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I take the bible exactly 74% literally

>>19461265
>if you don't believe anonymous jewish folktales you're an atheist
At least the Quran actually claims to be the word of God.

It depends what you mean by that exactly...

Revelation intentionally went out of the way to show that parts of the Bible are symbolic metaphors.

The Bible literally says that the sky is God's throne and the Earth is His footstool.

I'm not sure how literally you want to take the Bible... Metaphors are constantly used.

>>19461265
No you aren't. My relationship w God does not start or end w the Bible. It starts/ends w God the creator of everything who divinely inspired every religious truth that exists because there's only one God.

>>19461374
Yeah, but your relationship with Christianity has ended, heretic

>>19461374
Which ones are the divinely-inspired truths and which are the non-divininely-inspired untruths, and how do you know?

>>19461540
By contingency of creation.

>>19461422
Christianity has got rid of its relationshio w other christianities as evidenced by this post. God has not stopped being the creator of everything.

>>19461577
I asked which ones

>>19461265
Idk if the Song of Songs is meant to be taken literally?

If you don’t read the Bible simultaneously on literal, allegorical, typological and anagogical levels you are opening the door towards atheism. Unironically.

>>19461265
This is the exact opposite of true. If you DO take the bible 100% literally you're opening the door to atheism. Metaphorical explanations of Biblical passages are and always have been canon. How else can you rectify there being four separate differently-written accounts of Jesus' life in the same book? When to acknowledge "Yes, the NT should be treated historically, but the tradition is sacred" you can defeat atheism. When you try to pass off the NT as literal and exactly true, you are building your castle on sand.

>>19461265
so spake the demiurge

>>19461704
tropological?

>>19461704
>>19461735
Refuted by history

>>19461762
That too. I think you’re right that is what is usually said over typological. Typological could probably be grouped with allegorical.

>>19461588
Everything is truth, even better everything is. It is in relation to the creator by emanationism. There are no untruths that's a linguistic/epistemological contraption.

>>19461780
I think I stand pretty much at the top of the stairs here though. Scripture absolutely has a literal sense. I believe in a young Earth and six-day creation, as well as the historicity of the Old and New Testaments, however, on top of the bare literal interpretion, Scripture is incredibly multi-layered. Multiple things are often being said at the same time.

>>19461789
Well I think typological is important enough to include/accentuate, really, I just knew of the typical four and wanted to know if you had intended the alteration or was I otherwise missing something that I needed to have explained. Otherwise, your post is absolutely right on and the most crucial of any in the thread for anyone who is legitimately interested in the actualities.

>>19461265
>opening the door to atheism
Nah, all you tools will jump through hoops to keep believing in your pie in the sky

>>19461780
>Refuted by this one political comic

>>19461824
Yeah, I think trying to think deeper about what is going on in the text like that really enriches the meaning and depth of Scripture. I really feel bad for those who just try to read it like it is a one-meaning text. That’s not to say that they won’t get a lot out of it still potentially, but it really showed me stuff with new eyes personally

>>19461838
Sorry, I’m not a Bible relativist (nihilist).

>>19461265
>If you do take the Bible 100% literally you’re opening the door to schizophrenia
FIFY

it was NOT written as one book for one audience. the Pentateuch yeah, maybe even the whole OT. but the NT makes no sense. in one verse Christians are Jews' mortal enemies and in the next they're Jewish auxiliaries who happily accept their second-class status

>>19461265
If you don’t take the Quran 100% literally you’re opening the door to atheism

>>19461871
>in one verse Christians are Jews' mortal enemies and in the next they're Jewish auxiliaries who happily accept their second-class status
Never read the Bible confirmed

>>19461871
>>19461871
Even the individual book which form the pentateuch are stitched together from different version of the text

>>19461846
Oh, it's very often onion layered to say the very least, to incredible depths of varied, yet perfectly harmonious meaning. Sometimes one layer can go far, far beyond another layer, but the simpler (typically the more literal) layer is in no way negated or unnecessary. And sometimes it is crucial to take one layer as literal in order to *unlock* the various others and then indeed nullify the original literalness. Once one has understood enough of this it becomes impossible to deny divine authorship.

>>19461880
crumbs from the master's table

if you give Jews your money like Paul sez in Romans maybe you can be in the great multitude and live under the 144,000 forever

>>19461907
>Oh, it's very often onion layered to say the very least, to incredible depths of varied, yet perfectly harmonious meaning
fantasy. you decided it was chock full of meaning before you read. it's just Jewish nationalism. the rest is schizophrenia and projection

>>19461920
>it's just Jewish nationalism
Jews have always been those who follow God, not exclusively a race. You have never read the Bible and I can prove it

>>19461810
Remember you share a board with troglodytes like this Christcuck here anons

>>19461265
or maybe you're not a protestant.

>>19461265
Then why did atheism and modern progressivism emerge so consistently from Protestantism? Once you've eliminated the traditions, church authority, etc. you're left with only scripture. Then there's just once more thing to go.

This is your tradition

This is your authority

This is your sacrament

>>19461960
Did the Israelites stop being Jews when they made the golden calf

>>19461960
>Jews have always been those who follow God, not exclusively a race
and there it is, the lie that ruined your mind. silly goy

>>19461265
Amen

>>19461265
There's a lot of shit in-between atheism and christianity.

>>19463191
>There's a lot of shit in-between atheism and christianity.
There's even more when you realize that Christianity is just a stepping stone to atheism.

>>19461265
AMEN

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>>19463231
highly redpilled post

>>19463231
Keyed

>>19461265
If I do I am

>>19463294
>redpilled
*retarded
FTFY

>>19461780
add about three staircases worth to include the descent into secular power then lutheranism then reformed theology
Fifth-rate heretics presume to lecture anybody on their suicidal failures lmao

>>19463191
basically 7 types of belief
1.atheism
2.agnostism
3.deism
4.monotheism
5.finite theism
6.polytheism
7.panentheism

>>19463435
>People fooled by Satan into becoming Babylonian Ishtar worshipers presume to lecture anybody on their suicidal failures lmao
FTFY

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>>19462439
Esther 8:17 debunks you

>>19463525
the textbook response of the protestant: resort to schizo conspiracy theories and coping instead of fixing the problems they brought to their societies
Sad!

>>19463602

There is no such thing as a bible verse which establishes a truth, or which refutes an untruth.

>>19463620
On the contrary, revelation itself is an epistemic mechanism which allows us to know things beyond the reach of the senses and intellect.

Imagine needing a book to know the truth
I feel sorry for you, no really I do, bc you have faith and faith is for the blind
This will attract a lot seething haters, hylics and just generally people who can't hang with me

>>19463630

>>19461780
>>19461780
>no resurrection two steps below no deity

>>19461810
>I believe in a young Earth and six-day creation, as well as the historicity of the Old and New Testaments
lol good for you

>>19463464
There is only theism, gl

>>19463777
This, but minus "lol" and unironically.
>>19461810
Based/blessed.

>>19461810
>I believe in a young Earth and six-day creation, as well as the historicity of the Old and New Testaments, however, on top of the bare literal interpretion, Scripture is incredibly multi-layered. Multiple things are often being said at the same time.