/lit/ - Literature

ya there were like all those indie bands from brooklyn in the 2000s

>>19420797
Drake and josh

>>19420797
>have actually millennials produced any quality culture? I don’t just mean literature but art, music, movies, etc.
yes
> Only things I can think of from that generation that are of any value are 4chan greentexts and YouTube channels like Jontron and filthy frank.
oh, youre stupid.

>>19420806
Examples?

Culture has stopped, it stopped after the 60s anon. You only just noticed? The 70s was a desperate attempt to rekindle it but that fell flat.

>>19420830
Bullshit, what about ELP’s Tarkus and Can’s Future Days? What about Gravity’s Rainbow?

>>19420801
based but that was made by gen xers

>>19420855
80s and 90s stuff

What you don't understand is that every generation has the same cast of characters.

>>19420830
Gen X had some stuff at least. Millennials have literally nothing to their name.
>>19420800
That were shit.
>>19420806
Post some examples so we can laugh at you.

>>19420892
Honestly I think Bo Burnham sums up the millennial artistic zeitgeist perfectly for better or worse. You have a handful of forgettable rappers and industry plants in the music scene. Late 2000s and early 2010 had the indie boom. Something unique to gen x and millennials is one man video game projects. Retards will argue video games are not art, but they are a creative effort and there are many solo millennial game devs. No memorable millennial actors or actresses to speak of, just flavor of the month garbage. To an extent the silence is a product of lacking opportunity, but if the gen x crowd running the show and putting out garbage television and movies all simultaneously died and millennials took over the transition would be imperceptible. I don't perceive any radical perspective differences that X producers aren't giving air time to. Millennials do have the unique phenomenon of internet celebrities and increasingly always online personalities. No other generation has as many on screen recorded hours of interaction with the "celebrities" of their generation.

>>19420972
I think you might be right, though I very much dislike him I’ll grant that as just a matter of personal taste. Tbh I think the whole vibe of millennials that was strong in the early 2010s is a large part of what drove me to edgy shit like 4chan. I’m having trouble coming up with the words to define it but there’s something very gross about it. In highschool I would be induced with vomit worthy reactions Katy perry or some upper middle class white guy talking like a nigger. The whole fucking indie folk thing was the worst though. It was an appeal to authenticity that was inherently inauthentic. Maybe that’s it. There’s just nothing to any of it, just a fake bubble gum pop sheen covering up dogshit. White guys pretending their black because they have no genuine masculine of their own to emulate, bullshit celeb and e-celeb glowing, a black guy being president means race no longer exists, pretend authentic music covering up the blatant inauthenticity of people’s lives.

>>19421076
*following

>>19420797
>I don’t just mean literature but art, music, movies, etc.
Consumer thrash entertainment is not culture. Get a life.

>>19420797
No, nothing good will ever be made by a millennial.

The internet and social media are saturated with art by millenials.

>>19421131
>quality

>>19420797
my gf is an artist and she's pretty nice. so that's one at least

>>19421137
Post bobs and vagene

>>19420852
>ELP’s Tarkus
Lmao

>>19420972
>>19421076
I remember reading/hearing somewhere that one of the major differences between working as an artist of some sort in, say, the 60s versus today was that you were more free (time/energy-wise) to dedicate yourself to the actual day-to-day process of banging your head against wall until something good came of it. Whereas nowadays, a band or writer or whatever, will have to be much more directly involved in the promotion of their material. Think of all the needless hours of interviews, appearances on TV, YT channels, the expectation of pouring hours into the socials. It's basically a given that now if you want to "make it" then you're gonna have to work on your online presence, your "brand," to some degree. Back in the day, 1) there were people whose jobs were doing this sort of shit so that artists didn't have to spend the majority of their time being their own hypeman; 2) the demand was so much less for "content" than it is now.
I think you two are on to something in that the energy that used to go into art has now been partially redirected into stoking "engagement" with one's rabid consoooomer base via IG, Twitter, &c. The art now is less in the formal quality of the work and more in the signalling of a sort of false community between artist and consoomer.

>>19421403
Basically, it's cheaper for publishers and the like to outsource their marketing efforts to "content creators" themselves and cut out the middleman. This is a necessary evil for maintaining a commercially viable cultural operation anno domini because the internet so completely fucked up the boomer cultural marketplace, and still nobody has a real answer as to how to run a business making art in the wake of Napster, et al.
The likes of Spotify are propped up either by retard-tier VC-types who throw money at even the most intolerable grifters (see also: Musk), desperate legacy businesses (i.e.: labels) trying to get in with the new school despite being deathly afraid of it, or the likes of FAGMANdem who can afford to run a failing business model for a few years for the purposes of reeling in a nice monopoly in a few years time.

>>19421408
The actual value you can expect to secure yourself as an artist is also a pittance as compared with the Good Old Days. Sure, the Boomers will spin you a yarn about “back in my day we didn’t have shit!” but tactically ignore being the most materially prosperous generation; a modestly successful artist in decades gone by could expect a reasonable living in a way that is unthinkable now. It’s not unheard of for festival-headlining, world famous bands to be composed of musicians who still work part-time and are eyeball deep in debt financing their records. The desire on the part of the financiers of the cultural world to hoard cash like a cartoon dragon and fuck over working artists, along with the infinite supply of labour (i.e.: everybody and their mother is an aspiring something or other-- btw check out my Soundcloud) guarantees minimal compensation for the dummies still buying into this system. So they double down trying to drive that “engagement.”

>>19421416
For the most part, “It’s the economy, stupid.” But that said, we’re also living through an unprecedented epidemic of loneliness. Everybody’s seen those sorts of articles talking about the record number of adults who claim not to have even a single friend, and being where we are, many of us feel this firsthand. This is the other side to that abstraction of the work of art into the false community that I was talking about above. It’s not just effectively shitty working conditions (although that is a large factor). But I think there is also an increased demand for this sort of “content” because so many people are so desperate for a sense of belonging that they (if I’m being honest I should say: we) will take what they can get. The artist is the art, always has been. But now, that thing being expressed reflects a growing alienation (not in the Marxist sense, in the feeling like a stranger among people you know sense) among the masses; it finds its expression more directly in the mutual reaching of strangers towards each other, asymptotic, never touching. Art sucks now cuz life does.
Apologies for my extended, old man yells at cloud, Schizorambling. My life feels like a slow motion mess and I have nothing better to do than sit here, shitposting and perspiring/expiring.

>>19421232
What’s so funny? Tarkus is a masterpiece.

>>19421425
I liked it anon :)

>>19420797
What are we expected to produce at this moment? Gen x still hasn't had a president yet and it may skip over them entirely. Every field which reached a decent level of maturity for gen x (music, film etc) has completely become corporatized and over-saturated and banal either way. Idk if we technically made meme but by that metric we're already head and shoulders over every generation until Silent.

>>19421821
When you’re young/middle aged

Lil

Lil B *

>>19420892
>Post some examples so we can laugh at you
That's the problem with you guys, it's a foregone conclusion that all the art your generation has produced is bad, except for whatever stupid shit you latched onto as a teenager (Jontron, filthy frank, etc)

>>19420797
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Attack on Titan
Gravity Falls
Steins;Gate

But only the tumult of time will show their worth. Personally, I think they are a good piece of art worth watching. The biggest issue is that they need rely on forms other than mere writing in order to open-up their worlds.