/lit/ - Literature

The Genealogy of Morals by Frederich Nietzsche

you're free now. congratulations.

>>19373990
The Church's guilt? It's _your_ guilt, you just don't want to do what needs to be done to improve yourself.
Don't blame God for your shortcomings.

>>19373990
Engels. Family, Private Property and the State
Lenin in England
Solidarity (UK) As we see it / as we don’t see it.

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Cicero, Sextus Empiricus, Stirner, Nietszche, Gide

>>19374013
Catholic Church =/= God

>>19373990
People who always talk about how Christianity sodomized them and they were forced to feel shameful and so on are the most self-pitying bitches, neither Christianity nor Nietzsche wants someone as weak and insincere as you.

>the church had its way with me! I couldn't control it, I was brainwashed!

>>19373990
The novelization of Halo.

>>19374051
extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

>>19373990
Literally the Bible my man.

>>19374054
For some reason it's only the Irish and northeastern/midwestern Amerimutts who seem to feel this way.

You're also right in that every atheist philosopher (ESPECIALLY Nietzsche) would probably harbor relentless contempt for such people.

>>19373990
You should read about the arguments against an eternal hell (even if you’re wrong, you will be saved eventually). Also read Buddhist texts and see the similarities in Jesus’ teachings and reinterpret the Bible. Watch Frank Yang on youtube

>>19374041
How can one post be so based?

> The Catholic Church turns another person into an athiest
Many such cases. Read the Bible and become a real Christian.

>>19374054
I hate James Joyce as well

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

>>19373990
Wait Until Spring, Bandiini?

>>19373990
The Bible

>>19374054
Based, OP is a faggot

>>19374970
OP here I am/was Irish Catholic.
Oh shit, oh fuck.

>>19374024
Read an excerpt from Amazon, this is unironically schizo

>>19374982
>Read the Bible
Og trilogy or the sequels?

>>19373990
Revolt Against the Modern World

>>19373990
Begome Orthodox

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>>19374970
>what kind of weakling is developmentally affected by things done to them at a very young age

>>19375697
Didn't find it skitzo at all. Personally I found it to be concise, sincere and quite poetic. Basically it's the reflections of American man during the great depression who has become at odds with his faith and turns to Nietzsche's works as inspiration for the transcendental ideal within America itself.

>>19376180
Oh and it's completely free to check out on archive.org

>>19373990
Its gonna be tough bros. No more carnival and dodgeball on Church ground. No more wife material pussy pool guarantee. No more comforting lies. No more infallible answers.

You gotta learn how to love the grind and know what to grind towards.

For me it's Spinoza's panentheism and George Bernard Shaw's Don Juan in Hell. All this and more is covered succinctly by St Pierce and St Rockwell of Europa. Gott think of a better title for the Tulpa Avatars of Dissent.

>>19373990
Now you can master ate guilt free congratulations

>>19376180
I would have someone lile William Gayley Simpson be my ordained minister for a PostChristian European wedding.

>>19375871
That book is super hard. Ride The Tiger is super easy.

Rats in the Sacristy, Llewelyn Powys
for other ways of seeing the world

>>19374054
You're proof there's nothing warm in those God forsaking kike worshipping drafty slabs of shame.
>>19376051
This. They slice your dick and tell your leaders to preach pacifism to enemies who multiply endlessly near and abroad while getting away with pilfering treasury pussy amd bussy. How a garb can fool you is beyond me. How you never wise up to the scam is beyond me. You never thought about any action worth a damn. You just strode in with a thoughtless head ready to soak up bible and as much joojoocum as can be ladled up.

>>19377437
Just shut the fuck up.

>>19377482
You first, kike worshipper

>>19377479
Yeah you sound like a weak piece of fucking shit, Catholics who arent absolute cowards or niggers are empowered by their faith. OP is a fucking jewish shill or a nigger.

>>19374002
And the antichrist. Read Hollingdale's or Kaufmann's translations and remember that the goal is to distill love until its pure of what nietzsche calls "slave morality" or "jewish hatred" (pity, virtue signaling, guilt) until you're overflowing with happiness and power. Don't listen to anybody who tells you Nietzsche is a proto-nazi or an advocate of cruelty for its own sake.

>>19377485
Alright keyboard warrior internet tough guy how many pedophiles have you murdered? How many murder plans has your Church openly conspired to? What pedophile killing military force has you Church donated to? What pedophile killing literally martially significant act of standing up for your flesh and blood has your blabbering tongue NPCs ever put forth to a political party or promise to a wife and kids? None. You're a castrated little lamb that will get kicked over by stronger children who want the future you neglected or sadistic bolsheviks who sold you your chains.

>>19377498
didnt read, fucking heathen cunt.

>>19377485
Jesus is coming back any day now. Im sure all your best friends are eating fish and bread up in heaven singing a hymn of the songs they plagiarized from India

>>19377501
runs from criticism like a coward
kek. your god should be ashamed of you

>>19377514
No he wouldnt

>>19374002
>The Genealogy of Morals by Frederich Nietzsche
That's right goy, wallow in ethnic self-hatred and coom your worries away.

>>19377518
Then your god's values are shitty and theyre not worthy of worship.
Your hymns are platitudes to the gaping void where you feed your moral virtues to avoid constructive struggle.

>>19373990
>finally walking away from the church and it’s guilt
t. Another victim of modernity who doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions. Don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of gnostic/neo-pagan faggots who will welcome you into their circle jerk.

>>19377543
bla bla bla bla bla, ill pray for you

>>19377543
What's this about gaping?

>>19373990
This picture reminded me of when I used to play Halo CE multiplayer with my cousin everyday when we were kids. Life was so simple then...

>>19377543
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/life-rune
Let us sing praises to our constructive srruggle!

>>19375871
Evola was a freemason.
>>19377457
>PostChristian
>European
Pick one.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/holy-family/index.htm

>>19377498
Pagans on the internet vs. pagans in real life.

>>19377568
looks cool to me

>>19375321
I'm Catholic and at least know that what you're trying to articulate is shit that Catholics in other parts of the world don't
really experience. I don't know if this is because of Cromwell or the potato famine or something but Catholics in Portugal or the Philippines or wherever don't really feel bad about this kinda shit.

>>19377562
Wow we should go RIGHT BACK to the parasitic pharisees who corroded our group cohesion! Mask up! Booster shots! Let's just pretend we never learned anything about evolution or economics hahaha.

>>19373990
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The entire notion of "Catholic Guilt" is a Jewish psyop meant to pathologize the notion of personal responsibility and replace it with collective class guilt. That's why so many ex-Catholics turn into simping SJW faggots, like Louis CK or Bill Burr constantly bowing to niggers. The difference is that Catholics can get absolution, but white guilt is permanent.

>>19377577
>looks cool to me

Imagine being so obsessed you make this r/atheism tier blogpost. Lmao

>>19377578
Its unironically the heavy influence from todays elites that makes faggy ass americans and other western countries feel bad about their Catholic faith. Why? Because the Catholic faith wants you to be good.

>>19373990
And what’s guilt? You said “and it’s guilt”. The feeling of walking away from the church is guilt? The church is guilt? That would be a weird way to put it. What is the guilt?

>>19377586
>Wow we should go RIGHT BACK to the parasitic pharisees who corroded our group cohesion!
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>>19377552
All those late Christian names for the rune are ridiculous.
Also a funny story to the two finger peace sign. The whole movement was turned to a psyops after MLK (if not during)

>>19377550
https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloOnline/wiki/index/download
have a high-end gaming PC though

>>19377568
Do you think I call myself a "pagan"? No. Classic. Hellenic. Vedic. ProtoIndoEuropean inspired. Pythagorean. "Pagan" is the Christ cuck's way of affeminate scoffing towards a man of independent substance just like a used up whore calling a moral father and husband an "incel". Yeah like the negro taking up "nigger" in persecuted ironic stride I walk it off. That's why we say based around here.

>>19373990
If you haven't already, you should watch some of Christopher Hitchen's debates/lectures. He absolutely nails why you will live a more free, more dignified, fuller life without the mind-forged manacles of religion that the church would have you wear. The concept of an all powerful, authoritarian father figure judging and ruling over you for infinity is an incredibly infantilizing concept. Once you cast it off, you can begin to truly grow up and become an adult, become a man.

>>19377598
How many of those women and children can articulate the political and financial consequences of openly calling for what freely speaking Anons almost unanimously call for?

>finally you have cast off the shackles of mental servitude and weakness, you are ready to be a truth seeking ubermensch like me who doesnt need fairy tales

>>19377607
>Classic. Hellenic. Vedic.
You follow a religion of queers and pajeets because Christianity is too demanding for you.
>>19377616
>Christopher Hitchins
Yes, the marxist jew has your best interests at heart, goy.

>>19377616
t. anime forum browser who hasnt outgrown the hitchens phase

>>19377598
Hey look, that religious ideology whose central figure's central message is "love thy neighbor" produces people who have a more negative view of their neighbors! I guess the meek will have to wait a little longer to inherit the Earth while the Christians have any say about it!

>>19377607
Holy FUCK, this has to be one of the fucking gayest most redditnigger faggot images ive ever seen. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH

>>19377632
If Christianity isnt true, then why would this matter. It just means Christians form a better stronger in preference for their group. You fucking stupid marxist kike stooge.

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>>19377627
fucking meds. now

>>19377632
Your "neighbor" is someone of your group who shares your values and identity, retard.

>>19377626
Marxism is based and the Catholic Church literally harbors pedophile rapists from the law and places them where they can continue raping children. "You will know them by their fruits" indeed.
>>19377627
Never watched anime and it seems you can't even address what Hitchens had to say, sad.

>>19373990
Read "Degenerate Moderns" by E. Michael Jones and realize that your negative feelings against the church have been engineered to isolate you from your ethnic and spiritual heritage and form you into a rootless consoomer.

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>>19377663
Nobody gives a fuck about what Hitchens had to say lmfao.

>>19377642
>People should believe things that aren't true
The current state of this forum

>>19377666
Read the Alex Linder Audiobook on learningcollege.com

>>19377657
Ah yes, there wouldn't be any stories about a person of one group, lets just randomly say a Samaritan helping someone of a different group and identity. Nope, Jesus never said anything like that!

>>19377663
Played your hand too soon, Moshe.

>>19377685
He never said all the Samaritans should just move in.

>>19377634
Your character is shown for what it is. You are disgusting and unpleasant. That is why you have to have a kike force people to forgive you for your routine and chronic lowly manner. I do not. Jesus loves you. He loves you just like this. Belligerent and affeminate. I dont love you. But Jesus loves you most when you're like this shitting where you eat.

>>19377657
Bro, literally read your bible. Jesus is directly asked "who is my neighbor" and Jesus tells the parable of the Good Samaritan which basically outlines how any person in need is your neighbor.

>>19377691
>Moving the goalposts
So you now admit those outside your group and identity actually are your neighbors and you have some obligation to help them, as outlined in your own religion? Progress!

>>19374054
you understimate how powerful the church can be because you live in an extremely secular society

>>19377642
A group of emasculated liars, better yet surrounded by universal unconditional love and fairy tale platitudes is easy to manipulate and disperse.

>>19377666
>Oh no, people aren't donating to our church coffers any more, let's tell them they need us for their ethnic heritage, that'll get the donations flowing again!
Okay, now it's just getting sad for you guys

>>19377604
that looks nice but the game itself isn't as important. It's that my cousin and I aren't 10 years old kids anymore, so it doesn't feel the same way. I can't get myself invested in a game now as I did then if that makes sense

>>19377704
You.. have no fucking clue.. what you are talking about. hahahahahah

>>19377657
Friend, where did you hear this? What process led you to conclude that your neighbor is only in your in-group, when Jesus explicitly says that your neighbor is anyone in need. You should examine the process which led you to believing the opposite of what Jesus taught.

>>19373990
There are several options available to you.
The Holy Bible, King James Version (read it with sola scriptura in mind)
The Dhammapada
The Holy Qur'an
The Hidden Words
Witchcraft Today
Ethics of Spinoza

>>19377744
Jesus is explicitly for destroying the ingroup preference which is why strong team India and strong team China execute Christians immediately

>>19377722
Secularism has done nothing but destroy European ethnicity.

>>19377760
China and India are controlled by Jews India especially is a globohomo colony.

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>>19374013
This. I can at least respect the people who left the Church because they think the Church is guilty and God will judge them. But running from the Church because you feel guilty isn't going to stop you feeling guilty. Leading a life that you can feel less guilt over is about all you can do for that.

>>19373990
The Age of Reason - Thomas Paine
The Future of an Illusion - Sigmund Freud
Why I am Not a Christian - Bertrand Russell
God is not Great - Christopher Hitchens
Meditations - Marcus Aurelius
The Art of Living - Epictetus

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>>19377773
You two should discuss

>>19377782
Who isn't?
The Jew worshippers?
I'd rather be a Jew slave without fairy tales. At least I would have smart fellow Jew slaves as company instead of idiots trying to blabber miracles in tongues.

>>19377811
You think chinks and pajeets are smart?

>>19377799
>Hitchens, Freud

>>19377798
I think the church instills too extreme a degree of guilt. Some people have a life-long anxiety over hellfire because of what was taught to them as children, some a life-long guilt over jerking off. Now, it's true that if you jerk off too much it can have a negative impact on your life, but seeing as like 90% of males do it from time to time, causing everyone to feel guilty about it is counterproductive. It's like Muslims feeling guilty over drinking alcohol, sure you can drink to excess which is harmful, but drinking on special occasions if fine and shouldn't cause guilt. It's amazing how people will just reinforce their own colloquial beliefs instead of actually examining whether they ultimately lead to harm or not. In any case, guilt isn't a very good mechanism for keeping people living good lives.

>>19377700
No, "neighbor" in Biblical context is used exclusively to those of the ingroup.

>>19377827
You are aware that Jesus was a jew, right?

>>19377830
Both masturbation and alcohol-drinking are severely harmful to one's spiritual state. You would know this if you weren't a bugman materialist anon

>>19377836
Behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read it?"

He answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself."

He said to him, "You have answered correctly. Do this, and you will live."

But he, desiring to justify himself, asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbor?"
—Luke 10:25–29, World English Bible

Jesus replies with a story:

Jesus answered, "A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side. In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he travelled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the host, and said to him, 'Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.' Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?"

Literally read your bible, for God's sake!

He said, "He who showed mercy on him."

Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."
—Luke 10:30–37, World English Bible

>>19377830
>Church bad because I want to coom.

>>19377842
>alcohol-drinking are severely harmful to one's spiritual state
Ah, so that's why drinking wine in communion is harmful? Thanks!

>>19377830
>Some people have a life-long anxiety over hellfire
That's actually not doctrine. Everyone burns in purgatory.
>guilt over jerking off
You have way too much time on your hands in every sense.
This isn't even good Catholic guilt. Frankly, it sounds a little Protestant guilt.

>>19377839
"Jews" did not exist until centuries after the gospels.

>>19377853
Maximum cope, lol

>>19377857
Not an argument

>>19377733
Christ was the introduction of individualism. Atheists have existed way longer than the dumb Torah which started the whole shitshow.

>>19377830
>I don't want to feel guilty about this bad thing that I enjoy so the church should ease off

>>19377809
I assume we have been
>>19377773
Secularism was escaping the hostage situation towards a power vacuum. In this disorder the communists bankrolled in. Europeans in desperation were coerced into another coercion. Unlike in China or India where they have thousands of years of pre established philosophical and spiritual doctrine. The Chinese had the 100 schools of Thought where Buddhism, Daoism, Confucianism, and other minor thought leaders discussed in the same semiotic capital vehicle as the Church does but with none of the appeals to the dumbest most desperate masses. No. The Buddha spoke to Rishis and Seekers and Brahamans. Confucius spoke to managers, Mandarins, and land lords and patriarchs. The Daoist spoke to merchants and meditators. Christ speaks to all as if we are his asexual slave. In India and China violent conflict has happened but never at the scale and relentless nature seen in the Western Holy Wars. The Chinese value reading and lounging so much they would rather read than fight any warlord's war for anything more than a plasant meal or evening. You will never see a Chinese fight a holy war or argue like a Protestant and Catholic. They are too smart for their own cynicism. The inwardly retreating contemplative character of the Easterner will never be appreciated by the coffee chugging outwardly scrutinizing Westerner. (Save for the eggheads who excoriate the West and wish for a better Western Civilization)

>>19377850
>Ah, so that's why drinking wine in communion is harmful? Thanks!
Yes.

>>19377872
>100 schools of Thought
I really hope this isn't a misrepresentation to the 100 flowers bloom campaign, because that was just a way to kill people.

>>19377820
Yes. Average IQ of East Asians is too damn high to swindle easily. I dont think Santa Claus caught on over there like the heart breaking revelation in America. Hindus have the Vedas the greatest academic achievement in man's history. The Rishi Astrologers are the gurus that JP Morgan spoke of, "Millionaires do not study astrology. BILLIONAIRES do."
Indians have the highest incomes in the USA. I wish they read Rich Dad Poor Dad and learned tax evasion like real American aristocrats.

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>Sexuality bad
The religious stereotypes really are true! Do you guys only have sex in the missionary position for the express and sole purpose of procreation? Ha, who am I kidding, you guys are virgins (unless the priest got to you already!)

>>19377883
That must have been lost in translation with my chink youtube binge.
However this guy has been givin me based tips on how this is a usual occurrence. Asia is wild.

>>19377890
And now they shit in the street and rape monkeys.

>>19377830
>Some people have a life-long anxiety over hellfire because of what was taught to them as children, some a life-long guilt over jerking off
>Catholic guilt
Are you sure you're talking about the right church? Catholic guilt is a very different thing.

>>19377906
Never been to catechism?

>>19377892
>More kike pilpul

>>19377922
>Every thing I don't like is somehow Jewish
Amazing

>>19377936
You are literally using a Jewish argument against Catholic morality. The people behind the sexual revolution were jewish.

>>19377900
It was a Maoist campaign and kind of Machiavellian genius: they let everyone talk about what reforms they would like. Then they killed everyone who had failed to implement the reforms in advance of the campaign and everyone who suggested reforms in the campaign. It was a way to get rid of corruption and unpopular policy and politicians, but also to get rid of complainers.

There is something closer to the idea with how Japan acts too: they say people are born Shinto, marry Christian, die Buddhist. It's because the ceremonies appealed to people so they just shift religion to have the applicable costume and customs. That kind of magpie faith exists in Western religions too. Mexican cartel men praying to drug dealer saints and asking to be possessed by protective spirits also believe they are fully Catholic.

>>19377945
Repressing your sexuality is not healthy. Integrating it, including it while transcending it is healthy. I am against promiscuity, which I view as a negative extreme, but I also view the prudishness of religion as a negative extreme which leads to repression and perversion. You are the one constantly bringing up the Jews.

>>19377956
>Repressing your sexuality is not healthy
The narrative of sexual repression is another Jewish subversive invention. Liberalizing sexuality has had disasters consequences for society that were avoided because of religious "prudishness".

>>19377914
I have. I'm also in a majority Catholic country. Catechism is taught in schools here. You get time off school to be quizzed by the bishop. I don't think that anon is Catholic if that is the shit he is guilty over. Unless he means the life long guilt over jerking off because it reminds you of being molested as a child, but I think he means the idea of being guilty just because you touched yourself.

>>19377902
You shit on the street because you cannot afford a toilet.
I shit on the street because I hate America.
We are not the same.

>>19377964
Yes, you've shown that you are in favor of authoritarianism in the realm of sexuality, yet you seem to think any questioning of that is "Jewish subversion". I have already agreed that there are dangers involved in sexual promiscuity, yet you seem unaware or unwilling to admit of the dangers of extreme restrictions on sexuality.

>>19377982
>extreme restrictions on sexuality.
Is this how you describe western sexual morality before the 60's?

>>19377964
A mediocre lukewarm happy middle between sucking niggerdick in public and every fertile womb displayed on OnlyFans and between New England Witch burning has to exist. I propse Secular Islamic bitch slapping and booty spanking Beanerism. Women dancing but Women lose status for cheating. The Tamale supply will not be low so we won't end up like Britain. Wow thank GOD Stacy cooked us a nice hot power point presentation about Jesus OR Human Resources! I was going to star- start thinking politically incorrect thoughts at work!

>>19377998
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

>>19378013
Women allowed to display themselves as objects of lust while the public at large is not allowed to forget that all women are whores, but the public at large conspires against women that would spend welfare money that enables whores. If women simply had to face the financial realities they cause with liberalism in their own wallet and household they would strategize to be maternal. Women themselves would be the policing force driving out whoredoms from the homeland they are staked in and held in account for. Notice I didn't say responsible, account. Women are greedy, not moral.

That's an easy one. 'Guilty' automatically implies the possibility of 'not guilty'. If you think you're to blame for everything, simply ask yourself in which case you're certainly not to blame

>>19378046
Ceteris Paribus aside this assumes a general trend of women being moral assets not moral hazards like they were in the Prohibition Era. Even though that was a Rockefeller scam to crush Henry Ford, that is besides the point. At some point Women would not be enticed by offers to debase themselves but actively repulsed. They would still allow themselves to beautify their form to the fullest extent just with strong feedback against literally any standard of vulgarity truly internalized. Without the defeats and disease vector, this is what would be going on. This is true because this is what happened before things got as bad as they are now.

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Holy fuck, this is like incel Francis E. Dec

>>19378084
Buy supermale vitality now

>>19377955
Christians in America are Magpie Christians. Denominations? Might as well argue about which McDonald's you bought your Big Mac at.
That's what I want: Born animist, marry Christian, die Buddhist.
It's genius really. Japs are the world's most civilized, most based, most admirable team left standing.

>>19377545
>christianity
>taking responsibility

Pick ONE and only ONE.

>>19378118
>Christians in America are Magpie Christians. Denominations? Might as well argue about which McDonald's you bought your Big Mac
I heard American churches give snacks after services and people choose their religion based on who served the most pastry. Is this true, or am I being memed about burgers?

>>19378118
Well I started a new religion. It's called plagiarizing Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_-59f9mgfM
Hinduism + German Idealism + Medieval Chivalry + Japanese Engrish + GAMERS = Cultural Victory for the coming millenia

>>19377461
It depends. If you come from a philosophical background sure, but Ride the Tiger assumes you're very familiar with Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre etc. I came from a mythological/historical perspective instead so Revolt was much easier to grasp for me. I posted that because of the perspective.
>>19377562
>Evola was a freemason.
He wasn't, one of his disagreements with Guenon was that Evola thought all masonry was corrupted.

>>19378137
I assure you that is true.
Some have dodgeball and hot dog stands and
ferris wheels. Missionaries do the same treats and always overstate how faithful the "converted" are (just how much free shit they give away).

Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

>>19378193
Can you recommend something not written by CIA assets?

>>19377830
>the church
>anxiety over hellfire
>guilt over jerking off
Catholic here. If you had brought up eating pork on fast days or something your comparison to Islam would make more sense. If you're afraid of burning in hell because you fapped, I don't know what's wrong with you. Fapping is never going to be anyone's greatest regret. Catholic guilt is much bigger than that, and it's a much deeper existential guilt than fapping. It's more like the post-nut clarity and regret, except over every time you chose to be a worse person. Anon must not have thought very deeply about himself if he only regrets fapping. He, like all of us, probably own several devices that are the product of slave labor and child mining in Africa for rare minerals, and thought playing vidya was worth paying for all those abductions and deaths and bone breaking grind. He has much more to be worried about than fapping.

>>19378153
>Some have dodgeball and hot dog stands and
>ferris wheels.
So, I'm being memed?

>>19378195
Actually, the CIA asset recruitment program was controlled by the Soviets. RAW was unironically working for Khrushchev.

>>19378201
>reasons I am not a Christian
why, God, must I feel so utterly ashamed of myself for my mere humanity

>>19378215
You know what you've done.

>>19378214
Rachel, did they cancel your show?

>>19378220
this board should be a refuge from the tepid and tedious ideas of the herd (or the hive)
yet out of your chrysalis you have emerged
that foul cocoon disgorging, through mucus membranes torn apart by mandibles and chitinous limbs
locust-like, yet somehow worse
gay colours a cover for something evil and unseen
this fly, this insect
and there it sits, among a vile and viscous slime
collapsed to the ground
sodden wings feebly fluttering, buffeted this way and that by the social breeze
no independent mind within
no mind at all
but a behaviourist's black box
algorithmic and determined
perfectly predictable
and so you crawl, emerging from the filth of your birth
up a mouldering and poorly-plastered wall
stuck to the side, watching and waiting
for the moment most opportune
when, with the obstinacy of a parasite
you launch yourself
limbs spread-eagled in ungainly flight
a drunken and wavering meander
across the room, through chattered cries and diesel fumes
before alighting on a thread
your proboscis extends, penetrates with some insipid post
passes on some infectious, deleterious disease
until finally
at long last
you leave.

>>19378226
>butterfly poetry is still a thing
Nice.

>>19378226
based, stupid fucing cunt is seething

>>19378214
https://youtu.be/f0krkHRBaVI?t=18
>>19378226
https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE?t=132

>>19378212
You need photos but the photos at best will show a gathering near a church not at a church. What country are you from that isnt being spoiled by Church?

>>19378315
I'm a europoor. There are cakes and things to eat at big festivals like Easter or Christmas, but normally because there's parades and markets, not in a church. Are they like that but just all year around? I thought it was like they give you coffee and a cake for coming to service, not like a market.

>>19378354
They are this way on holidays or when some obtusely political fundraiser celebration like having built a school in the Philippines.

You’ll be back.

>>19374054
Tf are you on about. It's just a reality that if you grew up in a really religious, and specifically Catholic, family you will have all sorts of thought patterns ingrained into you. And yes, shame because the Catholic church much more than other christian churches emphasizes shame, repentance, confession etc. Op is trying to walk away from that to get better. Nothing weak about that.

>>19378369
For money

>>19373990
>guilt
for what?

>>19378372
The Catholic church emphasizes not confessing shit you don't feel guilty for. The Nietzsche fag is pretty on point.
Those thought patterns are ingrained, but one of the deeply ingrained ones is that confessing when you feel no natural guilt is a very big sin. That's why kids freak out over their first confession.

>>19377955
https://youtu.be/0MKMgBh4CMI

>>19378427
>fear, guilt, and judgement are the trinity of tools used by the catholic church
During my first confession at 12 I was basically told to find some shit that was not there to feel guilty about.

>>19378444
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

>>19378465
The only weird thing about that is that you weren't seven.

>>19378474
Divorced parents, spent the first decade of my life in a normal generic christian church before being thrown to the wolves of the universal church

>>19378483
>he got bullied for being Protestant
Yeah, that's not Catholic guilt. That's like if you're black and learn Japanese and move to Japan and get called a nigger- they're not bullying you for learning Japanese.

>>19378494
No one cared about me being Protestant, the priests cared that I didn't buy into their system of abuse and control

>>19378499
>I kept trying to force my Protestant mindset onto the Church
Well, good luck with that.

>>19378502
Seems to have work pretty well since the Protestant Reformation? The catholics keep bleeding numbers and grabbing ass

>>19378499
>No one cared about me being Protestant, the priests cared that I didn't buy into their system of abuse and control
If you're >>19377830 I called it here >>19377851

>>19378518
Wasn't me. Protestant guilt you can just drop off the check to the pastor and be freed
>b-b-buh catholic indulgences...

>>19378506
...anon, I think you want to Google some stats.

>>19378521
Or drop your kid off at the camp to stop touching pen0r

>>19378465
Not to worry, there are several anons in this thread ready to tell you that doesn't happen in the Catholic church and you're just making it all up.

>>19373990
OP here. Want to clarify that there is a lot of parts of Catholic theology I enjoy and find strength in but overall my experiences with a variety of my local Catholic Churches, the present global organization, and what has been listed in the Catechism hasn't been enough for me. I have step away for now, maybe I'll return. Its all another day on the Path.
I won't go into specifics but I don't think Vatican II went in the right direction and I don't think the Protestant churches have either. I still believe in the Logos. The thing about elder organizations is that they tend to get bloated or corrupt whether it be kingdoms, corporations, or churches eventually...

I wanted to make this statement to BTFO all the r/atheism folk that showed up.

Anyways keep reading and stay thirsty anons, the Water of Life is yours you only have to drink from it.

>>19378540
Having a first confession at 12 Def isn't Catholic? Unless it's Orthodox?

>>19378465
I had a smilar experience
>God will JUDGE YOU
>Ok guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there
>IF YOU JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR WORKS THEN GOD WILL JUDGE YOU
>I love trying what can I say? Terms are acceptable.
>BUT BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU
>Like I said terms are acceptable
>NO YOU MUSNT ACCEPT THOSE TERMS (repeat for 15 minutes of exhaustion and every Sunday and year after that for 4 years until I graduate and get hired out of state)

>>19378540
>>19378548
Disregard, read >>19378483 and saw anon is Protestant

>>19378541
>r/atheism
Oh c'mon we didn't even bust out the epicurean just the
Yeah whatever OP
You'll cave to peer pressure.

>>19378561
Peer pressure is mostly neo-pagan/esoteric/witchcraft/abracadabra bullshit these days from my neck of the woods. The athiesm push was early 2010s I felt like?
Its all a cycle, the hard times have only just begun and people will begin flocking back to the churches. Things will get good again and GOD IS A SCAM THE DEVIL IS OUR FRIEND SLKAFHDKSFJJSKDJL

>>19378541
Ah yes the Logos. Maybe you can camp out at Owen Benjamin's ranch for a flat earth conference and find your self some flat earth pusi. Then shelter your family and consume product.

>>19378578
Only if Luke Smith can come and I can attempt to teach Catholic theology from a KJV.

>>19378575
>God is a scam the devil is our friend
Hegelian dialectic is a timeless trick. Best you can do is be naturepilled and perennial. A man against the times in all times but stronger every season.

The demonic fleshvessel system is already in its dysgenic experimentation stage, and there are still Judaized, and/or "Protestantized", idiots who believe that they need to "recover from what the Catholic church has done to them".

It really makes the substance spin.

>>19378541
>local Catholic Churches
I'm lapsed and I see what the other anons claiming Protestant larping are getting at.

>>19378863
I don't think Protestants realize there are shibboleths like that.

Good job OP, now go join an Orthodox Church

>>19373990
The Holy Bible.

>>19378578
whats he doing these days anyway

>>19377956
Christianity is not in any way anti sex. It's anti fornication, and anti homosexuality. Read the Song of Songs, the Song of Solomon.
Physical love between a man and woman in wedlock is one of the most beautiful things God gifted us with. Fornication and "free love" are a pale imitation

>>19374041
>Gide
Why should he read a French pedophile?

>>19379132
>Fornication and "free love" are a pale imitation
How so? The act itself is identical

>>19373990
Why not belive in God without fear? Like, geniuely be aware you're gonna burn in hell, but still beliving? Why do you want to turn into an apostate so bad? Remember that God is actually real, and why you belived in the first place

>>19379212
Not him, but part of Catholicism you might have heard of is
>Sex makes babies
Sex for Catholics is supposed to be an act of faith that they can create another Catholic, so they're judging sexual partners as potential mates rather than potential sex without any further consequences. For Catholics, the goal is children, while the other two usually have a shorter term goal. Basically the quality of trust is different. In the free love scenario you're probably trusting them with your body, but in the Catholic love scenario it's more like one of those melodrama scenes where one parent is telling the other it doesn't matter the first parent is dying of cancer because they know the second parent will be a good one.

>>19375697
>>19376180
>"What I am about to say is not intended for everybody. I warn you: it is intended only for those who have ears for it. For others I would say something very different - possibly the direct opposite. And so, if you do not like what I say, if you find it uninteresting, or in part unintelligible, or offensive, or if, having heard my words, you are one who can forget them, then do not let yourself be overmuch disturbed by them. Do forget them. You are certainly not one of those to whom I am speaking. I am really speaking only to those who have ears for what I have to say - who have, as it seems to me, a rare kind of ear for a rare kind of music."
This is from the Amazon description of the book, and if the fucking back cover is sounding this schizo I can barely imagine what it's actually like. Or if not schizo at the very least pseudo-deep transcendental gobbledygook.

>>19377587
I don't think it's a jew thing because jews have their own "jewish guilt" complex that's basically the same thing.

The fact that "catholic guilt" only really exists in America and Ireland--places historically intertwined with Protestant-vs-Catholic sectarianism--leads me to believe that it was a WASP psyop to shame Catholics for not adhering to "Protestant work ethic" i.e. jewy proto-capitalism.

>>19377545
You've been brainwashed by Abrahamic religion retard. Greek and pagan gods are made in the image of man - in both admirable traits and deplorable ones. Your dogma tells you that you're made in the image of God. Read Sexual Personae. Paglia's feminism is not globohomo tier.

>>19377649
All me btw

>>19373990
You'll regret this.

>>19377498
bolsheviks? they committed genocide against Christians in russia, basically in retaliation for christians persecuting them for millennia.

>>19377830
>Anon compares jerking off with alcoholism
>That's still not enough for the tradlarps on this board
Holy shit, feels good to be an atheist.

>>19381404
Yes. Instead of fighting. What would the fighter be up against? Whiny Christians and whiny bolsheviks both spouting the same demilitarizing demoralizing foul sermons. There is no way to fight for a Christian country. Your Christian country will fight only the one who fights to save because death bag holding is the pacifistic salvation and meek lamb character they want. There is direct pipeline from the spiritual AIDS of (((Christ))) to spiritual syphilis of (((Marx))).
The Children's bread is not for dogs.

>>19379692
That's literally the opening quote of the text. The whole thing is less than 100 pages, it has two pages of reference material; including alot of poetry so there's no surprise there. Just spend like 2 hours reading it for free online, Jesus Christ I hate zoomers.

>>19381428
i-is that an ass?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, HELP ME JESUSMAN, I'M SINNING

>>19382322
Go to confession

>>19383460
I am incapable of trusting anyone but the Lord so prayers will have to suffice.

>>19373990
Congratulations my good sir!

Might I suggest one of the fine films from the Marvel Cinematic Universe? I'm rather partial to the most recent Avengers.

>>19383559
That's sounds like a good night out, you can take those altarboys you raped along to make up for it

What has the Catholic Church done to you?

I feel like most people feel alot of shame/guilt/nuerosis and it's an evolutionary adaptation and not the Catholic Church that caused it, only gave it a direction and articulation.

>>19383559
I kek'd.

>>19377692
>A mass-made statue of a government official with a broken nose.
How terrible. This sort of things was always done in antiquity to the cultural representations of people from deposed factions. For example statues of Casarion after Augustus had him murdered. You can find such artifacts lying on the bottom of the Mediterranean or various rivers by the boatload.

>>19377830
>life-long guilt over jerking off
As it should be. Cooming makes you a low T whiny faggot. Which you clearly are. Hey, presto.

>>19383825
>feel shame and guilt because you get raised by retarded narcissictic parents who happened to be christian
>evolutionary adaptation
lmao yeah blame everything on evolution

>>19373990
Anything by Seraphim Rose

>>19375014
He was a cuck.

>>19378578
You're being an absolute faggot ngl

200 posts in and there's still no actual articulation of what Catholicism "does" that's bad other than jerking off and priests half a century ago touching teenagers at a rate almost as high as public school teachers today.

>>19385790
It's not bad, it's because of a severe misunderstanding that people have about their traumas and they're too blindsided to see that bad parenting is the cause of most psychological issues we see in people today. The guilt and shame OP feels stems from his parents who filled him with odium from a very young age.

>>19385790
Whenever you see these kinds of posts from cradle catholics like op talking about trauma/abuse/guilt/"what the church did to me," it always ends up being extremely common experiences that a lot people have growing up except with a catholic veneer, and they just assume it was that. As if everyone else's parents were congratulating their kids for their first coom while op was having first communion or some shit.

read homer. i had to drop the catholic larp and get back to the beginning before the sickness set in to men's minds.

i started watching online masses since the beginning of the pandemic, until one day cardinal dolan read the story where jesus tricks some guy into giving away all his money with the camel through the eye of the needle story and i was just done. that ended it for me.

>>19374024
>reading someone called GAYly

>>19377892
>maturbating is the end all be all of sexuality

>>19378372
Oh yeah so every person raised Catholic has some sort of 'trauma' from being taught moral shame, ohh cultural traditions are so painful ahhhhhhhhh!

For a healthy Catholic family, guilt should be a moral imperative for self betterment. And for most people it is.

>>19377479
Unless you were literally sodomized, IF you were literally sodomized you shouldn't blame Catholicism, you're being a whiny bitch and disguising your self-pitying complexes as sincere criticisms of a religious tradition.

Circumcision may not be good, but almost everyone gets along fine with it, and you're no better than an r/atheist for rejecting Christianity on the grounds of homosexuality and corruption pervading the church.

>dude the entire religion is just a con for le elite class i'm not even gonna bother with the religion itself

>>19385558
>blames his shitty parents on the church
Grow the fuck up.

>>19386388
>just a con for le elite class
this is the part that always gets me because the actual elites seem to viciously fucking despise Catholicism.

>>19386390
Yeah yeah grow up and wonder why half the board have been depressed, filled with anxiety, and ill fitted since they were little kids. Clearly an evolutionary advantage, nature made you a socially stunded retard who can't get laid.

>>19386451
>half the board have been depressed, filled with anxiety, and ill fitted since they were little kids
nice projection nigga.

>>19386451
Yeah, Christianity totally did this.

>>19386453
Hit a nerve?
>>19386542
Never said it was Christianity's fault, said it was the parents fault.

>>19373990
You should be feeling guilt.
Man is fallen and we live in sin.

Do not buy into the modern idea that it is society that makes man evil. It is the great french lie that has been adopted by all evil-mongers of the modern age.

We are sinners, and we should seek the divine.

>>19386388
Books on the topic: The Kosher Pig
Adam Green lists more books.

You've been soberly BTFO in measured and sincere sentiment. And now I will deliver the final blow with all Old Testament authority now that your scam has run its course, bagholder.
https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/KosherJesus:9

>>19385785
I am not your friend

>>19373990
>guilt
ive never understood this meme
is it it guilt over doing things you know are wrong?
why is the solution running away from the people who call you out on it?

the "guilt" argument has always been a retarded excuse that only makes its user look retarded and lazy and degenerate
why do people use it?

>>19373990
>Books to help me recover from what the Catholic Church has done to me?

>>19387007
>don't buy into modern ideas
>buy into my ancient cult instead

>>19375826
Old testament and gospels is all you need

do midwits really stress out over going to hell?
there's no bigger Christian in a 10 km radius than me and never once in my life have I worried about ending up in hell
If I end up there its because I probably did something I shouldn't have; why stress out over divine justice?
Christianity is pretty much just be a good spiritually clean person, why overcomplicate it?

>>19373990
50 shades of grey

>>19388810
>there's no bigger Christian in a 10 km radius than me
How many times a month do you work at a foodbank?

>>19388810
>Christianity is pretty much just be a good spiritually clean person, why overcomplicate it?
t.episcopalian

>>19375871
I could have sufficiently expressed the same ideas with a fraction of the writing. Nothing here seemed enlightening.

>>19388810
hahahhahahahahahhahahaaahhaha
oh my sweet summer child. Idiot.

you really think god cares?
yhrtr1s noooo afterelife for you.

>>19388810
You are a midwit. The concern isn't that you'll end up there, it's that anyone is there. God is supposedly Just and Merciful, yet he deems an infinite punishment fit for finite crimes, crimes which we now know could be the result of any number of malfunctions in a person's brain which can lead to poor impulse control of violence. The whole concept itself is rotten, not just whether it will effect you personally you myopic, self absorbed, sociopath.

>>19385972
It's not a cradle Catholic. There's cradle Catholics all up in the thread telling the people who care about cooming that it's a Protestant concern, and that Catholic guilt hits different. And it looks like most of the anons concerned about it did convert in from Protestants. Catholic feeling clean doesn't happen like Protestants have feeling clean. If you look at how the two cleanse themselves it makes sense. Most Protestants have second/third/however many baptisms to reaffirm their walk, while Catholics have confession once a week if they think they slipped. Protestant clean requires almost becoming a new being, so that time you came is on you til you get reborn through baptism. But Catholics don't have that kind of rebirth except in really extreme circumstances, and don't think metanoia is common. One emphasizes faith washing you clean, while the other emphasizes regret. For Catholic seeing yourself as clean would be a kind of pride after a confession, while, for Protestants, not seeing yourself as immaculately clean following a profession of faith would be seen as a lack of faith.

>>19389301
I think this is a good take. Weekly guilt is a more powerful and efficient tool for social control than constant rebirth.
Every Protestant thinks they're the phoenix.

>>19388810
>there's no bigger Christian in a 10 km radius than me

>>19390255
I thought that part was pretty cute too, kek. Wonder if anon is just exaggerating or if he's being quite serious.

>>19388805
Based anon.

>>19374013
>everything good done by the church is God's will
>everything bad is someone else's fault, probably your own if it affects you
Literal cult mentality.

What a crapshoot thread. Hate how /pol/ hijacks every thread with their retarded racial resentments.

>>19377846
Yes.

>>19377851
>This isn't even good Catholic guilt.
Idk I was raised devout Catholic and heard about the evils of masturbation on multiple occasions . Even heard my parents talking about losing respect for a public figure when they admitted to masturbating. So definitely a thing.

>>19377906
No it’s definitely like that at least where I am from
T. former midwestern Catholic (u.s)

>>19388810
I honestly should be more worried about hell than I probably am. I jerk off (even though I've been getting better at that this year), take the lord's name in vain, look down on others relentlessly and arguably blaspheme all fucking day. If I were to spontaneously die this instant I think it's practically a coin-flip as to if I'd end up in hell or purgatory.

>>19378201
It’s not the only component but it’s definitely part of Catholic guilt. Or it can be for some people.

>>19391563
>it means multiple different things for multiple different people it doesn't really matter as long as the takeaway is religion bad

>>19378427
>is that confessing when you feel no natural guilt is a very big sin
I’ve never heard this and I’m pretty sure you made it up. Or it’s some cope you’re parents told you to make you feel less guilty. A sin remains a sin no matter your feelings on it. At least that’s what I was taught. But honestly who knows Catholicism is such a massive global religion at this point it might be different from place to place.

>>19385972
>As if everyone else's parents were congratulating their kids for their first coom
Of course not but religious parents take it to a different level. It’s not usually abusive or traumatic, but that doesn’t make it good the level of guilt a lot of religion creates in people.

>>19391572
You’re being a dishonest faggot and you know it. I didn’t even say anything about religion being bad. Catholicism has billions of followers so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some variation in how it gets taught in different regions.

>>19386373
Never said it’s “trauma” chill. Doesn’t mean it’s a good way to look at things.

>>19373990
Gnostic, Hermetic, and Platonic texts.
Also Pythagorean.