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Julius Evola’s books. He calls it caste, but really he’s talking about the feudal system.

>>19456857
Have you checked nrx stuff? I had a neo feudalist take that I felt solved a lot of problems. In the end feudalism isn't efficient enough to supplant capitalism or any expansionary external government.

>>19456857
What would anons do in a feudal society (assuming most of us are gonna be chucked to peasant or freeman status) how does one apply to become a monk and get a bit of that sweet tithe money?

>>19456887
Nepotism mostly, you know that anon lol.

Feudalism was great if you were in the top 5%. What that means, given your reactionary premise here, is that odds are all the elite people you currently hate would not only be in charge, they would also collect rent from you and make you till the earth. But you'd probably also have a wife by default, which you probably lack now and blame the elite for. So maybe you'd be able to cope with feudalism, but you'd also be seething at how much more power your enemies would have

>>19456887
I think you could be an anchorite pretty easily back when neets were considered holy.

>>19456857
Boethius

>>19456911
Yeah but some feudal lords impregnated your wife on your wedding day lol

>>19456857
I can kinda get the attraction to facism but with feudalism your basically willingly condemning yourself to a life of slavery. Are anons really that stupid?

>>19456925
Name one example where the source isn't from a rival nation

>>19456887
I'd be the court philosopher

>>19456911
>dds are all the elite people you currently hate would not only be in charge, they would also collect rent from you and make you till the earth
they already do. taxes are higher than in the middle ages and rent even more. I still have to wageslave, but I have none of the protections that the tie to the land guaranteed to the peasants - until Roman Law was brought back, at least.

>>19456945
I read it in edward rutherfurd's russka book.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur

>>19456857
Democracy the god that failed. Not that hoppe wants feudalism he wants ancap.

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>>19456945
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>>19456965
It says it got formally banned too.

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>>19456965
lmao the state of anglo medievalists, simply making shit up

>>19456925
Means my son will get to be a knight, r-right?
>>19456951
Ok so skip feudalism, bring back the Roman republic

>>19456978
Why would this not have happened?

>>19456949
Lol at pic rel

>>19456980
If she got pregnant he was treated a bit nicer usually but that's it iirc

>>19456985
Yeah I sort of doubt epsteinism is a new thing under the sun...

>>19456887
I bet the average anon would be an artisan, like leather or textiles or something. Not smart enough to be a scribe, not charming enough to be a bard, and not rough enough to succeed as a man-at-arms, or even really at his trade. His master would keep him as an apprentice well into his twentieth year. He would lack marriage prospects due to his tendency to discuss obscure religious theories and the habits of the local frogs. That wouldn't bother him because the women he knew were nothing like the fairy maidens in the songs. He would be the only one to take confession seriously, and the monks would pass many an evening making sport of his earnest, rambling struggles with "self-rape." He would die of rectal infection after a brief spell serving as a "maiden squire" for an outlaw band in open revolt against the local lord.

>>19456978
This happens today still.

>>19456999
It sounds hot asf desu. I'd do stupid shit w that power assuming no revolts were possible

>>19457011
Well as your Lord you shouldn't be mad at me, I am defending the realm and our good religion. You should be mad at those unscrupulous tax collectors who I owe money to. Did I mention they do not love our savior?

>>19457004
That's a pretty negative take now try a realistic one.

>>19457021
Is anybody else on this board w the cognition of a young teen at most?

It's hot asf and there are huge reasons we don't do this. To a large degree kings were limited by the customs of the ppl. If you went around doing stupid shit you got killed by your guards. How about that one for you dumbass

>>19457036
Hence the ideal king is an drooling inbred

>>19456857
Karl Ludwig von Haller has recently been rediscovered (by far right internet autists) as a major theorist of feudalism.

https://carlsbad1819.wordpress.com/category/karl-ludwig-von-haller/

https://halleriana.substack.com/

Hans Hermann Hoppe is (illegitimately) trying to claim him as a proto-ancap.

http://www.hanshoppe.com/2021/09/the-idea-of-a-private-law-society-the-case-of-karl-ludwig-von-haller-pfs-2021/

>>19457057
For a liberal retard. We call our kings great when they do good. A moron king is usually a bigger issue but one you can control hence a breaking of the system. The whole concept of individualism is anger at not being a king so you develop all these copes.

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>>19457105
You're not preventing tyranny by making it unanalyzable. I thought harry potter taught y'all this

>>19457105
Throne sniffer

>>19456963
Hoppes defense of libertarian laissez faire economics is disgusting. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing

>>19457148
It'd be so fucking cool and I'd do my best but there are better systems (I'd impregnate 3 women a day lol)

>>19457072
https://carlsbad1819.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/karl-ludwig-von-haller-his-life-and-work/

Opposed to both these tendencies of liberalism, separated from them by the breadth of the heavens, was Carl Ludwig von Haller, the dreaded “restorer of political science.” The Bernese aristocrat had seen the power of the Swiss patricians collapse amid the storms of the Revolution, and subsequently, as an exile in Austrian service, had constructed the political system which was “to re-establish monarchy upon its true foundations, to overthrow the presumptuous revolutionary science of the godless eighteenth century, and to make the Catholic church shine with renewed effulgence.”

With the proud consciousness of his claim to rank as a universal historian, he announced his doctrine, first of all in Allgemeine Staatskunde (1808), and subsequently, from 1816 onwards, in Restauration der Staatswissenschaft. It seemed to him a wonderful dispensation of Providence that from him in particular, the born republican and Protestant, should proceed the anti-revolutionary doctrine of salvation. And indeed the sledge-hammer dialectical blows of his severe reasoning fell with crushing force upon the imaginative structures of the doctrine of natural rights. It was the incontrovertible demonstrations of this blustering naturalist which first shattered the belief in the state of nature, in the social contract, and in the innate sovereignty of the people, even in those circles of the uninstructed who were unable to follow the ideas of the historical school of law. Yet all that he advanced in place of this obsolete doctrine was a crude popularisation of the principles of patrimonial law upon which had been based the authority of the Bernese aristocracy. Just as in former days the rulers of Berne had treated the conquered subject lands of Aargau and Vaud simply as the property of their glorious republic, so Haller founded the state solely upon the right of the stronger. Land belongs to a prince, a corporation, or a church; upon this property of a suzerain lord, and under his protection, settlers appear; if the people should disappear, the state would still continue to exist in the person of the prince, who can readily find new subjects. Consequently the state resembles any other association based on civil law, differing from others only because it is more powerful and independent, and because its prince is “an owner, a man equipped with absolutely independent rights”; he rules the nation through the instrumentality of his personal servants, is entitled to regard (it is even his duty to regard) himself and his house as the principal aim for which the state exists, but he must resist the dispersion of his own property and must protect his subjects with his own soldiers.

>>19457072
I read the first volume of his book earlier this year, it's very kino, though long winded

>>19457170
Let's do best two out of three. Winner gets all the wives. Be Vikings instead of englishmen

>>19456928
It’s a huge misconception that there was no flexibility at all on the feudal system. To be clear, there was very little flexibility but it did exist. A man could earn status for himself through wealth or deeds, and not just by birth. That’s actually one more way than a man can earn status now come to think of it…

>>19457224
I have no idea what your concepts of this are. I have no cultural ties at all to libertarianism in any sense. Monarchism has holes but it does a few things better than liberalism. This might not sound like an important distinction but I don't think slavery was possible in feudalism. Slavery, especially chattel, doesn't require you to protect them except where you would lose money. Feudalism requires a good population as that's how you maintain power instead of the market.

In any sense, all three systems should be deprecated. I would have a sort of automatic mechanistic government based on a good value system.

>>19457253
My ideal politics are whatever benefits me. Don't really care about the fine print since I have no means to implement any political goals in the first place. I'll give it more thought if I ever become obscenely rich

>>19456887
offer your bum to the local priest enough times and he'll get you into the university

>>19456887
My Father works a trade that has existed for at least 2000 years for an institution that has existed for nearly 1000 so I'd probably be his apprentice with him doing almost exactly the same as what he does now. It's a step down from being a doctor now but it's better than most options. I definitely prefer living now though.
>>19456980
>your son
>>19456978
>Nobles wouldn't exploit their power to fuck more women even though that has happened in literally every period of history
the droit de seigneur was never an actual right but that doesn't mean the nobility didn't rape married peasant women

>>19457268
>liberal liberal bullshit liberal nonsense
No SOVL

>>19457308
>soul is submitting to some guy with a well bred ass
I'll pass and keep "liberalism."

>>19457332
No what is having a soul in any means is the ability to have a decent conversation about something you disagree with and look it in the eye, live it then put it back and seek better. You can't treat anything as what it is except as in it not being you or helping and the degree of it. You've had a full 10 replies to figure it out.

>>19457272
That is what we call a win win situation

>>19456949
this is why they can never recruit normies

>>19457345
Remind me why we need to defend feudalism again? Get ahold of yourself anon, not everyone who doesn't "want" feudalism is soul-less.

only the dead have seen the end of feudalism

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>>19457004
Fun post. Make more posts like it in the future please

>>19456857
Ernst Kantorowiczs Friedrich the Second, it might be the best biography ever written and it saved the authors life since the top Nazis loved it and they told him to escape to the US before the crystal night
Its sequel The Kings Two Bodies is a extremely dry read but it also counts as profeudal imo, since in both books he portrays the genius rulership of the Medieval Kingdom of Sicily and for kingship over republicanism just like Carl Schmitt

>>19456887
Neufeudalism is Georgism that goes beyond just the idea to tax land only so you could do whatever you want really

why feudalism specifically? feudalism was just another back to the land movement, so you should broaden your search for agrarian literature in general imo

>>19457004
kek

>>19457219
Link to English translation?

>>19457888
>employer mandated onions rations
What fucking retard made this?

>>19456887
unironically be gay and from a rich family

>>19456949
>situation so bad they need to recycle clothes from scraps
>but I'd totes make lattes uwu
Fuck these retards.

>>19456857
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>>19457888
Have you worked a day of hard labour in your life? Also I’m pretty sure you can still live the serf life by joining a religious commune but anons would never actually go beyond the larp.

>>19457004
based local lord poster

>>19459592
>Have you worked a day of hard labour in your life?
Not him but yes and it was very fulfilling. I wish I could be an artisan actually.

>>19456857
no