/lit/ - Literature

Nietzsche was a nutcase with unrequited power fantasies who deservedly died alone in a loony bin and today is remembered mostly by spergs who only leave their basement for unlimited tendies night at O'Charleys.

>>19452355
We need a 'belongs on /pol/' report option like /his/ does

>fedorafaggot falls into clinical madness
Lmao

>How the fuck did this happen?
(((academia)))

>>19452396
You seem awfully upset, fren - how come?

>>19452411
this

university professors are simply so scared that anyone could figure him out as intended (as Zynkyoku did) that they desperately use his criticism of the christian anti-semites in "Human, All too Human" to """refute""" later clear cut accusations of Judaism itself in e.g. "Anti-Christ" or "Twilight of the Idols".
and because university students are terminally retarded, docile cattle, it works out just fine, so that midwits and pseuds can parrot it without actually having to read all those difficult words he wrote.

>>19452355
Nice bait Op.

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>>19452587
This

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>>19452608
"This is precisely why the Jews are the most disastrous people in world history: they have left such a falsified humanity in their wake that even today Christians can think of themselves as anti-Jewish without understanding that they are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism."

Wagner eternally BTFO'd

>>19452411
Can you post some examples of this happening?

>>19452623
Nietzsche:

https://youtu.be/2Fe9PUFW0Uk?t=4799

>>19452634
>Can you post some examples of this happening?
(pic rel.)

>>19452636
not clicking that shit nigga

>>19452623
>Plato was Judaism

>>19452396
He also had a really goony keyboard... erm, I mean typewriter. Most definitely would've posted on 4chan

>>19452648
>reading Plato unironically

>>19452641
I think you'd like it. It's pretty blunt and honest.

>>19452650
fun-fact: he was one of the very first authors to write on a typewriter

>>19452652
Is Judaism merely an influential example of 'priestly morality', or is it the progenitor of 'priestly morality'?

>nigga doesn't even read Nietzsche

>>19452659
It is the main example of 'priestly morality'
dunno about phoenician scribes n shit, but they are minutial to the issue at hand

>>19452396
My favorite Nietzsche quote:

“I know my fate. One day my name will be associated with the memory of something tremendous — a crisis without equal on earth, the most profound collision of conscience, a decision that was conjured up against everything that had been believed, demanded, hallowed so far. I am no man, I am dynamite.”

He was right. A megalomaniac. But right.

>>19452654
damn, you were right

https://youtu.be/NhsK5WExrnE

>>19452355
>be internet nazi (You)
>spend formative years being angry about being a social reject on /pol/ instead of laughing, having sex with your doting and loving teenage girlfriend, and having adventures with your close friends, forging bonds for life
>gradually rot your soul through unsourced infographics and 14 hours of hate a day
>stumble over Nietzsche
>be immensely attracted to this hermit-figure because he explains your social atomization as a function of your genius and the insufferable mediocrity of everyone else
>read the following quote by Nietzsche in a letter to his cunt sister
>One of the greatest stupidities you have committed - for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me ever again with ire or melancholy. ... It is a matter of honor to me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal regarding anti-Semitism, namely opposed, as I am in my writings.
>try desperately to reconcile "le based philosopher who is just like me" with nazi leanings developed over a lifetime wasted on /pol/, in the most pitiful existence imaginable of immense but utterly banal and preventable suffering
>write a shitty retard /pol/post on /lit/

>>19452714
>nazi
that's where i stopped reading

>>19452673
If Christianity can equally be said to be the priestly morality of the Greeks as the Jews, why call it Jewish?

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>>19452675
sick, did he predict National Socialism?

>>19452721
>be sad and pitiful
>cope by closing eyes

>>19452729
>Christianity can equally be said to be the priestly morality of the Greeks as the Jews
that's just wrong, man

>>19452739
nice projection, have a (You)

>>19452740
That's Nietzsche's opinion.

>>19452744
sure

post quote & provide sauce then

>>19452741
One of the greatest stupidities you have committed - for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me ever again with ire or melancholy. ... It is a matter of honor to me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal regarding anti-Semitism, namely opposed, as I am in my writings.

>>19452753
>Christianity is Platonism for the people

>>19452754
Unpleasant, even dangerous, qualities can be found in every nation and every individual. it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception. In him, these qualities may even be dangerous and revolting to an unusual degree and perhaps the young stock-exchange Jew is altogether the most disgusting invention of mankind

>>19452756
>greentext
yes

but that's something else than saying that the priestly morality of the Jews and the priestly morality of the Greeks is indistinguishable
priestly morality might be in essence always the same. but the spiritual world of ancient Greece and that of Judaism aren't.

>>19452355
>How the fuck did this happen?
WWI and II

>>19452355
>How the fuck did this happen?
because he wrote good things about the jews

>>19452355
Wait, don't Nietzsche claim to dislike anti-semites on Ecce Homo, which came after Anti-Christ?

>>19454091
>didn't
Fix'd. Sorry, ESL anon here.

>>19452714
Well you see, how does this counter OP's argument?

>>19454091
I believe Antichrist came last. And yeah, OP is a dope. He didn’t like antisemites.

>>19454091
He claims to dislike anti-semites a number of times. The OP is just a brainlet.

>>19454117
>I believe Antichrist came last
And you would be wrong, which is par for the course with you.

>>19454137
A lot written in 1888. Hardly matters which month when he’s writing so many at once. Okay.

>>19452714
OP eternally btfo

the seething trannies are late today

>>19454117
>Antichrist came last
precisely, Elsa: ~>>19452623
>being a speed-reader on /lit/
neckself, tripcancer

OP made this thread because he got BTFO'd by a Guenonchad last night

this is for you Pfernda

>B-B-B-BUT HE WAS A ANTISEMITE HIMSELF!!!
>YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!

nazi chudcels really make me laugh

>A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life. Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them. Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs
-"Thus spoke Zarathustra"

>>19454091
lol OP BTFO'd

I argue with this chud every day on /pol/. he's a total moron on the subject and tries to twist Nietzsche to fit his bigoted antisemitic views

>>19454132
He disliked the christian anti-semites of the late 19th century for being hypocritical, but simultaneously rejected the jewish influence on european morals.

It's as if all the spergs in here who screech that Nietzsche totally rejected any and all anti-semitic sentiments either never read "Anti-Christ", "Twilight of the Idols" or "Thus spoke Zarathustra" or knowingly misconstrue his position on the matter because they are massively buttmad over it.

>>19454654
yep. this is just one of many of nietzsches apparent self-contradictions in his writings.

>>19454654
this

>These regulations are instructive enough: here we encounter for once Aryan humanity, quite pure, quite primordial--we learn that the concept of "pure blood" is the opposite of a harmless concept. On the other hand, it becomes clear in which people the hatred, the chandala hatred, against this "humaneness" has eternalized itself, where it has become religion, where it has become genius. Seen in this perspective, the Gospels represent a document of prime importance; even more, the Book of Enoch. Christianity, sprung from Jewish roots and comprehensible only as a growth on this soil, represents the counter-movement to any morality of breeding, of race, privilege: it is the anti-Aryan religion par excellence. Christianity--the revaluation of all Aryan values, the victory of chandala values, the gospel preached to the poor and base, the general revolt of all the downtrodden, the wretched, the failures, the less favored, against "race": the undying chandala hatred as the religion of love.
-"Twilight of the Idols", Chapter 6

to be fair, you have to have a fairly high IQ to comprehend Nietzsche

>>19452714
accurate

that was me too, until I read Guenon (pbuh)

>>19452396
/thread

>>19454654
That's because "nuanced antisemitism" is not supposed to exist. You're supposed to just pick "they dindu nuffin ever" or "I psychotically despise every one of them". The fear is that any nuanced antisemitism will open the door to Hitler again, while the caricature of irrational hatred is more easily dismissed.

>>19452777
why do you always omit the sentence before that Mister?


>Incidentally: the entire problem of the Jews exists only within national states, inasmuch as it is here that their energy and higher intelligence, their capital in will and spirit accumulated from generation to generation in a long school of suffering, must come to preponderate to a degree calculated to arouse envy and hatred, so that in almost every nation – and the more so the more nationalist a posture the nation is again adopting – there is gaining ground the literary indecency of leading the Jews to the sacrificial slaughter as scapegoats for every possible public or private misfortune. As soon as it is no longer a question of the conserving of nations but of the production of the strongest possible European mixed race, the Jew will be just as usable and desirable as an ingredient of it as any other national residue

>>19452714
How will poltards ever recover

>>19454654
>It's as if all the spergs in here who screech that Nietzsche totally rejected any and all anti-semitic sentiments either never read "Thus spoke Zarathustra" or knowingly misconstrue his position on the matter because they are massively buttmad over it.

he's >>19454535 talking about (You) poltard. Nietzsche is laughing from his grave over your retardation

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>>19454743
samefag

>>19454777
>"nuanced antisemitism"
>psychotic despisal
you deserve these digits so much

i'm pretty sure Nietzsche was simply opposed to letting your blind racial hatred make you a slave of ressentiment. that would be Slave Morality.
evidently he still juxtaposes them with the "good european", the "noble Aryan".

you'd have to have your head pretty far up your own arse to not recognize how his philosophy and the terminology he used to lay it out influenced Adolf Hitler and National Socialism as a whole.

>>19454835 (You)
(You) caught me :)

>>19454865
Well Hitler is a pretty clear example of ressentiment so I dont think Nietzsche would have approved. But I was just making a broader statement about how people interact with some of the things N says about Jews, which you would definitely get in hot water for saying today. But he wasn't close to the level of Hitler, who really did hate them.

The link between N and Hitler is more the master race concept and that business, but nazism is definitely infused with slave morality imo.

>>19454835
he always does this because nobody agrees with him and he needs to pretend someone does

>>19454886
>nazism is definitely infused with slave morality imo
i see that rather different - by embracing a "Morality of Breeding", National Socialism affirmed life.

though whether or not Hitler was "enslaved" by his "ressentiment" for Jews is a totally fair discussion to have.

Postmodernism is a brain disease

>>19454903
That would be what I mean, he positions the righteous German people as oppressed by evil jews basically. Pretty textbook slave morality

OP /pol/tard needs to go read Ecce Homo

>>19454939
let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that Hitler indeed succumbed at least partially to Slave Morlity by giving in to ressentiment - isn't the fact that the National Socialist worldview got the notion of the racial state, the morality of breeding and the will to power down to a tee much more important if we are to judge whether the national socialist Weltanschauung was truly nietzschean or not?

because, frankly, that's how i see it.

>>19454968
but Nietzsche said to include the Jews in the breeding of a master race

>>19454968
I agree it has Nietzschean elements, the idea of breeding the master race and will to power and so on. But it was not simply Nietzschean and contained other stuff which Nietzsche was explicitly opposed to.

Nietzsche influenced a ton of things but they are never quite simply Nietzschean

The National Socialist party emerged after the Germans and Hitler were defeated in the Great War. They held extreme ressentiment towards the victors and blamed the Jews for everything.
How is this not slave morality 101?

>>19454803
>all the spergs in here who screech that Nietzsche totally rejected any and all anti-semitic sentiments
Sounds to me like he was talking about (You)

>>19454903
In the fifth book of the homosexual science, added in the second edition from 1887, Nietzsche is literally pissed off at the realization that language is inherently social and collective, and insists that he will try to stop thinking in words, because words have been touched by the disgusting herd-people who have had them in their mouths and minds. That's how autistically tenacous and quite literally mad he is in his hatred of everything collective and social.

Making him a spokesperson of *collectivist* ideology such as nazism is such a profound insult to everything he stood for that I almost have to find it based.

>>19454999
he also hated the German language and thought French and Italian were far superior because it had tempo and were "singing languages"

*whips a horse*

>>19454988
>it was not simply Nietzschean and contained other stuff which Nietzsche was explicitly opposed to
>Nietzsche influenced a ton of things but they are never quite simply Nietzschean
i agree

not "simply" nietzschean, but still "largely" nietzschean.
but here's the 100.000$ question:
can you name another worldview that is more nietzschean than the national and socialist one?

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>>19455043
Literally Ayn Rand is more Nietzschean than Nazis. She doesn't give a flying fuck about poor or oppressed people and just advocates everyone strive for their own power. (I'm not saying Rand is a good Nietzschean before I'm attacked for this)

>>19455043
>can you name another worldview that is more nietzschean than the national and socialist one?
Literally and irrefutably lolbertarianism.

>>19455008
Based and romancepilled

>>19455043
>can you name another worldview that is more nietzschean than the national and socialist one?
the whole point of Nietzscheanism is to be a free spirit. sounds like you are too caught up in the ideological aspect, which Nietzsche says to avoid like the plague

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>>19455075
Libertarianism is largely materialist, not to say nihilist. it lacks any notion of a Morality of Breeding or of a racial state.

doesn't seem nietzschean at all.
the pursuit of power isn't equal to "Will to Power"

>>19455094
National Socialism isn't an "ideology".
it's a "Weltanschauung".

>>19455105
It's not like Nietzsche is very specific about this new morality, but Rand is at least almost totally bereft of slave morality(slight remnant in her talking about le government), and pretty much every 20th century political ideology is disqualified simply on grounds of being extremely slave moralist.

>>19455105
>Libertarianism is largely materialist
No, it is whatever you want it to be, in peace from others. That most who call themselves libertarian are materialist does not matter, the entire point is the freedom not to be as well.

>>19455108
Those words are close to synonyms. What difference do you find between the two?

>>19455043
votomsism

>>19455108
As anons said earlier, let me know when you come to the realization that National Socialism has little to do with Nietzsche beyond the shared similar concept of a master race. Even on that topic, Hitler is too Darwinian, which Nietzsche distances himself from.

>Other learned cattle have suspected me of Darwinism

>TO THE DARWINIANS
A fool this honest Britisher
Was not ... But a Philosopher!
As that you really rate him?
Set Darwin up by Goethe's side?
But majesty you thus deride—
Genii majestatem!


Go read Ecce Homo ffs

>>19455125
kys /a/ tourist

>>19455125
very funny

>>19452659
>Is Judaism merely an influential example of 'priestly morality', or is it the progenitor of 'priestly morality'?
If the god is mammon and genocide...

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>>19455105
picrel is the ultimate Nietzschean worldview
>Master morality
>Hierarchical command and obey structure, yet individualistic
>Will to power is for respect and honor, not materialistic goals
>"Man must become more evil"
>A belief in good breeding (you aint getting in unless your eye-talian)
shall I go on?
did I mentioned that it's also /trad/?

>>19455169
Yeah this has occurred to me too kek. Although small time mafia guys are probably not as an example as Jeffrey Epstein or whoever

>>19455169
lel they are also anti-state, you may be onto something

> be Nietzsche
> have no actual solutions for anyone

>>19452355
Best Nietzsche thread in a long time

>>19455043
Everything that isn't socialism, you dumb faggot.

>>19455131
>let me know when you come to the realization that
this particular variant of self-important arrogance has a distinct neo-marxist flavour

>>19455253
>neo-marxist
????
Are you OP? You're the anon who is pushing socialist talking points and somehow mixing them up with Nietzsche.

>>19455236
>Morality of Breeding
>Racial State
>not inherently "national" and "socialist"
k

>>19452652
Aside from his unoriginal ramblings on technology, everything Ted says is retarded. He is only useful as an introduction to the anti-technology movement.

>>19455225
>solutions
what the fuck does this even mean nigga

>>19455288
I assume a 'final' one

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>>19455060
Give me a fucking break. Rand is a phlostine stinerite and Nietzsche has nothing to do with any of it. Read about pre-enlightenment Ancient Greece and see what would be closest to what Nietzsche saw as ideal, read about Theognis for example.

>>19455314
I said she was not a good Nietzschean(literally to forestall this exact reply) but that she was the one of the only in the 20th century to actually let go of slave morality to any signficant extent.

>>19455043
>can you name another worldview that is more nietzschean than the national and socialist one?
Easy enough, that of the Renaissance era.

>>19455326
>she was the one of the only in the 20th century
Holy fucking shit, leave this board.

>>19455334
Not an argument

>Nietzsche
Retroactively refuted by Guénon
Seethe more, hylic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOvpLUoYxw

>>19455347
What argument you want me to show to you when you just throw a name and affirm whatever dumb shit you want ignoring everything that constitutes Nietzsche’s thought? You fall for a brutish, crude understanding of Nietzsche that as I said is just a philistine stinerism. Bataille and Deleuze. Two names from the 20th century that were much more nietzschean than Rand. And I don’t even like both of them.

>>19455386
Neither of them produced anything like a popular movement, but go ahead and explain why you think they are more Nietzschean with respect to slave morality especially since that was my point.

>>19455393
and how exactly is a "popular movement" Nietzschean again?

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>>19455410
It's not. Anyway would you like to explain your thoughts?

>>19455393
>Neither of them produced anything like a popular movement,
What? Do you know what you are even talking about? Are you saying Rand is something, and worse, a nietzschean, because she produced a popular movement?

>>19455418
>try desperately to reconcile "le based philosopher who is just like me" with nazi leanings

> read Nietzsche
> read about how Christianity is bad and the ubermensch is an ideal
> realize his ubermensch already existed and they were the deeply pious crusading nobility of the Middle Ages

>>19455422
No I was saying objectivism is a worldview that a decent number of people have, which is why I offered it as an example to the anon in the first place
>>19455428
You dont read very carefully do you lol? My first post, which you quoted, was stating Nazism is not Nietzschean and I thought that even Objectivism was more so, but only because most political movements in the 20th century are so far from being Nietzschean.

Anyway did you want to explain what you meant about Bataille and Deleuze? It doesnt have to be for my edification. It can just be your contribution to the Nietzsche thread

>>19455446
>You dont read very carefully do you lol?
sorry I thought you were OP, and no I don't

don't bother bringing up Bataille and Deleuze with the OP, he is unfamiliar with them

>>19455446
>objectivism worldview that a decent number of people have
Then that’s it. I proved to you with your own words. Rand is the opposite of Nietzsche, which despises mere quantitative measures and is against the masses.

>>19455442
The problem is that the Knights Templar was the only time in human history Christianity was based. It wasn't before and it hasn't been since. Also most protestants and modern Catholics consider the crusaders to be satan worshippers, heretics, or just plain evil.

>>19455457
I dont think objectivism is Nietzschean because of its popularity, I said it was more Nietzschean than Nazism because it mostly rejects slave morality. Its popularity was why I used it as an example, rather than some obscure figure who might be very Nietzschean

>>19455442
based af

>Be Nietzsche
>be too physically weak and sickly for joining military
>see soldiers on horsies
>”woah dude war is awesome”
>spend your life writing the equivalent of marvel comics in a philosophy jerking off to “heroism” that he could never partake in.
What did I miss?

>>19455446
>because most political movements in the 20th century are so far from being Nietzschean
I agree that Nazism is not very nietzschean either, but there can be still even more proximity with him than Rand. You’re not familiar at all with Deleuze and Bataille, or the french nietzscheans in genera, this is clear, that’s why you don’t even know what the Acephale is (and even I think this movement a bit cringe). Anyway try reading Deleuze’s and Bataille’s book on Nietzsche to understand a bit what Nietzsche thought (not that they got Nietzsche 100%, but that for someone who thinks Rand is anything close to Nietzsche, then you should read really).

>>19455475
Would you like to defend your statement that they are closer by making an argument for it? In fully willing to accept they are, I never stated they weren't or even implied so.

>>19455466
>I said it was more nietzschean
Exactly, except it has nothing of nietzschean. Holy fuck! Nietzsche is not for rampant solipsism you retard. I’m telling you how crass your understanding of Nietzsche is, you think that a strong will to power are instatiated in brutes who think force is everything, you think Nietzsche is le might makes right. Why do you think I gave as an example the Ancient Greece? Do you know anything about it? Of course you don’t! Nietzsche is not against the Other, not even against the enemy. He needs it because he understands the nature of reality as struggle, war, and this is what Greek culture revolved around: the agon. Popularity is despised (both in Niet and Greece). Anyway, what a waste.

>>19455526
Nietzsche despised slave morality, so I concluded that Objectivism was more Nietzschean than Nazism on the basis that it much more firmly rejects slave morality. What is your issue with this

>>19455124
>muh freedumbs
what alternative does Libertardianism offer to the problematic of the "Last Man" and the advent of nihilism? none.
therefore it isn't nietzschean

>What difference do you find between the two?
a 'Weltanschauung', unlike an ideology, permeates every aspect of existence.

"I know my lot. ONE DAY MY NAME WILL BE CONNECTED WITH THE MEMORY OF SOMETHING TREMENDOUS, -- a crisis such as the earth has never seen, the deepest collision of conscience, a decision made against everything that has been believed, demanded, held sacred so far. I am not a human being, I am dynamite. -- And yet I am not remotely the religion-founding type -- religions are the business of the rabble, I need to wash my hands after coming into contact with religious people... I do not want any 'true believers', I think I am too malicious to believe in myself, I never speak to the masses... I have a real fear that someday people will consider me holy: you will guess why I am publishing this book beforehand; it is supposed to stop any nonsense as far as I am concerned... I do not want to be a saint, I would rather be a buffoon... Perhaps I am a buffoon... And yet in spite of this or rather not in spite of this -- because nothing to date has been more hypocritical than saints -- the truth speaks from out of me.-- But MY TRUTH IS TERRIBLE: BECAUSE LIES HAVE BEEN CALLED TRUTHS SO FAR.-- Revaluation of all values: that is my formula for an act of humanity's highest self-examination, an act that has become flesh and genius in me. My lot would have it that I am the first decent human being, that I know myself to be opposing the hypocrisy of millennia... I was the first to discover the truth because I was the first to see -- to smell -- lies for what they are... My genius is in my nostrils... I contradict as nobody has ever contradicted before, and yet in spite of this I am the opposite of a nay-saying spirit. I am a bearer of glad tidings as no one ever was before; I am acquainted with incredibly elevated tasks, where even the concept of these tasks has been lacking so far: all hope had disappeared until I came along. And yet I am necessarily a man of disaster as well. Because when truth comes into conflict with the lies of millennia there will be tremors, a ripple of earthquakes, an upheaval of mountains and valleys such as no one has ever imagined. THE CONCEP OF POLITICS WILL HAVE THEN MERGED ENTIRELY INTO A WAR OF SPIRITS, all power structures from the old society will have exploded-- they are all based on lies: there will be wars such as the earth has never seen. STARTING WITH ME, THE EARTH WILL KNOW GREAT POLITICS"

>>19455526
>because he understands the nature of reality as struggle, war
This is also a tenet of objectivism, it accepts some lose and some win in this struggle, rather than trying to uplift those that lose

Might be the worst Nietzsche thread I've seen in a while. This Nazi is so delusional.

Nietzche dislikes anti-semites not because he likes jews but because he thinks that state of mind is crap tier. You guys are all morons.

Nietzche also says jews are the closest group to the overman. In this case he is also not being literal. He is simply talking shit at others for not taking such a will to power approach. He is asking his kind to be strong by venerating the OBVIOUS enemy.

>>19455526
>thinking Nietzsche is le might makes right
sounds like nihilism

>>19452714
>be wrong (you)

>>19455575
GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE!

Nietzche making pro-kike posts is the same as /pol/tards making BBC threads you morons, its meant to agitate the desired audience

>>19455587
>be you
>frantically google scholars who disagree without engaging with the actual Nietzsche quote
>find Losurdo
>overlook he is a literal Stalin-revisionist commie
>copy his non-argument
>feel smug

>>19455474
>What did I miss?
That he fought in the Franco-Prussian war

>>19455649
hahahahahaha alright you got me

>>19455649
try picking better cherries next time
some anons in here have actually read Nietzsche

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>>19455442
>ubermensch
>pious
kek

>>19455699
Nietzsche says in one of his books how the pious christian is actually based af and his gripe is with christian moralists. probably genealogy of morality.

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Slave morality is not egoism (the eternal return is even a fragmentation of the Self, Nietzsche is against any fixed idea of an ''I''). Because what is heroic, what is noble in man is not the product of an egoic archetype, but of Nature itself. See what you are typing ''Objectivism'', Rand, ethical egoism, ''the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute''. Anti-Nietzschean.

>What is your issue with this
My issue is that you don't know what slave morality is and that is why you think a slave revolting against his master is an act of master morality on the part of the slave.

>I have found strength where one does not look for it: in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak (in the end, they still become the slaves of their followers, their fame, etc.) The powerful natures dominate, it is a necessity, they need not lift one finger. Even if, during their lifetime, they bury themselves in a garden house!

I strongly advise you to read Nietzsche.

>>19455703
no doubt referring to their will to power and not their piety. the ubermensch isn't pious.

>>19455712
nope you're wrong.
he specifically says PIOUS CHRISTIANS
not going to hunt down the quote for you though so you can pretend like I never told you this

>>19455719
The joke for N is of course that none of them actually are and have failed to live up to Christ's admonishment against ressentiment. His definition of piety would be vastly different from yours.

>>19455719
piety for the crusader was an expression of the will to power, it's not about piety for him.

>>19455710
>Whom do I hate most heartily among the rabbles of today? The rabble of Socialists, the apostles to the Chandala, who undermine the workingman’s instincts, his pleasure, his feeling of contentment with his petty existence – who make him envious and teach him revenge… Wrong never lies in unequal rights; it lies in the assertion of “equal” rights… What is bad? But I have already answered: all that proceeds from weakness, from envy, from revenge. The anarchist and the Christian have the same ancestry

Seems to me this mindset is much closer to that of the feudal lord or capitalist magnate than to a nazi, Democrat, or socialist

>he thinks he's arguing with Dago
what a moron this guy is

the sopranos post wasn't even for (You) faggot. I wanted the others in the thread to scrutinize my theory. And they actually agreed.

The mafia is more Nietzschepilled than Nazism.

>every Guenonposter is Dago
fucking newfag /pol/tard stay in your containment thread on your containment board

kek, seething this hard

>>19452714
>that much projection in just one post

>>19455754
am I the one who woke up seething so hard after getting refuted last night that I made a Nietzsche thread and tried to brute force samefag his way into convincing /lit/ that Nazism was Nietzschepilled???

this was just your sparring session with normie /lit/izens. when you step into Thunderdome later tonight on Kraut/pol/ (approximately 90 min from now), i'll tear you a new one, AGAIN

Nietzsche lacht Bernd von der Gruft aus

>>19455674
>ignore his explicit, repeated and vehement devaluations of antisemitism
>ignore his pure hatred of german Volksgeist
>ignore his pure hated of Volkgeist full stop
>ignore his vehement hatred of collectivism and herd mentality of all kinds
>think his aristocratic ideals are in any way compatible with a nazi Arbeiter ideal
>think his Umwertung aller Werter means the most basic bitch rejection of Entartete Kunst
>thinks Hitlerian Wagner worship is in any way, shape or form compatible with Nietzschean thought
>fails to engage with any of the passages directly quoted
>"some anons in here have actually read Nietzsche"
Yes, some of us have, you absolute mongrel of a mouthbreather.

>>19455765
What are you guys even talking about?

>>19455776
I mean Nietzsche himself worshipped Wagner for a while and the later stuff he said about him sounds kind of like butthurt

>>19455788
he has a meltdown over not getting any replies

>>19455788
It's two tripfags from /pol/, or Kraut/pol/ specifically. One is a Kraut (Bernd) and one is an Italian-American (Dago). Last night, Dago refuted Bernd so hard on the topic of Nietzsche, that Bernd came to /lit/ today to bake a thread and samefag his way into appearing to win an argument.

Long story short, Bernd thinks Nazism is the ultimate political expression of Nietzscheanism, and Dago does not think so.

Scroll through this:
>>>/pol/349161850

Go lurk on Kraut/pol/ in the next hour or two and Round 2 will begin

>>19455764
>"you are projecting!" the /pol/nigger typed hastily, meticulously going through his curated folder of frogs in order to find one that would most adequately convey a sense of triumph, would most adequately hide the sinking feeling his heart had felt after having read those hurtful words. He settled on a frog he had often used before, forming an "L" for loser, with a mischievous smile on its face, the smile of a teenage boy up to no good. Happy with his choice, he looked at his post - "projection", it said, with a picture of a frog looking back at him, the hand of the frog in the shape of an L.

>>19455728
What does this have with anything I said in my previous post?
But let's see.

>capitalist magnate
A weak will to power with materialistic desires. A philistine par excellence.

>Democrat, Socialist
Yes, obviously.

>Nazi
Indeed, demagogic, and we can even say it is a movement fueled by resenement. But this resentment would be that of the Jews (and which Nietzsche thought had a positive side), that is, it would still be creative. This is why this is above the capitalist magnate, the capitalist magnate has nothing of purely creative, he only consumes and accumulates.

>19455352
>Guenon
pseud alert

>>19452581
>>19452636
>>19452777 (checked)
>>19454654
>>19454777 (also checked)
>>19454968
>>19455575
..it's for (You)

>>19452355
> Be Nietzche write about how great Jews are

>Incidentally, the whole problem of the Jews exists only within national states, inasmuch as their energy and higher intelligence, their capital of spirit and will, which accumulated from generation to generation in the long school of their suffering, must predominate to a degree that awakens envy and hatred; and so, in the literature of nearly all present-day nations (and, in fact, in proportion to their renewed nationalistic behavior), there is an increase in the literary misconduct that leads the Jews to the slaughterhouse, as scapegoats for every possible public and private misfortune. As soon as it is no longer a matter of preserving nations, but rather of producing the strongest possible mixed European race, the Jew becomes as useful and desirable an ingredient as any other national quantity. Every nation, every man has disagreeable, even dangerous characteristics; it is cruel to demand that the Jew should be an exception. Those characteristics may even be especially dangerous and frightful in him, and perhaps the youthful Jew of the stock exchange is the most repugnant invention of the whole human race. Nevertheless, I would like to know how much one must excuse in the overall accounting of a people which, not without guilt on all our parts, has had the most sorrowful history of all peoples, and to whom we owe the noblest human being (Christ), the purest philosopher (Spinoza), the mightiest book, and the most effective moral code in the world. Furthermore, in the darkest medieval times, when the Asiatic cloud had settled heavily over Europe, it was the Jewish freethinkers, scholars, and doctors, who, under the harshest personal pressure, held fast to the banner of enlightenment and intellectual independence, and defended Europe against Asia; we owe to their efforts not least, that a more natural, rational, and in any event unmythical explanation of the world could finally triumph again, and that the ring of culture which now links us to the enlightenment of Greco-Roman antiquity, remained unbroken. If Christianity did everything possible to orientalize the Occident, then Judaism helped substantially to occidentalize it again and again, which, in a certain sense, is to say that it made Europe's history and task into a continuation of the Greek.

>>19455816
>A weak will to power with materialistic desires.
Doesn't necessarily follow at all, it's just a form of economic domination, same as feudalism and they influence other spheres of power and culture as well.

>>19455810
>Dago fucking loses it

>>19455830
From Human, All Too Human

>loses it so hard he bakes a thread about it on /lit/
>g-g-guys don't you agree that Nazism was so Nietzschean and based?!?
>/lit/: "uhh wtf are you talking about? there's almost zero similarities besides something something about a master race"

Go back pseud

>>19455810
>an absolute shit-thread with the most uninformed shitbrained takes is the result of two pseudo e-celebs having a gay mud wrestling contest in the sty of pig-shit that is their minds in meeting
T I R E S O M E

>>19455848
Do you have an intelligent take to offer yourself

>>19455848
seething

>>19455834
>economic domination
lmao, just affirming what I said, literally. A society based on economic metrics is weak, slavish and PHILISTINE. Holy shit, you haven't read a single page of Nietzsche if you ignore Nobility all the time as you have been doing in all your posts.

>Feudalism
Here you are right, but not for the reason you think (obviously). Gai saber, troubadourism, Provençal tradition. This is what Nietzsche loved in feudal times.

You are just another retard who has never read him. And go on, keep moving the goalposts. It's much easier to just actually read Nietzsche, though I think in your case reading at all is the problem.

>>19455861
Yes, I am a Nietzschean, have just gone to bed, and hence, I would rather jerk off to Lou Salome lookalike dominatrix porn than have boring, dusty discussions with anemic nerds on the internet.

If you go to the women, make sure to bring a whip, cause you can't be sure she brought one herself.

>>19455868
Do you always get this upset about inconsequential internet arguments? A capitalist magnate can have as much or more nobility of spirit as any noble, they are both just enacting their vision on the world.

>>19455876
Jerking off to porn is very Nietzschean I'm sure, enjoy

>>19455878
The problem is that you ignored everything in the post that explains exactly this.

>I have found strength where one does not look for it: in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak (in the end, they still become the slaves of their followers, their fame, etc.) The powerful natures dominate, it is a necessity, they need not lift one finger. Even if, during their lifetime, they bury themselves in a garden house!

The ''can'' with the capitalist magnate already robs him of any nobility.

>>19455883
Nietzsche means I can do whatever I want, that's literally what master morality is

>>19455895
Why would it be impossible for a capitalist magnate to dominate cheerfully in the manner described?

>>19455902
t. postmodernist cancer

>>19455902
Nietzsche means you're the ubermensch's bitch for all eternity.

>>19455903
I already explained that more than once. Is this what it will be? Moving the goalposts and keeping asking questions relentlessly? You don't need me to learn about Nietzsche, you can read him yourself.

>>19455919
You did not explain at all, unless youre staying that only a simple peasant can be a Nietzschean, since you just keep posting that paragraph.

"At the centre of all these noble races we cannot fail to see the blond beast of prey, the magnificent blond beast avidly prowling round for spoil and victory; this hidden centre needs release from time to time, the beast must out again, must return to the wild: - Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings - in this requirement they are all alike. It was the noble races which left the concept of 'barbarian' in their traces wherever they went; even their highest culture betrays the fact that they were conscious of this and indeed proud of it.”

>>19455933
>blond beast
>Roman, Arabian, Japanese nobility
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>19455923
Well, from that conclusion of yours it is obvious you couldn't understand even a simple paragraph.

>>19455952
You could just state what you mean clearly, it wouldn't be hard. I suspect you realize your position is incoherent so you're just going to give up

>>19452355

Nietzsche wasn't an anti-semite. His sister modified his works to fit the nazi ideology. Nietzsche wasn't a nationalist either, he hated the german culture and saw is as decadent.

Please stop spreading stupid ideas around. I dislike jews but Nietzsche wasn't anti-semite.

>>19455957
Is this why I kept moving the goalposts in every post I made and kept asking you questions? That's what you did. I stated perfectly what I meant, I'll tell you to reread:
>>19455710
>>19455526

>>19455987
You cant seriously consider those rambling posts clear statements. Write "a capitalist magnate cannot be Nietzschean because they have x quality which conflicts with y quality necessary to be Nietzschean"

>>19455984
Thanks, Reddit

>>19455984
he spoke bad of jews in genealogy of morals which was published before he went into the care of his mother and sister

>>19455998

What reddit dumbass I don't even browse it. Why would Nietzsche hate the jews if he wasn't even a nationalist ?

>>19455999

"He spoke bad" is very ambiguous. I can speak bad about about anything without hating that thing.

>>19455997
>Write "a capitalist magnate cannot be Nietzschean because they have x quality which conflicts with y quality necessary to be Nietzschean"

You are genuinely retarded.

>>19455868
>>19455816

>>19456026
You really cant write that simple sentence?

>>19455999
>in genealogy of morals
and in "Human, All too Human"
and in "Anti-Christ"
and in "Twilight of the Idols"
and in "Thus spoke Zarathustra"

>>19456033
I can't because I already did in those posts, can you quote them and tell me what does not fit your demands?

>>19456088
The only thing that came close was you contention that a capitalist magnate is incapable of creativity(why?) Or that he was somehow innately egoic and opposed to nature(also why?) But you didnt actually clearly state either of those things, you just injected them in rants.

>>19455999
>>19456085
Anti-semitism is too crude a label for Nietzsche, even if he was harsh with Jews. Read his essay Homer's Contest, for example, where he takes interest in the Greek concept of agon. Nietzsche's view of the world / his philosophy of the will to power is Heraclitean in the sense that it is concerned with agonistic forces clashing with each other for all eternity and that this fundamental antagonism is essential to life. Anti-semitism is far too one-sided for such a philosophy.

>>19455474
>the holy grail
>only 4 in existence
>promotional
>gently used
please tell me this is real, my sides

>>19452714
No survivors

Nietzsche inspired tons of hardcore leftists, such as Freud (Jew, advocate of sexual perversion), Foucault (faggot and advocate of madness), Derrida (Jew), Benjamin (Jew), Deleuze (lgbt, advocate of madness, called everyone he didn't agree with "fascist"), Adorno (Jew, Holohoax propagator).

>>19456106
I explained one of these but I'll do it again.

>a capitalist magnate is incapable of creativity(why?) Or that he was somehow innately egoic and opposed to nature(also why?)
Insofar as he is a capitalist he is not creative (wow almost as if the marxist critique of capitalism had any fundament!), creation is expenditure, it is impulsive and opposite of any utility. Nietzsche gives the example of Melos and its etymological link with its involving force, he even says it has a magic of enchantment.
Do I need to say that Nietzsche despised rationalism and realists?

>>19456132
you mean they appropriated him

>>19456106
>>19456167
To add something: the capitalist pathos if it has any resemblance with the nietzschean, noble pathos is that it is a pathos, nothing more (but yes, you know that for Nietzsche, everything is pathos).

>>19456167
>Insofar as he is a capitalist he is not creative
But they very obviously do create, dont tell me you're a Marxoid. And he can create outside of this sphere as well, he can use his capital to achieve other creative goals

>>19456196
Ah sure for Nietzsche creation has anything to do with enterprises, hahahahahahaha.

>Marxoid!!!

The level is absolutely low. I refuse.

>>19456173

Judge a tree by its fruit.

>>19456196
>he can use his capital to achieve other creative goals
IF HE NEEDS CAPITAL INSTEAD OF HIS OWN NATURE IN ORDER TO CREATE HE IS NOT A NOBLE, NIETZSCHEAN, MASTER MORALIST AND IT WON'T BE WORTH SHIT YOU DUMB NIGGER. LITERALLY LEVAE THIS BOARD.

>>19456213
Youre still not explaining what about being one prevents creativity. Do you only talk to Marxists? I think hes worthless

Have you read a lot of his work? It's been a while since I probed his work but I distinctly remember him flippantly dismissing anti-semites the same way he does just about everybody else. If I remember correctly it was within the context of German Nationalism so it's possible he wasn't railing against anti-semitism itself but rather using it as a means of bolstering the German national identity

>>19456221
I see so only a penniless naked slave can br Nietzschean because everyone else is using something apart form their own nature right?

I will not leave kek, I will reply to every post you make

>>19456220
>Spengler
>Mussolini
>Hitler
been there, done that

>>19455912
Liber al
>Book of the law: Do as thou will

Why does antisemitism only seem to start and end in nazi Germany with /lit/? Jews(before they somehow became white) faced constant exodus 2000 years ago for seemingly no apparent reason

>>19455699
That’s the irony implied in the greentext, dummy.

>>19455464
I could see how you would think this if you knew very little about Christianity and European history.

>>19456220
Some his fruits hang upside-down

>>19456224
it's because you're absolutely right and he's absolutely seething and deflecting:
>Commerce and Nobility.—Buying and selling is now regarded as something ordinary, like the art of reading and writing; everyone is now trained to it even when he is not a tradesman, exercising himself daily in the art; precisely as formerly in the period of uncivilised humanity, everyone was a hunter and exercised himself day by day in the art of hunting. Hunting was then something common: but just as this finally became a privilege of the powerful and noble, and thereby lost the character of the commonplace and the ordinary—by ceasing to be necessary and by becoming an affair of fancy and luxury:—so it might become the same some day with buying and selling. Conditions of society are imaginable in which there will be no selling and buying, and in which the necessity for this art will become quite lost; perhaps it may then happen that individuals who are less subjected to the law of the prevailing condition of things will indulge in buying and selling as a luxury of sentiment. It is then only that commerce would acquire nobility, and the noble would then perhaps occupy themselves just as readily with commerce as they have done hitherto with war and politics: while on the other hand the valuation of politics might then have entirely altered. Already even politics ceases to be the business of a gentleman; and it is possible that one day it may be found to be so vulgar as to be brought, like all party literature and daily literature, under the rubric: "Prostitution of the intellect."

-Gay Science (part 31)

>19456294
S E E T H I N G

>>19456294
he got what he deserved for trying to run away
at least hitler killed himself honorably

>>19456303
Nietzsche would agree

>>19452355
>>recognize christian nationalists as the biggest tools of the zionist agenda
DAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>19456326

>>19456243
there is no irony

>>19455710
Dis nigga be reading dat lau tzu he be talkin bout dat wu wei nigga

>>19456132
yes and theyre all retards

>>19456332
Where does Nietzsche say he opposes 'the zionist agenda', /pol/schizo? He literally says European royalty should be more like jews and be more opportunistic. He didn't go to his sisters wedding because she married a known anti-zionist and anti-semite writer. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about.

>>19456407
>This is precisely why the Jews are the most disastrous people in world history: they have left such a falsified humanity in their wake that even today Christians can think of themselves as anti-Jewish without understanding that they are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism

>>19456336
Not for you there isn’t.

>>19456418
What does that have to do with a Jewish Homeland?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzschean_Zionism

>>19456407
>Must I add that, in the whole New Testament, there appears but a solitary figure worthy of honour? Pilate, the Roman viceroy. To regard a Jewish imbroglio seriously -- that was quite beyond him. One Jew more or less -- what did it matter? . . . The noble scorn of a Roman, before whom the word "truth" was shamelessly mishandled, enriched the New Testament with the only saying that has any value -- and that is at once its criticism and its destruction: "What is truth?"

u dead m8?

>>19456454
sorry?
did you expect me to click a wikipedia link on /lit/?

>[insert bible quote how God loves Israel the most here]
..member Zion Don and Golan Heights?

looks like OP is still seething 20 hours later

>>19452355
Dunno. But let me tell you. I fucking hate the kikes.

>>19454745
I'd fuck him

>>19456418
>he posts this quote again, thinking it still means what he thinks
It's not anti-semitic lmao. It's literally calling anti-semites- christian ones- dumb. He doesn't think Christianity or Judaism are some pure evil attack on muh Europe. He just thought they were bad systems of morality perpetuated by weak people.
Nietzsche hated german nationalists and said french culture was better, no quotes you spam can refute that lmao.

>>19456242
>seemingly no apparent reason
>happened 1,366 times

>>19456650
don't worry with OP, he's reached a point where he can only reply with /pol/ memes that have nothing to do with your posts.

he's been thoroughly refuted and can only play the "b-b-but you're a kike!" type replies.

In short: https://vocaroo.com/1k00OeMjgKTd

>>19456650
>One would as little choose “early Christians” for companions as Polish Jews: not that one need seek out an objection to them.... Neither has a pleasant smell.
still not tired of quoting him

>>19452396
T. Last Man

>>19456608
Don't click on it then, it's just how Nietzche's philosophy integrated with Zionism. Zionism is just the belief Jews should have a homeland where they can live free of persecution. America is the only one who votes in favor of settlements in Palestinian land. The rest of the world votes against it.

>>19452714
It's over for Nietzschefags

>>19456740
>repatriation of Jews
isn't it curious that that was what Hitler and the NSDAP intended in the first place? unless you believe the fairytale about 6 gorillion of them getting cremated in small pizza ovens over the span of 5 years during a continuous war effort on two fronts.

the problem was, they never even thought of leaving the banquette that was Germany.
but hey, nothing to see here, National Socialism was totally not nietzschean in any shape or form.
go on and live your life in blissful ignorance.

>>19452355
>faggots claim you hated anti-semites
>'all Anti-semites Ought to Be Shot'

OP what the fuck are you talking about?

>>19456665

>Nietzsche
>An antisemite
What? Take your pseud bullshit back to /pol/ faggot

>>19456888
That would make Hitler a Zionist, good for him against

>>19457012
good for him I guess*

>>19456439
not for nietzsche either

>>19457012
>GERMANY FOR GERMANS!
>"One should think the world would be thankful that we release these oh so marvelous "bearers of culture" and provide them to the rest.."
if you want to put it that way

but that's essentially missing the point

>>19457074
Yea worked out so well for Germany lol

>>19456665
I love when /pol/tards post shit like this. Do you not feel embarrassed for Europeans when you see this shit? 1,366 times? Did no one fucking learn after the 10th time? Or the 100th? It happened over A THOUSAND TIMES and kept happening, lmao. At this point, you might as well admit the obvious fact that Jews are superior, because they obviously mentally dominate native Europeans and can take advantage of them however they please, as many times as they wish.

And do you ever think about WHY Jews were ever expelled from any city? Could it be that whenever and wherever Jews show up, they soak up all the money, because they're way better at making money than everyone around them? Better at making money suggests they are more intelligent, harder working, and have a high compatibility with other cultures. It can't possibly be all exploitation because they're a migratory people, they move in to a place where they have no family ties to begin with, so in order for them to start making money, they MUST be intelligent, hard working, or very cooperative. All this number you posted really does is flatter Jews in the end, and make native Europeans look like a bunch of bitter losers.

>>19457095
worked out so well in fact that almost all nations of this world resented us for and envied us our prosperity and success

>>19457140
It really doesn't take much to get you guys to start calling yourselves the master race lel

>>19457158
Except I'm not Jewish. I was born in a mixed Lutheran/atheist household and I'm German, Scottish, Italian, and French.

>>19452714
boy im sure glad I wasted my life on /lit/ and not /pol/

>>19457163
Do you just think they're better than you then?

>>19457147
From military spending, lasted 10 years not a success.

>>19457172
I'm not the one posting those retarded numbers and going on about how Jews are exploiting everyone. Anyone who does that is subconsciously admitting that the Jews are superior to them. I think the Jews have their positives and negatives like everybody else.

>>19457163
DIOS MIO!

>>19452355
>>>/pol/

I could post over 10 quotes from Nietzsche of him being against anti-semitism. You have to go back.

>>19452714
Oh no. How will OP ever recover?

>>19456763
>Nietzschefags
Just say /pol/tards, that's who we're talking about here.

>>19457305
>/pol/tards
Even worse, it's a Kraut.

>>19457140
I am not going to read all of that cringe.

>>19452623
>>19452777
>>19454572
>>19454743
>>19455541
>>19455933
>>19456418
>>19456456
>>19456706

>>19457248

>>19455876
>I would rather jerk off to Lou Salome lookalike dominatrix porn t
Care to provide the name.
>>19455902
>what master morality is
No. The concept of Master-Slave morality was an attempt at codifying ethical values across cultures in history. Being a Master, in Nietzsche's opinion, was better than a slave, but he also has made very clear that there can be a third alternative.
>>19455984
>>19457248
>>19457305
>Nietzsche wasn't an anti-semite.
He wasn't a racial antisemite, but some opinions that he had could be considered xenophobics.
>His sister modified his works to fit the nazi ideology.
Only the racial ones. The concept of everlasting struggle, Master-Slave dichotomy, Authoritarian Philosopher king and Amor fati are Nietszche'ideas
>>19455984
>Nietzsche wasn't a nationalist either
>>19455984
Correct, He found Chauvinism and Jingoism stupid behaviours.
>>19455984
>he hated the german culture
At his time, He did appreciate their old poets and composers albeit he considered the French and Italian culture more mature than his own.
>>19457012
>Hitler a Zionist
"If you define Zionism as a Jew Nationalist that only has an interest in the preservation of his State and has no interest in subverting a foreign culture for his own profit", Yes, he was a Zionist.
>>19457309
>Even worse, it's a Kraut.
So? He would have far more credibility in speaking of philosophies and opinions written in his language.

>>19457472
>So?
Nietzsche hated Germans and Germany
If anything his credibility goes wayyyyyyyyyy down

OP is a total pseud anyway

>>19457472
>Nietszche
For fuck sake, Can he all agree that spelling his name is more arduous and difficult than making sense of his philosophy?
At least I get right one time.

>>19457481
>pic
he was just coping with being german

>>19457481
>Nietzsche hated Germans and Germany
Of his own time.
>In the history of European culture the rise of the "Reich" means one thing above all: a displacement of the center of gravity. It is already known everywhere: in what matters most--and that always remains culture--the Germans are no longer worthy of consideration. One asks:
Can you point to even a single spirit who counts from a European point of view, as your Goethe, your Hegel, your Heinrich Heine, your Schopenhauer counted?
http://la.utexas.edu/users/hcleaver/330T/350kPEENietzscheGermansLacktable.pdf
And the first quote is about Bismarck's state.
And if you cared about his thoughts and not only about twisting them to suit your own personal biases, You would be aware of it.

>>19457514
>Of his own time.
imagine trying to get rid of semitic Slave Morality.
imagine having to explain this to retards who worship a kike on a stick and claim to be "anti-semites"

>>19457548
His problem was with German slave morality

>DUUUUUUDEEEEE NIETZSCHE HATED JEWS BRO!!!
>HE WAS AN ANTISEMITE JUST LIKE ME!!!!!
why are /pol/tards like this?

>>19457569
*germans adopting Slave Morality

>>19457594
but that's not the Germans' fault?
why are Krauts like this?

Guenon on Germans
https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=14521

>>19452355
>nietzsche hated anti-semites
he did, OP. you've never read nietzsche, and if you did you wouldn't understand it. also, nietzsche would have hated you.

>>19457631
OP is german
of course Nietzsche would've hated him

>generic Ad Hominem + unsubstantiated claim

>>19457548
His criticism was more about Prussian politics and alcohol than only Christianity.
>worship a kike on a stick
Nietzsche admired Christ, and he believed that most of the so-called Christians did not follow after Christ's teachings.
But you're correct on the hypocrisy of certain Antisemites in Germany at that time.
>>19457577
>>19457631
See.
>>19457472
>He wasn't a racial antisemite, but some opinions that he had could be considered xenophobic

>>19457625
Don't you get tired of trying to shill for an unremarkable dead schizo?

And Stirner's thesis on philosophy post-Plato in Europe i.e Christianity, Rationalism, Pessimism, and Idealism is far more logical than Guenon's rambling.

>>19457675
>Stirner
>more logical than Guenon
you've never read guenon, hylic

>muh hylics
pseud detected

>>19457689
Do a comparison, helicopter

>>19457708
still seething OP?
why are you proud of your thread being up for 24 hours when it's you getting refuted post after post?
Nietzsche not being a hater of anti-semites isn't a real position. You live in la-la land
>>19457720
how about you take your phoneposting, and stick it up your ass

>>19457675
>alcohol
beer gives you man boobs, news at 11
>Nietzsche admired Christ
he had his own "Positive Christianity" in that regard, as Alfred Rosenberg would say

>>19457742
he called Christ the noblest man to ever live

>>19457727
the projection is strong with this one

>>19457727
It’s an ereader
Not into anal even if it could fit, either.

>>19457720
>stinerite cancer

>>19457753
>seethe so hard he makes a thread
you got BTFO'd with a single post here >>19452714

i'm laughing
ur seething
>>19457755
you can browse the web on those things?
you actually post from there?

>>19457748
In the Antichrist, Nietzsche psychoanalyses the risen Christ and considers him to be a psychological-ill aberrant, manifesting a compulsion from extreme pain aversion.

Nietzsche called the followers of Jesus Christ slaves. The wretch never met another man he considered nobler than himself.

>>19457775
>psychoanalyses
into the trash it goes

>>19457759
And you haven’t read Stirner

>>19457783
t.

opinion discarded for being a communist spook

>>19457689
Yes, I've
His thesis is that since/with Plato, Philosophers have sought a way of providing meaning to the world, to seek an absolute truth that may provide sense and order.
The Church has done it with Stoicism, The Philosophers of the Enlightenment have attempted to do it with Rationalism, which is totally divergent from Empiricism, The Romanticists with Nostalgia, and Kant had provided his critique of pure and practical reason and started two branches in Germany; The Hegelian and the Schopenhauerian one, The former had attempted to replaced Faith with Idealism and has used Jargon to provide credibility to its thought.
From Goethe's conversations;
>The discourse then turned upon the nature of dialectics. “They are, in fact,” said Hegel, “nothing more than the regulated, methodically-cultivated spirit of contradiction which is innate in all men, and which shows itself great as a talent in the distinction between the true and the false.”
>“Let us only hope,” interposed Goethe, “that these intellectual arts and dexterities are not frequently misused, and employed to make the false true, and the true false.”
>“That certainly happens,” returned Hegel; “but only with people who are mentally diseased.”
>“I, therefore, congratulate myself,” said Goethe, “upon the study of nature, which preserves me from such a disease. For here we have to deal with the infinitely and eternally true, which throws off as incapable everyone who does not proceed purely and honestly with the treatment and observation of his subject. I am also certain that many a dialectic disease would find a wholesome remedy in the study of nature.”
We were still discussing in the most cheerful manner, when Zelter arose and went out, without saying a word. We knew that it grieved him to take leave of Goethe and that he chose this delicate expedient for avoiding a painful moment.

Schopenhauer had acknowledged the lack of absolute truth and felt in Pessimism, Nietzsche was Schopenhauer's disciple before he raised against his tutor and made his principle of fighting against Nihilism and its consequences in society, almost 50 years late than Stirner did, One the reasons that claiming that Stirner had been plagiarised by Nietzsche was such popular thing in the 1900s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_Friedrich_Nietzsche_and_Max_Stirner#Rudolf_Steiner

But unlike Stirner, Nietzsche did worried about the consequences that the Death of God may present to Art and our Species, and has laboured in trying to provide an answer to Nihilism.

>>19457842
You've done him

>>19457838
In the 20th Century, Some politicians, inspired by Nietzsche's philosophy, had attempted to provide their own answers.

Mussolini did with the concept of the State and Hitler with the Racial Nation.
>The National Socialist movement is a movement of faith in the deepest sense of the word. The strength of its faith brought it from humble beginnings to the dominant force in the Reich. There was good reason to name the first party rally after the takeover of power the “victory of faith.” Behind every flag, every badge, every symbol of the movement is the faith of him who bears it, who first had to bear the flag, the badge or the symbol through historic struggle to victory. In this holy worldview, which anchors the flags, badges and symbols in the depths of the soul and in their connection to the experience of battle, is the best guarantee for the worldview force and existence of the movement.

>To summarize: the National Socialist idea is today binding for German life because it proved itself the strongest in the battle of worldviews. It has become the faith of a new Reich. It finds its justification in the strength with which it takes the things of Germany in its hands, and in its achievements and deeds that it presents as visible signs of its creativity, and which it will leave as an inheritance to the future.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/schul01.htm

>The Führer once said: “If you take an idol from people, you must replace it with a true god.” Our god is the wonderful law of creation, whose amazing unity of all things shows itself in wonderful flowers, in growing trees, in new born children, in the secrets of a mother, in the growth of our people, in work and accomplishment and creation, in life itself.
>We have become a people that believes in god. This is what our idea of life and of affirming life has accomplished, becoming the idea of Germany. We will be able to do everything if that grows from its small beginning into a religion, to something holy to the German people. It will not be a false religious mysticism, but rather it will be frank, honorable, military, manly, disciplined and tough.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/ley3.htm

Basically, Most of the events in the West was a cope and an attempt to "create a God" against our meaningless universe.

>>19457848
>>19457838
>Basically, Most of the events in the West was a cope and an attempt to "create a God" against our meaningless universe.
jesus christ dude, I can smell the stench of Protestantism through my screen

>I've read Guenon
clearly you haven't

>>19457860
>I can smell the stench of Protestantism through my screen
Stirner was raised Catholic, Try harder, tradcore.

>>19457870
>attempt to "create a God"
these are the words of a protestant hylic
That's (You)

>>19452355
he strikes me as pretty much the philosophical embodiment of the Joker, is that right?

>>19457877
kek
trying to hard, pseud

>>19457889
sorta kinda

>>19457828
>The cowardly slur meme.
>heh. I win again

The other day (I think the thread is still up) I was picked at for not being orthodox Nietzsche/Stirner. Now you try to debase anyone for even reading him. Pathetic.

>>19457140
>usury is illegal for christians, legal for jews
>to a jew mind this means they have more merit and are smarter than christians
not really. you worship mammon. enjoy your earthly materialism i guess?

>>19457893
Dr. Pseud, your view of G-d is pure cringe
G-d is one, G-d is absolute
There can be no other way

'muh create a God" is new age drivel

>>19457877
>of a protestant hylic
More of an Atheist.
And you haven't denied the thesis of the argument or even the sources of each historical figure specifically claiming their desire to deal with the Death of God.
>A worldview is not a subjective standpoint, a personal opinion of what is true, but rather a force that shapes an era, a firm will, “a view that binds together all deep aspects of life” (as Rosenberg said at the culture rally of the Reich Party Rally of Honor [1936]). Germany had fallen into worldview chaos, from which followed political, economic, cultural, and moral decay, since a standard of measurement failed that would have enabled a valid judgment about the value or lack of value of a particular phenomenon. Every viewpoint had its proponents, but none was taken to heart, none was taken seriously. Each group, each opinion had its own standards, which destroyed the binding power and moral strength of any genuine worldview. The dying liberal-democratic system had opinions that were changeable, relative, and not binding, but it did not have an absolute worldview in which people could put their faith. It had a panopticum, but no picture of the world. It collected every possible opinion, standpoint, and value from every time and people, rather like exhibits in a museum, but had no dominant standpoint, no real values. The result was chaos, sterility, and relativism. The most wretched viewpoint could take center stage because sure faith was lacking, from which alone comes strength of judgment. The era had lost a central worldview, and thus the measure of character, of style. The chaos of worldviews resulted in chaos in science, education, and all other areas of life. People staggered before the abyss, unsteady, irresolute.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/schul01.htm
>clearly you haven't
Yes, I did, But the point that I wish to make is that Guenon's thesis on German idealism is ignorant to its core.
The branches of German philosophy, be it the one started by Hegel, or Schopenhauer, was always about dealing with the lack of universal order, Same applies to Nietzsche and Hitler.

>That is a teaching that affirms life. It is the idea of race, blood, and soil, the idea of this life and the beauties of the earth, Mother Earth, that is our fatherland. The world makes sense, nothing is arbitrary. >Everything has its meaning, and is related to other things. Everything goes according to plan, each star is in its place, each man has his place, each people has its tasks. We will overcome the doctrines of our enemies. The Jews must know that. We also know both the material and ideological means. Our prayers are better than the biblical prayers

>>>>>The world makes sense, nothing is arbitrary. Everything has its meaning, and is related to other things. Everything goes according to plan, each star is in its place, each man has his place, each people has its tasks.


Germans can't cope with a world without rules.

>>19457900
don't worry too much about him, he has never read Stirner. when he gets refuted and can't respond corehently, he replies with memes and/or with a stupid reply. you're talking to a real pseud here

>>19457908
the Death of God is a protestant phenomenon. In Guenonian terms, Nietzsche is simply trying to cope with the fact they have severed all TRADITION. God is still very much alive in Catholic circles.

the whole Nietzschean: "did god create man or did man create god" stuff is total cringe. Nietzsche was a based earthly philosopher and critic but he totally discarded metaphysics.

anyways, I don't even know what we're debating anymore, just adding insight here from a Catholic POV

>>19457900
i do not step bach shyly from your gif..

>>19452355
"Nietzsche was not an anti-anti-semite"
This has got to be bait

>>19452355
You have never read him OP, it's so obvious

>>19457926
>Nietzsche is simply trying to cope with the fact they have severed all TRADITION.
No, He's coping with the fact that an absolute judge that may provide a clear definition of ethics doesn't exist, and Science/ Empiricism cannot replace it.

The same argument took place in Ancient Greece, Where the Chorus starts singing that if they can't find Absolute Justice from their god/ Zeus, where are their gonna find it? You can easily find it in Aeschylus's Oresteia (Or was it Prometheus? I can't remember, oh well, I will search and post it later).
So your argument that Nietzsche's concept of God is an expression of Lutheranism doesn't work, Guenon was a French chauvinist attempting to rally against German influence in the French Academy, In a period where both of those Nations had engaged themselves in a bloody war, and the best way of doing it is to create a sense of "Us" against "Them", Catholics against Lutherans, even if the German south is filled with the latter.
>the whole Nietzschean: "did god create man or did man create god"
Disregarding your attempt of isolating a debate that can be found across various cultures to a single man, Nietzsche's thesis, as I've elaborated before, Is about the lack of an absolute judge and the consequences of it.
>but he totally discarded metaphysics.
For fuck sake, There's no point in entering a philosophical debate if we don't define what is philosophy.
Some are seeking the Truth or just self-help, others are after a set of Ethics, and a few nutjobs; a bunch of esoteric nonsense.
And each side will try to claim to be the winner by showing how the opposing thesis doesn't fit in their personal criteria.
The Concept of Nihilism is a true social behaviour that can be found in certain cultures that have progressed to a certain civilizational stage
"Metaphysics" may provide solace to a few individuals with lower standards, but it isn't an objective answer.
>>19457926
>anyways, I don't even know what we're debating anymore, just adding insight here from a Catholic POV
The thread is about the relation between Nietzsche's philosophy and National Socialism.
My reply to your post was about Guenon's thesis on German philosophy and their psyche.
Also, Are you by any chance French?
.

>>19458020
good one

>>19458048
we're at bump limit so please keep your replies much shorter, onegaishimasu.
>No, it has nothing to do with tradition.
Yes, he just doesn't know it. His connection with the divine was severed (he was raised Lutheran)
Many northwestern european people have tried to replace /trad/ition with science/empiricism, but Neechee was smart enough to see through it and recognized that setting the goal of the ubermensch was the better alternative.
This is still compatible with /trad/itionalism btw
>Greeks
I'm a pseud when it comes to the Greeks desu, that's my Neechee weak spot (but don't tell OP). Havent read any of them except via Nietzsche and a couple books on Diogenes.
>Us vs Them
Yes. It's always been /trad/itionalists vs counter-/trad/itionalists. Protestantism is firmly in the latter's camp.
>The thread is about the relation between Nietzsche's philosophy and National Socialism.
right, let's get back on topic then
There are definitely Nietzschean elements within it, no question about it. However, as a Hitler autist, I know for a fact that the Nietzschean influence upon him didn't happen until the 1930s, far after the National Socialist doctrine was formed. Early NSDAP and Hitlerian ideology was far more of a Wagnerian + Eugenics + Marxist mix with hyper German Nationalism and antisemitism.
OP for someone reason thinks that Nietzsche was antisemitic and did not hate antisemites. This is categorically false.
OP keeps mentioned Genealogy/Antichrist, but those books talk about Judaism and its relation to moralism some 2-3k years ago.
Ecce Homo is the more authoritative book on Nietzsche's views and in it he clearly states his hatred towards anti-semites.

>Are you by chance French
hell no, picrel
>>19458020
kek, OP seething

>>19458164
>I know for a fact that the Nietzschean influence upon him didn't happen until the 1930s, far after the National Socialist doctrine was formed. Early NSDAP and Hitlerian ideology was far more of a Wagnerian + Eugenics + Marxist mix with hyper German Nationalism and antisemitism.
[citation needed]

>>19458181
Uttered straight from the mouth of Leon DeGrelle

>>19458187
[citation needed]

>>19458187
he ssaid that's what Hitler told him

it's in an interview somewhere, you can keep seething though

pseud

OP is a pseud

>somewhere there is an interview of DeGrelle's hearsay claiming that i'm right and OP is wrong
>dude, trust me
Hitler read Nietzsche during his Vienna years

>>19458224
hey pseud, I didn't say he read him in the 30s, I said that the Nietzschean influence upon him didn't hit him until the 30s

the DeGrelle interview will be too hard to track down in [Current Year]. I don't give a fuuuuck if you don't believe me, because I know DeGrelle said this and no amount of REEing will change that.


it was something like
>Hitler's main influence in the 1920s was Schopenhauer. Once he got in power, he said he became more Nietzschean


stay mad

>>19458239
if that was the case, how come he is paraphrasing Nietzsche's "the state is the coldest of all mosters" in "Mein Kampf"?

>>19458256
it's not like hitler invented the concept of the racial state
neither did nietzsche

even fucking wagner talked about the volkisch state.

>Degrelle's Hearsay
He said Hitler told this stuff himself

dude you're not on my level. you have to accept this fact first

this implies he had already read "Zarathustra", the crown jewel of Nietzsche's work

not even to talk about the utterly nietzschean terminology of "Entartung", "Arier", "Herrenrasse", "Untermensch", "Triumph des Willens", "Kraft durch Freude" etc. etc.

>Elsa trying to do that thing where xe declares xerself the winner at the end of the thread
>fails

>"Entartung", "Arier", "Herrenrasse", "Untermensch"
all racial eugenics terms
>"Will", etc
Schopenhauer

goddamnit you really don't know anything you're talking about

Hitler did not call any of Nietzsche's work "His Bible"
That was reserved for Madison Grant's book

>>19452355
>Recognize christian nationalists as the biggest tools of the zionist agenda
Where does he say this?

>he still can't refute this:
>>19454535

>b-but muh ooc AZquote :'c

>>19458357
you haven't read Ecce Homo
it's evidently clear

>>19458368
coincidentally 'Ecce Homo' was the very first book of Nietzsche i ever read
try harder

>>19458375
why are you dodging?
Sure, you are right, there is an antisemitic interpretation of Nietzsche's work.
But Nietzsche was not antisemitic and hated antisemites

>Nietzsche lacht Bernd von der Gruft aus

I'm one year older than you so i'll cut you some slack
I was in the same position this time last year

if you don't read Guenon the Evola in 2022 though, you're forever fucked.

eventually you will realize "wow I was a fucking idiot for believing my own lies", and recognize jewish greatness

>>19456132
look at all these leftist nietzscheans
find me a leftist Guenonian
pro tip: you can't

you fucked it up with the "jewish greatness" cringe, Elsa

just seeing if you were reading or not, mr. antisemite

>anti-semites who haven't read your works co-opt your message, meaning you are an anti-semite
This is your logic OP, the picture even proves it. Kys.

He cut off his relationship to his anti-semite sister after she married an avid anti-semite and wrote her angry letters about it, the idea he was anti-semitism is because national socialists retroactively used his ideals. Most of those came from "The Will to Power" (in fairness it validates which was posthumously edited and completed his sister, biggest bitch in the history of lit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_Zionism

There is not an iota of proof he was an anti-semite (wish he was desu)

>>19458164
>>19458164
>Yes, he just doesn't know it. His connection with the divine was severed (he was raised Lutheran)
>Many northwestern european people have tried to replace /trad/ition with science/empiricism, but Neechee was smart enough to see through it and recognized that setting the goal of the ubermensch was the better alternative.
That's Stirner's thesis, Just replace tradition with Meaning/Purpose, And on the Lutheran aspect for Stirner; Luther only replaced the Catholic perspective of Consecration, Things may be given holistic properties, with things being holy by themselves.
Read the ANCIENT, MODERN, BATS IN THE BELFRY, and THE HIERARCHY sectors. The UNIQUE sector may also help you understand Stirner's mindset.
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=5FC3E53741EF1781C553AB24CB4A7BEA
You should ignore all other translations.
>Marxist
No, There was Socialism and Collectivism but nothing related to Internationalism or Resentment.
>This is still compatible with /trad/itionalism btw
You sound like a alt-right larper trying to make everiting to his ideology

>>19458721
>make everiting
reduce everything.

>>19458721
I haven't read stirner
I just wanted to see how you would approach the question t b h
anyways, thanks for the link, I plan on reading him in early 2022 so I saved it

>two /pol/ samefaggots fight over who can samefag the best
>the thread
Truly great thread here
Nietzsche hasst Nazis und Juden

lots of butthurt, not many arguments

>>19459470
Nietzsche hasst Nazis.

>>19454117
Faggot cope

>>19454549
Neech was a crazy mofo, thus why he made many contradictory crap about religions, you fucking fag