/lit/ - Literature

>>19446687
bump

How would we even start history again? By provoking China and USA into a war? By staging a communist revolution in the USA?

>>19446705
China numba 1

>>19446705
The election of Trump was quite a history/culture-fertile period. But we won't get that in the future as the consolidation takes hold

>>19446711
Weirdly I don't disagree but it died quickly. I think sjw couldn't defend itself strongly and anti sjws had no real replacement.

I think most of us can admit to some morbid desire to see some real shit kick off in the world again just for the change of pace.

>>19446711
It still feels like an insignificant story, almost as meaningless as the stories you can read in last month's newspaper. In the end, Trump's presidency will have no tangible impact. It's not like he completely changed the course of world history like Hitler or Napoleon.

so this book is not a meme? might actually have to read it then

>>19446733
Of course, I'm just talking about people getting together, communities being made, art being made, emotions being had. It's all history in a way, real human culture. A swan song of it

How can we channel these base human desires for conflict and struggle into something that doesn't mean murdering and exploiting each other

>>19446687
>NOTHING EVER HAPPENS Anonymous
>Momentous changes happening in the past two years

>>19446741
>I'm just talking about people getting together, communities being made, art being made, emotions being had. It's all history in a way, real human culture.
You're right. It did at least feel like something was happening, compared to all the other dull years. But that's all gone now.

>>19446749
....What?

>>19446687
>China
>Islamism
>Global Warming
History is very much an active thing

>>19446749
>Things will have to change if we want things to stay as they are
Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa

the last 2 years be like

>>19446687
This is something felt at a personal level, I think, by a lot of us. I felt it in my childhood, in the sterile beige classrooms, I felt it getting my first job, watching a poorly made orientation video for Metro, I felt it many times. It's that nameless boredom, something the older generations don't seem to understand. But I stopped feeling it now, and it happened when I learnt the difference between thought following action, and action following thought. Perhaps also the difference between desire, and motivation. Where as before I would try and do things to engender a certain feeling, now I have a certain feeling and feel the need for action. Before I would do things, I would socialize, read, try and create (but I always left things half done), but it was all in order to feel something, to be satisfied somehow. But now I have an actual driving force, and I feel the need to exert myself upon the world, This exertion, this action takes the form of socializing, reading, learning, creating e.t.c.. Where before, I would complete some endevour (or just stop doing it), and I'd have to return to myself, and there was nothing there. Now I have a starting point, from which I go out,
I'm trying to explain this difference because it was incredibly important to me, it changed my life in a way I didn't know it could be changed. I really feel like a man on a mission now.

>>19446786
>China
doesnt exist
>Islamism
always existed
>Global warming
always existed.

>>19446786
Literally all memes. People have been crying about these for decades. And still nothing. If anything, I suspect people scream about China and Islam so much in the hopes of getting something to happen, because they realize nothing ever happens.

>>19446687
I can't think of a recent book that aged worse, saying that democracy is final form of government is as naive as saying there will be no more wars at beginning of 20th century

Fukuyama is a neo-liberal shill with no perception of history who got refuted by Patrick Deneen

>>19446820
>People have been crying about these for decades.
Well, things are moving now. China is on the verge of annexing Taiwan and launching a hypersonic strike on America. Islamism is spreading across Africa and seeping into Europe. And global warming is going to lead to the collapse of everything by 2050. I wish history was frozen for good, but it's moving.

>>19446847
The truth is that China already controls Taiwan, Islam has been in Europe for well over a thousand years, and the climate always changes. Nothing new.

>>19446687
>>19446807
Are you people living on a different planet? Do you really think nothing has happened since the 1980s? Your subjective feelings of boredom with your own lives don't mean anything regarding history. Imagine telling someone affected by the Syrian civil war that their experience is nothing.

>>19446867
This would be you if you were a Native American in 1500:
>Rulers come and go, as they always have. These white ones will be no different.

>>19446827
atheists spend 200 years spreading atheism and their republics, and now all the plebs want is more atheism and more republics.

>>19446880
In the grand scheme of things, no.
>>19446889
There was still history then.

>>19446880
Syria was is and will be an irrelevant country that was never, isnt, and won't ever be talked about except in the context of the bullshit war. Where barely 500,000 people died in 10 years

>>19446880
I was trying to refute this idea in my post aswell, my position being that of a bored first worlder, where there is nothing to react too, and so you have to learn to initiate and act yourself.

>>19446894
>In the grand scheme of things, no.
What counts as significant then? It seems you're basing this purely on your personal feelings.

>>19446897
Your comment just shows your historical illiteracy. Youot being aware of history doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Just in the 20th century Syria was important in the colonial division of the middle east, wars with Israel, as a player in the cold war and pan-arabism, intervention in Lebanon, and now the civil war which was a huge magnet of intervention by global and regional powers. I suppose the end of the Soviet Union was nothing as well, because of your subjective feelings about it.

>>19446958
>What counts as significant then? It seems you're basing this purely on your personal feelings.
Something that actually has a lasting impact. And yes, I am using my experienced judgement to gauge the significance of events.

Nigger, russia is going to invade the ukraine in like a few months, america and europoors are already writing sternly written letters telling them to stop it

>>19446687
>Isn't it funny how Fukuyama was so laughed at by the leftist (and rightist) crowd for the End of History
What do you mean? 'The End of History?' is one of the most widely cited papers in international relations and political science as a whole, and Fukuyama was held in high esteem as one of the few predictors to the fall of the USSR and a leading figure in liberal internationalism, which only started to fall out of favour from ~2001-2003. He was hardly 'so laughed at' and his more contemporary work (Political Order series) is generally well received. He is still taught in introductory International Relations courses to this day. He doesn't have the prestige he once had, but he isn't the academic outsider and figure of ridicule you paint him as either.
And, too many people when they raise this topic focus on the final conclusion of his thesis and ignore the (poor) philosophy he engages in to reach it. Reasons are as important as conclusions. But i doubt many who make these threads agree that the story of human society is the story of the struggle for recognition between masters and slaves, that all great political upheavals are fundamentally reflections this engine of history, and that liberal democracy+market capitalism is final cause of a grand political telos. And convincing supporting evidence for this very strong claim is that Liberalism overthrew monarchism, then Fascism was defeated in WWII, and Communism collapsed in the early 90s. But completely ignores just how contingent all these events were, the cases that don't follow his predictions, and all the possible causes for them other than his very specific pet psychological determination he advocates. It's bad philosophy, It's bad history, and it's bad political science. It's from these premises that his conclusion obtains, so if you're defending the conclusion of the end of history, you're defending all this too.
A week may be a long time in politics, but in terms of substantial societal change three decades is the blink of an eye. The paroxysm of the 20th Century was two in the making, the of the 18th arguably seven. Old Kingdom Egypt and Sumeria existed in a practical stasis for hundreds if not thousands of years. Society has a great deal of inertia, and even the seeds of change that may be occurring right now might not bloom for decades or even centuries more, and in hindsight this may be seen as a very eventful time. The view that little has happened in three decades is somehow exceptional in human history is myopic—If anything, that the 70 years preceding it were so eventful is what is exceptional.
>there decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen

>>19447077
Nice

the world turns very slowly, its hard to tell if you don't pay attention.

>>19446974
The civil war will affect Syria for the forseeable future. It's significant according to your criterion. Now you'll keep adding caveats like "no on a big scale", "no on a global scale", and the Syrian war has absolutely had a global impact, it's had intervention from the USA, Russia, gulf states, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel and affected the foreign policy of all those states.

>>19446687
>There are no subcultures
Transsexuals.

>>19446749
Everybody thought the pandemic would change everything and now that we're leaving it everything is going back to business as usual.

>>19447180
>Everybody thought the Black Death would change everything and now that we're leaving it everything is going back to business as usual

>>19446711
all it did was speed up the inevitable authoritarian liberal clampdown. 2020 saw the western political class give up on even the pretense of bourgeois democracy across the board. the irony is that they don't have a vision forward either, they can only think in terms of maintaining the present structure at all cost

This is by far the most interesting time in all of history. In the future people will write operas about Destiny Vs Sargon of Akkad debates, new epics will be composed about Donald Trump and Nick Fuentes.

>>19447272
>Destiny
>Sargon
>Trump
>Nick

The internet is truly liquid, isn't it. Except for maybe Trump those people were all the rage among internet gossipers long ago and now are all but irrelevant.

>>19446687
This "stasis" is noticeable in culture as well.
In decades past there were easily identifiable sub cultures: greaseheads, hippies, rockers, punks etc. Now I'm not heralding them as these bastions of culture without which history may not have functioned: at the end of the day they were just people who shared a hobby really, historically they were irrelevant. They didn't erect empires, they made no political changes (yes not even hippies as much as they want to convince themselves otherwise, it takes more than smoking blunts). But what I want to put the focus on is that it's a shame that there seems to be no more big identifiable sub cultures of the sort anymore, you know? No variety, no "distinguishability". These days culture is amorphous, overlapping, someone who is into X is into Y as well and Z and W and so forth. A grey amalgam.
Again, it's no big deal that there's no real definite sub cultures these days (or at least none that are particularly endearing or just "cool"), it's not the end of the world but at the same time it's just a shame that culture these days feels so... Drowsy? Trite? Ain't nothing new under the sun, people seem unable to be creative anymore, to wow people, to speak to them on an emotional level bar some exceptions I'm sure.
Culture is a reflection of the people of the time, so what does that say about the people of our time? It seems to me that we're living in a new conformist age: people en large aren't interested to be "rebellious", to be anti-establishment, they're the most obedient, passive populace in recent memory. Afraid to make a stance, to think for themselves. Corporations seem to play a bigger role than ever in shaping culture, and they play it safe, edge is verboten unless it's gratuitous violence which has become so accepted that has stopped being edgy.
Perhaps, the creative explosion of past decades was just an anomaly, so when we look at the modern state and do so with a sense of disappointment it's only because we've been spoiled.

>>19447330
there's a much bigger difference between the groyper and the tranny than the rocker and the punk, and they're both far more interesting and genuinely counter-culture than listening to le rock music and wearing leather pants

>>19446880
Syrian war is just backwaters asking themselfs if they should follow the Napoleonic Code.

>>19447349
For groyper and tranny to be counter-cultural you'd need an unified culture for them to be very visibly against. There is no such unified culture anymore. The only thing that's legit "counter-cultural" anymore is violence.

>>19447349
>tranny
What's so cool about being ashamed of being a male and wanting to chop your cock off? You can say that trannyism is counter-culture, but it is much in the same way of a cult. Cults by themselves are ultraconformist, and create environments where the identity of the individual is annihilated for the sake of the ideal proclaimed by the cult. It's a shitty environment to be in. And besides, trannies don't create anything worthwhile, whereas rockers and punks created music, some pretty fucking good too. Can trannies say the same? No. Same goes for groypers really, they are not creatives and that's the main point of my post, that the production of art (graphic, literary, musical etc.) appears to be more limited nowadays and is rarely if ever groundbreaking or "edgy". Much of it evokes indifference, they aren't bad most of the time but they aren't memorable either, they just exist. Rockers and punks have cemented themselves in cultural history through the production of art which is still appreciated to this day. The right-left squabble of these days is creatively unproductive and will only be remembered as a footnote of history

>>19447431
>The only thing that's legit "counter-cultural" anymore is violence.
False, BLM is government supported.

>>19447450

>>19446815
Islamism is a late 20th century event.

>>19447435
>Rockers and punks have cemented themselves in cultural history through the production of art which is still appreciated to this day.
very little of this music will outlast the boomers.
>What's so cool about...
i don't think trannies are cool but neither do i think any of the rock-influenced subcultures were, but the non-binary thing they/them thing is hugely popular among high school kids (i.e. the people who define and care about coolness). being edgy and popular among kids while making adults seethe (applicable to both trannies and groypers) is what being "cool" is all about.
the hippies became yuppies then boomers and the non-binary girls will become conservative housewives, but to be a genuine tranny is a true lifetime commitment.

no comment

>>19446807
How did you change to be this way?

>>19447464
More accurate to say a mid-to-late 20th century event, having its roots in the following (this is not exhaustive; just a starting point)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Cold_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_101

>>19446710
China rhymes with vagina

I’m going to play devil’s advocate and support Fukuyama’s theory with my own interpretation:

You shouldn’t conceptualize the end of history as just an “end state” of the world (every country becomes a liberal democracy) but also as a “historical force”.

Think of a river. It’s born among the rocks high up in the mountains. At first the current is very weak because there’s so many obstacles in its way (rocks, sediments, mud, etc.).
As it climbs down the mountain it picks up speed, obstacles become less numerous and easier to power through.
These obstacles represent the stumbling blocks mankind has faced, be it technological, social or political backwardness, basically anything that can be construed as an obstacle towards progress.
Now imagine there are boats sailing this river. They represent the many civilizations of the world. Many have sunk to the bottom of the river, the rest are bobbing up and down its waters, some go with the current, others against it, others are anchored and not moving but generally they all move in the same general direction, that is towards the ocean.
Now the boat that’s closest to the ocean is western civilization but it’s stuck on a rock that prevents it from moving forwards.
The end of history is not only the ocean itself at the mouth of the river but also the last section of it where the current is a very mighty torrent.
Fukuyama’s theory allows both for events and regression to happen, which is exactly what we see today.
Western civilization is THIS close to reaching the ocean but there are forces that keep it back.
The elites realized what exactly liberal democracy entails. They’ve realized that in the age of democracy they have become obsolete, just as the empires and aristocrats of old. But they don’t want to give up their power and privilege so they’ve done everything to cling to it.
Right now the West isn’t filled with liberal democracies but with oligarchies pretending to be democracies.
Why do they shill propaganda beneficial to their interests so much and so relentlessly?
(1/2)

>>19447564
Because they know that if they don’t, they’ll go the way of the dodo.
Their position however is untenable. Contrary to what they want the masses to believe, it’s THEY that are out of sync with the zeitgeist. The ancien regime aristocracy didn’t just vanish after the French Revolution, they kept clinging to their position, even in a greatly diminished state, despite being completely obsolete in the early modern world.
Similarly the elites of today are clinging to a rock to prevent the boat from actually reaching the ocean (the end of history) because then they’ll truly become obsolete.

Some of you will mention China but think about it this way: a war in China might just be the event, the last big push we need to dislodged ourselves from the rock the elites cling to, into the true end of history. And this time it’s not just one set of elites that will be swept away with the current just like all the empire, dynasties and aristocrats of old but the concept of hierarchy itself.
Liberal democracy, according to Fukuyama’s theory, represents the final answer to the social, political and economic question.
Once it becomes solved, we are now free to explore the vast ocean (space) without any obstacles in our way.
The lefties are unironically the reactionary forces that will be on the wrong side of history since they support the one thing tethering us.
Again, there might be regression, especially outside the west, but the end of history is not just the ocean but the mighty torrent at the mouth of the river dragging us along towards it.
Dictators and oligarchs are trying to resist it but they are fighting against the flow of time itself, and eventually their strength will be exhausted against the relentless tide of progress.

The end of history is surprisingly whitepilled.

>>19447467
>they/them thing is hugely popular among high school kids (i.e. the people who define and care about coolness)
What makes you so sure this whole they/them bullshit is as popular among kids as you claim? What makes you so sure it's not just a vocal minority of freaks screaming the loudest and making it seem like their taste is the "popular" one? We all know how the internet allowed for any voice to be amplified, and potentially overrepresented, this seems like one of those cases to me

And by God I hope you're wrong. Imagine, a future so uncertain these kids won't even be sure if they're male or female. Christ, this mental illness cannot be allowed to spread further and poison the minds of the youth. I fucking hate this whole "subversion" bullshit permeating western culture like a disease. This very obvious thing is X: it's not Y, it's not Z, it's fucking X, why fuck with people's minds and telling them trivialities, things normal people give for granted are achchually untrue. Do these assholes want the future generations to live in fear, knowing everywhere they go they will always be gripped by uncertainty? Questioning things, not giving them for granted, refusing dogmas is one thing, healthy too I'd say depending on circumstance, but this is just fucking with people's heads

>>19447564
>>19447568
tl;dr reactionary forces (elites, lefties, Islam, etc) have to pour so many resources into keeping the status quo because they are fighting a losing battle against the strongest historical force of all (the end of history) which will lead to a collapse of hierarchy, true freedom, democracy (remember, Western countries AREN’T democracies but oligarchies disguised as democracies) and prosperity for all.

>>19446711
And yet... nothing happened....

>>19446705
The only thing that has any potential is some sort of global restructuring either in response to or as a result of climate change. However, nothing will happen there either. Nations wont act. If things get bad, it will most likely happen gradually and there will be no great catastrophe. Instead standards of living will continue to decline and people will do nothing about it. Maybe from the scraps something new will arise.

>>19447564
>Right now the West isn’t filled with liberal democracies but with oligarchies pretending to be democracies.
Amen brother
I like your posts, they're reassuring, but at the same time they also seem a bit too optimistic to me, especially when you mention the abolition of hierarchy. Someone will always have to be in charge to give the people direction, it's always been like this; the recent explosive technological advancements for some reason make people believe we're way ahead in our evolution than we really are, yet I don't see how it coincides with the dropping of a system deeply ingrained in our instincts, even progress won't abolish hierarchy, I don't see why it should. Hierarchy per se isn't bad, it's just the out of touch cocksuckers abusing it that are the problem; so long has passed since a major popular uprising (think the european Spring of Peoples of the early 1800s; we're ignoring Russia in this equation) that the elites have forgotten that they can't and shouldn't do whatever the fuck they want. These assholes thing they can get away with it forever, I pray the day they will be proven wrong will come soon. They'll have to be reminded.

>>19447623
I am aware of the biological component in hierarchical structures but the bit about elites being obsolete is true.
Just like the aristocrats of old, the professional managerial elites spend an inordinate amount of time, effort and money to essentially justify themselves in a world where they have become obsolete.
They tell us to “trust the experts” but the professional manager is a relic of an earlier epoch of capitalist production, much like the captain of industry of the Gilded Age.
Their work is increasingly replaced by algorithms and programs that can complete management tasks more effectually than they do.
This is what’s causing them to be obsolete.
Much like the aristocrats they cling to their position and although greatly weakened they will have to be dislodged by a great event (the aristocrats were weakened by the French Revolution but the final bail in the coffin for monarchies was WWI). Similarly, Fukuyama’s theory does allow for events to happen at the end of history, that’s why I’m theorizing that a hypothetical war with China is what will finally dislodge them like WWI did to the aristocrats.
Or we could see regression and reaction.
But regardless I think we should conceptualize the end of history not just as a state but a force that is generating constant pressure on everyone towards freedom and equality (the real kind, not the fake one with have now).

>>19447481
To be honest, I don't know exactly. But the events preceding this was a spiral into porn, and being litterally glued to a screen all day, from the moment I woke up to until the the night, where I'd continue to stare at my screen until I couldn't keep my eyes open and fell asleep. That was the worst I've ever been. My solution was to completely, and without compromise, stop using the internet (I would only check emails on a desktop once a day). So I guess it was a doppamine detox, if you like that term. But I had realized the distinction, between thought following action and action following thought, when I was in that whirpool of distractions. I recognized, because it was so obvious and exagerated, that all I was doing was consuming passivly, wanting thought to follow action. When I went cold turkey, I was at first anxious and displayed withdrawl like symptons, but it lasted a surprisengly short amount of time, then I started writing poetry. I remember the first time, I was sitting there ruminating over a girl I loved and how I missed any chance with her, the feelings were so strong that lines of poetry litterally came into my head, and I wrote them down. I kept doing that, obviously the poems weren't any good, I had barely read any poetry before that, but I was writing them not to feel poetic, or self-satisfied and artsy, but because I was pining over that girl and the words couldn't stay in my head. I realized there's a fount of creative force in us that can be tapped, and honed by analysing the specific craft. Then I started writing short stories in prose, and drawing. Your thing might not be poetry, or prose, or art, but I think it needs to be some kind of creative thing. I should mention that now when I ''consume'' anything, be it a novel, a movie, or anything, it's not in the same passive way as before, it feels different, I'm more involved in the story, and I keep an eye out on what I can learn of writing from it.
This is all pretty self centered sounding, I know, but it was my expereince, I'm sure someone has written and philosophized about this same thing but expressed it a million times better.

>>19447598
Computational production is bottlenecked in areas in danger of climate change and climate change caused problems are part of why Ethiopia is collapsing, which will make the last refugee crisis look like a joke.

>>19447674
I welcome your points but I have two observations to make:
1) relying too much on algorhythms and programs is just asking for trouble, the moment they fail it all goes belly up, hence the managerial elite will still be necessary at least as a backup in case machines fail;
2) how exactly would a war with China definitively dislodge the modern western elites a-la european aristocracies post WW1? During WW1 the aristocracy was complacent, and waged a catastrophic war that didn't really benefit anyone except 'Murrica. As for a hypothetical war with China, the elites would have to push for it. Why would they do that? The West loves pushing around defenseless 3rd world nations but China is NOT one of them, they would be retarded to do so. I admit my ignorance in regards to chinese foreign policy, all I know is China wants to expand in some Pacific islands for whatever reason

>>19447706
>but I was writing them not to feel poetic, or self-satisfied and artsy, but because I was pining over that girl and the words couldn't stay in my head. I realized there's a fount of creative force in us that can be tapped, and honed by analysing the specific craft. Then I started writing short stories in prose, and drawing. Your thing might not be poetry, or prose, or art, but I think it needs to be some kind of creative thing. I should mention that now when I ''consume'' anything, be it a novel, a movie, or anything, it's not in the same passive way as before, it feels different, I'm more involved in the story, and I keep an eye out on what I can learn of writing from it.
>This is all pretty self centered sounding, I know, but it was my expereince, I'm sure someone has written and philosophized about this same thing but expressed it a million times better.
Not that anon but this speaks to me on a personal level, been through there myself as well. Godspeed son

>>19447077
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>>19446687
>There are no subcultures
Real life subcultures are dead, but there are multiple digital subcultures.
>Groypers
>TERFs
>Qoomers
>Transgenderism
>Furries
>Crypto bros

>>19447180
>that we're leaving it everything is going back to business as usual.
I wish.
t. German

End of History is far better formalized as just the civilization period in the vegetation phase of a culture. Blame the rest of the world for losing their cultures and falling under the faustian spell.
It is only the "End" of faustian history. Something new can still make history it jsut cant be China, Indians, Magians, Mesoamericans. He stated the Russians are on track of their historical development, but I somehow doubt it.

>>19447933
It's gonna be Polish people.

>>19446705
When China makes a move against Taiwan and starts a big mess in Asia, they will unite the West against them. There will be unity in Western countries that hasn't been seen in decades.

>>19447077
two kinds of people think he was right are both are retarded
>bored uneducated first worlders who only read the title
>liberals who think international globohomo liberalism is god

>>19448000
Poland is Ireland 2.0. Young Poles don't care about John Paul II or Catholicism in general, they care about LGBT rights and feminism. Czechia has also submitted to the woke recently. Slovakia and Hungary will probably be the last non-woke EU countries.

>>19446687
>there are people still shilling fukuyama in current year
lmao you guys are so retarded

>>19446687
Have no read it but..

>The End of History and the Last Man is a 1992 book of political philosophy by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama which argues that with the ascendancy of Western liberal democracy—which occurred after the Cold War (1945–1991) and the dissolution of the Soviet Union (1991)—humanity has reached "not just ... the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.

Is this the premise of the book? You're excused if you thought it was prophetic in the 90s and early 2000s but no, if this is the premise then it's wildly off the mark and not worth reading, I mean were you in a comma for the last 10 years as every single aspect of liberal democracy is coming undone?

>>19448017
when china integrates taiwan peacefully nobody will do anything but say "See, nothing ever happens!"

>>19446687
>Nothing ever happens
Imagine saying this after 2020 lmao
America is on the brink of Economic collapse and EU will disoolve in 20 years

Surely the debt bubble will pop massively at some point? Money printing and stimulus is based on future economic growth that will never arrive. Will degrowth be gradual or will it come suddenly?
>bro solar panels and electric cars they will totally have welfare and Netflix in twenty years

>>19447933
>trade one retarded historiography for another

>>19448017
>they will unite the West

Europe is in-fighting like mad now (Brexit, immigration, France-UK fishing row) and when Trump/Biden keep saying they'll wind down their NATO contributions and expect Europe to pay its fair share do you really think anything would happen to unite them? China supplies the comfort that the West enjoys. Putin already threatens the gas markets with Russia supply monopoly. Nothing will happen but 'stern words', crisis talks but the reclaiming of Taiwan won't elicit some great military response no matter how much some think or want it to be.

>>19446880
>Your subjective feelings of boredom

The social trends are clear and pronounced - it is most certainly not subjective.

>>19447077
>>19447099
Do either of you know the actual origin of the "Lenin" quote? I can't seem to find it.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/07/13/decades-weeks/

What I find strange is how a lot of people seem desperate for a happening.

They tried to make Trump seem like the next Hitler even though he was just a mediocre conservative President and they’re pushing the same climate change talking points they’ve been pushing for more than 20 years. People love making something out of nothing and then move on to the next thing. Remember back in January of 2020 when people thought WW3 was about to kick off because some general got assassinated? Neither does the majority of the world.

How sad are people’s lives that they seem to be praying for it to all fall apart. Moreover, would they truly be grateful if it did fall apart?

>>19449794
>bro America will never go bankrupt because muh modern monetary theory

>>19450051
Punctuated equilibrium, anon. Most of us lead shallow, comfortable lives (some of us even earned them). The real ravages of abject poverty have been mitigated through social programs in the US (Sakai's point about labor extraction and so on). We live in a world where homelessness is mostly a choice if you're not predisposed toward drug use or an affective Psych condition. Employment opportunities abound, food is cheap and obesity is one of the epidemics at hand. People want "meaningful" obstacles to overcome, something ancestral and readily apparent. YouTube is flooded with EDC weirdos hawking tech and gadgets and encouraging the gullible to prep. They long for catharsis, a chance to act purposefully. It's sad.

>>19450137
I feel these people are afflicted by some state of romanticism. I wouldn’t be surprised if the genetic memory of our ancestors fighting for survival somehow lives on in us and it makes these swashbuckling, epic tales of adventure that we see depicted in media resonate with us on a subconscious level.

I find this funny because if these people were actually thrust into the perilous situations they seem to be prayer for, they’d probably shit themselves in terror and want their old life back. There’s people who suffer from PTSD who rope themselves after experiencing such traumas.

>>19447467
your brainworms are showing. kids are mostly the same as they always have been, just more distracted and pulled in more directions.
there are no popular nonbinary kids--they are outcasts just as they've always been. only difference is with anti-bullying bs and cancel culture, they are left alone and not hazed for swimming upstream.
i'd tell you to go look around a high school, but something tells me you aren't allowed within 500 yards of one.

>>19450277
You're so wrong. I wish you were correct, but it's very much the opposite. NB is considered the "correct" identifier if you're not already trans in most social scenarios. Cishet is boring, bland and probably means you're racist. Self-harm is cool (erasers if you don't want to scar, razors if you do) and means you have rich inner-life (depression is aesthetic). Overdose attempts (always within reference range) that you stream or TikTok are documented for your parents to find and seethe at after-the-fact. This is typical almost everywhere in the US, even a shithole town in bumblefuck nowhere.

Why are Americans so narcissistic? Nothing else seems to exist or happen outside of their direct perception.

>>19450008
I know that it is likely apocryphal but i still like using it.

>>19449794
debt isnt real

>>19450455
profound mix of ignorance, low IQ and poor genes

>>19450051
disruption also brings opportunity, especially for those who have little to lose by it

>>19446687
He got the idea from a leftist you idiot

>>19448125
This, it'll be Hungary

I used to believe he was right until I read Oswald Spengler.

God, hegelians are so retarded

>>19447623
>>19447564
Losing ideas and structures doesn't result in shedding hierarchy. As we can see with modern states and totalitarianism, and the internet-based monoculture, it only frees people to be optimal status-obsessed sociopaths. Pure competition in which all concepts are malleable, truth of any sort is irrelevant. Adaption to social currents and wielding it to your benefit is the only relevant thing. This was not so pure, bare metal, when there were ideas that encouraged behaviour and beliefs that didn't immediately conclude/reduce to 'My hunger is necessary and correct, and anything goes to sate it'.

>>19447754
>Real life subcultures are dead
No they're not. Even heavily commercialised subcultures like skating are still a world apart in real life compared to the commercial image. Largely untouched.

Almost every hobby or practice or sport that involves people getting together constitutes a subculture as special culture, words, ideas, etc. develop. But that's actually the least important thing, because that easily develops everywhere as you can see on the internet, the physical practice and the unique group experience in that is the main thing. Unlike the internet, actual bonds and memorable experiences are made that have a lasting impact on that group. Which is where more significant differentiation happens.

Most 'known' subcultures, like the fashion or music based ones, were always shallow things. Pure spectacle for narcissistic kids. There are more genuine subcultures today though they are declining with the destruction of the internet and people are kind of boring with no real hobbies or interests.

>>19446738
It's a meme, a big one

>>19450934
https://youtu.be/e6FcNgOHYoo

>>19446748
Find God

>>19446687
>t. 431 iq thinking

>>19452041
Why did you show me this?

bump

>>19448427
He addressed all this in the book. Even in the OP there's a quote about local nostalgia for a time when history (and with it, different ideologies) existed being an obstacle for the end of history proper, and it might take a few decades or even hundreds of years, possibly signal using that this is what form the end of history will take (endless but meaningless squabble about the past)

>>19447467
I think the gender non-binary subculture is kinda like punk rock. It was kinda freakish in its time and involved some (light) body modification like piercings. But I think when people age, they kinda assimilate elements of that into their ordinary life. I still think goths age the best.

https://youtu.be/EuDZuVYoQlc?t=129

>>19450137
>The national ethos became one of resistance - to ‘non-traditional values’, to economic and military challenges from elsewhere, but mostly resistance to itself. Its fear of what it might become in a future over which its influence was questionable had a dramatic change on its politics that few but Lasch noticed: an obsession with survival. Survival of a ‘way of life’, survival of the environment, survival of institutions like the family, survival of ‘democratic freedoms’. America had adopted a sort of “siege mentality,” the consequences of which wouldn’t be visible for decades as it persisted, festered and matured.

>Politically, America had reached a pivotal ideological and cultural point: “The hope that political action will gradually humanize industrial society has given way to a determination to survive the general wreckage or, more modestly, to hold one’s own life together in the face of mounting pressures.” Lasch diagnosed this condition as a sort of national narcissism. Narcissism is not the equivalent of selfishness or egotism but a “confusion of the self and the not-self.”

>“The minimal or narcissistic self is”, Lasch says, “above all, a self uncertain of its own outlines, longing either to remake the world in its own image or to merge into its environment in blissful union.” The narcissist inhabits a world of struggling fantasy, discovering and fighting battles against the world in general. Illusion is the narcissist’s life-blood. He (and I suppose she) strives continually to “attempt to restore narcissistic illusions of omnipotence.” Crucially the narcissist has no ideal as an end point of such striving, no vision, no strategy; merely the objective of being in control.

>It is inevitable that one encounters Trump in this description of the emerging personality of America. Lasch also spots the Promethean pretense inherent in Trump’s Make America Great Again. This is a pretense because it masks profound feelings of inadequacy: “...narcissism...[is] a disposition to see the world as a mirror, more particularly as a projection of one’s own fears and desires—not because it makes people grasping and self-assertive but because it makes them weak and dependent. It undermines their confidence in their capacity to understand and shape the world and to provide for their own needs.”
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/724189.The_Minimal_Self

>>19450277
>brainworms
You're a disgusting faggot with a prolapsed rectum. No surprise you couldn't talk about schools with immediately thinking of pedophilia.
>NBs are le outcasts
Duh...cool kids always have been, hippies were, punks were, goths were.

>>19446687
>The struggle for recognition, the willingness to risk one’s life for a purely abstract goal, the worldwide ideological struggle that called forth daring, courage, imagination, and idealism, will be replaced by. . . the satisfaction of sophisticated consumer demands
Allahu akbar, faggot.

>>19450277
>brainworms
You're a disgusting faggot with a prolapsed rectum. No surprise you couldn't talk about schools without immediately thinking of pedophilia.
>NBs are le outcasts
Duh...cool kids always have been, hippies were, punks were, goths were.

>>19452750
I think it's kind like a McJihad synthesis. The Taliban won but they're not exactly the same as they used to be and they want to stabilize the situation. Meanwhile, I don't think most trad guys who sometimes admire jihadists really want to do that. As in, they don't really want to live up to the demands and responsibilities that a trve patriarchy requires. Houellebecq gets there when France is taken over by an Islamic government but they don't really change very much -- they have gender segregation in the universities but otherwise life continues on as normal.

>>19448017
nice try faggot, everyone hates america. if anything we will side with China

>>19450215
it's a manifestation of the dominant all-against-all neoliberal economic paradigm. you're no longer the member of a class everyone is out to eat your lunch whether they mean to or not. the prepper is expressing their profound anxiety at the steady erosion of middle class life, and it's not a coincidence that they do it by buying a bunch of crap

>>19447594
One of the most braindead uninformed posts ITT

>>19449794
Then crypto will take over. It will be the new centralized currency(even if it has a decentralized origin).

>>19447258
stop... i cant swallow all these pills...

>>19446687
>"The end of history will be a very sad time," he wrote, "I have the most ambivalent feelings about it." He lamented the passing of the heroic age of mankind: “The struggle for recognition, the willingness to risk one’s life for a purely abstract goal, the worldwide ideological struggle that called forth daring, courage, imagination, and idealism, will be replaced by. . . the satisfaction of sophisticated consumer demands.” History had ended in the prefabricated, conformist lanes of suburbia. “In the post-historical period there will be neither art nor philosophy, just the perpetual caretaking of the museum of human history.”
oh no people don't have to die over bullshit anymore waaahh
conservatives should be gassed

>>19447077
His overall thesis that liberalism is the completion of the historical cycle is not something that most people would ever believe and there are many issues with it, but his basic observation that human developments leads to liberalization is not false. It’s demonstrably true just about everywhere you look. Every society that technologically advances ends up becoming more liberal because liberalism is fundamentally about controlling modern technology and how that power is distributed. And as we can clearly see today, no matter how many faults liberalism has, it still has the most power in the world. Modernity as a whole developed out of liberalism’s interpretations of technology. It doesn’t seem to be going away for that reason, as of now we’re still trapped inside liberal capitalism and there’s multitudes of evidence that plainly demonstrate how decadent and exhausted we’ve become. Fukuyama was right and wrong at the same time, at least for now.

>>19453184
Liberalism always leads to decay and collapse

>>19453326
>>19453184
Also liberalism and democracy leads to communism because the average normie is left wing
They want equality and more power to the government, individualists are always a minority
Modern liberalism has nothing to do with freedom and needs to be enforced by force

>>19447579
Isn’t only 2/3 of gen z identifying as cis and straight nowadays

>>19448427
You are just buying into political spectacle, Biden and Trump won’t and didn’t change anything

>>19452768
Houellebecq is a pseud hack absolutely disconnected from real French culture

>>19453358
>Isn’t only 2/3 of gen z identifying as cis and straight nowadays
2/3 is the majority. Also, nice.

>>19453393
What is the real French culture?

>>19447077
quality post anon thank you I enjoyed reading it

>>19453613
THIS is real french culture

fukuyama himself admitted that he was wrong about the end of history theory

>>19446687
What did Aristotle say about masculine republics and femine democracies again?

>>19453184
Well, it's not false, but it isn't really true either. It can and has lead to liberalisation, but it doesn't necessarily do so. I'm also leaning towards of a kind of functionalism of late—that social and political structures evolve and change to resolve shifting problems in society—but rather of an 'elective' kind than the teleological one you seem to hold. There have been at least two majorly successful attempts to integrate the changing economic and social forces that modernisation has brought: representative democracy and party-states. Both resolve the problems of political mobilisation, integration of new elites, governmental bureaucratisation, economic complexity, popular legitimation, etc caused by industrialisation. That these can be competitive should be evident by the successes of the USSR and China, debatably Japan and Singapore also. The four asian tigers were party-states for the majority of their moderisation. Perhaps even Nazi Germany is a good example, but it's difficult to tell because their existence was so short. All of these governments presided successfully over modern economies and societies, and the reasons why most fell has little to do with some innate inadequacy to resolve modern problems.
We even have Rentier States kicking around in the Middle-East and South East Asia which are absolute monarchies. Competitive authoritarianism is thriving in Africa, South-Asia, and Eastern Europe/Central Asia, and democratic back-sliding continues as the third-wave has crashed and is now receding. The number of authoritarian regimes multiply as the years go by while democratic countries shrink. That has been the trend for the last 20 years and it doesn't appear to be abating. This whig history that all roads lead to liberalism is one that is tenuous at best, both contemporary and historically. It is difficult to even compare the liberalism (as anachronistic as that term is) of older societies to our own, as the liberties they enjoyed are often different in kind than in quantity. Ignoring that for now, it seems to me that there are many possible adaptations to modern conditions, not just one. At least regarding political liberalisation, economic liberalisation is a bit more uniform.
But even assuming that the link between modernisation and liberalism is true, if we are to abandon Fukuyama's reason and replace it with the idea that liberalism is a reflection of the pressures of modern technology, why would we think that we stand at the end of history? technologies will develop and change, so shouldn't we therefore expect political forms to further develop and change with them? This is what i mean when i say the reasons are as important as the conclusions, because the conclusion no longer follows if we change our premises. So what was he really right about then? Observing a phenomenon and attributing an incorrect cause? that only puts him among the likes of miasmists and geocentrists—hardly something to be celebrated.

>>19447151
Yeah but those refugees we get over here didn't do anything interesting whatsoever. They got bombed and ran away with outstretched hands to milk the fattest pay pig they could find.
It would be different if they were to decide to stay and fight and hopefully provide fertile grounds for the genesis of some sort of new and exciting social order.
But no, they choose to take the easy way out, because they are cowards. That's why nobody will remember them and that's why Syria is and always has been an irrelevant backwater desert shithole. All great Syrians made their names elsewhere.

>>19453613
Real French culture can never submit to Islam, Houellebecq needs to visit the French countryside or any French city outside of Paris lmao

bump

>>19450322
Go outside you freak

>>19447180
>now that we're leaving it
Do they still sell surge in your timeline?

>>19446897
If Syria were irrelevant then they wouldn't spend so much money in an effort to wrestle control over it.

Bump

>>19446711
Are you kidding? Trump is one of the best proofs of the thesis that Liberalism is at the very least hegemonic and desired by the masses. Trump was a protest against the bureaucratic mundanity of life where people desperately wanted a charismatic strongman and heroic figure to bring back history and restore the collapsing romance of America, but he failed. He was just a product of the same decadence that people wanted to revolt against, a fat Zionist neoliberal reality TV show host who did nothing to prevent the onslaught of progressivism that will soon take over. In the end, he was beaten in the next election by the guy who was already Vice President for 8 years and is essentially just a carbon copy of Obama. We have made zero political progress, we’re right back to square one and Liberalism is still in power after the whole Trump presidency ended. If Trump is a Caesar or a fascist then he was the most boring “great” figure in human history.

Trump was a symbolic figure who gave people a common rallying point to LARP their historical fantasies of being social justice rebels or preservers of American excellence. Yet nothing about Trump’s policies were unique and the fervor he ignited is nothing compared to pre-1991 upheavals like the civil rights movement or May 68 protests. Like Fukuyama says, we will come to miss that feeling of genuine struggle and perseverance to overcome something bigger than us. People simulated that with Trump and now the fantasy has ended. We remain trapped in the system and bored out of our minds.

>>19447706
Not the reply anon but thank you, I'll be thinking about your post

What does decadence even mean at this point?

>>19457850
"Decadence is the total loss of unconsciousness, which is the very basis of life. Could it think, the heart would stop beating.” ― Pessoa

What about killing on a grand scale? Would that restart history? I've thought that there are several vectors forward that involve great violence in the world. Another civil war in the United States, for example, or Western Europe deciding to put all their Muslims in camps and starve them to death. It seems like history would get restarted as a result of a mountain of skulls. Which is somewhat appropriate since mountains of skulls have typically categorized the movement of the spirit of history in the past.

>>19458720
Nice, very nice. Sums up a lot of materialist liberal thinking that happiness is consuming everything around you from status goods to political ideology to even love and sex

>>19458726
>Western Europe deciding to put all their Muslims in camps and starve them to death
Absolutely delusional. It is more likely that whites be put into camps in Europe than Muslims. Muslims have conquered Europe already. You guys just don’t realize it yet.

>>19458771
It would shock you how close the Europeans are to genocide. The French will probably do it first.

It's just wrong. You're literally living history right now retard. In 20 years, Covid will be taught in schools, the Trump history will be taught, BLM, the Yemeni Civil War and so on.

Just because you're a sheltered bougie retard in the West doesn't mean history ended.

>>19446897
>Syria was is and will be an irrelevant country that was never, isnt, and won't ever

>>19458774
Europeans are literally a broken people, the only genocide which they will partake in is their own, voluntarily. Look at demographic and religious projections of 2100 Europe and tell me who will win.

>>19448000
>toilet cleaners will restart history

My problem with citing Fukuyama in 2021 is that his "end of history" involves the triumph of liberal democracy and that feels increasingly shaky these days. It feels like liberal democracy has been on the retreat in the last decade.

>>19458791
you didn't read the thread or understand what this book is about. he never implied that human events would stop happening.

>>19446705
by hanging the managerial class, in minecraft

>>19446990
Russia is going to invade Ukraine for years according to your political pundits. Stop chugging propaganda from liberals and neocons for once, you moron.

>>19446687
More things have happened in the last 2 years than 2010-2019 combined

It's safe to say that once the west collapses in the upcoming decades the ideas of liberalism and democracy will be abandoned forever.

>>19446990
braindead nigger

>>19459412
>once the west collapses in the upcoming decades
don't hold your breath

>>19459679
>whites are the only people supporting liberal democratic system
>whites are becoming a miniroity everywhere

Are you completely stupid or just ignorant? Just because liberalism takes longer to destroy a country than communism it doesn't mean it won't happen

>>19459692
2nd generation immigrants to white countries are liberal

>>19459714
So? Liberals always have lower birth rates on average than conservatives, liberalism is a death cult

>>19459730
Conservatives in western countries are liberals.

>>19459714
>2nd generation immigrants to white countries are liberal
As soon as they become majority they will support sharia law

>>19459740
That's why the west is destined to die
Except deeply religious communities
If you don't have children you have no future

>>19458887
it's not being replaced by an alternative, just progressively more authoritarian versions of itself at a certain point in becomes burlesque but even dictators feel the need to hold sham elections

>>19459752
Can it be considered a democracy at that point when it ultimately devolves into a corrupt dystopian oligarchy? How can it beliberal when it's actually one of the most oppressive systems?

>>19453058
government by emergency declaration is now the name of the game. to protect our democracy, of course. a slightly worse version of when the judiciary decides to legislate from the bench

Neo liberals are truly pathetic because pretty much everyone else except them is pessimistic about the future, the left predicts climate change adn raising wealth inequality while the right predicts destruction of tradition, social cohesion and civil unrest

didn’t derrida shit all over this man in specters of marx?

>>19446687
There are literally concentration camps with Uyghurs in China right now and in North Korea people live under one of the most extreme totalitarian regimes ever. If that's not history, then I don't know what is.

Maybe come outside for once and realize that the world does not revolve only around your basement. You are just being an ignorant retard

>>19459799
That is the only based thing about neoliberals, the gigachadian optimism mixed with total unconcern for those who are suffering

>>19457636
Good post.

>>19460530
Boomer post

>>19460568
>You don't care that my life sucks?
>Well you... you're a BOOMER!
>Heh, that'll show 'em to be unconcerned by homelessness

>>19460600
Yes? Boomers are the most selfish and self-centered generation. This sort of sentiment could only be expressed by sociopaths (which boomers are).

>>19460512
The End of History only applies to nations under western style liberal democracies, so regimes like those in China and NK don't count

>>19446687
what are you talking about? the 9/11 and the fall of kabul literally proved him wrong lol

>>19460612
yeah and zoomers and millenials are so altruistic and mentally healthy

>>19460612
>t. seething zoomer

>>19446687
>Fukuyama suggested that “this very prospect of centuries of boredom at the end of history will serve to get history going again.”
That will inevitably happen as climate change triggers global collapse those that remain will have an opportunity to continue to make history

>>19460530
>>19460600
Ignorance is bliss

>>19460778
>That will inevitably happen as climate change triggers global collapse
I am pretty sad about this but on the other hand it's sort of exciting. In a world where the American East Coast, the Chinese coast, much of Europe, and all of SE Asia is underwater, everything will be in flux.

>>19460682
The end of history results in either The West becoming China and enslaving its population forever or complete collapse and permanent dark age

>>19446815
...and many more coping mechanisms for westerners, click to find out!

>>19460805
What exactly is exciting about it?

>>19460848
Well, it means we might escape AI techno-dystopia. It means the seemingly inevitable Chinese hegemony is actually not a sure thing. It's exciting because it means all these things we thought were going to happen may in fact not happen. History is alive again.

>>19460682
Fair enough, then I do apologize for being a retard myself.

Although I have to admit that I don't understand this approach to history. For example it seems obvious for me that we may not think of people as being significant figures, while living amongst them. Important figures become a history when they are fucking dead. And by that time we might be deceased as well.

>>19460848
Not him but I guess the fact that "history" will start to happen again. The power vacuum left by a government unable to enforce its authority over a devastated populace will allow for other structures to emerge. That is exciting even it you happen to be among the casualties and won't get to experience the events that unfold

>>19460805
>the American East Coast, the Chinese coast, much of Europe, and all of SE Asia is underwater, everything will be in flux.
hahaha even anons on 4chan still believe in the apocalyptic climate change meme. it's another simulacrum of a non-happening that will be used as a power grab like covid.
there won't be a chinese hegemony either, there won't even be a sino-american cold war. the anglo-american ZOG-enforced hegemony will collapse and we will have a multipolar world again just like we have for most of history, and would have to this day if it weren't were anglo and jewish subversion

>>19460718
lmao nobody cares about middle eastern playground wars outside of anglos/kikes most of the world continues as if 9/11 never even happened. even ISIS turned out to be a meme that collapsed within under 3 years

>>19460878
I don't know how you're connecting the end of history (which is really just composed of whiggish revisionism and endless worship of humanism/scientism) to some kind of support for the Great Man Theory. Plenty of people have acknowledged significant figures during their lifetimes, but now there are none. Who would qualify as powerful today? If Xi Jinping died, another man enforcing the same would take his place. government leaders are disposable

>>19459714
2nd generation immigrant here, also i'm a fascist

I see you guys talking about politics and the current state of affairs and I find it very interesting but I dont know ANYTHING about whats going on. How do I become cultured? Like, what sites do you browse, what books do you read to learn about this stuff? I know I could just google but I feel like a lot of sources in this field are heavy propaganda, and rather than poison my mind with it I'd rather not know at all. Also please recommend history books because I'm trying to expand my knowledge(currently I'm like 4th grader tier since before now I never cared about history, even skipped most history and geography classes but I'm trying to change my ways)

I think I asked something similar before but noone responded, so please do this time, it would mean a lot to me bc I unironically trust your opinions more than whatever shit I find on google lol

>>19461189
Well you could start by reading The End of History by the man himself.
Also the entire blindpill chart (sorry I can’t post pics because rangeb& :()
Unironically /pol/
Watch the interviews with Yuri Bezmenov (on YT, unless they got taken down)
The Naked Capitalist
Culture of Critique
And basically any “redpilled” literature that gets peddled here.
Also get up to speed on international news (although it’s all propaganda but you’ll get the gist that something is brewing with China and America got BTFO by Afghan goat herders)

>>19461189
start with the greeks

>>19461276
I read 80% of the Illiad so far lol

>>19461189
it's a very wide topic, if you want to undestand the current sate of politics in USA and China I suggest you to start by watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU
Also I recommend you to watch China in focus on youtube if you want to be update on the current news, it's kinda biased but it's better than most news channels

>>19450322
Where the fuck do you live where any of this is true?
t. zoomer

>>19461717
>Kraut and Tea
This guy is still around?

We have seen in the past century a transformation of great scope and breadth as a result of technological development; in every sphere of life and social activity people have changed their behavior, their aspirations, and their hopes compared to the past. The change in society is accompanied by an enormous transformation in human psychology, economics, politics, war, and social relations. Humanity has become so assimilated to and conditioned by liberalism that we cannot imagine a life without it.

Liberalism is not an ideology, nor is it even a mere social ideal or school of politics. It has evolved beyond that. In fact, its most important social effect is its impact on people’s psyche and thought. That is what it becomes. A state of being. In a sense, it is the mind of man. It is a kind of natural attitude of the modern human being. It has happened to us all, and we have all been affected. We cannot change it, at least not without a complete reversal of the historical course and reset of humanity.

>>19461993
What makes you think another bit transofrmation won't happen in the future?

>>19461822
it’s all made up. he thinks it’s a far bigger issue than it is because he seethes so much at weird queer shit that the algorithms feed it to him in immense quantities

The liberal ideal has been accepted by every sector of society because it fits us so perfectly, for it represents the essence of what is most important in people: freedom. It is the first and foremost value in human beings.

>>19446749
Lol get BTFO'd by butters, >>19446687

>>19462030
Most humans are animals are who want to be taken care of by benevolent dictators, they don't want to be free

>>19461993
>>19462030
>destroys Fukuyama and neolibs

>>19462030
And yet people have constantly given up their freedom for a false sense of security, you can see it happening right now

>>19461993
This is really why liberalism is so hard to combat. Modern man in a sense is the liberal man and everything that comes after still develops from the definitions of liberalism. Everything we know about technology, social relations, science and knowledge is epistemologically liberal.

>>19462189
Both sides of the political spectrum have lost faith in liberalism, I really think it will become a relic of the past

>>19446738
it's actually good
maybe even great
he's a Hegelian
the only thing he refuses to see is race, because he's a tojo in America
otherwise he's pretty based

>>19449451
the EU is a much more stable thing than people think
it's Holy Roman Empire 2.0
with all the games and airs
it'll be an eternal omnishamble
like Europe used to be

>>19447933
based on him, we have 200 years left
so prepare for caesarism

>>19462258
>Hegelian
Into the trash it goes

>>19462307
ozzies need not apply

>>19462031
lmao!

>>19462290
The EU will become one country within our lifetimes. It's not HRE 2.0, it's the North German Confederation.

>>19462549
No chance

>>19462004
>>19456197
I'm actually a Therapist that works Acute Care (child/adolescent). I see patients daily. You can dismiss this, but it's a readily-apparent reality. This is what I see, and what I'm told. A lot of it is attention-seeking from BPD girls with emulative objectives.

>>19462899
Don't you think that, working in the profession you do, you may have a selection bias.

>>19453930
nice post desu anon

>>19461987
Yeah and he makes good content no actually

>>19460682
Delusional and narcissistic view

>>19461993
So Liberalism is das Absolut?

>>19461189
literally just start reading news articles, when a topic comes up within those articles that you find interesting, read the wiki page on it, when you have a question that the page doesn't answer, look up results for the question on 4chan, reddit, dedicated forums ,etc

>>19461242
>Unironically /pol/

retard

>>19464614
>Unironically reddit

retard

>>19447180
who is everybody? I'm not even 22 and I knew damn well nothing would change. Get your head out of your ass.

>>19446687
Typical westoid nihilism. Fuck you people are gay.

>>19462290
It’s not Holy, Roman, or an Empire. It’s an economic agreement between nations which collectively have lost their political advantages.

If this signifies anything it's simply the end of white people. We've allowed our enemies to exploit our weaknesses and become suicidal. But who will keep up our system of liberalism once we are gone? Blacks? Don't make me fucking laugh.

>>19464944
Wait, if you "know" damn well nothing would change, could you state your justification for said belief? Or is it just a stray opinion driven by hysteria?

I miss the naive optimism of the late 90s,people thought there would be no more major conflicts, humanity reached its peak and we would have bright future with scientific progress, flying cars and space exploration, then 9/11 happened and put a quick end to all that

>>19461242
You won't learn anything about the world is you read this junk

>>19462030
>this fucking post
wrong in several ways
Typically presumptuous of you to assume the"universal" applicability of liberalism and its values as "universal human values" as if its not the imposed ideology of the West, spawned from a specific historic development in the West, and this is seen in the growing power of liberal-rejecting countries which is the reason liberalism is getting BTFO atm.

Liberalism is an anti-human ideology whos logic dictates the end of humanity as a species once the "individual" has been "liberated/freed" from this "constraint" as well.
Just as tradition, church, caste, people, nation (despite this being a creation of liberalism originally), family, GENDER, soon humanity itself will be "overcome" as seen with the vanguard of the liberalist elite's push towards transhumanism by both electric implants and connection to computers and gene-editing

>>19464614
The infographics are what you should be interested in, as well as charts and books/docs reccs.
The discussion I’ll grant you, is garbage.

>>19462030
>freedom. It is the first and foremost value in human beings

lol no

people have shown they will trade liberty for security and sense of comfort

>>19446786
Neither China nor Islam is a threat to the Western way of life. The muslim world is rapidly becoming secular and in 50 years will be a copy of the West, save for some enclaves of orthodoxy, such as Afghanistan. And China is struggling with its own void too much to care about actual expansion. They have no desire to convert anyone to 'socialism with chinese characteristics'. It's a meme.

>>19461993
As a rule, our liberal democracies have given people freedom in its widest sense – political, economic, social and cultural. However, in most countries of the world, the liberal democracies have not been able to establish that state of freedom we have so long dreamt about in practice – the true realization of the liberal ideal.

This has been the case in all the most important countries: our democracies seem to have failed to make freedom the supreme value in every aspect of life, and not only in the political sphere. We have the impression that the values are "progressing" in some vague form of liberation, we in theory have the right to say what we want, but we also have the duty to not to offend others with ever increasing authoritarian pressure not to do so. In the name of freedom of expression, many people have been imprisoned, many others expelled or fired from their jobs for saying things considered extremist against the regime. Truly what is freedom of expression if we can be imprisoned or fired for the most unpopular or anti government views?

>>19462030
If it were true, why would the so-called liberal countries be the most authoritarian when it comes to pandemic restrictions?

>>19465848
>that he could not what he would, he feigned will what he could

>>19446687

I have a paper slated for publication on this actually. I won't attempt to sum it up, but a few thoughts:

Yes, the book was extremely prescient in some ways, particularly it's solid diagnosis of the problem of the Last Man, which your quotes exemplify. Although to be fair, Nietzsche came up with the idea a century earlier, and the fundemental theory for Fukayama's work was developed, I would say with much better detail, by Hegel two centuries earlier. To be fair though, it seems humanity gets a Hegel, Plato, or Aristotle about once every 1,000 years on average.

Fukuyama's contribution was in part just to resurrect Hegel for a field that was forgetting him. But he also added empirical analysis and detail to the theory, and helped wed the ideas of Hegel to modern political science (I think Derrida's criticism on this front was pretty baseless, all polisci case studies select on the dependant variable to some degree, but this is a hell of a lot better than other examples such as "Why Nations Fail?").

The weakness is that Fukayama relies on Kojève for his understanding of Hegel and severely truncates Hegel's thought. Yes, human conflict is driven by the struggle for recognition, but this is not the whole message. Fukuyama sums up the master-slave dialectical in the opening of his book but just skips explaining the dialectical. Obviously, for Fukayama's purposes, having attempting to explain something so difficult in detail is outside the scope of his project. However, the omission seems to effect his analysis. He posits significant challenges from internal contradictions in liberal democracy as maybe causing backsliding, war, disaster. This isn't what the basis of his method suggests at all though. These contradictions, the problem of inequality and that of the consumerist Last Man, will produce a new opposition to liberal democracy. This in turn will produce a synthesis and sublate the contradiction. In point of fact, this already happened in Fukayama's analysis, he just doesn't see it.

He sees communism and fascism as defeated due to internal contradictions and disappearing from the world. This isn't actually what happened. His version of history, where liberal democracy springs to life fully formed in the French and American revolutions is historically wrong.

These revolutions only answered the political question (i.e. constitutionalism, rule of law, end of noble privilege, republicanism). The social question, the root of socialism, popped up right after. How can a republic not be dominated by elites and demagogues, and survive, when the masses are illiterate peasants and there is little social mobility?

So socialism rose as a challenge, with Marxism being the most successful brand. And yes, communism appears dead, but it also changed liberal democracy. Liberal democracy sublates socialism. Socialist policy became endemic in all liberal democracies. Universal education, no child labor, government health care (big even in the US

>>19465880
so it became social democracy?

>>19465880
Democracy is just an illusion of freedom, the truly powerful people never get elected

>>19465880
Socialism became mainstream in the rhetoric of liberal democracies. Pensions, legislation protecting unions, etc.

Fukuyama explains this as economic rationalization brought on by technological change, and that is surely part of it. But it wasn't the rationalization advanced by the people who implemented it or that sustains it. The contradictions in early modern democracy vis-a-vis recognition is where the push came from.

Modern nationalism (embodied in fascism) is no different. This is sublated by liberal democracy as well. Nationalism was necessary to make people accept the redistribution of socialism. A people had to share an identity to make them willing to share to such a high degree.

The democracy of the French Revolution tried to internationalize itself, setting up satellite sister republics. The self-determination of a people group as the source of legitimacy for liberal democracy came later, from modern nationalism. Nationalism was originally a radical ideology challenging the traditional rule of kings by hereditary fiefdom and divine right. It took center stage in the liberal revolts of 1848. We generally think of it as a right wing force, but this ignores just how central it is to left wing thought too. Colonialism was bad because self determination is the source of legitimacy. No leftist would argue Algeria would be "free" if they were just given an equal vote within France. Self-determination is essential to anti-imperialism. This is the sublation of nationalism.

Globalization throws two internal contradictions of the new liberal democracy into sharp contrast. First, mass migration is eroding national identity, and thus legitimacy and support for socialism. In turn, the inequality created by mass migration (moving unskilled labor for which demand is falling necissarily increases inequality, especially when the people coming have almost no network and face discrimination and a language barrier), undermines socialism, and also support for socialism (e.g. Amazon used diversity to reduce unionization risk).

Second, global issues, chiefly global warming and ocean acidification, call for global responses. Legitimacy cannot remain based on self-determination. Global organizations have to be able to force nation states to protect the environment, it's the only way out of the prisoner's dilemma. This requires a new synthesis and new challenges are coming.

However, the Last Man problem is still there. Look at the obsession with being Chad or Alpha, versus a beta or cuck. The emergence of the Manosphere and new right. This whole site is obsessed with masculinity and struggle as a road to self recognition. It's a huge undercurrent in our culture from Fight Club, to Jack Donovan, to Josh Hawley, to the Virgin and Chad meme. A bunch of Last Men who want a disastrous civil war because they can't find meaning. It is in many ways similar to the problem of the European elite in 1914.

Are there any books that deal with liberalism and immigration?

>>19465891
Sort of, it also fused with nationalism. See >>19465917

>>19465894


I disagree. The powerful people always remain powerful due to state capture and inequality. Someone like Obama, the mixed race child of a single mom was never powerful until he won a national election and became a charismatic candidate to run.

>>19465917
To continue:

But Fukuyama missed how much economics drive the Last Man problem. 40+ years of stagnant real median wages, declining wages for the bottom 50%, declining life expectancy, soaring inequality- these all help undermine feelings of recognition. Being replaced by more desperate third worlders hits support or socialism and identity. The collapse of churches, labor unions, and civic organizations obviously plays a role here.

The problem is that the new radical ideologies are full of worse contradictions. Take the new Right in the US. The focus on property rights directly undermines the goals for reducing globalization. Corporations have every incentive to use migrant labor and off shore production. Protecting their rights is in contradiction with the goal of slowing globalization. A carbon tax would include the externalities of offshoring to heavy polluting nations, and the cost of trans-Pacific shipping and would drastically reduce offshoring, but the new Right would never allow it because admitting global warming and restricting corporate rights is anathema.

A way forward probably involves more global forms of identity and socialism. Protect identity by massively curbing migration and allowing time for migration. But then to stave off migration, you need to send way more aid to poor countries, something likely akin to Cold War level defense spending, because otherwise you will keep getting massive waves. Then, you also need a new source of legitimacy outside self determination.

Greater equality helps the Last Man problem, but you still need intentional efforts and identity building. New Left multiculturalism directly contradicts assimilation though.

The dialectical is in full swing. Something is coming.

>>19465935
Foreign aid is precisely the reason why the third world remains poor. Imagine being an African baker and trying to compete with UN food parcels. Foreign aid is simply aborting African economic growth before it can born.

>>19465880
>>19465917
>>19465935
I hope the paper comes out. This is the best analysis of the merits/shortfalls of TEOH that I've seen, and a model for understanding the current democratic recession in its own right.

The proposed solutions are politically untenable and fraught with problems though. It would be a stronger analysis without the recommendations at all.

Otherwise you get a string of rebuttals like >>19465959 to anticipate, which require more specialized resource and more arguments to address. Do you really want to go down the avenue of having to explain what sorts of aid seem to help and which don't? That's a whole different literature.

If you're a white male author, talking about the need for assimilation and state identity building will torpedo an otherwise solid argument. Diagnoses is good enough, no one has done it well yet.

>>19457636
>onslaught of progressivism that will soon take over.
>soon

>>19446687
Yeah it's a bit weird isn't it, after all it's a pretty damn easy proposition to criticize, how can something like History simply end?
And yet we're still stuck following the same values as before, even if we seem to dislike them more and more. We now simultaneously hate Democracy but still worship it. And nothing new presents itself.

>>19465968
>>19465959 here. I didn't mean to nitpick his post, as you said his diagnosis is good, the remedy not so much. Besides, a scientific paper is not a proper medium for giving political solutions.

>>19446687
I'm interested in reading this one day. I looked it up once and it was all redditors saying "umm this has been debunked"

>>19457636
Time will tell. Trump's attempts to overturn the election were doomed because no one actually thought it was possible. With four more years of harping on about a stolen election, I don't think it is all that unlikely that, if the GOP holds the House and Senate, they would vote to overturn an election in which Trump lost to give him the White House in spite of an Electoral College loss. State legislators overturning their own elections to give Trump EC delegates seems even more likely given that it was advocated in 2020 and states have passed laws explicitly to allow this.

This would represent a major shift away from democracy. The legitimacy of the government would still be based in appeals to liberal democracy, because the elections were "rigged" and people not truly of the "American nation" are allowed to vote. This shows how the crumbling of identity is contradicting liberal democracy. The Right doesn't see new arrivals as legitimate voters.

To be fair, this is a bit of an asinine position. The bulk of demographic shift has been legal immigration. This was duly passed by Congress and never repealed. The GOP had full control of Congress under Trump and could have pulled the US out of asylum treaties and done whatever they wanted to immigration, which would match their rhetoric of it as an "existential threat." They did nothing, they didn't even hold one vote on migration reform. But the base has a point here too, in that this almost certainly has to do with the economic elite benefiting from large scale migration that drives wages down and rents up, it's just that this is an argument in favor of socialist policies, not against them.

Now, even if Trump got an election overturned, it means very little on its own. If he had been given the election in 2020 we'd still have high inflation and a meh economy, and any long term non-democratic rule would collapse as the combination of no legitimacy and bad performance seems to kill authoritarian rule.

However, I think it denotes a larger trend in the collapse of national identity under globalization. The US has an identity specifically well equiped to deal with migration and is still unraveling.

When large Western European nations approach 50% non-European demographics later in the century, I predict the crisis will be far more acute.

Also, it will be mixed with global warming. Sub-Sahran Africa just hit a billion people a few years ago. Africa will have more people than all of Asia by 2100, more than 50% of all people under 18 will live there. Weak states plus high vulnerability to climate change that will get much more intense in the second half of the century will result in waves of migration that will dwarf 2015 by orders of magnitude.

There will also be "wake up moments" in developed countries. Sea level rise likely won't be a existential problem for most major cities in our lifetime or even this century. However, large parts of Miami assuredly will be under the ocean.

>>19466166
I think when a major American city is swallowed by the Atlantic Ocean, there will probably be a shift in attitudes.

It's unfortunate that the American left is so dysfunctional and self-contradictory, because the Right is going to end up severely discredited by climate change and it will unbalance politics for a long time.

>>19465880
>>19465880
>>19465917
>>19465935
How can one man be so based as to drive theory 200+ years later?

Ive heard Hegel called the father of socialism and modern nationalism, but it sounds more like he just diagnosed them way ahead of time as the two trends that would drive history for centuries. And then most of his work isn't even political, it's all logic and ontology.

Reminder that universal suffrage was the worst mistake in human history

Giving every retard voting rights always ends in expanding government and welfare state which results in hyper inflation

>>19466602
The US and UK never had hyperinflation. Inflation for the Eurozone and US from the 90s to the Pandemic was low and predictable. Your ilk have been predicting "hyperinflation" for over a century and at worst there has been isolated years around 10% and then higher average rates in the 70%. Hyperinflation, rates of 50% per month, have never happened.

>>19467313
You'd think goldbugs would get tired of being wrong. After a half century, US inflation has been significantly lower on fiat than on the gold standard (highest inflation in the modern era was 1917, 19.7%). The massive expansion of the welfare state under FDR led to a period of significantly lower inflation and less extreme business cycles than the Guilded Age.

Is inflation today bad? Sure, it's a significant problem, although the "labor shortage" does not need to be solved by millions more migrants. Wages should rise. They have been divorced from productivity gains and native population growth due to migration for way too long.

2020 saw very low inflation, almost deflation despite the stimulus. So 2021, looking at a two year average, is not that bad. If you remove used cars and houses, it wouldn't even be remarkable for the 1990s. It's just that people got used to a decade of low inflation due to the Great Recession.

Higher prices to get off China based supply chains would also be worth it.

>>19467313
We have 13% ifnlation by 70s standards and it's not getting any better because masses just want more free shit

>>19446990
>russia is going to invade the ukraine in like a few months
Please. It was worse in 2014.

>>19466602
We should have given women voting rights and not men.

Thank god we defetaed the nazis

>>19465959
Poverty in Africa has more to do with policy than foreign aid

>>19467839
That would be even worse

>>19468215
this baseless wall of text sure has convinced me

>>19468215
>implying we wouldnt live in a totalitarian dystopian hellscape if the nazis were in power with modern day tech

it'd be like china x10

>>19468448
>it'd be like china x10
Sounds better than what we have now

>>19468394
>baseless wall of text written by random online person BAD
>baseless wall of text written by CIA funded think tank contributor GOOD

>>19468462
who are you quoting?

>>19446807
>>19447706
Extremely based and escape the Jewish matrix pilled.

>>19447258
Please take down this VERY anti-Semitic post

>>19446687
Interesting how an Asian man wrote this book as the Asians are 1000 years ahead in the process of devolving into a hive organism of bugmen.

>>19447077
>What do you mean? 'The End of History?' is one of the most widely cited papers in international relations and political science as a whole, and Fukuyama was held in high esteem as one of the few predictors to the fall of the USSR and a leading figure in liberal internationalism, which only started to fall out of favour from ~2001-2003. He was hardly 'so laughed at' and his more contemporary work (Political Order series) is generally well received. He is still taught in introductory International Relations courses to this day.
you need to cut this out. i recognize your posts because you're the animeposter that takes political science really seriously. political science is just liberals of different colors yelling at each other, it isn't the omega serious intimidating field you're making it out to be. it's more embarrassing than the libertarians who treat economics this way desu. the peer review process functions more as gatekeeping than quality assurance
t. studied political theory

>>19447077
>It's bad philosophy, It's bad history, and it's bad political science.
Thank you Mr. Redditor.

>>19453930
Good post but geocentrism is correct tho. Heliocentrism is an autistic science nerd meme.

>>19446705
Full on bottom up political violence; complete disregard for self preservation in favor of murdering the murderers of history, and the breaking down of the systems they depend upon. True freedom comes in the heart of chaos, and the air is charged with it, we must not let there be a war of masses, break the chains of ideology and topple Babylon under the shadows of Rome. Jesus comes from the future-past to destroy AI and centralized interfaces- linking both the beginning and the end of reality leading to creation.

>>19465880
Excellent post and yeah that’s the biggest issue with his thesis. Liberalism will just develop into other stages or implement other social policies that the masses desire, even if they contradict liberal constitutionalism.

>>19465935
>A way forward probably involves more global forms of identity and socialism.

So... socialism with Chinese characteristics? Obviously that won’t work for anyone who isn’t Chinese. And the masses still desire democracy and individuality over national identity in Western states. If the system ever does actually develop it will just entail social democracy akin to Nordic states but on a larger scale. What the average American leftist actually desires isn’t authoritarian communism but liberalism with socialist characteristics. You get the basic frame of liberal constitutionalism, electoral democracy and civil rights but with expanded welfare and more public ownership of parts of the political economy. The most likely scenario however is that Liberalism will not substantially develop into this stage and will just go further into a rentier economy where the masses control nothing and are enslaved to technology yet we’re deceived that liberation is in our path because the system brands itself with more rainbow stickers and pronouns. That’s basically where we’re already at right now anyways and I don’t see it changing. In that case the “end of history” is really just an excruciating decadence; in that sense Fukuyama was wrong. But in the sense that the masses WANT to become The Last Men and are frustrated with our lack of development towards that goal, that is completely true and evident wherever you look. We’re fighting for a goal that will only bring us further into bondage even as we’re already in chains. This is the problem with our era in history.

Surprisingly great thread btw

>>19466038
Yes

>>19446687
His political order books are required reading if one is to understand what he meant by the end of history.

We live in such end of history. Even the autocrat regimes must keep a facade of democracy, the global understanding is that liberal progressive democracies are the most rightful form of government. Except Fukuyama was innocent when he wrote such books, probably ensnared by the wonders of western capitalism compared by the backwards tyranny of the Warsaw Pact nations and the South American juntas. He commited the grave mistake of the coercion to freedom which he would later rectify in his Political Order series, where he acknowledges not all people have the traditions required for a proper democracy and even concedes that many practices that are considered corruption in third world countries were just according to the local traditions.

Hence why he has to face the embarrassing consequences of the Arab Spring, which resulted in little to no change in one country (Tunisia) and collapse for all that remained. He acknowledges in Political Order that the institutions were not there, the traditions were not there and the values, although these authoritarian countries mimicked democracy, were also absent. What Fukuyama does not acknowledge is that this end of history is evil. We live under the same democracy that killed Socrates and Jesus Christ, the most dangerous regime in the world (much more dangerous than Putin's and Xi's autocracies), which destroys countries in the name of an impossible regime change and does crusades under the false belief of the regime's sanctity. Also in its name, this regime censors and oppresses people, destroys families and traditions that enabled it in the first place.

Read Rychard Legutzko 'The Demon in Democracy'.

>>19466174
>I think when a major American city is swallowed by the Atlantic Ocean, there will probably be a shift in attitudes.
Negro, that happens like every other year in New Orleans and Louisiana in general.

>>19466174
Climate change is false, nobody even cares about it anymore. The new paradigm is making up a virus and then changing the world order entirely in the name of scientific democracy.

>>19465848
>why would the so-called liberal countries be the most authoritarian when it comes to pandemic restrictions
They aren't.

I want to add to this and say that Liberalism’s crisis of legitimacy is also why the system is increasingly homogenizing people into a Monoculture mostly through social media. Selfhood can no longer be defined in the modern era and so liberalism‘s entire basis crumbles from there. In order to sustain itself it has to manufacture a sense of collective identity without sacrificing the basis of individual liberty that underpins all of liberalism. Essentially this is the reason why Progressivism is so widely supported by Western institutions and why identity politics have become so dominant. The LGBT for example is a vital organ of Liberalism because it successfully homogenizes people into a collective identity group while still maintaining the liberal ethos of hedonism and liberation. LGBT cannot be justified without a liberal ontology because most cultures would naturally disagree with sodomy and sexual fluidity as they destroy social functions like family and interpersonal relationships. In the West, family and interpersonal relationships have already been destroyed by the market, so Liberalism must legitimize itself by simply using the market to sell identities to people as decorative commodities.

So now we’re in this degenerate state of limbo where the masses have no actual definition of their lives outside of what they consume on social media, but the fact that everyone is molded by this market is what gives us a common culture. “Diversity” and “inclusion” are the sacred tenets of our age precisely because they make people less diverse and less unique; Liberalism is only absorbing the global population into itself and celebrating its own hegemony as heterogeneity as long as people are distracted by their skin color, sexuality or gender. The media monoculture and progressive ideology is just the next stage of Liberal Imperium. There is no greater tool of imperialism right now than the Internet.

>>19468628
I know the field well enough. Your reduction isn't even the major problem with it, which has more to do with bad research and methodological dogmatism than ideological corruption. Perfunctory application of unsuitable methods, attempting to square circles just to make them fit a regression analysis, poor conceptualisation of problems, etc. I think your perception of the field is warped by the fact that you studied 'political theory' rather than comparative politics or political institutions or voting or policy or any of the largely non-ideological sub-fields of political science. Political theory is just political philosophy with lower standards, and if it's practiced in liberal countries, of course it is going to be liberal dominated. The only other similarly rotten borough in political science i can think of is democratisation studies.
My point with the initial part of the post was to say that Fukuyama wasn't the subject of ridicule OP depicted, that is all. He was esteemed by his colleagues. It wasn't to present political science as an indefatigable pillar of academic rigour, or an 'omega serious intimidating field'. But i also don't think the field is irredeemable, and i think there is plenty of work within it which is of serious intellectual worth. And that as a broad approach, political science—taken by me to simply mean the descriptive, causal study of politics—produces valuable knowledge. I would sooner drop the 'science' moniker because it conjures a misleading parallel with the natural sciences, of which the field certainly is not, nor ought to be. But even this tepid opinion puts me at odds with most people here, who seem to loathe the discipline entirely.
So yes, i do take the field seriously, if not unreservedly. Beyond that admission, i'm not going to be apologetic about it either.

Not only does nothing happen, but nothing can happen. And worse, nothing good is created, and nothing good can be created. This is an enormous black pill that I’ve begun to feel deeply. Inwardly, I feel my own life to be absolutely worthless, with nothing worth doing, nowhere with going in all the world.

Good thread

>>19469090
Climate change is real and it is our salvation. The delicate global economy keeping Western liberalism, Chinese communism, and everything else alive will not survive the stresses global warming will place on it. And when the beast is dead, the little beasts which suckle on it will starve as well. Climate change is God's great gift to humanity; a way to escape the great calamity of techno-dystopia which we have been marching towards for 3 centuries. It is real and it is humanity's last hope.

>>19470431
Only if the climate gets so cold it selects against melanin-havers.

>>19470513
I don't care about race. White, Black, Asian, whatever, we are all going to die unless global warming takes out civilization before a strong AI is created.

>>19469756
>There is no greater tool of imperialism right now than the Internet.
The Great Firewall is not only an economic boon to China that supports the nurturing of domestic infant industries, but beneficial to its government as well for maintaining digital sovereignty. If other countries like Russia and Iran manage to replicate China's example in this sense (as they're discussing right now), I wonder if it'll lead to a cascade of internet "nationalizations" that balkanizes the global Internet into a collection of separate national bubbles.

>>19450322
No?

>>19469793
That's called depression, anon.

>>19470555
Nice, wrong on every point.

>>19470583
>I wonder if it'll lead to a cascade of internet "nationalizations" that balkanizes the global Internet into a collection of separate national bubbles.
One can only hope. Especially India.

The world is ahead of schedule to societal collapse around 2040.

>>19454182
>Syria is and always has been an irrelevant backwater desert shithole
the grand historical and geographic knowledge of the typical arrogant american

>>19461189
Start learning philosophy on your own. Listen to interesting podcasts. Follow interesting twitter accounts. Never stop questioning.

>>19470884
And? Maybe there’s good reason to be depressed.

>>19469047
>We live under the same democracy that killed Socrates and Jesus Christ, the most dangerous regime in the world (much more dangerous than Putin's and Xi's autocracies),
wot. Athenian Democracy (where Socrates was killed) and Roman suzerainty over Judea (where Jesus was killed) were two separate historical things

>>19466166
Good post for the most part, save
> State legislators overturning their own elections to give Trump EC delegates seems even more likely given that it was advocated in 2020 and states have passed laws explicitly to allow this.
>This would represent a major shift away from democracy.

It would represent a shift away from electoral democracy and one-man-one-vote principles, but not necessarily a shift away from the original meaning of democracy (which simply called for the people/demos to hold power, and when only a subset of people were needed, selection could be determined through sortition and not election - elections are essentially oligarchical and are not actually democratic).

>>19446687
This thread proves that /lit/ is just full of a bunch of sheltered suburbanites who use books as a means to escape their empty lives. You niggas really think that just because WW3 hasn't happened or the US hasn't become a dictatorship that time just stopped.

Put your books down and go touch grass, jfc.

>>19446687
Wasn't Fujiyama BTFO'd by Afghanistan?

>>19472704
Not really.

Political Order predicted some cultures just don't have the institutions and traditions for the progressive liberal democracy.

>>19466293
All critics of Hegel are braindead or outright reject reason. Hegel already completed philosophy.

>>19472626
This, Americans are such disgustingly narcissistic creatures

>>19472626
Pick your books up and learn to touch ink so you don't make a post as embarassing as this one again.

>>19473478
What is the difference between individual narcissism and collective narcissism? Or even abstract narcissism? That is to say, what isn't an instance of self-reflexive valuations?

>>19472704
Backsliding

>>19468224
It also has to do with average nigger intelligence and empathy

>>19475376
They were the ones making policy

>>19472626
You are ironically the one who doesn’t understand what’s being discussed here.

>>19452972
>governments
>letting decentralized crypto be currency and not just creating their own
foolish
current crypto will not be "real" currency for the same reason gold and silver was replaced. Not having control over the creation of money means you can't compete with a nation who does. ( "Control" in this instance includes the trust of people that you won't abuse the ability to create money to harm them)

>>19470513
>you know what would solve our current techno-dystopia problems?
>everyone except the people who created and perpetuating it dying
retard

>bump limit reached
see you on the other side

>>19447905
poor germans
what used to be such a strong nation...

>>19476072
hopefully the next thread about liberalism will be as good as this one instead of mainstream political culture war bullshit from people who don't understand the topic

>>19476573
Centring it around a book helps weed out the illiterate regards who only watch youtube videos