/lit/ - Literature

Seek refuge in techno-utopianism and life extensionism, praise Peter Thiel

The Denial of Death, though it's not better than the Bible but it may help you out. Kek.

>>19443318
kill yourself to get it over and done with. it's never good to postpone your duties.

>>19443318
start with the greeks. happy reading

>>19443318

The trick is to make your life so shitty that death is a relief, not a terror. I can write a book on that if you need it.

Two Arms and a Head

just read Plato, bro

Extinction and The Loser, Thomas Bernhard.

Beyond the Pleasure Principle

>>19443318
Honestly magic mushrooms at that point

Phaedo is what you need OP. It will make you realize that all of the hours you wasted thinking about death were stupid.

>>19443348
not op but please, write me that book.

>>19443318
Death is not the end, but a new beginning.

>>19443620
How do you know?

>>19443324
>>19443332
>>19443348
Death is your friend. Embrace it.

>>19443645
I got hypnotized and my past lives were revealed to me.

>>19443318
>Any books for dealing with the inevitable?
have children retard.Reproduction is literally nature's way of dealing with death.U never know if ur memories,or heck even ur consciousness could be brought back from ur descendants,using something similar to animus from assassin's creed
>>19443324
also this

Read the myth of Sisyphus anon. It’s kind of heavy at first but it becomes more pleasant and optimistic later. You can read it through a Christian lens too

>>19443318
It’s really depressing. To think that at some point your parents will die and your body will deteriorate is excruciating. I realized that I’ll never be as happy as when I was a child. This awareness of the situation and how progressive it gets is debilitating. We’re just like leaves in a tree, soon we’ll fall off and be replaced. This consciousness ruined our experience as species.

>>19443318
man and his symbols
moby dick
or you can go full weeb and think youre going into an isekai, LOTR
being humble about it also helps

I've found that in contemplation of death, we are shown how to live.
Death might be pain. So make friends with pain.
Death might be boring. So make friends with yourself.

That type of thing. Oddly enough, in death I found life.

Uh-oh, /sci/ jannies pruned the eternal recurrence thread. Why is everyone so afraid to talk about this? You thought hell was just a story?

>>19443318

>>19443318
Unironically the Bible. I don't, and I can't think of any point in my life when I did, fear death. A ridiculous notion, when True Life is a godly perfect state after death.

>>19444202
>just believe bullshit, man!

>>19444207
God bless you.

>>19444229
1 shekel has been deposited in your afterlife account

>>19443318
de brevitate vitae, seneca
helped me when my father died

“Hippocrates cured many illnesses—and then fell ill and
died. The Chaldaeans predicted the deaths of many others; in
due course their own hour arrived. Alexander, Pompey,
Caesar—who utterly destroyed so many cities, cut down so
many thousand foot and horse in battle—they too departed this life. Heraclitus often told us the world would end in fire.
But it was moisture that carried him off; he died smeared
with cowshit. Democritus was killed by ordinary vermin,
Socrates by the human kind.
And?
You boarded, you set sail, you’ve made the passage. Time
to disembark. If it’s for another life, well, there’s nowhere
without gods on that side either. If to nothingness, then you no
longer have to put up with pain and pleasure, or go on
dancing attendance on this battered crate, your body—so
much inferior to that which serves it.
One is mind and spirit, the other earth and garbage.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

>>19444235
Thanks, shame I won't see you there.

>>19444253
I'm one of the more decent people you'll ever converse with.
If I'm not there, then you're in the wrong place.

Unironically The Quran

Inevitable what? Inevitable what?

>>19443332
this is a good recommendation

>>19443318
ETERNAL REMINDER
>For to fear death, men, is in fact nothing other than to seem to be wise, but not to be so. For it is to seem to know what one does not know: no one knows whether death does not even happen to be the greatest of all goods for the human being; but people fear it as though they knew well that it is the greatest of evils. And how is this not that reproachable ignorance of supposing that one knows what one does not know? But I, men, am perhaps distinguished from the many human beings also here in this, and if I were to say that I am wiser than anyone in anything, it would be in this: that since I do not know sufficiently about the things in Hades,so also I suppose that I do not know. But I do know that it is bad and shameful to do injustice and to disobey one’s better, whether god or human being. So compared to the bad things which I know are bad, I will never fear or flee the things about which I do not know whether they even happen to be good.

/r/longevity
sens.org
alcor.org

>>19444235
>i-its da juice!

>>19443318

Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer (albeit he's a bit pessimistic), Nietzsche, Spinoza, Leibniz, Sartre

>>19443318
>we cannot conceive of what it is like to be dead
>what we cannot conceive of cannot exist
>there is life after death

>>19443318
Death is inevitable, bro. The flesh may end but the soul is eternal. You must seek the things from above in order to be prepared, for when the bridegroom cometh thou must have oil for thy lamp in order to stand in the light and welcome Him.

>>19444629
Second premise is laughably retarded

>>19444537
I assume when he said "God bless you" he was referring to the god of Abraham, yes.
Seems obvious.

>>19443318
The only book that's helped me understand death in relation to my own demise is Norm MacDonald's "memoir". I recently reread it while working this gruesome job that I have. Everyday I drive around and sample roadkill deer tissues for the state. Sometimes the deer are fresh, one deer was still alive when I found it. Other times they are long dead and I have to fight the maggots to get a tissue sample. I also collect samples from meat processors, where death is industrialized and the an animal can be processed in under five minutes. And most recently I participated in a depopulation, which is really just a fancy word for slaughter. We put deer in pens and shot them all. I saw a fawn bleeding to death. Injured deer killed with a bolt gun. Felt their bodies stiffen as I drug them into a mass grave. Norm's book helped me realized that when you're dead, that thing still here on this Earth is just a lump of matter that you used to inhabit. It's not you. I don't really know why this has helped me, but it has.

>>19443822
Enlighten me

>>19444157
redbull me on this book

>>19444425
>death is equally likely to be eternal pleasure as eternal torment
>it could be the former, so calm down
gay faggot nigger kike tier copypasta

>>19444441
didn't aubrey de grey get raped by sexual assault allegations?
so much for establishing a new medical paradigm as a sex offender

>>19445179
Just a little mind twister when the problem of induction meets human substantiation.

I know at least once this bullshit happened for sure. Given infinite time, limitless configurations, there aren't any special laws to prevent it from occurring again, in fact its probable. Not a copy, but this subjectivity I'm using right now. This may not be the first or last go round, and that's troubling for all sorts of reasons.

This isn't cope because I don't like it, but it remains a possibility I think all materialists should consider.

>>19443422
This

>>19445241
I would say torment is more likely because we're more often in negative valence states, and they're much easier to reach.

For a positive valence state one must work. For a negative, fall forward in your chair.

>die
>sensing of passing time stops
>billions of years can pass but only living beings sense time
>so after death you will live as something else right away

>>19445311
to add to that, i'd say eternity is only tolerable if the experience of it is itself, infinitely variable. for example, heaven as defined by the book of revelations, for example, would be just as hellish over trillions of years as the hell below, no? with enough time to observe every atom of the place and plenty to spare after that, after having discussed everything possible in an afterlife overcrowded by aborted fetuses with nothing to discuss, after committing to memory every possible angle of god's beard or what the fuck ever, the only difference between you and those marked by the beasts would be you not being physically on fire.

maybe disembodied souls independent of time itself are ignorant to the very concept of boredom, but obviously it's impossible to consider eternity as anything but a 'mere mortal'.

>>19445382
>heaven as defined by the book of revelations, for example, would be just as hellish over trillions of years as the hell below, no?
Yes. You understand the problem.

>obviously it's impossible to consider eternity as anything but a 'mere mortal'.
And the solution, apparently. My main point I rage against is the certainty of nothingness.

There's a misconception that a materialist atheist by definition must believe in nothing following death. As we've shown, its not that simple. That community lacks imagination. These are just the possibilities we've come up with on monkey hardware. It may very well be nothing, but I would never accept that on faith as most atheists do.

I'm agnostic towards the afterlife.
My personal belief, if anything its going to be fucking bonkers.

>>19443667
>U never know if ur memories,or heck even ur consciousness could be brought back from ur descendants,using something similar to animus from assassin's creed
that is a terrible reason to have children, and you are a retarded >>>/v/irgin

>>19445345
But how is it "you"? What is it that's going to rearrange itself into a new life form, with you at the driver's seat once again? There's nothing that guarantees that any future life will have some sort of conscious connection with the previous life form. Or, rather; it's not like new life forms have to draw upon a reusable, latent sea of consciousness, that you collapsed into.

>>19445425
Not him, but I look at like end states of repeatable patterns butting up against the next likely configuration. If brain meat like mine forms again in a boltzmann brain or simulation, we don't know enough to say if experience can continue in a sort of "next possible" state.

Its got the transporter problem, swamp man, ship of theseus, all sorts of shit what really draws from modern identity problems. There's so much we don't understand in the ever-present "now."

One thing I think is easy to infer is that such a state would be pretty fucking alien.

The Philokalia

>>19445425
I dont think there will be a connection.

>>19443318
I, too, remember when I was in my early 20’s

>>19443318
no books, but these few things have helped me process death

>do you remember non-existence before you were born? death will be the same

>watching someone or something die--not in a traumatic gore porn way, but just watching the life leave their eyes and be at peace. I watched one of my childhood dogs die in my arms

>doing hallucinogens in a place where all you can hear is the wind shaking the trees. I realized how my being is just one part of this huge whole that is nature and so really we all live forever through a web of living things we contribute to

I hear Denial of Death and The Worm at the Core are good books on death and its influences though

>>19445402
as for me, i'm just as clueless about the mystery of consciousness. any serious contemplation into it, i feel as worthless as a shoe trying to tie itself. it's hard to describe this feeling exactly, but the futility of such thought must be relatable.

when it comes to the afterlife, however:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return
>[...] the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is nonzero. If space and time are infinite, then it follows logically that our existence must recur an infinite number of times.

out of it making some logical sense, and being thoroughly terrified of both hell, heaven, and a void, i believe that death serves as an amnesiac, and the aforementioned 'infinite variation' is from our consciousnesses taking shape and dissolving indefinitely, like waves in an ocean. from this, you can conclude that you are the only consciousness in the universe, maybe going so far as to say you, yourself are the universe. and after being alone for this long, it definitely feels like it

accusations of materialism, in my experience, often are from the likes of LARPing 'tradcaths'. god what faggots. 'there are gaps in the pedigree of literally every organism that has and had ever lived, therefore talking snakes'. that isn't to say there isn't something divine and immaterial involved, but to revert to yiddish schizopheric desert tales is fucking gay. i understand where they're coming from and that if we were to structure ourselves like a medieval hivemind, that would be an objective improvement over rampaging arabic and african hordes, but reducing all metaphysics to such mindless handwaving in the process?

(Seconding) The Denial of Death, it really gave me peace.
The Last Messiah, it gave me tools to cope.

I was once like you anon. I woke up and went to sleep thinking about death. My life was paralyzed and wrecked because of it. I couldn't focus on anything at all, nothing gave me joy, everything felt like a tragic struggle that ended in the realization of the worst fear.
And it's all true anon, it's all true.
The only advice I can give you is to accept it. Tuck it in a dark corner of your mind and keep it there.
It won't go away, never. But it will lose its grip on your life.
Maybe later you'll find a reason to live, like an ideology or cause to die for, a religion, a family. Deep down you will know its all a lie, its all theatrics, but it wont matter because beyond what you choose to focus your life on there is nothing but a world of death and agony that only ends with oblivion.
Good luck anon, I hope you can come out of this with a better understanding of what it truly means to be alive and what a blessing it is to live this moment... because something really ugly waits at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVljKISj-MY

>>19445542
I'm clueless as well, but I keep possibilities open because its all I know.
To hard rule-out anything as a monkey stuck in the system is presumptuous.

As for christcucks, they absolutely poison the whole conversation. By my own philosophy they could be right on, but their platitudes are at best unwelcome and at worst, anti-helpful.

>>19445564
>could
that's the million-dollar word. as contrived as dismissing theological hypotheses of creation and the structure of the universe are as 'unfalsifiable' (recall russell's teapot and the like surmised by early 2010s amazing atheist clones), it's a cliche for a reason. the only difference between abrahamic religions and hypothetical celestial tableware is how the former was able to organize civilizations by dividing humanity into royality/peasantry caste systems and shutting down oppositions to the system with horror stories of eternal torment, leading to the industrial revolution and the resultant hellscape we subsist in today.
and from this hellscape is a desire to escape, so religion makes a comeback not as a memetic civilization engineer, but as a pacifier.

>One day you'll receive the worst news of your life
>One day something in your body will start hurting and wont go away
>One day you'll wake in a hospital bed that you'll never leave
>One day you'll experience excruciating pain
>One day you'll experience the loss of everything you love and cherish
>One day you'll really have to tighten the noose, pull the trigger, jump into nothingness
>One day you'll have your last normal day
And then you cease to exist.
Forever.

>>19445611
>And then you cease to exist.
Proof?

>>19445611
No, sometimes you'll be in a factory and then a machine will twirl your body around at 1000 rpms.

>>19445636
Statistically, twelve people in this thread will die in a lathe.

>>19445627
Give me something that is not a fucking cope.
I'm convinced by drugs, mental retardation/changes caused by accidents or substances (that one story of the guy who lost a part of his brain, survived and became someone completely different) and the r*ddit vision of the world that everything that happens in the brain is chemicals, that there really is no soul and this is the only life we get.
And if you don't cease to exist, does that really sound like a good time to you? I have a hard time believing in heaven or a loving god or anything like that. If life is going to continue, it could be just as bad if not worse. Look at what this world produces, what this universe produces, and tell me you'd feel good knowing that "something" will happen to you after you die. I wouldn't feel good about that.

>>19445636
If you live where I live, you could get kidnapped, held for ransom, and tortured until your family pays an exorbitant amount of money. And even then, they'll still kill you anyway.
After cutting off your fingers, raping you, pulling your teeth, psychologically torturing you, setting you on fire.
>tfw you CAN go to hell before dying
There is no fucking god.

>>19445663
I dunno man, God told some fucker to cut off 800 dicks one time.

>>19445636
brutal watching those

>>19443318
Urn Burial by Thomas Browne

>>19445650
>If life is going to continue, it could be just as bad if not worse.
That's what I believe as well, which is why my belief is not a "cope."
To me, nothingness would be fucking ideal.

My thoughts are >>19445295
But really I just don't know. I just worry that if you wait long enough you see yourself again, which to a consciousness would pass like an instant.

>>19444237
thx anon, i'm going through the same and it's been hell

>>19443318
Buddhism personally has helped me massively with this view on the world. Anything by the 14th Dalai Lama or even just the original Buddha’s discourses could be good.

>>19443318
Spinoza and Nietzsche

>>19443318
Like Colonel Kurtz’s philosophy, death is either your friend and or an enemy to fear