/lit/ - Literature

>>19456350
Mostly pretentious YA tier garbage

>translated light novels
processed garbage
>raw light novels
regular garbage, useful for language learning

Can a single day pass without a "are LNs literature" thread? One single fucking day, for God's sake?

>>19456350
>better than 99.9% of all modern Western nihilistic garbage
Why would that be? Aren’t they just jap YA, so yeah there may be a couple of decent ones (if anyone has any suggestions I’d actually interested to look into them) that have more than just a completely surface level story.
If you think they’re gonna be better because they’re Japanese and japs are based or some shit then you should go back to r/animememes.

>>>/jp/ stay where you belong faggot

lole, do japs really write like that?

>>19456350
Why do all anime/manga-fags write with the same weird stilted English? I’ve noticed it in pretty much all otaku spaces I’ve used like comments on anime related YouTube videos or mangadex.

>>19456350
Why do all anime/manga-fags write with the same weird stilted English? I’ve noticed it in pretty much all the Japanese media related spaces I’ve used. like comments on anime related YouTube videos or mangadex.

>>19456485
>ESL
>translations
>people that have been mostly socialised online
>中二病

>>19456472
Japanese sentences that sound fine in their own language will often sound stilted and awkward when translated into, for example, English

>>19456472
This is a good example of LN writing. You don't even want to know what the worst this medium has to offer looks like.

>>19456452
>if anyone has any suggestions I’d actually interested to look into them
Monogatari series (although I can't imagine any translation being as creative as the original Japanese)
Suzumiya Haruhi (peaks in the 4th volume)
Wolf and Spice (if you can handle European medieval fantasy by a Japanese author)
Honzuki (ditto)
Index series (massive worldbuilding, starts really slowly)
Tomozaki if you're into self-help

>>19456427
Good question

>>19456568
Is this really the best you have to offer me?

anime really is fucking garbage.

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>>19456568
>although I can't imagine any translation being as creative as the original Japanese
What's so creative about it?

>>19456568
>Monogatari.
No.
> peaks in the 4th volume.
No.
> if you can handle European medieval fantasy by a Japanese author.
No.
>massive worldbuilding, starts really slowly.
No.
> if you're into self-help.
Fuck no.
Wow anon these almost all sound terrible. You really do have appalling taste.

>>19456350
>Is there deeper literary value in light novels?
Yes, but /lit/ will never admit it due to them being pseudointellectual and thinking they can write something of literary value.

>>19456693
(You)

>>19456693
>t.

>>19456350
>Is there deeper literary value in light novels?

>>19456693
Must be true if no one can refute you.

>>19456350
>>19456693
>>19456734
Are you 12? I can tell this is you just replying to yourself because the number of posters on the thread hasn’t gone up since last time I looked.

>>19456568
>Weebs recommending the same 3 light 'novels' for years.

>>19456823
>t.pseud
Light novels have deeper literary value.

>>19456834
Than what? The scrawling of a retarded infant or the writing on the back of a cereal box?

>>19456834
They're made for middle schoolers. What does that say about you?

>>19456350
>Is there deeper literary value in light novels?
/lit/ will never admit to it, due to them being narcissistic and egotistical, but light novels will always have more literary value than the garbage they will ever produce. It’s a simple fact, nothing more and nothing less. Even now, in this thread, there’s nothing but cope from them.

Oh god I’m so sussy rn. I think I’m gonna sus...I...IM GONNA FUCKING SUS.

>>19456350
Somehow worse writing than YA. Worse than fanfiction even. Unreadable.

get this AIDS off my board, where are all the weeb faggots coming from lately

>>19456350
lns nowadays: i got reincarnated as the villain’s _____

>>19456452
>I’d actually interested to look into them
I mention it everyone of these threads but Kino’s Journey is excellent.

>>19456350
LN are better than YA. instead of trying to be edgy and feminist, LN are wholesome and cute. fuck the west, embrace foreign literature. everything in english is doomed to liberal dogma and depravity.

>>19456568
12 kingdoms

>>19458026
isekai is 100x more cringy than the vampire trend and 100x more prolific. it really needs to die. the only good isekai are 12 kingdoms, .hack//sign, escaflowne, and ascendance of bookworm. everything else is horrific self insert power fantasy coomer trash for losers to cope with their loser lives via escapism.

>>19456350
Too bad most translations are shit and not official

>>19456374
Have you even tried a modern YA book? The bar is so low LNs could be even shittier and they'd still be superior

>tourists think this is their place

>>19456350
I mean its not exactly an alien idea for authors to use pictures accommodated by words to help illustrate a setting or idea to a reader/viewer. And with that said, I do believe most literature has value so long as you feel like you've gotten something out of it - whether that be knowledge or entertainment.
On a separate note; why did you make this thread? Are you seeking justification from 4chan for liking LNs'? Congrats anon, you like a medium.

>>19456350
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>>19458858
Sad! All you can do is compare your "novels" to YA made for elementary students, and claim superiority. Seek help.

>>19459067
Welcome to the NHK is good

>>19459110
Not a light novel.

>>19459115
>Not a light novel.
What did he mean by this?
https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/welcome-to-the-nhk-light-novel

>>19456350
Jannies might be coming for ya nigger.
LN can be fun to read once in a while but most of them have terrible writing.

>>19459122
first it was >>>/jp/ then >>>/a/ then r/animemes, and now >>>/wsr/ ?

>>19456350
What do you mean by literary value? How do you define it?

>>19459122
>『NHKにようこそ!』は、滝本竜彦の小説。
>Welcome to the N.H.K. is a Japanese novel written by Tatsuhiko Takimoto.
"Light Novel" is an ill-defined term anyway, but Welcome to the NHK is generally considered to be a regular novel, even if it actually was one of the first successful web novels.

>>19459146
>Moving the goalpost.

>>19459143
anything deep that makes me think

>>19456350
Worrying about the medium itself is gay, any kind of media can be a masterpiece if one puts enough effort and skill into it.
Worry about the individual works instead, the one you posted as example seems pretty damn bad.

>>19459161
> the one you posted as example seems pretty damn bad
> actually posted probably the best one
LN-bros I don't feel so good.

>>19456350
I have worked on the English adaptations of light novels professionally. I can safely say that they have no literary value whatsoever. That is not to say they have no place. A light novel is entertainment for children, teenagers, and adults who want escapism that does not challenge them. It is entertainment product. Many light novels are written by young men in their early 20s who have never engaged with anything other than light novels, and have the hallmarks of amateur writing and myopic worldview. Japan has actual literary works of great substance, but there is no deeper literary value here. Light novels typically do not even have good prose style in Japanese and some are even better in translation due to more competent writers than the original authors polishing them.

>>19459155
Well, then it depends on what you consider as deep. Something deep to others might be seen as shallow in your eyes, same thing reversed. Something deep that is deep to you might not be to others. To answer the question: sure, there could be.

>>19459185
>tldr: it's japanese YA

>>19459202
Yes, except heavily male-centric whereas YA since Twilight in the west is almost exclusively female-centric, hence why LNs are now finding an audience here as (surprise surprise) there are still young men who want to read books that speak to their own biases

>>19459217
How does spice and wolf, a book about middle age economics, speaks to the ?

>>19456350
That page reads like a smut. What the fuck, people publish this shit?

>>19459222
>a hard-working but lonely man meets a beautiful and magical woman who enriches him both spiritually and financially, and together they have many adventures that test but ultimately strengthen their bonds before the man ultimate achieves his dreams and starts a family with his loyal goddess-wife

Gee I don't know why this would resonate with young men's fantasies

>>19459229
>move to Japan
>publish Web Novel
>publish Light Novel
>profit?

>>19459229
Don't insult smut like that.

Yes, I quite enjoyed the light novel Ugetsu no Monogatari, the one short story about a monk waking up as a fish and living a fish life in particular

>>19459229
And that's one of the better ones. You don't want to see the level of writing in an average isekai LN.

Light novels, comic books, video games, and tv shows are all literature. Deal with it, chuds.

>can fanfiction written by gook insectoids pass me off as an actual reader and intellectual???
Kill yourself Jesus.