/lit/ - Literature

>>19431769
transition. I have GD too, you're just going to end up roping or transitioning at 40 or 50. Sorry you have to go through that, see a therapist too if u can. & stop going to /lgbt/

>>19431804
I am not going to do that and honest to God I haven't been on /lgbt/ in months. I just need a book that can help me fix my brain

>>19431828
Ok, I'll give you some recs then:
War and Peace
Anna Karenina
Moby Dick
The Iliad
The Count of Monte Cristo

Take care.

>>19431769
Some unwarranted advice: don't forget to do some other manly things, beside indulging in manly books. But good for you on not wanting to hate yourself. It can sure seem like the reasonable thing to do sometimes.

>>19431769
Do something that’ll help you feel good about yourself, like working out or plant a garden. Being a “man”, is subjective. You can’t base your level of being a man on how loud your car is or how much pussy you’ve gotten, those are all material things. You need to dig deep within yourself and find your own definition of a man. Prove it to yourself. I’m struggling with something similar rn anon, I hope you see your way out in a comfy way.

narcissus & goldmund
ill pray for you

>>19431940
I agree for the most part. Being physical will help to balance out the chemicals or hormones in his body to help him feel good about himself, if that happens to be his problem. But he appears to be also having a hard time blocking some of his thoughts going towards the anima, because contemporary society is driving this, all around the world. There is a universal man. Or objective man. I agree, that the things you mentioned are subjective and a social construct from a particular culture, but that doesn't mean there isn't manly things. Perhaps he's right on wanting to find to a hero in a book that will help guide him to being the man he wants to be. Maybe he needs to find it in the real world. But if he was able to make his own definition, he would. He's perhaps to out of balance to do that at this point time and he would just be coping or creating a distraction from his self-hatred that will still remain. He needs to grow. And don't encourage him to accept what he has become, that he is saying he doesn't want to be anymore.

Why would you want to be confortable?

>>19432471
You should be comfortable in your own body dipshit, if you're not, you have a mental problem.

>>19431940
I don't have any interest in sleeping with women and I don't care about cars other than having something that takes me from A to B without killing me. I exercise enough to keep myself in somewhat okay physical condition, and lately I've been learning how to cook/bake. Is that any good?

>>19431828
can i ask you something? do you feel like you have acquired GD through these anti-masculinity sentiments of society?

>>19432695
No, I am perfectly comfortable going against society in other ways. I think I am just a weird person and that maybe I was socialized in an odd manner growing up

>>19432687
It's not unlikely that your physical needs are being met, and you need to maintain that while working on the mental aspect as you first pondered.

>>19431769
iliad
odyssey

>>19432816
Read them in high school, it never really did anything for me beyond being cool cause it's so old
>>19432471
Why shouldn't I want to be comfortable
>>19431904
What if I don't like manly things?

>>19431769
I don't get it, why would it be a punishment? Would you rather be a woman? Or a feminine man?

>>19432695
not that anon but I also struggle with GD although it's gotten a bit better recently
No I do not really think so although I think that if society had a more traditional sex roles instead of this bs I would think about it less cause every time people talk about it or I see like half-naked girls in the park it kinda brings it back for me but if I lived in like 19th century England I do not think I would think about it much if I am in a good mood.

>>19431804
>>19431769
Don't bother transitioing, I lived like that for like 4 years and I was actually lucky enough to actually look and be treated like a girl but it did not help as much as I had hoped, it just made me insecure about other things, in the end detransing improved my mental healthy by quite a lot. But yes definitely if possible cut of all this shit from your life that reminds you of it. I stopped reading the news (outside of, like, local happenings) and I started avoiding the very liberal parts of my city and honestly I feel much much better.

>>19433177
>>19431769
>>19431828
Some more personal advice:
Stop listening to people telling you what to do to become more manly. I mean sure you would become more manly, but I seriously doubt you would like it. I know it did shit to me, I have gained a modest amount of muscle and I just kind of miss having a twink slim body to be honest. What they tell you works for normal men but not for us. That does not really mean you should go out of your way to do feminine things though, cause in my experience they in the end just triggered the "still a man" feeling. If you are willing to go the extra mile, what truly worked for me was kind of becoming more distant from others. I used to be very dependent on others in pretty much every regard but now I am mostly by myself and only use other people when I need something or want to kill some time. I honestly enjoy it that way and desu when I start to spend too much time with *certain* people and they just start talking about sex and shit I always just feel bad and want to leave, but I also want to keep up appearance. If you have any other questions then feel free to ask me

>>19433252
you sound like a faggot

>>19433225
I already am a feminine man, but yes I think I would probably be happier if I were a woman.

>>19433252
Yeah I think that the advice they give to normal guys in situations like this are no good for guys like us, our brains and thought patterns aren't exactly normal. I don't want to isolate though, I really like to be around people. I'd like to keep talking to you, are you on discord?

>>19433312
>are you on discord?
So the meme of the discord trannies is real after all, huh.

>>19433326
it's all true

>>19433312
yes but I am not posting it here, give me yours

>>19433348
Fuck I don't wanna post mine either. See ya around I guess

>>19431769
>What are some books to read that will make me be more comfortable with masculinity? I've always viewed being a man like a punishment but I really can't go through life like this.

>>19433354
just post it and change your name after I add you, I would do the same except I have some irl people on discord that actually browse 4chan and am too paranoid over this shit

>>19433377
sane and normal#6089 ping me once you get me

>>19431769
12 Rules for life and How to make friends and influence people

>>19431769
SEX AND CHARACTER
THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
THE NEW TESTAMENT
STAGES ON LIFE'S WAY
SOREN KIERKEGAARD'S JOURNALS AND PAPERS/NOTEBOOKS
THE GOSPEL OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA
THE DHAMMAPADA
THE ZEN TEACHING OF HUANG PO
POISON FOR THE HEART
THE COMPLETE MYSTICAL WORKS OF MEISTER ECKHART
THE TAO TE CHING
THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA
THE ATTACK UPON CHRISTENDOM
THE BHAGAVAD GITA
THE DIALOGUES OF PLATO
ZHUANGZI
MULAMADHYAMAKAKARIKA
UEBER DIE LEZTEN DINGE
CEREBUS
THE HEART SUTRA

this threads making me realise i don't really have any problems.

OP, othello is a play about men being tragic animals

OP read Darryl.

>>19433252
Why did you have GD? Where do you think it comes from? It seems like there's been an explosion in young people having gender identity crises over the past decade.

>>19433312
Why do you think you'd be happier as a woman? Are you gay? I hope you get better, OP.

>>19433252
>when I start to spend too much time with *certain* people and they just start talking about sex and shit I always just feel bad and want to leave, but I also want to keep up appearance.
A lot of people don't like that stuff. Nothing unmasculine about it. Many men would object to such talk in the past. I'm a reactionary and I don't like those conversations either. Making sexual jokes is fine but actually discussing your sex life? That's weird. Maybe not to normies, but it is to me.

>>19431769
take your pills alice

>>19434209
Why would you encourage someone to be trans? It will likely ruin their life. They will become infertile and their body will be all fucked up. Every trans person I've ever interacted with hates themself and I'm a leftist so I've talked to lots of them. My best guess is that you guys just have some sort of depraved corruption fetish. Maybe some of you think you're helping them. Maybe some of you just tell yourselves that.

Deep down i feel sorry for you mentally ill freaks. Being male is just being superior in every way imaginable. And another thing, being a male is just being born with a penis. It doesnt mather if you are feminine or masculine, these are just societal constructions that mean nothing at the end. Tldr: you will never be a woman

OP I don't really get what your issue is but if you're gay or trans or whatever I'd say just knock it off. I'm not sure a book is really going to help fix this, you need to do some soul searching and understand the purpose and role of a male.

I had a good buddy who thought he was gay for a number of years. He used to hit up dudes on Grindr and whatever. Kind of a submissive, nonconfrontational type. Anyway he suddenly bagged this really pretty girlfriend and poof, suddenly he was straight again. Embarrassed to discuss his past and all. He's happier now and I'm thrilled for him.

I had this other friend, an ex, who messaged me one day saying she was trans and never felt right in her body and etc etc. I just told her to knock it off and think things over a bit. She blew a fuse and sent me some crazy vitriol, but just a couple weeks ago she apologized and was totally embarrassed about the whole thing.

Stop listening to internet perverts and freaks. You'll be a lot happier.

>>19434270
How does someone just stop being gay? Has your friend explained how he fixed himself? I've also sometimes wondered if gays are just addicted to prostate orgasms and not actually attracted to men but I also am skeptical of whether or not prostate orgasms are a real thing so idk. Trans people are mostly just victims of a media craze and other mental illnesses.

>>19434176
Yes I am attracted to men. I think my life would be better if I were a woman because a lot of my personality traits, interests, and behaviors would be more acceptable coming from a woman than a man.

>>19434262
I wish I could think like you but I can't. No matter what I do it's just a punishment almost to be male.

>>19433368
What?

>>19434327
Why are you attracted to men? Are you sure you're attracted to men and not just addicted to prostate orgasms? Are you attracted to women too?

>>19434368
I don't like butt stuff, my sexual attraction is basically platonic. I don't feel attraction to women

>>19434379
That is good but potentially damages my pet theory on why gay people are so gay. Have you really never felt attraction to a woman? Maybe you have low T. You could ask a doctor. Are you in good health? If your attraction is basically platonic, that sounds more like friendship than homosexuality or bisexuality.

>>19433326
What is the deal with this? How did discord become a home for transfolx?

>>19434313
I never asked him about it.

>>19434229
nice larp bro

>>19431769
Just become more comfortable. It's easy. Just stop being uncomfortable.

>>19434270
How does one just knock it off? What if one understands the purpose of a male and hates it and doesn't want to do it?

I'm in a similar position as you but there is one type of masculinity I love
I love the meaningless, self destructive, pathetic, isolated, bitter, angry, suicidal and violent type of masculinity, the kind that's not about men bantering with people, fighting with people, being sexually confident, having meaningful work and providing for a family or indulging in masculine hedonism but the kind that fantasises about murdering those who insulted and humiliated them, about resentment, about throwing ones life away out of spite for the world, the kind that fantasises about dying in a fire or dying in a war i.e incels
Mishima, Travis Bickle and the character in Notes from Underground are my heroes
Seeing masculine men talking about casually wanting to fuck girls and how sexy x girl is or them shouting and getting angry scares me but my special incel kind of masculinity makes me feel fulfilled
Of course I sometimes get upset and wish that I had been born as a girl but that's impossible and what's done is done, there's no point crying over it even if sometimes it's unavoidable

>>19435891
You seem different from me because to me all violence is off-putting, whether it be heroic righteous violence or darker, more nihilistic violence. Either way it is just something I have no real desire to engage in or any capacity for.

>>19435918
Well in my case the only violence I have any desire or capacity to engage in is violence against myself

Bump

posting in a gay thread

>>19431804
This is what grooming looks like, people.

>>19431845
>thinking the Iliad gives a better male ideal than Odyssey
>in 2021
anon, I...

>>19433177
>Why shouldn't I want to be comfortable
It's a womanly thing.

>>19438357
I thought we already established that being feminine is fine by me

>>19434453
It's a good platform for grooming and manipulating the mentally ill, lonely, and easily suggestible.