likely to asexual when comparend to men.

>>19462803
Anon dont get psyopped by shitty meme images that someone spent a week with fake profiles trying to make.

>>19462815
It's incredibly cringe if you ask me senpai. Imagine seething so hard that you cant even watch a movie without having a mental breakdown every time a new character appears on screen lmao. A literal mental illness.

>>19462837
Quiet hole

>>19462612

Dude they were measuring beauty, and beautiful people are a minority. Have you fucking seen your average American? They look like total shit, and act like it too

Nobody gave a fuck about my thread on /tv/

>>>/tv/159649516

so fuck it, does /lit/ know any good documentaries on incels?

>>19462842
Stay eternally seething lmfao.

>>19462862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt8JMQUoKto

>>19462862
TFW no gf

>>19460693
I was part of the MySpace phishing thing on 420chan before Chanology overshadowed it.

Think I could write a 400-page heartfelt account of my experiences.

>>19462869
Seething huh? Lol cope

>>19460745
>My Twisted World is the "manifesto" - as it is widely referred to (stylistically it is more akin to an autobiographical manuscript) - written and emailed by Elliot Rodger to his acquaintances, therapist, and family members prior to him committing the Isla Vista killings in 2014.

Didn't know this was a thing. Did something similar for my therapist recently.

Who wants to be in the screenshot?

>>19460693
Write an essay, send it to your local alphabet agency, enjoy a high paying and comfy job to monitor the assends of the internet all day.

>>19462889
Quick, better hide this thread.

I'm going to get a girlfriend soon, mark my words

>>19462862
This shit is so obviously a huge tranny psyop where they're carefully bundling
>displeasure with degradation of values
>disgust toward promiscuous women
>"right wing" politics
>not having sex
That surely form some kind of Venn diagram, but what they want to get to is the concept that
>if you are displeased with nihilistic materialism you are a shooter
>if you don't have sex with promiscuous women you are a shooter
>if you are right wing you are a virgin, and probably a shooter
all of which translate into
>if you are in any way unhappy with our communist globohomo you are potentially a shooter
therefore
>you must take these State-mandated, brain-numbing SSRIs and get back to work as an emotionless drone or we'll send you to the Gulag

>>19462759
i don't think i follow what's going on here but i have a friend who recently hit 30 and is experiencing the bottom-right to a T

how do i save her from the catlife bros

>>19462970
She deserves it.

>>19462970
suicide

>>19462517
I see your point, althought I can't agree with it.

>>19462937
Is there a way to get into your world, as an experiment? If I force myself to read nothing but /pol/ and watch Bitchute videos all day, do I become you?

I think everything these people say is correct. I have a normie girlfriend and I hope to be married soon, but I admit how lucky I feel because of it.
Yes these people are grossly bitter which of course makes them even more repulsive to everyone around them, but ultimately I believe their concept of 'lookism' and their statistics that back them up are entirely correct.
There will be dire consequences for society because of this inequality, we are already seeing it. But it is only going to get worse.

In ooga booga times however the hypergamy dynamic was the same, if not worse. I think a large reason for it is not the inequality in itself, but the fact that sex is put on such a high pedestal by the media/society, as such it makes men feel as if they are missing out on it, which bolsters the feeling of inadequacy or status.

But I wouldn't fear much, the wall is very real. I work in the beauty industry and it is comical almost how all over 30 year olds are desperate to settle down and have children, so I think the inequality eventually evens out. I can see how it is unfair, as these 'incels' will be quite literally taking sloppy seconds, but you can't have your cake and eat it too unfortunately.

If you are not looking for hedonistic validation and you are in your 20-30s wanting to marry, I would look to the Middle East, North Africa or Asia, where you can find traditional girls who are willing to marry. When I was in Iran a father offered me a choice of his two daughters to marry and take home, virgins too. In this globalist age you must look, well, globally

>>19463030
>the wall is very real.

I think this is the core issue, we need to stop denying this and figure out why it is. Women over 30 are just so much less attractive unless you have a specific kink. I don't know if that's societal standards or evolutionary or something else.

>you can find traditional girls who are willing to marry.

Really surprised how many of these incels types want "tradwives" and kids. Don't they want their own space under their own control, and enough free time to play video games? Do they think they'll make good dads?

>>19462144
If you don't need them to see don't wear them.
>>19462152
It's a medical device to correct vision problems no one gives a fuck what you have to say about the fashion of square frames

>>19462803
>This is completely absurd, fucking hell.
You should start considering that you probably wouldn't like the kind of woman who uses tinder, by the sole virtue that you use 4chan or any internet subculture, and since you go on /lit/ specifically, there's a chance that you might actually read books. Tinder is a site for casual hookups that only the most vapid of normies use. I remember years ago when I wanted to get dating again, I took a look at a few of these sites and the people on it aren't very diverse at all, they're always ultra vapid turbo normies. The girls are all stacys with zero interest in anything except shopping and watching The Office. I couldn't find a single one who shared any of my hobbies even tangentially. You wouldn't want a relationship with this kind of person. Now I don't know where all the interesting people have gone, or maybe I've yet to come to the realization that 99% of women on Earth use Tinder or some other site like that, which would be horrifying, but as far as I know there is definitely a living environment outside of this particular subsection of the internet, where you can get in touch with a much greater variety of people on a more human level than "here's my photo while flexing, wanna smash" that's fucking sad. I remember when I met this girl online back when the world was more sane, it took us like 3 months to share photos of each other, and then we met IRL. She turned out to be a cold-hearted witch but she was very pretty and I loved her anyway. I want to believe that it's possible somewhere in the world to still have this sort of experience, to fall sweetly in love with a beautiful stranger who will cackle maniacally while crushing your bleeding heart in her wicked fujoshi talons. Ahh I miss her so much.

>>19463090
I would think that most "incels" who don't want kids are actually "vocels."

>>19460665
That's a man

>>19463171
What's the man's name

The thing that makes me question the incel narrative the most was when I actually met one in person. He was a fairly handsome guy, but not very interesting personality wise. He could barely maintain a conversation and gave off very apathetic vibes.

It makes me wonder just how much the incel problems are self-inflicted. Whenever I’ve put my foot out to get a relationship, I’ve got one. It’s really a matter of wheter or not I can personally be bothered pursuing a relationship. Charisma seems to be the most important skill, which unfortunately isn’t something that can be taught in schools and is instead learned naturally. The incel philosophy seems strange to me when it’s a well known fact that relationships don’t automatically equate to happiness.

>>19463459
just work harder, don't you want it? Dance monkey boy. I said DANCE >>19462759

>>19463459
It's not self inflicted it's more of a catch 22. Those who have good communications skills get to practice them more, it's so simple I can't believe you can't see it sweetie. What is self inflicted is their pity and rage

>>19463459
Women hate inexperience and won't tolerate anything awkwardness or clumsiness at all. Anyone who gets in earlier keeps getting while late bloomers are largely blocked out entirely.

>>19461040
>Are you actually fucking schizophrenic?
It's possible but the likelier explanation is he's trolling and you took the bait and lost the game Try being smart?

>>19462937
The other guy who replied to you has no life experience.

>>19460665
>Why don't these inferior men simply bang ugly women?
<5/10 women only fuck>5/10 men

>>19460785
>the white incel
>posts mexican chads

>>19460546
Everything everyone is saying in this thread is demoralization programming. 99% of you aren't doing it on purpose, but you've accepted it and you repeat it so it doesn't really make a difference.
You don't need social skills or charisma to form relationships. You don't need to be good looking to have a good looking partner.
A lot of guys need to work on themselves, try harder, be better, but men are obviously only half of the problem. The deeper issue is systemic and it has always been feminism.
The idea that women's desire is the best indicator of genetic fitness is the height of absurdity. How many times have your desires led you somewhere that wasn't in your best interests? This should be the most obvious thing in the world.
The idea that the men who have the most sex are the most genetically fit is the height of absurdity. We do not live in the stone age, and you are not a king. Natural selection is an evolutionary concept. Evolution occurs through reproduction. If the best are mating with the best, yet producing no offspring, this logic implodes on itself. It's dead in the water. And if merely having sex with as many women as possible were the measure of genetic fitness, pornographers would
Incels certainly exist on a spectrum which includes at the lower end those who are genetically unfit, however this is still a canard because we all know it's trite that the stupid and poor breed at greater rates than the intelligent and affluent. A definition of incel then is a man who is disgusted by female promiscuity and the expression of it, which means they're of good character. I believe their primary stumbling block is pornography, because the consumption of pornography represents a diametric contradiction to the above mentioned core value, and the result of which can only then be an insidious yet total erosion of all their strength of character; loss of the self: self-confidence, -esteem, -possession, -control, -belief...etc.
Only by rediscovering, reclaiming, and facing up to the moral truth of a disgust for promiscuity in all its forms, and living in accordance with that truth, can these men reclaim themselves in all their strength. Doing so makes everything being discussed here meaningless.

>>19463699
You're conflating two subjects, one is what a given man should do to prosper, the other is the actual statistics on the subject.

>>19463673
proof that incels have gender dysmorphia

>>19463716
what do you mean?

Incel is one side of the failure of feminism, or probably more accurately the total consumerization of human life. The modern banking state sees humans primarily as engines of GDP growth. Locking women down in marriage+childcare is economically inefficient. consumer society does nothing to incentivize young marriage+child rearing.
I think the issue of hypergamy was present for probably millenia, but adding algorithms and wide access to dating options exacerbated it.
Thinking back, I’m having trouble tying together the consumer idea and inceldom, but I’m pretty sure they are related. I think all of our societal ills are tied to our society’s lack of any meaningful goals or common bonds; and this is evidenced in our #1 metrics of success being purely financial(illusory) and our #1 physical ailments being due to overconsumption (of food, sex, information)

>>19460546
>>19463699
>pornographers would
*would be the peak of genetic fitness. No seducer, celebrity musician, sports star, stone age king, or 'Chad' in history has had as much effortless sex with as many different women as many modern day pornographers.

>>19461192
>The women have to go along with it convincingly and have to go into a room on the property to fool around with them while asking intimate questions of the incel and being caring for him.
But then it would be a lie and an affront on the "incels" dignity. I would rather be an "incel" than forced horse-shit on a silver platter.

>>19463852
Genetic fitness is not measured by sex idiot. It's measured by offspring and by that measure the goblins of the world have had much success

>>19461063
>TLDR in a women run society women will pick only a few men to have sex with and be intimate with while the rest of men will just exist without purpose and accept.


FUCK THAT, women have proven one thing. They are completely incapable of maintaining the society which pleasures them so much.

Women are using up the remains of a male patriarchy and selecting the dumbest most submissive males to be their partners so that they maintain control.

Its like the guy who becomes manager in a company to advance his interests and not the interest of the company who pays him. The company ultimately fails as enough of these people become manager.

Society will fail under control of women as they are unable or unwilling to do the work which supports it.

Men need to stop supporting society and women will become property in no time.

Intelligent and capable men need to stop letting women choose unintelligent and incapable men as their partners.

>>19463987
>Intelligent and capable men need to stop letting women choose unintelligent and incapable men as their partners.
But the whole incel schtick is that the incapable men (incels) aren't getting women, while the capable ones (chad) do.

>>19461168
>>19461181
they weren't even remotely thinking about you, don't worry anon. Those couples probably have their own issues that they are dealing with themselves. Sometimes things look perfect from the outside but you never know how dysfunctional some of these couples can be. shits crazy.

>>19460665
is this what it looks like when a woman talks to you?

>>19461080
Enjoy paying child support for children you will never meet.

>>19464186
p sure that's a dude but close enough

>>19461633
Are you a manlet?

>>19463534

This is the thing I hate the most. That you're supposed to be some dancing entertaining monkey boy. Your words are close to my hate-phrase for the phenomenon.

There's some edgy quote in the flick Se7en with a similar sentiment.

The reason these threads go nowhere is the men that air their grievances quickly realize the only solution that would fix it is illegal to openly speak about inside of America, so the thread turns into a schizophrenic mess dancing around the illegal topic while people who benefit from modern society desperately attempt to talk people down.

>>19464394

It isn't clear what you're referring to specifically, but it's easy to guess the territory. What is the obvious, unspeakable thing that would set sexual relations right to the advantage of the weird incels? It could be one of a few different things.

-lowering age of consent laws, or similar (this is the most obvious/transgressive one in the post-feminist raising the AoC world which is why I place it first),
-mowing down alphas and stacies (impractical, cf. Rodger, who scored quite badly himself, and countless other beta male shooters)
-various other softer ways of limiting women (restriction of franchise by repeal of the woman vote amendment, etc, advocating for traditional culture/white separatism, etc).

It isn't illegal simply to /describe/ any of these phenomena as you suggest, nor even to advocate for them. Even now, the first amendment controls. What may be construed as illegal is if any such profession or sentiment can be construed as a threat of violence, and this usually entails that the threat be targeted and specific.
You may be confusing "illegal" with "socially unacceptable/cancellable", which you could reasonably say is a distinction without a practical difference.

>>19464706
I'd imagine he just meant reinstating patriarchy

>>19464726

I know I'm overthinking it but he made a very specific point that that (or a similar transgressive idea) is "illegal!" to talk about. My main point is that he should have used a more accurate word, depending on what he actually had in mind. I am assuming an American context based on his post.

>>19461652

Even a delusional schizo can get laid all the time living here and being a local at a nearby Irish bar

>>19463030
What were you doing in Iran?

I actually do believe in hypergamy somewhat in that only a small percentage of men fuck women but I do necessarily agree that this has to do with money, power, fame, and obviously looks. However I dont think this Evo psych or even biological stance has alot to do with it. As it stands women have and always been the first products of their surroundings, cultures and environment. They are the first to complain and last to retreat in their values. To really change or get a woman is to really change the world.

You remove God, and dignity, from Marriage, and now you have a nation of whores, and whoremongers. Suffer the consequences. These are the last days.

>>19465095
But Anon, churchgirls are notorious sluts too (catholics especially).

>>19465109
Yeah where did you learn that? 4chan?

>>19465109
real life is not a Pornhub, you know?

>>19465111
By banging 5 of them in my teens, three of them smoked weed with me too and two took it up the ass as well as pussy. All of them are tradwives now.

>>19464057
Chads are incapable of holding civilization, they are hedonists who never settle down

>>19465123
Maybe you shpuld actually party with those catholic girls instead of hanging out on tradlarping twitter/youtube and see for yourself, kek.

I'm 23, literally every friend / guy I know my age has had a girlfriend, while I have zero sexual experience. I'm good at conversation and athletic and have a well paying job, but just can never get anything to work. Recently I tried going out with trans women (originally guys) in a final ploy to lose my virginity without paying for it, but I got rejected by them too lol. I swear I'm not even ugly, idk what it is, but the whole dating thing feels absurd to me, I can't even be angry any longer. Going to try strengthening my relation to my parents and siblings, since I think they'll continue to be my only real source of intimacy and connection for the foreseeable future. At the end of the day that's all I want.

>>19460546
Nobody that fucks gives a fuck about you incels
You can post all the tinder statistics you want, the fact is that it’s your behavior and your behavior alone that don’t get you laid

>>19465318
You seem to care :)

>>19465095
Larp and cringe
>>19465109
Fun fact, in the German town where I’m from, half the city is catholic, the other protestant. Guess in which part of town all the brothels are kek

>>19465327
Maybe I don’t fuck enough :/

>>19460884
>It is so ridiculous that it would be scoffed at if it was fiction
It's a good snapshot of LA culture. If it was a novel, it would be one of the best released this century. It doesn't take cues from none. It's a totally original work. Nothing prior ever comes close.

>>19462882
/i/?

>>19461252
>Its got nothing to do with hypergamy
Modern dating dynamics are defined by it. We all experience it in one way or another. Blame modern media and the internet.

>>19461636
>otherwise they get pumped and dumped
Most men are more than happy to settle down with used goods.

>>19462764
>Genes/passing on your generic lineage and all that are a meme btw
It absolutely is not a meme. Your genes are arguably the most important thing you give to your children. Assuming they don't starve to death, genes are king when it comes to determining life outcomes.

>>19465603
The change needs to come from us. We have to stop tolerating poor behaviour. The moment we stop accepting hyper-promiscuity and "body positivity" is the moment when women will straighten up. I unironically think that a mass NEET revolution is happening. Men are dropping out of society at an alarming rate. Just look at university admissions to see what I mean. I suspect that we're going to see a reactionary culture shift in the next few years. Zoomers hate working and are more than happy to go without things previous generations held dear.

>>19465351
Which part? I'm curious

>>19464057
Capability in terms of obtaining women has to do with physical and social attributes which do not correlate with capability in terms of advancing mankind. In fact the opposite.

Youre looking for evidence, right? Consider, just as an example, the demographic of men having the most children. Then consider that same demographic of men in terms of wealth. I am referring to black and hispanic, only because this is what we have data on. But it would be the same for the chads too